Maybe this means they'll finally deliver a non-buggy app suite. I think Motorola has been suffering because of the quality of their software.
Wrong. Motorola makes unholy crappy hardware AND software. The WinMo based Motorola Q is a perfect example of what not to do. It's basically an unusable device. I don't know how much to blame on Moto (probably the parts about the battery always dying, it not recognizing when it was plugged into a charger half the time, constant crashing, etc) and how much of it was Microsoft's fault (some of the crashing, failing to ring when a call comes in, etc etc).
It was not my first Moto; I had a few Nextels as well (i1000, i50). I will never again use a Motorola phone or a Microsoft-powered phone. Sorry, guys, I don't want a task manager on my phone. I want a phone that works the way they say it will. iPhone fits the bill for now.
I know this is offtopic, but I'll post non-anon to take my punishment.
I am wondering the same thing about tonight's World Series game on Fox. Anyone answer that question?
Not helpful, but...
I totally lucked out 4 years ago. I posted somewhere (Fark, I think) asking about streaming World Series. I guess it wouldn't work in the US, but some kind soul gave me his login info for mlb.com, and since my IP did not originate in the US (I was in Europe), I was able to watch the final game of the world series fullscreen on my laptop in the middle of the night.
Elections, though, came courtesy of CNN International:)
Just as has been the case for more than a decade, the Apple UI is less confusing to first-time users, but advanced users who learn the tricks of the UI are able to function more efficiently in Windows. Your alt-tab behavior difference is a great example of this, and the dock vs taskbar behavior is another.
That is an interesting assessment, given that I didn't even own a Mac until 2002.
>I don't like the OSX dock, and its lumping together of "start a new task" and "return to a previous task context"... (not to mention the hopelessness of "alt-tab to the application you're thinking of, then alt-tab (or whatever) to the window in that program) instead of Window's "alt-tab to your task"
Really? I always thought the way that the dock combined task management and app launching into one place was genius. In windows, you typically have 3 places from which to launch apps (desktop, start menu, quicklaunch) and one place to manage tasks, the taskbar. Why the hell do they waste all that screen real estate on taskbar item titles, when they'll be unreadable once you have 4 apps running anyway? Why do I need quicklaunch and taskbar to take up separate real estate? And why are there multiple, confusing ways of accomplishing the same task (this goes for the proliferation of control panels as well)?
I sorta see your point with the alt-tab thing, but the problem is, in windows, alt-tabbing thru browser windows is an exercise in futility because you have no clue which one of the 10 firefox instances your proper window is until you try them all. In OS X you have a much shorter list of things to alt-tab thru, then cycling windows is cake. It does take a little bit of getting used to, but I vastly prefer it.
I do understand that alt-tab behavior in Vista is different -- if it allows you to preview content of the window before you switch (like alt-tilde in OS X does for window switching) then it would be better. I just haven't used Vista so I don't know.
That's the first line of defense for the hardcore Mac fanboys, isn't it. Anyone who doesn't love every feature of the Mac or Mac OS, no matter how bad, must be some Windows nutjob who's never actually used a Mac.
Precisely. You know why? Because it's true in the vast majority of cases.
The fact of the matter is, in Windows vs. MacOS religion wars, the Windows side has less credibility in comparisons because the average Mac user uses Windows machines regularly, while the average Windows user knows very little about Macs.
Some fields of science require UNIX for serious work. Some branches of art and design require professional software. Some business interactions require the ability to open Windows software files or connection with Internet Explorer.
Hell, for that matter, try administering Unix systems from Windows. Don't get me wrong, I do it occasionally, and I'm sure more than 50% of Unix sysadmins use Windows. It's just not a pleasant experience to need a separate point-n-click GUI app for every function; secureCRT, winSCP, etc etc etc. You end up needing a bastion host that you can use to do your rsyncs and spawn ssh sessions from because it's such a pain to do all of this stuff in Windows. SecureCRT is frankly crap since it's only an SSH client, and don't even get me started on how bad Cygwin is...
You say that as if it's supposed to inspire envy or something.
I already drive a car that is good enough that I get no envy from test driving a Porsche or BMW.
It can keep up with either of them.
It's as reliable as either of them.
What's missing is "hype".
Not everyone thinks that "hype" is worth wasting money on.
When you create a straw-man argument, of course your argument is going to win against it. If you're going to pretend that everyone who buys a Porsche or BMW is concerned only with image then it makes you the idiot, not the owner of that car.
People have different needs in things they buy, and it's awfully presumptuous of you to say that just because YOU can't distinguish or appreciate the difference, that nobody else can.
I have a Mac Pro at home, and it's not to impress you or anyone else. It sits under my desk where nobody ever sees it, in fact the most visible part of my computer setup is my Dell monitor.
1) OSX is not very fast. I think it's bloated. I've got a ridiculous amount of processing power on this Mac Pro, but it just doesn't move that fast.
My experiences largely mirror yours, though I never used Windows much and switched to the Mac in 2002 with a slow iBook G3.
Every version of OS X has gotten snappier and more responsive, but there must be some overhead in there somewhere, because at some point (Tiger for the G3) the OS no longer supports the old hardware.
Also, I have a dual G5 2.0 at work and a quad Pro 2.66 at home. The G5 is running Leopard, Pro is running Tiger. I think Leopard is significantly slower and less pleasant to work with than Tiger. I won't upgrade the Pro until Snow Leopard comes out.
So maybe some of your bloat/slowness you see on your Mac Pro is due to Leopard? I'm always surprised at how much slower the G5 is than the Pro; it feels like less than half speed in normal operations, when it really shouldn't be much slower at all for single threaded type apps. The G5 has 2.5G of ram and the Pro has 6, but even when the Pro was at 1G it felt faster than the G5.
The World Bank and the IMF are infamous for requiring Countries to De-Nationalize resources, requiring that foreign Nationals can buy up once publicly owned companies, and turning social Democracies into lasse-faire capitalist countries in return for their "aid". See: Poland, Indonesia, Chili, Argentina, South America, etc. This usually causes real wages to fall, unemployment to increase, and the reduction of land ownership by locals.
Yeah, Poland's really been hurting the past 10 years.
What? That's ridiculous logic. I've used the dock on OS X (a little bit, anyway) and it's wonderful, except that you can't tell if something is running or not.
This is only true in Leopard with the default background, where the shiny orb blends in with stars in the background. Stupid design decision, IMO. Change your background or something, and it will all be so much better.
I use Leopard at work and Tiger at home; IMO Tiger is much more pleasant to use. Won't bother upgrading my home machine 'till Snow Leopard comes out.
No it isn't. I know people bitch about the dock, but I love it.
Windows' version is a PITA to use precisely because of the bass-ackwards implementation where you need 3 copies of everything; 1 icon in the quicklaunch, one button in the taskbar for the running app, and, frequently, ANOTHER over in the system tray.
Federally, they would like to have this automatically enforced (as there is a huge cost related to speeding, accidents, road wear, etc).
The bigger issue is, the day they eliminate speeding and roadway deaths drop 2%, do you think everyone will pat each other on the back and say well done?
But overall it is a fairly juvenile affair, concerned more with how fast each vehicle can go from 0-60, and whether the exterior look "cool", than with say mileage or cost.
We had the same problem here in the Valley 6 or 8 months ago when we were hiring, nobody remotely useful interviewing. This news surprises me. My impression is that few companies are hiring and few people are leaving their jobs, so there's just some stagnation. I don't have the impression of high unemployment at all.
No. I like working longer hours some days and spending the odd afternoon at the pool. I like having a non-adversarial relationship with management and playing foosball with my boss. I like being free to negotiate my OWN salary. I like participating in an industry where free thought reigns, not a mob mentality.
It's the union members who are sheep and do whatever the union tells them to do.
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Maybe this means they'll finally deliver a non-buggy app suite. I think Motorola has been suffering because of the quality of their software.
Wrong. Motorola makes unholy crappy hardware AND software.
The WinMo based Motorola Q is a perfect example of what not to do. It's basically an unusable device. I don't know how much to blame on Moto (probably the parts about the battery always dying, it not recognizing when it was plugged into a charger half the time, constant crashing, etc) and how much of it was Microsoft's fault (some of the crashing, failing to ring when a call comes in, etc etc).
It was not my first Moto; I had a few Nextels as well (i1000, i50). I will never again use a Motorola phone or a Microsoft-powered phone. Sorry, guys, I don't want a task manager on my phone. I want a phone that works the way they say it will. iPhone fits the bill for now.
I know this is offtopic, but I'll post non-anon to take my punishment.
I am wondering the same thing about tonight's World Series game on Fox. Anyone answer that question?
Not helpful, but...
I totally lucked out 4 years ago. I posted somewhere (Fark, I think) asking about streaming World Series. I guess it wouldn't work in the US, but some kind soul gave me his login info for mlb.com, and since my IP did not originate in the US (I was in Europe), I was able to watch the final game of the world series fullscreen on my laptop in the middle of the night.
Elections, though, came courtesy of CNN International :)
Just as has been the case for more than a decade, the Apple UI is less confusing to first-time users, but advanced users who learn the tricks of the UI are able to function more efficiently in Windows. Your alt-tab behavior difference is a great example of this, and the dock vs taskbar behavior is another.
That is an interesting assessment, given that I didn't even own a Mac until 2002.
>I don't like the OSX dock, and its lumping together of "start a new task" and "return to a previous task context"... (not to mention the hopelessness of "alt-tab to the application you're thinking of, then alt-tab (or whatever) to the window in that program) instead of Window's "alt-tab to your task"
Really? I always thought the way that the dock combined task management and app launching into one place was genius. In windows, you typically have 3 places from which to launch apps (desktop, start menu, quicklaunch) and one place to manage tasks, the taskbar. Why the hell do they waste all that screen real estate on taskbar item titles, when they'll be unreadable once you have 4 apps running anyway? Why do I need quicklaunch and taskbar to take up separate real estate? And why are there multiple, confusing ways of accomplishing the same task (this goes for the proliferation of control panels as well)?
I sorta see your point with the alt-tab thing, but the problem is, in windows, alt-tabbing thru browser windows is an exercise in futility because you have no clue which one of the 10 firefox instances your proper window is until you try them all. In OS X you have a much shorter list of things to alt-tab thru, then cycling windows is cake. It does take a little bit of getting used to, but I vastly prefer it.
I do understand that alt-tab behavior in Vista is different -- if it allows you to preview content of the window before you switch (like alt-tilde in OS X does for window switching) then it would be better. I just haven't used Vista so I don't know.
You don't use Mac's do you?
That's the first line of defense for the hardcore Mac fanboys, isn't it. Anyone who doesn't love every feature of the Mac or Mac OS, no matter how bad, must be some Windows nutjob who's never actually used a Mac.
Precisely. You know why? Because it's true in the vast majority of cases.
The fact of the matter is, in Windows vs. MacOS religion wars, the Windows side has less credibility in comparisons because the average Mac user uses Windows machines regularly, while the average Windows user knows very little about Macs.
It's funny how you manage to overlook that.
Some fields of science require UNIX for serious work. Some branches of art and design require professional software. Some business interactions require the ability to open Windows software files or connection with Internet Explorer.
Hell, for that matter, try administering Unix systems from Windows. Don't get me wrong, I do it occasionally, and I'm sure more than 50% of Unix sysadmins use Windows. It's just not a pleasant experience to need a separate point-n-click GUI app for every function; secureCRT, winSCP, etc etc etc. You end up needing a bastion host that you can use to do your rsyncs and spawn ssh sessions from because it's such a pain to do all of this stuff in Windows. SecureCRT is frankly crap since it's only an SSH client, and don't even get me started on how bad Cygwin is...
Also, the Macbook is probably Apple's less overpriced product. Do the same comparison with a 15" Macbook Pro, or even worse, a Mac Pro.
Go read the archives from 2006. Everyone and their mother did the comparisons and found the Mac Pro to be cheaper than an equivalent Dell.
> Not everyone drives Porsches either...
You say that as if it's supposed to inspire envy or something.
I already drive a car that is good enough that I get no envy from test driving a Porsche or BMW.
It can keep up with either of them.
It's as reliable as either of them.
What's missing is "hype".
Not everyone thinks that "hype" is worth wasting money on.
When you create a straw-man argument, of course your argument is going to win against it. If you're going to pretend that everyone who buys a Porsche or BMW is concerned only with image then it makes you the idiot, not the owner of that car.
People have different needs in things they buy, and it's awfully presumptuous of you to say that just because YOU can't distinguish or appreciate the difference, that nobody else can.
I have a Mac Pro at home, and it's not to impress you or anyone else. It sits under my desk where nobody ever sees it, in fact the most visible part of my computer setup is my Dell monitor.
1) OSX is not very fast. I think it's bloated. I've got a ridiculous amount of processing power on this Mac Pro, but it just doesn't move that fast.
My experiences largely mirror yours, though I never used Windows much and switched to the Mac in 2002 with a slow iBook G3.
Every version of OS X has gotten snappier and more responsive, but there must be some overhead in there somewhere, because at some point (Tiger for the G3) the OS no longer supports the old hardware.
Also, I have a dual G5 2.0 at work and a quad Pro 2.66 at home. The G5 is running Leopard, Pro is running Tiger. I think Leopard is significantly slower and less pleasant to work with than Tiger. I won't upgrade the Pro until Snow Leopard comes out.
So maybe some of your bloat/slowness you see on your Mac Pro is due to Leopard? I'm always surprised at how much slower the G5 is than the Pro; it feels like less than half speed in normal operations, when it really shouldn't be much slower at all for single threaded type apps. The G5 has 2.5G of ram and the Pro has 6, but even when the Pro was at 1G it felt faster than the G5.
None of the problems you see with Apple SW on Windows are present on Macs.
But Windows sucks whether or not you install any crappy Apple SW on it.
The World Bank and the IMF are infamous for requiring Countries to De-Nationalize resources, requiring that foreign Nationals can buy up once publicly owned companies, and turning social Democracies into lasse-faire capitalist countries in return for their "aid". See: Poland, Indonesia, Chili, Argentina, South America, etc. This usually causes real wages to fall, unemployment to increase, and the reduction of land ownership by locals.
Yeah, Poland's really been hurting the past 10 years.
What? That's ridiculous logic. I've used the dock on OS X (a little bit, anyway) and it's wonderful, except that you can't tell if something is running or not.
This is only true in Leopard with the default background, where the shiny orb blends in with stars in the background. Stupid design decision, IMO. Change your background or something, and it will all be so much better.
I use Leopard at work and Tiger at home; IMO Tiger is much more pleasant to use. Won't bother upgrading my home machine 'till Snow Leopard comes out.
That's an awfully trivial difference.
No it isn't. I know people bitch about the dock, but I love it.
Windows' version is a PITA to use precisely because of the bass-ackwards implementation where you need 3 copies of everything; 1 icon in the quicklaunch, one button in the taskbar for the running app, and, frequently, ANOTHER over in the system tray.
Federally, they would like to have this automatically enforced (as there is a huge cost related to speeding, accidents, road wear, etc).
The bigger issue is, the day they eliminate speeding and roadway deaths drop 2%, do you think everyone will pat each other on the back and say well done?
No, they'll say "we can do better."
Just what we need.
But overall it is a fairly juvenile affair, concerned more with how fast each vehicle can go from 0-60, and whether the exterior look "cool", than with say mileage or cost.
God I hope I never meet someone as dull as you.
I came here just to comment on that! 30,400M is some serious, serious altitude.
We had the same problem here in the Valley 6 or 8 months ago when we were hiring, nobody remotely useful interviewing. This news surprises me. My impression is that few companies are hiring and few people are leaving their jobs, so there's just some stagnation. I don't have the impression of high unemployment at all.
You got rated OT because you're an idiot. I've known Indians who moved back and they hate it.
NOBODY likes the weather in the major IT hub cities, the traffic and pollution and property prices are outlandish.
Meanwhile, condos in Silicon Valley barely cost more than a condo in Bangalore, and we have some of the best weather on the planet.
How on earth is engine braking a hypermiling technique?
Hint: the engine is not generating diesel fuel from your kinetic energy.
It was HP, not Apple that started the touch screen. So Apple has nothing to lose really. And Moto and Samsung rock! Apple is just hype.
Dude, nobody's claiming Apple invented the touchscreen.
But the article is misleading because once you've used an iPhone, all other touchscreen interfaces seem downright primitive.
You forgot the version 9 at the end, even though there was no 6, 7, or 8.
Sun N1 iPlanet Java System ONE database Enterprise EditionOS 2.9?
... But all the advances made in improving efficiency have been burned away on power and sportiness and cup holders.
Care to elaborate how 'sportiness' adds weight? If anything, 'sportiness' requires reducing weight.
No. I like working longer hours some days and spending the odd afternoon at the pool. I like having a non-adversarial relationship with management and playing foosball with my boss. I like being free to negotiate my OWN salary. I like participating in an industry where free thought reigns, not a mob mentality.
It's the union members who are sheep and do whatever the union tells them to do.
Thin will be in once we ditch the uselessly fat OS...
In 4 years' time, we may even be able to print from Linux!