While it's a shame that the project may be dead (depending on if it's a hoax) It was very closed for an open source project. It was basicly one guy with gimp skill and a lot of time. Had propaganda been done in an open fashon with a mailing list and people exchanging ideas then it would have the best possable graphics work of the OSS community. Unfortunately, it didn't turn out that way. I'd love to see an Open Source graphics archive but Propaganda didn't aspire to that.
On the Orange Tour, the story given about the Tomb of the Unknown Tool is that apparently a student used it to study (presumably Jack Flory;-) but he'd left his desk there. Physical plant could not figure out how to orient the desk such that it would fit out so they had to take it apart. It's anyone's guess how true that is but it's a great story. --Ben
A company lives on image. Let Mattel know that, up untill now, you have been a satisfied customer (and who isn't a Mattel customer? Tyco?, Fisher-Price?, HotWheels?, Matchbox?) If they realize that this tarnishes their image they should think twice.
Of course, most people only copy music onto their computer in a lossey fashon. I could get very very high quality audio tape (recording studio quality) and make essentially an exact duplicate of a CD, one that would be less lossey than a 128kbps MP3. I'm sure they wouldn't mind me copying into 16kbps RealAudio, after all the quality there is way worse than audio tape. What about 33.6kbps mp3? 56kbps? 128? 256? All of those are lossey formats (granted the upper end is quite good). The industry really hasn't figured out that information is independent of media in this electronic age. --Ben
Will someone please steal negative $1,400,000,000 from me? While you'r at it take negative 90 million CD's. I'd be $1,400,000,000 ritcher and have more CDs than I'd know what to do with:-)
You have a point but that doesn't mean that there is no use for a gui file manager.
First of all, most people don't want to learn bash commands. Yes they are quick and easy but not everyone likes them.
Second, there are some things that a GUI file manager does better as people are mentioning. Moving random groups of files for instance. No you don't have the same degree of power but a GUI can be quicker sometimes.
It is silly to go bashing anything but bash (pun intended) just because you'r hard core. What I'd like is a combination GUI/CLI file manager. The ability to execute shell commands along with the ability to select with the mouse or click to re-sort the window or see thumnails and icons.
I think there is a lot of space between the GUI and the CLI that has yet to be explored. Bash is great but if everyone thought it was the be all and end all file manager then there would be no progress. --Ben
Just so you know, Enlightenment 0.17 will be have a gui theme creator/editor which should help with the issue of changing simple things. As for iconboxes vs. individual icons, I'm not sure
I'm quite impressed with some of the stuff that comes out of Propaganda but I have one qualm with it: Propaganda seems very one sided. Clearly Poag and now Sundar are pretty handy with the Gimp but unlike any other ``Open Source'' project I know of, Propaganda doesn't accept submissions and worse yet, they keep the tricks of the trade a secret.
There are nice instructions in the GIMP documentation about creating spiffy tiling images but those instructions are only the tip of the iceberg.
If the whole idea of Open Source is the free exchange of information to allow both learning and creation in the form of code (and images) I see Propaganda as quite counter to that.
I hope Propaganda can live up to it's claim of open source evangelism but so far it continues to disappoint me. Not the art but the philosophy.
As the author of two of the themes in question, I would like to know if Apple has any leg to stand on as far as look and feel. If I were to remove all of the Apple logos and replace them with Enlightenment Es (which I did in one place) or Penguins or Gnome feet would the theme then be legit?
Now that I think about it, my GTK theme doesn't have any logos in it. All of the logos are in the Enlightenment theme. Hmm...
There was a Discovery show about sleep deprivation that included a bit about this. The man was Peter Tripp, I think. Near the end of the 200 hours he started seeing things. He keept thinking spiders were crawling out of his shooes. Very strange stuff. Doctors supposed that his brain was crying out so much for sleep (and dreams) that he was having very lucid nightmares while he was awake. As I recall from the show, his wife was then pregnent with their first child.
from rael.org: On 13 December 1973 French journalist Rael was contacted by a visitor from an other planet, and asked to establish an Embassy to welcome these people back to Earth.
There are a lot reasons of people in the '70s were contacted by alians but that's anohter story.
The extra-terrestrial was about four feet in height, had long dark hair, almond shaped eyes, olive skin and exuded harmony and humour. He told Rael that "we were the ones who made all life on earth, you mistook us for gods, we were at the origin of your main religions. Now that you are mature enough to understand this, we would like to enter official contact through an embassy".
We are all clones of four foot tall dark haired alians with almond shaped eyes and olive skin. Yet we are generally between 5 and 6.5 feet tall. We are blond, dark haired, redheads, etc. None of us have almond shaped eyes (at least not compaired to what they are talking about) and human skin color ranges dramaticly but I wouldn't have thought of olive.
Maby it's just the nature/nurture thing but what percentage of humans ``exuded harmony and humour''?
People use whatever viewer they can (within reason) to view the content they want. Several years ago I was working with my high school's web site creating streaming RealMedia. What made it great was that it was really easy to just get working. Just download RealProducer and hit record. Open up a.wav file and hit convert. Same goes for live feeds and video (live feads are tough with a firewall but aside from that...)
If we want streaming MPEG rather than MS's format, there needs to be a very easy way to do it. If content creators can download one program that lets them encode audio and video and people know about it then people will use it. If people have to download software, then find an encoder to go with (most CD rippers for example) then far fewer peole are going to encode to that format.
Is there a package that will give content creators a simple, free, streightforward way to create media on open standards?
No sarcasm. If a normal notebook runs on 5W, and Transmeta's runs on 1W, then you have 5x the battery life. If you then have fule cells running laptops for 10x as long then one would suppose that Transmeta's CPU with this fulecell could actually run for 50x as long or about 100 hours!
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Fortunately I was runing Windows in VMware so it only virtually blew up, but had it been runing natively... scary.
--Ben
On the Orange Tour, the story given about the Tomb of the Unknown Tool is that apparently a student used it to study (presumably Jack Flory ;-) but he'd left his desk there. Physical plant could not figure out how to orient the desk such that it would fit out so they had to take it apart.
It's anyone's guess how true that is but it's a great story.
--Ben
A fitting fortune at the bottom of the page just now: ``It is easier to get forgiveness than permission.''
You could have a 41,000 node cluster on just one computer!
or not...
--Ben
Of course, most people only copy music onto their computer in a lossey fashon. I could get very very high quality audio tape (recording studio quality) and make essentially an exact duplicate of a CD, one that would be less lossey than a 128kbps MP3. I'm sure they wouldn't mind me copying into 16kbps RealAudio, after all the quality there is way worse than audio tape. What about 33.6kbps mp3? 56kbps? 128? 256?
All of those are lossey formats (granted the upper end is quite good). The industry really hasn't figured out that information is independent of media in this electronic age.
--Ben
...or not.
Will someone please steal negative $1,400,000,000 from me? While you'r at it take negative 90 million CD's. I'd be $1,400,000,000 ritcher and have more CDs than I'd know what to do with :-)
You have a point but that doesn't mean that there is no use for a gui file manager.
First of all, most people don't want to learn bash commands. Yes they are quick and easy but not everyone likes them.
Second, there are some things that a GUI file manager does better as people are mentioning. Moving random groups of files for instance. No you don't have the same degree of power but a GUI can be quicker sometimes.
It is silly to go bashing anything but bash (pun intended) just because you'r hard core. What I'd like is a combination GUI/CLI file manager. The ability to execute shell commands along with the ability to select with the mouse or click to re-sort the window or see thumnails and icons.
I think there is a lot of space between the GUI and the CLI that has yet to be explored. Bash is great but if everyone thought it was the be all and end all file manager then there would be no progress.
--Ben
--Ben
There are nice instructions in the GIMP documentation about creating spiffy tiling images but those instructions are only the tip of the iceberg.
If the whole idea of Open Source is the free exchange of information to allow both learning and creation in the form of code (and images) I see Propaganda as quite counter to that.
I hope Propaganda can live up to it's claim of open source evangelism but so far it continues to disappoint me. Not the art but the philosophy.
--Ben
--Ben
Now that I think about it, my GTK theme doesn't have any logos in it. All of the logos are in the Enlightenment theme. Hmm...
--Ben
Perhaps the little face logo could be frowning or something different like that.
--Ben
Don't try try to stay awake that long at home.
--Ben
On 13 December 1973 French journalist Rael was contacted by a visitor from an other planet, and asked to establish an Embassy to welcome these people back to Earth.
There are a lot reasons of people in the '70s were contacted by alians but that's anohter story.
The extra-terrestrial was about four feet in height, had long dark hair, almond shaped eyes, olive skin and exuded harmony and humour. He told Rael that "we were the ones who made all life on earth, you mistook us for gods, we were at the origin of your main religions. Now that you are mature enough to understand this, we would like to enter official contact through an embassy".
We are all clones of four foot tall dark haired alians with almond shaped eyes and olive skin. Yet we are generally between 5 and 6.5 feet tall. We are blond, dark haired, redheads, etc. None of us have almond shaped eyes (at least not compaired to what they are talking about) and human skin color ranges dramaticly but I wouldn't have thought of olive.
Maby it's just the nature/nurture thing but what percentage of humans ``exuded harmony and humour''?
--Ben
but gosh, what would you call him?
If we want streaming MPEG rather than MS's format, there needs to be a very easy way to do it. If content creators can download one program that lets them encode audio and video and people know about it then people will use it. If people have to download software, then find an encoder to go with (most CD rippers for example) then far fewer peole are going to encode to that format.
Is there a package that will give content creators a simple, free, streightforward way to create media on open standards?
--Ben
Each of these complaints are being worked on. The developers know that they are issues and they will be fixed. (I know for Gnome at least)
I've got a terrabyte of Write Only Memory. Want it?
I can see it now ``MPAA Takes Shirt off Man's Back''
No sarcasm. If a normal notebook runs on 5W, and Transmeta's runs on 1W, then you have 5x the battery life. If you then have fule cells running laptops for 10x as long then one would suppose that Transmeta's CPU with this fulecell could actually run for 50x as long or about 100 hours!
http://e.themes.org/themes.phtml?themeid=947644934 &rating=-2
To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction... hmm...