I see a lot of what's happening within Microsoft today and objectively I don't see this at all. It's been the "in" thing to claim Microsoft [is dying/is dead/sucks/etc] for as many years as the company has existed. I look at what they're doing with Office and in the development space with Visual Studio, the.NET framework, some of the server products like BizTalk and SharePoint and I see a company that's doing great. On the other hand, they've had some false starts lately, but that has always been true of them and any company.
I think one of the problems is that people tend to require absolutes from Microsoft while being lenient to their competitors. Windows Live Search does not have 100% of the market? HAHAHAHAH!!! OMFG, Microsoft SUX!!!. Vista is not selling 50M copies per week? HAHAHAHA!!! OMFG, MS IS TEH DEAD!!! And so on.
All companies have successes and failures. That's how they learn. I think that Microsoft hasn't made a fatal mistake yet, and they probably won't. I guess that's most unfortunate for the people who would actually like to see Microsoft die.
A company that spends billions of dollars a year in marketing [...] The shift has happened and it's all over.
Seems to me twitter that you can be neatly classified in the same vein as Microsoft, since you spend thousands of hours per year telling everyone that it's "all over". For several years now.
There's really no difference at all between you and them, except that they waste money and you waste your time. Neither is going to make much difference anyway.
I know this is April Fool's and all, and it looks like this year we were spared the pink ponies, but isn't this a tad close to starting a harmful rumor? People are stupid, and nVidia is a publicly traded company. I think there's enough crap to make fun of without having to resort to this type of thing? Just IMO.
I can conclude you are a M$ Astroturfer. That does not mean you represent any of the people who work for M$, it just means you are paid to read a script here and annoy people. You may have been given a file about who Twitter is, which would tie in to this story very well
Jesus christ...
Free software users are serene.
Most of them are, yes. You on the other hand are a hysterical, pompous, arrogant insulting FUDster. 6,000+ posts and counting don't lie. I have the links, if anyone wants them.
Does this mean that Dell will have to stop selling Windows? Or that they'll go bankrupt? Or will their offices be burned down to the ground? What was the reason for this not happening before again?
But the US is trying its hardest to export its IP system to other countries.
Yes, I'm sure the EU and China are just chomping at the bit to be good little pawns and adopt a system that is largely broken (at least as far as software goes). That makes a lot of sense.
(Just a coincidence the announcement came out a day after this community's speculation, surely.)
I realize that "this community" like any other has a need for self-worth, but was this petty, self-important comment necessary at all?
If 96 million PCs are going to be sold in 2007, I'm pretty sure 95 million of them (or thereabouts) will have Vista installed. It's called inertia (if nothing else), and it's very difficult to stop. Ina few years, maybe. Not today though.
Sure. It means that when the platform is the web, no one owns the platform.
You're trying to stop people from using all the open source AJAX implementations out there
I'm not sure how you come to this conclusion - Microsoft's AJAX toolkit is tightly bound to ASP.NET. How exactly are they going to "force" anyone to do anything?
Yes, because most of the servers on the web aren't Windows, damn it! Oh sorry, that quote was taken out of context.
LOL and all that, but if you missed his point about platform ownership then I can't expect you to grok that, either.
Everytime a Microsoft individual opens his mouth - in public, on a blog, wherever - he is a LIAR.
Wow. What does EVERYONE at Microsoft gain by "lying"? In this particular case, it's not like they're selling Atlas to the Rails project or anything like that. What exactly is this man lying about?
The Microsoft shills babble about XHTTPRequest [...] The whole notion lay fallow until OSS developed it.
So what you're saying instead is that you and the flocktards have decided to take credit for something they didn't do now? Flowery phrases notwithstanding ("lay fallow"? WTF?) while Microsoft did produce the first real "AJAX" application (OWA), it was Google's use of XMLHTTP that caused the explosion in these types of applications, not something "OSS" developed. Please, I'd love for you to prove me wrong.
There are tons of OSS AJAX toolkits around. Who cares about Microsoft's "permissive license" version?
Well, if you're using ASP.NET then it's pretty useful. I'd say it's probably not if you're using Rails or Mason. But I suspect either the submitter got it wrong with the angle or you just misunderstood - probably intentionally so you could use that "lay fallow" phrase - what the point of the article was.
used all of it's anti-competitive might to destroy the PDA market.
Prove it. It's that simple. You mentioned lawsuits. Find me one. Offer some proof of this. Maybe you can also explain to us why Palm is still king of the hill and there are more Blackberries than CE-based PDAs? And why "M$" is not using their "anti-competitive might" to do the same thing with the XBox 360?
The Zune has famously tanked.
That the Zune "tanked" is irrelevant - that link was one of your pathetic "dump iTunes and use Amarok" blabber fests.
Microsoft continues to insult the US workforce
Next time this comes up, make sure you remember your heroes, OK? But then I don't really expect you to know anything about the real world.
harassing Twitter? In the huge sea that Slashdot is,
Really, third person? Are you that far gone? And maybe I reply to you in the "sea of Slashdot" because you stand out like a pus-dripping infested sore.
You have nothing but infantile creative spelling, FUD and lies. Oh, and your amusing "fuck shit fuck hate" internet tough guy facade. You can bitch about "M$" all you want, it's not like that's not the national sport around here. Just don't act all surprised and "insulted" when someone calls you out on the lies.
Liar. Again, ignorance strikes and you can't help it.
Be careful what you ask for, twitter. There are literally thousands of these helpful blasts to the past littering your posting history. All anyone needs to do is pick one up and have fun.
I'll see your mythic 33,000 and raise you 67,000 desktops - desktops only because I don't know how many servers there are total across the whole company.
In the meantime, you still lose. Or loser, depending on how one frames the thing in deficient but still elegant English.
You'll have to forgive twitter - anyone who disagrees with his religious views is automatically labeled as a "shill" working for shadowy "pay masters". This is especially true for the *AAs and Microsoft (or "M$" as he likes to call them).
It's the only way he can process and digest the fact that someone, somewhere might not march to the same tune as him.
Except the Mozilla ones that are "protected" so no one can look at them, or the ones that were released by the researcher after getting frustrated with the Mozilla developers, in which case there is no attribution.
So twitter, someone bequeathed a mod point on your post. What should we do with this data point you're giving us?
I don't necessarily mean to poke holes in your usually grandiose theories - 10 years ago, rich - but sometimes it pays to back your claims up with something other than a data point.
So assuming you're not just lying as usual, what are people supposed to do with your data point?
Let's see. I won't get into desktops because that would be a lost cause for you. But we'll do servers. At my data center (one of many around the world operated by this company) there are just over 450 servers (excluding a few midrange boxes). We'll use the 450 figure, though I'm sure there are more by now.
As of last quarter (end of 2006), 4-5 were Sun boxes of some sort. I believe that's where they run Checkpoint or some such.
Then there are a couple of BSD boxes, though I don't know which BSD specifically. I don't know what they're used for, but I've seen them in the reports. Let's say 5.
Finally, there were around 10 Linux boxes (a mix of RHEL and some "unknown" distro) in the mix. They are used primarily to run a Java app that requires Tomcat but won't run on Windows or something like that. They are actively trying to get rid of it but it'll take a year or so still.
So of those 450 servers, roughly 430 (mostly HPs and Dell DL3xx but some IBMs as well) run Windows. The bulk of them have W2003 but a few still have W2K. The remaining 20 are running something else.
I'll round down your 4.4% to 3% since you probably don't approve of Sun or BSD anyway. So my data point tells me that the "M$" share is actually 97%.
Of course, my data point is really meaningless because it does not represent overall reality, a median or an average. It's just a data point. It tells the story of a single data center of a single large company.
Yours is even less meaningful. Even ignoring that universities tend to be a lot more homogeneous than corporations, no industry data I've ever seen backs up your 80% number, not in a thousand years. No way. Not for a while, at least. Even if it did, and if we were talking desktops as well, part of that would be Mac boxes. And you hate Apple as well, don't you? So no big gain there for you.
No one with any sense of measure would ever claim that, which I guess is ultimately your main problem.
I expect that for the next few weeks the majority of the "Linux community" will be on the floor foaming and making lame jokes about Bob and flying chairs.
Microsoft is taking you seriously now - you better start doing the same thing.
The "M$ wag" where you posted your brilliant "bubba" flamebait? Which the guy actually took the time to answer in good faith? Is that it? Feels good insulting people on the internets, doesn't it? Calling them names behind their backs? For someone who complains so much about how "insulting" people who don't agree with you are, you sure know how to "dish it out" like a big tough dude. Way to go.
Clearly, it's time for the Planetary Affirmative Action Act (PAAA) of 2007:
Heretofore moreover, no planetary body shall be discriminated against on the basis of insofar distance from the Sun, orbital angle, albedo, size, mass, aphelion, inclination, number of satellites, axial tilt or rotation speed. If fuckin' Percival Lowell sez is a planet, them's the dregs. Signed, sealed and delivered. Jeeperz Creeperz. Elvis has left the building. Don't call us, we'll call you.
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It's always invigorating to see you stick both your feet in that blabbering trap of yours.
I think one of the problems is that people tend to require absolutes from Microsoft while being lenient to their competitors. Windows Live Search does not have 100% of the market? HAHAHAHAH!!! OMFG, Microsoft SUX!!!. Vista is not selling 50M copies per week? HAHAHAHA!!! OMFG, MS IS TEH DEAD!!! And so on.
All companies have successes and failures. That's how they learn. I think that Microsoft hasn't made a fatal mistake yet, and they probably won't. I guess that's most unfortunate for the people who would actually like to see Microsoft die.
Seems to me twitter that you can be neatly classified in the same vein as Microsoft, since you spend thousands of hours per year telling everyone that it's "all over". For several years now.
There's really no difference at all between you and them, except that they waste money and you waste your time. Neither is going to make much difference anyway.
I know this is April Fool's and all, and it looks like this year we were spared the pink ponies, but isn't this a tad close to starting a harmful rumor? People are stupid, and nVidia is a publicly traded company. I think there's enough crap to make fun of without having to resort to this type of thing? Just IMO.
Jesus christ...
Free software users are serene.
Most of them are, yes. You on the other hand are a hysterical, pompous, arrogant insulting FUDster. 6,000+ posts and counting don't lie. I have the links, if anyone wants them.
Does this mean that Dell will have to stop selling Windows? Or that they'll go bankrupt? Or will their offices be burned down to the ground? What was the reason for this not happening before again?
Yes, I'm sure the EU and China are just chomping at the bit to be good little pawns and adopt a system that is largely broken (at least as far as software goes). That makes a lot of sense.
Do you have another US-bashing angle, or are we done for the night?
I realize that "this community" like any other has a need for self-worth, but was this petty, self-important comment necessary at all?
If 96 million PCs are going to be sold in 2007, I'm pretty sure 95 million of them (or thereabouts) will have Vista installed. It's called inertia (if nothing else), and it's very difficult to stop. Ina few years, maybe. Not today though.
Maybe you should link to this comment in that story, instead of doing your part to spread pointless memes and FUD. Just a thought.
Sure. It means that when the platform is the web, no one owns the platform.
You're trying to stop people from using all the open source AJAX implementations out there
I'm not sure how you come to this conclusion - Microsoft's AJAX toolkit is tightly bound to ASP.NET. How exactly are they going to "force" anyone to do anything?
Yes, because most of the servers on the web aren't Windows, damn it! Oh sorry, that quote was taken out of context.
LOL and all that, but if you missed his point about platform ownership then I can't expect you to grok that, either.
Innocent of what? Or to put it another way, not guilty of what, exactly?
Wow. What does EVERYONE at Microsoft gain by "lying"? In this particular case, it's not like they're selling Atlas to the Rails project or anything like that. What exactly is this man lying about?
The Microsoft shills babble about XHTTPRequest [...] The whole notion lay fallow until OSS developed it.
So what you're saying instead is that you and the flocktards have decided to take credit for something they didn't do now? Flowery phrases notwithstanding ("lay fallow"? WTF?) while Microsoft did produce the first real "AJAX" application (OWA), it was Google's use of XMLHTTP that caused the explosion in these types of applications, not something "OSS" developed. Please, I'd love for you to prove me wrong.
There are tons of OSS AJAX toolkits around. Who cares about Microsoft's "permissive license" version?
Well, if you're using ASP.NET then it's pretty useful. I'd say it's probably not if you're using Rails or Mason. But I suspect either the submitter got it wrong with the angle or you just misunderstood - probably intentionally so you could use that "lay fallow" phrase - what the point of the article was.
I wish I had the time and eloquence to reply to the "M$ windoze open source is perfect and i hate you if you don't agree" trolls this way.
Prove it. It's that simple. You mentioned lawsuits. Find me one. Offer some proof of this. Maybe you can also explain to us why Palm is still king of the hill and there are more Blackberries than CE-based PDAs? And why "M$" is not using their "anti-competitive might" to do the same thing with the XBox 360?
The Zune has famously tanked.
That the Zune "tanked" is irrelevant - that link was one of your pathetic "dump iTunes and use Amarok" blabber fests.
Microsoft continues to insult the US workforce
Next time this comes up, make sure you remember your heroes, OK? But then I don't really expect you to know anything about the real world.
harassing Twitter? In the huge sea that Slashdot is,
Really, third person? Are you that far gone? And maybe I reply to you in the "sea of Slashdot" because you stand out like a pus-dripping infested sore.
You have nothing but infantile creative spelling, FUD and lies. Oh, and your amusing "fuck shit fuck hate" internet tough guy facade. You can bitch about "M$" all you want, it's not like that's not the national sport around here. Just don't act all surprised and "insulted" when someone calls you out on the lies.
Liar. Attempting to FUD iTunes/iPod for god knows what purpose. To push "Amarok", I guess.
Liar. For reasons that should be painfully obvious to you by now, "the OS" has nothing to do with Firefox leaking memory like a sieve.
Liar. No "M$" thing caused anything. And the glorious follow up is just painful.
Liar. WMP does not "save" every movie and song you've ever played, WTF?
Liar. You have consistenly lied about anything that has to do with "M$" and outsourcing while conventiently ignoring your heroes at IBM and OSDN.
Liar. All Indians suck? Way to go racist.
Liar. Wow, I won't even go there.
Liar. Accusing people of working for Microsoft because you don't like their tone.
Liar. Holy crap...
Liar. You were provided with proof of IRC botnets running Linux a few weeks ago, but of course you never actually replied to that
Liar... or just ignorant. Well, what's the difference.
Liar. Or again, just ignorant.
Liar. I mean, WTF?
Liar. Again, ignorance strikes and you can't help it.
Be careful what you ask for, twitter. There are literally thousands of these helpful blasts to the past littering your posting history. All anyone needs to do is pick one up and have fun.
In the meantime, you still lose. Or loser, depending on how one frames the thing in deficient but still elegant English.
It's the only way he can process and digest the fact that someone, somewhere might not march to the same tune as him.
Except the Mozilla ones that are "protected" so no one can look at them, or the ones that were released by the researcher after getting frustrated with the Mozilla developers, in which case there is no attribution.
I don't necessarily mean to poke holes in your usually grandiose theories - 10 years ago, rich - but sometimes it pays to back your claims up with something other than a data point.
So assuming you're not just lying as usual, what are people supposed to do with your data point?
Let's see. I won't get into desktops because that would be a lost cause for you. But we'll do servers. At my data center (one of many around the world operated by this company) there are just over 450 servers (excluding a few midrange boxes). We'll use the 450 figure, though I'm sure there are more by now.
As of last quarter (end of 2006), 4-5 were Sun boxes of some sort. I believe that's where they run Checkpoint or some such.
Then there are a couple of BSD boxes, though I don't know which BSD specifically. I don't know what they're used for, but I've seen them in the reports. Let's say 5.
Finally, there were around 10 Linux boxes (a mix of RHEL and some "unknown" distro) in the mix. They are used primarily to run a Java app that requires Tomcat but won't run on Windows or something like that. They are actively trying to get rid of it but it'll take a year or so still.
So of those 450 servers, roughly 430 (mostly HPs and Dell DL3xx but some IBMs as well) run Windows. The bulk of them have W2003 but a few still have W2K. The remaining 20 are running something else.
I'll round down your 4.4% to 3% since you probably don't approve of Sun or BSD anyway. So my data point tells me that the "M$" share is actually 97%.
Of course, my data point is really meaningless because it does not represent overall reality, a median or an average. It's just a data point. It tells the story of a single data center of a single large company.
Yours is even less meaningful. Even ignoring that universities tend to be a lot more homogeneous than corporations, no industry data I've ever seen backs up your 80% number, not in a thousand years. No way. Not for a while, at least. Even if it did, and if we were talking desktops as well, part of that would be Mac boxes. And you hate Apple as well, don't you? So no big gain there for you.
No one with any sense of measure would ever claim that, which I guess is ultimately your main problem.
Hope that helps.
That's the spirit.
Microsoft is taking you seriously now - you better start doing the same thing.
He's the most pathetic fucktard on Slashdork, and I've seen plenty.
The "M$ wag" where you posted your brilliant "bubba" flamebait? Which the guy actually took the time to answer in good faith? Is that it? Feels good insulting people on the internets, doesn't it? Calling them names behind their backs? For someone who complains so much about how "insulting" people who don't agree with you are, you sure know how to "dish it out" like a big tough dude. Way to go.
Maybe California can get this one in the books?