"Consider for a moment what a group of determined people with nothing left to live for and no lives to preserve anywhere anymore could do (think filo viruses). "
SO letting them run free to do what they wish against any democratic nation is better then fighting a war against these people?
The world is for humanity, these few terrorists are not. This is a war for humanity. This wasn't a strike against a powerfull nation, it was a strike against civilians, humanity, and against there own people. These murderers have to realize that yes, they destroyed an american icon, but at the same time they killed hundres of italians, hispanics, brits, irish and MANY MANY OF THERE OWN PEOPLE. Yet they show no remorse.
The US isn't going to hijack there own planes and send them crashing into civilian workplaces. Were just going to send in our military to kill people who try to kill us.
We don't fight terrorism now, we never will. People for years have tried to politically, educationaly and motivationaly help other countries with absolutely NO RESPONSE. Throwing books, preaching values and ethics gets no where for countries, nations and people WHO DON'T VALUE LIFE OR HUMANITY TO BEGIN WITH.
PEOPLE WHO DON'T VALUE "HUMANITY" ARE NOT PEOPLE. PEOPLE IN PAKISTAN AND AFGHAN SHOULD STAND UP FOR HUMANITY AND FIGHT TERRORISM THEMSELVES.
But they don't. THey choose to live like rats. I can't say it any other way. It isn't about what america does/did or WILL DO. IT IS ABOUT HOW THESE SO CALLED NATIONS WILLL PROTECT THEMSELVES AND PROTECT HUMANITY.
NO matter your race, skin color, nationality or religion, we are all humans. THESE PEOPLE DON'T RECOGNIZE THAT FACT and therefore don't recognize education, politics, humanity and respect as a solution to there problem, and they NEVER WILL.
I guess you just want to let them run rampant to have there own problems. Well, once the afghans and terrorists start another war with pakistan and get control of there SUCESSFULL NUCLEAR STOCKPILE it will be TOO LATE FOR US TO REACT. We already know they don't value there own life, so they would be happy to wear these devices and blow up cities with NO problem.
Believe me, war is *NEVER* the solution to any problem, but you can't FIGHT A WAR WITHOUT DECLARING ONE AND IT IS ABOUT DAMN TIME WE DECLARE A WAR AGAINST THE CRIMES OF HUMANITY AS THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW THE UNITED STATES IS POLITICALLY.
Everyone has life all wrong. You aren't born into slavery, you adapt it. YOU HAVE THE CHOICE FOR YOUR OWN PATH. If these people are strong because they kill themselves for there faith then WHY CAN'T ANYONE ELSE STAND UP FOR THEMSELVES. Why can't the people of iraq see that Sadam is simply not fit for rulership and oust him? They have arms, they have legs, they supposedly have a brain to think for themselves, but the only thing they do is follow anti us and western propaganda.
Its time we put an end to the misery. Be it war, special ops or whatever, the middle east has to be settled, countries have to be establish and militaries have to be won or defeated. For christs sake, afghan isn't really its own country, but territories fought over by people who don't care about humanity. There are no civilians in war, only the death of innocence.
He lives in the mountains but he obviously has high tech survalence equipemnt, ENCRYTPED satelite phones and internet access in countries that strictly forbade such access.
Governments are side tracking there own laws to provide for these terrorists. It is sickening. Bin laden can just be the icon for everyone else fighting the war, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't go after him.
Just like when you poison the anthill in your backyard, you feed the worker ants to bring the poison to the queen ant from which the whole hill will die. That is what we have to do to terrorism since that is what terrorists are trying to do with us.
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Its not how far will you go, but how much will you take. People have been smashing glass and busting heads for years, that isn't the problem. People don't go on suicide missions into the sides of 110 story buildings killing 10's of thousands of people.
there is a difference. were not killing the school bully, were not killing the hells angels, were not killing the kkk and were not killing any group for what they are, only in what they do. we have no association with the ira, they didn't bomb us, threat us or hinder our democracy.
no killing spree, just an end to the spree
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You always have to think smart, but there is only so much a group of people can think about.
What happens next time it is in your car? Are you going to install metal detectors in your garage and not allow any luggage in cars/buses or vans anymore?
What happens whenever it turns out to be a Chevron 18 wheeler, not knowingly driving down i95 intersection into loop 695 in the densely populated/gridlock area of BWI/DC blowing up? Are gas trucks going to have to be monitored, tracked? Are truck drivers gonna cary guns and knives now?
NO, were gonna kill the mother f*ckers that put cause TERROR. No ifs ands or buts about it. We aren't gonna put feer and persecution into every muslim, and they're well aware of that. The us has NEVER persecuted anyone.
The fact that they killed many more nationalities then just "US" citizens when they blew up the buildings and massacred all the people on the planes should have hit them home. They didn't care. Obviously they don't value life, or else they wouldn't do cowardly suicide missions. Atleast with the "kamakozy" like people have said before, you saw an airplane with a red dot on it coming straight at you, it wasn't a United Airlines flight you here and see on a daily basis. You know your enemies, and it is time we stand up to these "unknown" enemies and FIGHT BACK.
If the citizens of these countries have to harbor them or don't care that they leave in fear then that is THERE CHOICE. No one deserves to die, especially people who just showed up to work or were flying in a plane. You have to do something about it.
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Not only will the red cross be there to support the families and people in NYC, it will be there through any distastor small or large.
One of these days i may need the support of red cross, or any one of us for that matter. Thanks for making your contribution.
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I'll probably get flamed, but anyway my perception on this whole issue is that it simply NEEDS to be solved.
This isn't Vietnam as some people are concerned or try and make it appear as. We aren't fighting to help another country; we are fighting to put an end to violence and attacks against the United States as well as the MANY Democratic nations now in fear of terrorism. Our boys won't be helping another country fight its own wars. We will be united with other democratic nations eradication terrorism and terroristic countries.
People say the US supported Bin for his wars against Russia and therefore it is double standard for us to do anything against him, it isn't as if Bin laden hasn't done this against his own countries as well. Through the PBS.org website you can see a great interview with people familiar with Bin Laden who give his intriguing history of why nobody wants this man alive or in there country. Friends and foes never remain the same forever and just life friends and foes, politics and nations change.
Terrorism is a war. We are not going to "terrorize" Afghanistan, Syria or any Islamic/middle eastern country by making people fear for there life, we are going to send troops, jets, and yes BOMBS against the militants who use very very very cowardly acts as there way of fighting wars. Suicide is very cowardly, if you don't have the guts to face your enemies face to face and fight for what you believe is true then you are cowardly. These people who invoke terror and fear through suicidal bombings are cowards and at they same time they are militant people who need to be treated as a military and responded to accordinly.
It won't make us any better to make ends meat and try and justify our means to the militant anti American/anti democratic Islam nations to make everything better; they won't change their minds for generations to come. It will take fighting, it will take reform, and it will take power to get rid of terrorists and terroristic nations. Islam isn't politics it's religion. Western politics, beliefs and religion doesn't necesarily interfere with Islamic beliefs as a hole, but to people like Bin Laden and his followers, it is a holy war and thus the US needs to react to this WAR THREAT and either give in or DESTROY IT. Again, I know lots of Islamic people, I have worked with many; As a religion they don't hate Americans and infact they respect humans and life. It is just the belief of these militant groups that have anti American and western beliefs. So don't go knocking your islamic/middle eastern neighbors just because they're religion. They aren't the ones fighting the war against us.
We aren't going to aim for innocent people; we aren't going to aim to ruin governments WHO DON'T HARBOR OR SUPPORT TERRORISTS. We aren't enslaving people or fighting for religious beliefs, we are fighting for our freedoms and democracy. As long as we live in fear of terror and terrorism we will never truly have our freedoms and democracy.
War is what these militants want, war is what they will get. Had Bin Laden wanted political or religious means to end this fighting he could have worked that out. He *MUST* be eradicated EVEN IF IT WASN'T HE WHO DID THIS. There is no lesser of the evils when it comes to terrorist. They SHOULD ALL BE DESTROYED no matter what at what cost, since cost isn't an issue when regarded against our freedoms and humanity as a whole. The US will not justify its means based on religion and beliefs as these terrorists do against us. The US will justify it's war against terrorists and terrorism to protect our country and democracy across the world.
No man should live in fear for his beliefs, and no man should instill fear in others for his beliefs.
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"And for the "Hollywood education" comment, when's the last time you went to a shooting range with retired marines, police officers and NRA certified teachers?
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Obviously your a fanatic and lost all credibility with that statement.
1) Those people in the plane weren't marines with some kind of militaristic perogative
2) They obviosly weren't police officers armed with guns
3). NRA certified teachers? Thats like telling me i should listen to KKK Certified teachers.
Incase you didn't hear from the phone calls people DID try and communicate and did say "we are going to die, so i am going to try and stop this"..
Your a moron. Go back to your squirrel hunting and coon pie eating town.
I pay taxes and support a military because they are there to protect me. I don't care for the right to bare arms and i care for the right to LIVE.
I'd much rather give up the right to own a gun then give up the rights of our children to now have to be subject to search & seizure, medal detecters and everything else HAVING A GUN causes.
You forget that it wasn't a freaking KNIFE that killed people, it was the plane. Have you ever flown? If you saw someone being stabbed to death and they're saying they got a bomb what would you do? Remembering that *MOST* previous hijackings landed somewhere and *MOST* people lived, odd are you would take you chances and cooperate.
Most "Civilians" don't want to die, and i'm sure the events prior to the crash were the most gruesome and disturbing endings all 266 of those people could have.
So take your ramblings elsewhere. Your forgetting what it is like to be alive
With the request of many radio stations and mass emails going around, i too hope you will wear red, white and blue tommorow and replace your favorite sports flag with the american flag.
If not for the "pledge" to the united states, then do it for the honor, valour and unity of everyone working together.
Being closed source does not mean microsoft is a monopoly.
I'd much rather see the sourcecode something else. Most people PAY for microsoft's OS because they don't want to worry about anything accept getting there job done and going home.
They could care less if linux is free or the merits of either OS.
Try removing konquerer from KDE, you can't. You would be ripping out Kparts and then your kmail would blow up and knews would barf and your KFM would be a pathetic filemanager instead of a powerfull object manager (for whichever type of objects kparts supports be it news, ftp, http whatnot).
I'm sorry, but the internet has become a part of the PC revolution and a part of the Operating system. Rip TCPIP out of linux, make it an installable module and then rip httpd/ftp/nntp support out of KDE and make it a seperate module and then you can preach about the lesser of the evils.
Until then, this is utter nonsense. Microsoft wasn't busted because of its browser, it was because of its OEM price locking and fixing of contracts, but ANYONE could have done that had they tried and marketed themselves to be able to do it.
Nonsense..
I don't even claim what microsoft did as far as BUSINESS PRACTICES are concerned was remotely right, but they sure as hell hit the nail on the head with Windows 2000 and Windows XP. You can't get much better then that.
You can't "Use" linux without a compiler! What good is an open source os when you can't COMPILE THE FREAKING CODE?
KDE Comes with Konq, you can download Netscape
Windows comes with IE, you can download netscape
Gnome comes with something, you can download netscape.
A browser is an operating environment in of itself, so why shouldn't it be included as part of an OS? And just because it was a free upgrade doesn't mean it was wrong either.. you can download linux, freebsd or even browsers for OS/2, Amiga, and Macintosh for "Free".
What microsoft got in trouble for was OEM locking, price locking and other corporate sneaks of which were stopped years ago when OS/2 Advocates made people aware of the problems.
I'm sorry, but bundling software is not illegal nor monopolistic.
Since KFM, Konq and all the email, news and gadgets are all based on the same libraries, should it be removed?
It is called INTEGRATION my friend. Microsoft Office will soon be running in that browser you think they should package outside the OS.
The way the market is going, i'd hate to be any tech company.. redhat lost 50 cents, and thats like a big percentage when your only worth 3 bucks a share.
Caldera is dying..
Turbolinux is restructuring..
NO way va linux will survive..
Only option? Some people start paying for what they use and then someone can pay there bills and employees!
Missing your points 1,2, and 3 are missing 99% of what people use a computer for.
My dad 1) Plays games, 2) Sets up education programs for my brothers in school 3) Does his taxes & finances.
The productivity packages are a joke right now. If you though windows crashed alot, use Koffice for 8 hours during your workday. TRY to use Star office for 8 hours a day.
About the mexican government, until they give there citizens freedoms and protection and basic rights i could care less if they're trying to save money on software that is just going to be used to fund some drug warlord or crackheads addiction.
Software as freedom is a joke. Freedom ISN'T. I'm free to use Windows, I'm free to use Linux. Linux isn't free, time isn't free, cost doesn't mean squat.
If thecost is several hours a day being a sysadmin to run my applications then that is more then powering up windows, running my applications and then going home and hitting the trails on my mountain bike.
You want to know why windows is less secure? because people running windows could care less about the virtual world of security. They want to get the job done and do something meaningfull with there time or they want to get the job done and have FUN doing it at the same time. Amiga, Mac's and Windows PC's all worked at that concept. They all had great games, great looking OS and plenty of support behind them.
Linux is just non existant for a desktop os.. and if you believe it is great right now, then you my friend are a die hard command line person and shouldn't be commenting on desktop usability.
free software is great, but i'd rather have VALUE in my software and Value in my VALUES rather then the ultra simplistic value that software has to be free.
Don't know about you, but 20 days up there would be perfect.
All i would need is a teliscope, binocolars, food, bathroom and some music...
Wouldn't be enough time to study the heavons without the bluryness of the atmosphere, wouldn't be enough time to aww at the planet under you. Wouldn't be enough time to let your imagination consume you.
When did microsoft ever sue anyone for finding a hole in the OS?
I find tons of articles, researches and legit businesses in the us where the sole purpose is to research, discover, patch and fix these risks.
On the other hand, if you break copyright laws it doesn't matter which OS you do it under, it is still "illegal".. not that i agree with the DMCA but your blinded by your beliefs in linux as being a legal place to do illegal work
1) IBM Products
2) Oracle Products
3) Commercial Software.
Suse knows linux is an operating system. Suse is very stable yet ahead of the game compared to US based distros.
If i use Suse linux i can replace expensive NT and Solaris servers running Oracle 9iAS and Databases. Redhat, many times over has told me to buy there 2,500.00 Redhat for Oracle (which is 6.0 based and pretty crappy) and do all sorts of hacks to get any recent rdbms working.
On the other hand, sude made sure that 7.0, 7.1 and 7.2 works with these commercials apps because that is where they get the demand for the OS.
Believe me, free software doesn't demand anything, but business requirments do. Redhat database doesn't cut it for anything other then a website and frankly, its very microsoft of Redhat to try and produce everything under the sun for there os.
So yeah, under suse you can run Domino, DB2, Oracle 9ias, Oracle 9i, Oracle8, oracle forms and reports, oracle forms developer and all the crap every other distro supports.
And usually people pay for OS support when business software relies on it.
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"Consider for a moment what a group of determined people with nothing left to live for and no lives to preserve anywhere anymore could do (think filo viruses). "
SO letting them run free to do what they wish against any democratic nation is better then fighting a war against these people?
The world is for humanity, these few terrorists are not. This is a war for humanity. This wasn't a strike against a powerfull nation, it was a strike against civilians, humanity, and against there own people. These murderers have to realize that yes, they destroyed an american icon, but at the same time they killed hundres of italians, hispanics, brits, irish and MANY MANY OF THERE OWN PEOPLE. Yet they show no remorse.
The US isn't going to hijack there own planes and send them crashing into civilian workplaces. Were just going to send in our military to kill people who try to kill us.
We don't fight terrorism now, we never will. People for years have tried to politically, educationaly and motivationaly help other countries with absolutely NO RESPONSE. Throwing books, preaching values and ethics gets no where for countries, nations and people WHO DON'T VALUE LIFE OR HUMANITY TO BEGIN WITH.
PEOPLE WHO DON'T VALUE "HUMANITY" ARE NOT PEOPLE. PEOPLE IN PAKISTAN AND AFGHAN SHOULD STAND UP FOR HUMANITY AND FIGHT TERRORISM THEMSELVES.
But they don't. THey choose to live like rats. I can't say it any other way. It isn't about what america does/did or WILL DO. IT IS ABOUT HOW THESE SO CALLED NATIONS WILLL PROTECT THEMSELVES AND PROTECT HUMANITY.
NO matter your race, skin color, nationality or religion, we are all humans. THESE PEOPLE DON'T RECOGNIZE THAT FACT and therefore don't recognize education, politics, humanity and respect as a solution to there problem, and they NEVER WILL.
I guess you just want to let them run rampant to have there own problems. Well, once the afghans and terrorists start another war with pakistan and get control of there SUCESSFULL NUCLEAR STOCKPILE it will be TOO LATE FOR US TO REACT. We already know they don't value there own life, so they would be happy to wear these devices and blow up cities with NO problem.
Believe me, war is *NEVER* the solution to any problem, but you can't FIGHT A WAR WITHOUT DECLARING ONE AND IT IS ABOUT DAMN TIME WE DECLARE A WAR AGAINST THE CRIMES OF HUMANITY AS THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW THE UNITED STATES IS POLITICALLY.
Everyone has life all wrong. You aren't born into slavery, you adapt it. YOU HAVE THE CHOICE FOR YOUR OWN PATH. If these people are strong because they kill themselves for there faith then WHY CAN'T ANYONE ELSE STAND UP FOR THEMSELVES. Why can't the people of iraq see that Sadam is simply not fit for rulership and oust him? They have arms, they have legs, they supposedly have a brain to think for themselves, but the only thing they do is follow anti us and western propaganda.
Its time we put an end to the misery. Be it war, special ops or whatever, the middle east has to be settled, countries have to be establish and militaries have to be won or defeated. For christs sake, afghan isn't really its own country, but territories fought over by people who don't care about humanity. There are no civilians in war, only the death of innocence.
He lives in the mountains but he obviously has high tech survalence equipemnt, ENCRYTPED satelite phones and internet access in countries that strictly forbade such access.
Governments are side tracking there own laws to provide for these terrorists. It is sickening. Bin laden can just be the icon for everyone else fighting the war, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't go after him.
Just like when you poison the anthill in your backyard, you feed the worker ants to bring the poison to the queen ant from which the whole hill will die. That is what we have to do to terrorism since that is what terrorists are trying to do with us.
Its not how far will you go, but how much will you take. People have been smashing glass and busting heads for years, that isn't the problem. People don't go on suicide missions into the sides of 110 story buildings killing 10's of thousands of people.
there is a difference. were not killing the school bully, were not killing the hells angels, were not killing the kkk and were not killing any group for what they are, only in what they do. we have no association with the ira, they didn't bomb us, threat us or hinder our democracy.
no killing spree, just an end to the spree
You always have to think smart, but there is only so much a group of people can think about.
What happens next time it is in your car? Are you going to install metal detectors in your garage and not allow any luggage in cars/buses or vans anymore?
What happens whenever it turns out to be a Chevron 18 wheeler, not knowingly driving down i95 intersection into loop 695 in the densely populated/gridlock area of BWI/DC blowing up? Are gas trucks going to have to be monitored, tracked? Are truck drivers gonna cary guns and knives now?
NO, were gonna kill the mother f*ckers that put cause TERROR. No ifs ands or buts about it. We aren't gonna put feer and persecution into every muslim, and they're well aware of that. The us has NEVER persecuted anyone.
The fact that they killed many more nationalities then just "US" citizens when they blew up the buildings and massacred all the people on the planes should have hit them home. They didn't care. Obviously they don't value life, or else they wouldn't do cowardly suicide missions. Atleast with the "kamakozy" like people have said before, you saw an airplane with a red dot on it coming straight at you, it wasn't a United Airlines flight you here and see on a daily basis. You know your enemies, and it is time we stand up to these "unknown" enemies and FIGHT BACK.
If the citizens of these countries have to harbor them or don't care that they leave in fear then that is THERE CHOICE. No one deserves to die, especially people who just showed up to work or were flying in a plane. You have to do something about it.
Personally, i want to thank everyone donating to the redcross at amazon.com and everyone helping in anyway possible they can.
Not only will the red cross be there to support the families and people in NYC, it will be there through any distastor small or large.
One of these days i may need the support of red cross, or any one of us for that matter. Thanks for making your contribution.
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I'll probably get flamed, but anyway my perception on this whole issue is that it simply NEEDS to be solved.
This isn't Vietnam as some people are concerned or try and make it appear as. We aren't fighting to help another country; we are fighting to put an end to violence and attacks against the United States as well as the MANY Democratic nations now in fear of terrorism. Our boys won't be helping another country fight its own wars. We will be united with other democratic nations eradication terrorism and terroristic countries.
People say the US supported Bin for his wars against Russia and therefore it is double standard for us to do anything against him, it isn't as if Bin laden hasn't done this against his own countries as well. Through the PBS.org website you can see a great interview with people familiar with Bin Laden who give his intriguing history of why nobody wants this man alive or in there country. Friends and foes never remain the same forever and just life friends and foes, politics and nations change.
Terrorism is a war. We are not going to "terrorize" Afghanistan, Syria or any Islamic/middle eastern country by making people fear for there life, we are going to send troops, jets, and yes BOMBS against the militants who use very very very cowardly acts as there way of fighting wars. Suicide is very cowardly, if you don't have the guts to face your enemies face to face and fight for what you believe is true then you are cowardly. These people who invoke terror and fear through suicidal bombings are cowards and at they same time they are militant people who need to be treated as a military and responded to accordinly.
It won't make us any better to make ends meat and try and justify our means to the militant anti American/anti democratic Islam nations to make everything better; they won't change their minds for generations to come. It will take fighting, it will take reform, and it will take power to get rid of terrorists and terroristic nations. Islam isn't politics it's religion. Western politics, beliefs and religion doesn't necesarily interfere with Islamic beliefs as a hole, but to people like Bin Laden and his followers, it is a holy war and thus the US needs to react to this WAR THREAT and either give in or DESTROY IT. Again, I know lots of Islamic people, I have worked with many; As a religion they don't hate Americans and infact they respect humans and life. It is just the belief of these militant groups that have anti American and western beliefs. So don't go knocking your islamic/middle eastern neighbors just because they're religion. They aren't the ones fighting the war against us.
We aren't going to aim for innocent people; we aren't going to aim to ruin governments WHO DON'T HARBOR OR SUPPORT TERRORISTS. We aren't enslaving people or fighting for religious beliefs, we are fighting for our freedoms and democracy. As long as we live in fear of terror and terrorism we will never truly have our freedoms and democracy.
War is what these militants want, war is what they will get. Had Bin Laden wanted political or religious means to end this fighting he could have worked that out. He *MUST* be eradicated EVEN IF IT WASN'T HE WHO DID THIS. There is no lesser of the evils when it comes to terrorist. They SHOULD ALL BE DESTROYED no matter what at what cost, since cost isn't an issue when regarded against our freedoms and humanity as a whole. The US will not justify its means based on religion and beliefs as these terrorists do against us. The US will justify it's war against terrorists and terrorism to protect our country and democracy across the world.
No man should live in fear for his beliefs, and no man should instill fear in others for his beliefs.
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Another Coward with nothing better to say??
Not everyone has absolute faith in this country, but you can have faith in many people coming together and uniting to help out one another..
but i guess thats wrong for you.. too much of a pussy to post with a name of anysorts since you obviously don't stand by your opinions.
"And for the "Hollywood education" comment, when's the last time you went to a shooting range with retired marines, police officers and NRA certified teachers?
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Obviously your a fanatic and lost all credibility with that statement.
1) Those people in the plane weren't marines with some kind of militaristic perogative
2) They obviosly weren't police officers armed with guns
3). NRA certified teachers? Thats like telling me i should listen to KKK Certified teachers.
Incase you didn't hear from the phone calls people DID try and communicate and did say "we are going to die, so i am going to try and stop this"..
Martial law doesn't do anything for you.
Your a moron. Go back to your squirrel hunting and coon pie eating town.
I pay taxes and support a military because they are there to protect me. I don't care for the right to bare arms and i care for the right to LIVE.
I'd much rather give up the right to own a gun then give up the rights of our children to now have to be subject to search & seizure, medal detecters and everything else HAVING A GUN causes.
You forget that it wasn't a freaking KNIFE that killed people, it was the plane. Have you ever flown? If you saw someone being stabbed to death and they're saying they got a bomb what would you do? Remembering that *MOST* previous hijackings landed somewhere and *MOST* people lived, odd are you would take you chances and cooperate.
Most "Civilians" don't want to die, and i'm sure the events prior to the crash were the most gruesome and disturbing endings all 266 of those people could have.
So take your ramblings elsewhere. Your forgetting what it is like to be alive
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binl aden/interviews/al-fagih.html#alqaeda
Very interesting interview about someone familiar with Bin Laden and his followers.
At the very bottom of the page, it asks "Secondly, does the average American worker in an office in New York or Washington have reason to fear?"
Scary stuff! 2 years ago someone feared for the exact 2 cities that were hit!
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Interesting post about s11 efforts in groups.google.com.
Sure is a strange group.. dunno if they're tied in, but one hell of a conspiracy theory
With the request of many radio stations and mass emails going around, i too hope you will wear red, white and blue tommorow and replace your favorite sports flag with the american flag.
If not for the "pledge" to the united states, then do it for the honor, valour and unity of everyone working together.
jeezus christ slashdot makes me FUCKEN SICK to my stomach when something is humerous in a VERY NON HUMOROUS EVENT
Being closed source does not mean microsoft is a monopoly.
I'd much rather see the sourcecode something else. Most people PAY for microsoft's OS because they don't want to worry about anything accept getting there job done and going home.
They could care less if linux is free or the merits of either OS.
It is still fun to build a whole city and then turn on all disasters and monsters only to watch it burn to hell :)
Your on crack.
Try removing konquerer from KDE, you can't. You would be ripping out Kparts and then your kmail would blow up and knews would barf and your KFM would be a pathetic filemanager instead of a powerfull object manager (for whichever type of objects kparts supports be it news, ftp, http whatnot).
I'm sorry, but the internet has become a part of the PC revolution and a part of the Operating system. Rip TCPIP out of linux, make it an installable module and then rip httpd/ftp/nntp support out of KDE and make it a seperate module and then you can preach about the lesser of the evils.
Until then, this is utter nonsense. Microsoft wasn't busted because of its browser, it was because of its OEM price locking and fixing of contracts, but ANYONE could have done that had they tried and marketed themselves to be able to do it.
Nonsense..
I don't even claim what microsoft did as far as BUSINESS PRACTICES are concerned was remotely right, but they sure as hell hit the nail on the head with Windows 2000 and Windows XP. You can't get much better then that.
KDE Comes with Konq, you can download Netscape
Windows comes with IE, you can download netscape
Gnome comes with something, you can download netscape.
A browser is an operating environment in of itself, so why shouldn't it be included as part of an OS? And just because it was a free upgrade doesn't mean it was wrong either.. you can download linux, freebsd or even browsers for OS/2, Amiga, and Macintosh for "Free".
What microsoft got in trouble for was OEM locking, price locking and other corporate sneaks of which were stopped years ago when OS/2 Advocates made people aware of the problems.
I'm sorry, but bundling software is not illegal nor monopolistic.
Since KFM, Konq and all the email, news and gadgets are all based on the same libraries, should it be removed?
It is called INTEGRATION my friend. Microsoft Office will soon be running in that browser you think they should package outside the OS.
The way the market is going, i'd hate to be any tech company.. redhat lost 50 cents, and thats like a big percentage when your only worth 3 bucks a share.
Caldera is dying..
Turbolinux is restructuring..
NO way va linux will survive..
Only option? Some people start paying for what they use and then someone can pay there bills and employees!
Missing your points 1,2, and 3 are missing 99% of what people use a computer for.
My dad 1) Plays games, 2) Sets up education programs for my brothers in school 3) Does his taxes & finances.
The productivity packages are a joke right now. If you though windows crashed alot, use Koffice for 8 hours during your workday. TRY to use Star office for 8 hours a day.
About the mexican government, until they give there citizens freedoms and protection and basic rights i could care less if they're trying to save money on software that is just going to be used to fund some drug warlord or crackheads addiction.
Software as freedom is a joke. Freedom ISN'T. I'm free to use Windows, I'm free to use Linux. Linux isn't free, time isn't free, cost doesn't mean squat.
If thecost is several hours a day being a sysadmin to run my applications then that is more then powering up windows, running my applications and then going home and hitting the trails on my mountain bike.
You want to know why windows is less secure? because people running windows could care less about the virtual world of security. They want to get the job done and do something meaningfull with there time or they want to get the job done and have FUN doing it at the same time. Amiga, Mac's and Windows PC's all worked at that concept. They all had great games, great looking OS and plenty of support behind them.
Linux is just non existant for a desktop os.. and if you believe it is great right now, then you my friend are a die hard command line person and shouldn't be commenting on desktop usability.
free software is great, but i'd rather have VALUE in my software and Value in my VALUES rather then the ultra simplistic value that software has to be free.
pardon my spelling but i'm taking 4 different prescriptions for sinus infection and allergies that are knocking me off my feet.
Don't know about you, but 20 days up there would be perfect.
All i would need is a teliscope, binocolars, food, bathroom and some music...
Wouldn't be enough time to study the heavons without the bluryness of the atmosphere, wouldn't be enough time to aww at the planet under you. Wouldn't be enough time to let your imagination consume you.
But it would be a blast, and far from boring.
Any computer with a floppy disk or bootable CDRom is at risk.
(or even an ethernet bootable machine)
(or a machine on dhcp with anytype of nis/directory server authentication).
or...
When did microsoft ever sue anyone for finding a hole in the OS?
I find tons of articles, researches and legit businesses in the us where the sole purpose is to research, discover, patch and fix these risks.
On the other hand, if you break copyright laws it doesn't matter which OS you do it under, it is still "illegal".. not that i agree with the DMCA but your blinded by your beliefs in linux as being a legal place to do illegal work
Suse is the only distro that will support
1) IBM Products
2) Oracle Products
3) Commercial Software.
Suse knows linux is an operating system. Suse is very stable yet ahead of the game compared to US based distros.
If i use Suse linux i can replace expensive NT and Solaris servers running Oracle 9iAS and Databases. Redhat, many times over has told me to buy there 2,500.00 Redhat for Oracle (which is 6.0 based and pretty crappy) and do all sorts of hacks to get any recent rdbms working.
On the other hand, sude made sure that 7.0, 7.1 and 7.2 works with these commercials apps because that is where they get the demand for the OS.
Believe me, free software doesn't demand anything, but business requirments do. Redhat database doesn't cut it for anything other then a website and frankly, its very microsoft of Redhat to try and produce everything under the sun for there os.
So yeah, under suse you can run Domino, DB2, Oracle 9ias, Oracle 9i, Oracle8, oracle forms and reports, oracle forms developer and all the crap every other distro supports.
And usually people pay for OS support when business software relies on it.