I don't really think that was the original point. But it's not as if I'm in total disagreement with you. Physical addictions suck, especially ones that so radically alter your brain chemistry that you never really recover - cocaine & derivatives for example.
I'm gonna assume you have done or still do NA. If so, I think we can at least agree that it's not the physical addiction that's treated - it's the psychological. With help, you can get over the physical withdrawal in a relatively short period of time - it's the psychological part that's the lifelong battle.
I do agree that the use of the term "addiction" has definitely been diluted to the point that it can be applied to almost anything. I'm just not convinced that psychological pot addiction is quite so harmless and rosy as some of the comments seem to be arguing.
You're agreeing with the GP (and me). The parent disagreed because they claimed that the type of addiction that both you & the GP are talking about isn't addiction but a misuse of the word "addiction".
This one's a classic from the April 1995 issue of Discover mag. A friend compounded things by handing it to me in August - the bastard. Maybe if I had known what 'pazzo' meant at the time...
--------- April Pazzo was about to call it a day when she noticed that the penquins she was observing seemed strangely agitated. Pazzo, a wildlife biologist, was in Antarctica studying penguins at a remote, poorly explored area along the coast of the Ross Sea. "I was getting ready to release a penguin I had tagged when I heard a lot of squawking," says Pazzo. "When I looked up, the whole flock had sort of stampeded. They were waddling away faster than I'd ever seen them move."
Pazzo waded through the panicked birds to find out what was wrong. She found one penguin that hadn't fled. "It was sinking into the ice as if into quicksand," she says. Somehow the ice beneath the bird had melted; the penguin was waist deep in slush. Pazzo tried to help the struggling penguin. She grabbed its wings and pulled. With a heave she freed the bird. But the penguin wasn't the only thing she hauled from the slush. About a dozen small, hairless pink molelike creatures had clamped their jaws onto the penguin's lower body. Pazzo managed to capture one of the creatures -- the others quickly released their grip and vanished into the slush.
Over the next few months Pazzo caught several of the animals and watched others in the wild. She calls the strange new species hotheaded naked ice borers. "They're repulsive," says Pazzo. Adults are about six inches long, weigh a few ounces, have a very high metabolic rate -- their body temperature is 110 degrees -- and live in labyrinthine tunnels carved in the ice.
Perhaps their most fascinating feature is a bony plate on their forehead. Innumerable blood vessels line the skin covering the plate. The animals radiate tremendous amounts of body heat through their "hot plates," which they use to melt their tunnels in ice and to hunt their favorite prey: penguins.
A pack of ice borers will cluster under a penguin and melt the ice and snow it's standing on. When the hapless bird sinks into the slush, the ice borers attack, dispatching it with bites of their sharp incisors. They then carve it up and carry its flesh back to their burrows, leaving behind only webbed feet, a beak, and some feathers. "They travel through the ice at surprisingly high speeds," says Pazzo, "much faster than a penguin can waddle."
Pazzo's discovery may also help solve a long-standing Antarctic mystery: What happened to the heroic polar explorer Phillipe Poisson, who disappeared in Antarctica without a trace in 1837? "I wouldn't rule out the possibility that a big pack of ice borers got him," says Pazzo. "I've seen what these things do to emporer penguins -- it isn't pretty -- and emporers can be as much as four feet tall. Poisson was about 5 foot 6. To the ice borers, he would have looked like a big penguin."
Actually, I was trying to lead people to the fact that they've been successfully lied to when they start repeating "facts" about the budget and thus become unwitting participants in the lying.
You appear to be a witting participant. But I applaud you on your two paragraphs of "whatever dude - whatever". You might get some traction with that.
Go check the treasury numbers for the national debt. You'll find that the last time the national debt didn't increase was under Eisenhower. A politician's definition of the terms "surplus", "balanced", and "cut" are not the same as the definitions used by their constituents.
I tried that excuse with my DAR in an attempt to wave DO-178B compliance but it didn't work out very well for me. Fortunately, it turns out kernels can be tested.
Good Lord. I ran back through my math and found my error (fortunately, I normally use 'bc -l' and the terminal was still open). I missed a digit on the LOC. So, my numbers come up as ~94,000 months, or ~7,800 years, which would be a staffing of nearly 500 for 16 years.
Most SLOC tools assume that there are high level requirements documents, systems engineering documents, design documents, and fully witnessed regression tests and reports. Plus CM and QA roles performed independently. And that means those documents are updated and tests performed for every release.
2.5 hours/SLOC isn't far off of the mark in cases like that, so I'm gonna guess it was around 9300 months, which is 775 man years. So, even if we pick 1992 as the first year of Linux, that's 16 years which comes out to a staff of 48 people working full-time per year. That's not exactly a huge staff.
Obligatory "That's what she said!" added for your convenience.
In as much as I suspect that few here will want to hear your opinion (modding should indicate whether I'm right about that), I was hoping to find something along those lines.
My first thought when I read the headline was "big deal". When you consider the cost of a private education, $100k at a private institution is trivial. The government takes that much from me every year, and I figure the same people up in arms about the P2P cost wouldn't shed a single tear over my tax bill. Although at least the institutions can do it by choice, whereas my options all involve shedding myself of income.
Besides, the really poor drivers always drive fast...
That depends on your region. Where I'm at, the really dangerous drivers drive really slow. They not only massively congest traffic (leading to fender benders), they're quite likely to pull out into traffic going so slow as to cause emergency braking on the part of people going the posted limit.
Fortunately, they're only here in the winter, so summer is substantially safer.
Sweeet. I'm pretty sure I have it on C-64ish floppies somewhere. In fact, the C-64 is still floating around. So I suppose I could use (write?) a sector copy program for the 1541 and push it out via zmodem. Although I'm pretty sure I have a breadboard and port set somewhere that would let me do direct I/O.
IIRC, the daisy chain interface was an IEEE standard. Maybe I could just hook up the 1541 directly. I've got a hardware/software manual somewhere too. The onboard 6510 was somewhat user programmable, so it shouldn't be a terribly difficult task to mate it up to a USB converter - maybe a PIC kit with a USB port.
Of course, I could just google for the emulator image, but where would the heroic effort and reward be in that? You can't just buy geek bragging rights.
I'd mod both of you up if I had points. The GP was insightful. I'm not sure what I'd mod yours... perhaps it would be informative for anyone new to/. Insightful tends to mean shedding new light on a subject, and - alas -/. being a Google lovefest isn't exactly a secret.
I have to wonder how long it will be before that's over. Remember only a few years ago when/. was nearly an Apple lovefest? It still is more than it should be, but the honeymoon appears to be over.
OMG. The Bard's Tale! I haven't thought about that in years. Well, I suppose decades would be closer to the truth.
Damn you! Now I'm going to have to track it down, install the matching emulator, and then burn a bunch of time that could have been used more productively; like ninja-mining kernite.
Okay - so now you're back to saying that all of her communications are required to be a part of the public record. Which means that she's not allowed to communicate with anyone using anything other than systems that have retention in place.
Which is what got us to the question about sticky notes and other obviously facetious (well, apparently not as obvious as I would have thought) examples as to what should be archived. The question all comes back to why *all* email should be considered official and part of the public record. Does this mean that a stenographer has to attend all lunches where a public servant might discuss something other than personal matters? BTW - that was another facetious example - just in case I'm being too obtuse for you.
I wondered when the personal attacks would begin, but as it turns out I don't have to try because I'm not obtuse.
The point I'm trying to make is that email is considered to be incredibly golden. The primary reason being that it's trivial to record. Not because it should be considered golden. Treating it differently from other forms of casual communication is silly. The key problem may be that both casual and official communications are done by email and there's no way to tell the difference between them. A simple solution to that is to assume that all email is casual unless tagged in a particular way. Otherwise, people are going to become increasingly hesitant to use email, and that's a waste of time. It would be no different than if bugs were placed throughout a building with constant recording. That does nothing but instill a sense of fear in everyone.
Interestingly, in my work experience with multiple global corporations I have yet to see an email that was in and of itself legally binding at a corporate level or even at a low level. All of the official contractual letters, deliverables, etc. are clearly marked as such with contract numbers, signatures, etc. The same is true as employee conduct systems, performance reviews, and so forth. The emails are nothing but a convenient method for conveying information to multiple people. Chat and telecons count for the other large chunk of unofficial communications, and corporate retention systems are just beginning to get around to creating artifacts from chat.
So you're saying that post-it notes and back-of-the-envelope scribblings are all archived? And that all conversations are recorded and archived? Really?!
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I also know that several CPUs are designed from scratch in Russia.
In Soviet Russia... oh - wait - nvm.
It's not the checkmarked list of features. It's the implementation.
I don't really think that was the original point. But it's not as if I'm in total disagreement with you. Physical addictions suck, especially ones that so radically alter your brain chemistry that you never really recover - cocaine & derivatives for example.
I'm gonna assume you have done or still do NA. If so, I think we can at least agree that it's not the physical addiction that's treated - it's the psychological. With help, you can get over the physical withdrawal in a relatively short period of time - it's the psychological part that's the lifelong battle.
I do agree that the use of the term "addiction" has definitely been diluted to the point that it can be applied to almost anything. I'm just not convinced that psychological pot addiction is quite so harmless and rosy as some of the comments seem to be arguing.
You're agreeing with the GP (and me). The parent disagreed because they claimed that the type of addiction that both you & the GP are talking about isn't addiction but a misuse of the word "addiction".
Your exposure to habitual, excessive pot smokers must be stunningly limited, although your use of the word 'nobody' would seem to imply otherwise.
This one's a classic from the April 1995 issue of Discover mag. A friend compounded things by handing it to me in August - the bastard. Maybe if I had known what 'pazzo' meant at the time...
---------
April Pazzo was about to call it a day when she noticed that the penquins she was observing seemed strangely agitated. Pazzo, a wildlife biologist, was in Antarctica studying penguins at a remote, poorly explored area along the coast of the Ross Sea. "I was getting ready to release a penguin I had tagged when I heard a lot of squawking," says Pazzo. "When I looked up, the whole flock had sort of stampeded. They were waddling away faster than I'd ever seen them move."
Pazzo waded through the panicked birds to find out what was wrong. She found one penguin that hadn't fled. "It was sinking into the ice as if into quicksand," she says. Somehow the ice beneath the bird had melted; the penguin was waist deep in slush. Pazzo tried to help the struggling penguin. She grabbed its wings and pulled. With a heave she freed the bird. But the penguin wasn't the only thing she hauled from the slush. About a dozen small, hairless pink molelike creatures had clamped their jaws onto the penguin's lower body. Pazzo managed to capture one of the creatures -- the others quickly released their grip and vanished into the slush.
Over the next few months Pazzo caught several of the animals and watched others in the wild. She calls the strange new species hotheaded naked ice borers. "They're repulsive," says Pazzo. Adults are about six inches long, weigh a few ounces, have a very high metabolic rate -- their body temperature is 110 degrees -- and live in labyrinthine tunnels carved in the ice.
Perhaps their most fascinating feature is a bony plate on their forehead. Innumerable blood vessels line the skin covering the plate. The animals radiate tremendous amounts of body heat through their "hot plates," which they use to melt their tunnels in ice and to hunt their favorite prey: penguins.
A pack of ice borers will cluster under a penguin and melt the ice and snow it's standing on. When the hapless bird sinks into the slush, the ice borers attack, dispatching it with bites of their sharp incisors. They then carve it up and carry its flesh back to their burrows, leaving behind only webbed feet, a beak, and some feathers. "They travel through the ice at surprisingly high speeds," says Pazzo, "much faster than a penguin can waddle."
Pazzo's discovery may also help solve a long-standing Antarctic mystery: What happened to the heroic polar explorer Phillipe Poisson, who disappeared in Antarctica without a trace in 1837? "I wouldn't rule out the possibility that a big pack of ice borers got him," says Pazzo. "I've seen what these things do to emporer penguins -- it isn't pretty -- and emporers can be as much as four feet tall. Poisson was about 5 foot 6. To the ice borers, he would have looked like a big penguin."
Actually, I was trying to lead people to the fact that they've been successfully lied to when they start repeating "facts" about the budget and thus become unwitting participants in the lying.
You appear to be a witting participant. But I applaud you on your two paragraphs of "whatever dude - whatever". You might get some traction with that.
Go check the treasury numbers for the national debt. You'll find that the last time the national debt didn't increase was under Eisenhower. A politician's definition of the terms "surplus", "balanced", and "cut" are not the same as the definitions used by their constituents.
Why not? No one here seems to mind when someone comes up with exact opposite conclusion based upon the same level of information.
Sounds like a Level A flight critical. Yuck.
I tried that excuse with my DAR in an attempt to wave DO-178B compliance but it didn't work out very well for me. Fortunately, it turns out kernels can be tested.
Good Lord. I ran back through my math and found my error (fortunately, I normally use 'bc -l' and the terminal was still open). I missed a digit on the LOC. So, my numbers come up as ~94,000 months, or ~7,800 years, which would be a staffing of nearly 500 for 16 years.
Most SLOC tools assume that there are high level requirements documents, systems engineering documents, design documents, and fully witnessed regression tests and reports. Plus CM and QA roles performed independently. And that means those documents are updated and tests performed for every release.
2.5 hours/SLOC isn't far off of the mark in cases like that, so I'm gonna guess it was around 9300 months, which is 775 man years. So, even if we pick 1992 as the first year of Linux, that's 16 years which comes out to a staff of 48 people working full-time per year. That's not exactly a huge staff.
Obligatory "That's what she said!" added for your convenience.
In as much as I suspect that few here will want to hear your opinion (modding should indicate whether I'm right about that), I was hoping to find something along those lines.
My first thought when I read the headline was "big deal". When you consider the cost of a private education, $100k at a private institution is trivial. The government takes that much from me every year, and I figure the same people up in arms about the P2P cost wouldn't shed a single tear over my tax bill. Although at least the institutions can do it by choice, whereas my options all involve shedding myself of income.
That depends on your region. Where I'm at, the really dangerous drivers drive really slow. They not only massively congest traffic (leading to fender benders), they're quite likely to pull out into traffic going so slow as to cause emergency braking on the part of people going the posted limit.
Fortunately, they're only here in the winter, so summer is substantially safer.
Glad you caught that first. I personally only shit bricks, and that's already painful enough. That door must be brutal, what with the slivers and all.
Sweeet. I'm pretty sure I have it on C-64ish floppies somewhere. In fact, the C-64 is still floating around. So I suppose I could use (write?) a sector copy program for the 1541 and push it out via zmodem. Although I'm pretty sure I have a breadboard and port set somewhere that would let me do direct I/O.
IIRC, the daisy chain interface was an IEEE standard. Maybe I could just hook up the 1541 directly. I've got a hardware/software manual somewhere too. The onboard 6510 was somewhat user programmable, so it shouldn't be a terribly difficult task to mate it up to a USB converter - maybe a PIC kit with a USB port.
Of course, I could just google for the emulator image, but where would the heroic effort and reward be in that? You can't just buy geek bragging rights.
I'd mod both of you up if I had points. The GP was insightful. I'm not sure what I'd mod yours... perhaps it would be informative for anyone new to /. Insightful tends to mean shedding new light on a subject, and - alas - /. being a Google lovefest isn't exactly a secret.
I have to wonder how long it will be before that's over. Remember only a few years ago when /. was nearly an Apple lovefest? It still is more than it should be, but the honeymoon appears to be over.
OMG. The Bard's Tale! I haven't thought about that in years. Well, I suppose decades would be closer to the truth.
Damn you! Now I'm going to have to track it down, install the matching emulator, and then burn a bunch of time that could have been used more productively; like ninja-mining kernite.
Err... maybe the energy disappears into that step where you electrolyze the water?
Just a thought.
Okay - so now you're back to saying that all of her communications are required to be a part of the public record. Which means that she's not allowed to communicate with anyone using anything other than systems that have retention in place.
Which is what got us to the question about sticky notes and other obviously facetious (well, apparently not as obvious as I would have thought) examples as to what should be archived. The question all comes back to why *all* email should be considered official and part of the public record. Does this mean that a stenographer has to attend all lunches where a public servant might discuss something other than personal matters? BTW - that was another facetious example - just in case I'm being too obtuse for you.
"Judging" might be too strong. I think "trolling" would be a better fit.
I assumed he was talking yen or pesos.
I wondered when the personal attacks would begin, but as it turns out I don't have to try because I'm not obtuse.
The point I'm trying to make is that email is considered to be incredibly golden. The primary reason being that it's trivial to record. Not because it should be considered golden. Treating it differently from other forms of casual communication is silly. The key problem may be that both casual and official communications are done by email and there's no way to tell the difference between them. A simple solution to that is to assume that all email is casual unless tagged in a particular way. Otherwise, people are going to become increasingly hesitant to use email, and that's a waste of time. It would be no different than if bugs were placed throughout a building with constant recording. That does nothing but instill a sense of fear in everyone.
Interestingly, in my work experience with multiple global corporations I have yet to see an email that was in and of itself legally binding at a corporate level or even at a low level. All of the official contractual letters, deliverables, etc. are clearly marked as such with contract numbers, signatures, etc. The same is true as employee conduct systems, performance reviews, and so forth. The emails are nothing but a convenient method for conveying information to multiple people. Chat and telecons count for the other large chunk of unofficial communications, and corporate retention systems are just beginning to get around to creating artifacts from chat.
So you're saying that post-it notes and back-of-the-envelope scribblings are all archived? And that all conversations are recorded and archived? Really?!