Obviously you come from an X86 world where failure is normal.
Unreliability isn't inherent with consolidation, its inherent with ineptness.
If 100% uptime and reliability is what you need then having multiple servers doesn't server you anybetter. You would need duplicate datacenters, redundnat storage arrays, redundant power, redundant network connections, redundant routers, redundant switches and offsite support. When your talking about something like that, its cheaper to Buy an E10k maxes out that gets 99.99999 percent uptime and lease recovery center hardware & provisions from experts in the field like Sungard and such.
Right now 64bit computing is simply for high end workstations and servers.
Databases, for those of you who don't know are extreme memory hogs and 64 bit memory space is necessary for most large systems. NT or Linux this is a nice feature.
Video editing/rendering - having this much memory is nice + floating point = fast!
I know exxon will love them, geophysics isn't easy on 32 bit systems when utilizing holographic imagery and trying to produce maps of oil.
Microsoft just has an easy interface for how things work. 64 bit in some form or fashion has been aroiund for a while in solaris, again mainly for a server os. Irix has had it, and again they're for the graphics/producing bit.
SO NT will just fill it's niche.
I have no idea what good linux on itanium is. can only get mysql to go so quick, pgsql doesn't support 64 bit as far as i know and not much for high end graphics. May be good for a rendering farm i guess?
Atleast with SGI & NT/XP/2k you got lots of visualization, data manipulation, mapping and extrapolation type applications. Sun has its share.
So i don't know why people dis it. You aren't going to run Office on the sucker and if you do who cares if its on par with a PIII, a PIII is still fast emulated or not.
Its just nice to know 64 bits is around the corner. With memory and CPU prices falling through the roof its only a matter of time before consumers (gamers / coders and tech heads) upgrade to 64 bit systems.
Dude, the microsoft tax dissapeared like 2 years ago. What planet are you on these days?
http://www.pricewatch.com is full of 100's of thousands of vendors that will sell you a pc with linux, without linux with nt without nt or with whatever the hell you want.
You don't pay no microsoft tax unless your gullable enough to do so. If you buy from Dell, Compaq, IBM, gateway or any wintel vendor then what do you expect?
Buy hardware from Penguincomputing if you want linux.
BTW, AOL is more then c:\aol 6.0. You also have to goto the control panel, click add remove, click on system software, click on internet and uncheck the aol from there as well as goto c:\windows and delete aol installer in there and then you have to regedit the system because the aol installer leaveas all the info in there as well.
but were getting off topic. Just like i can say nothanks to an AOL cd at block buster you can say nothanks to Microsoft at the computer store.
I hardly see microsoft adds unless i buy a computer magazine. Hell, i get Maxim and freaking AOL disk is in there, i get a playboy and AOL is in there, i goto the movies and AOL has advertising everywhere. You watch closing credits and AOL is featured (since timewarner merged).
You watch tv and tons of aol commercials.
ANd yes, with a us population of residential mailboxes that AOL spams i'd say they're pretty much screwing up this planet with impossible to decompose & waiste full cd's and hard packaging.
i bought a monitor and it came with aol, i bought a motherboard and it came with aol, i bought tickets to a dave mathews concert and on the back was freaking you know what.. aol.
AOL owns a vast internet presence, AOL is the largest media presence on the net and with time warner, AOL owns the majority of the news networks (ala cnn.. ala time warner).
your forced to see aol everywhere..
Microsoft simply write/publish and operating system that is easy to use and is in demand everywhere.
i don't go to the crapper at dave & busters to see aol adverts on the pottie tvs.
but enough.. aol sucks.. microsoft sucks, linux sucks.. everyone should have used os2:)
Actually you can uninstall windows media player, but that is like ripping aRts out of KDE or soundserver out of gnome, it just wouldn't work right.
Think of media player as the sound server for Windows. What is wrong that it has an interface as well for playing files?
Winamp, Quicktime, Real Audio/Video and a buttload of others work great under Win2k, and XP.
You can remove the icons, much like you can for linux. BUt removing the functionality means removing support for that media type.
Now why would you want to remove it to begin with? If you implement a theme in 192bit mp3 audio, high res video and whatnot, the sound will rely on the media player libraries and api's to play.
Just like you have to upgrade from Redhat 6.2 to Redhat 7.1 to get full use of the latest glibc without going through hell, you have to do the same for windows.
You could have bought Windows Media player and adobe premier instead of Buying windows 98 but that would have cost more then the upgrade price.
Windows me believe it or not did have some changes in the background, as far as device drivers, software included, and features. It offered dialup sharing, media recording/playback, better image editor, better styles.
Win95 sucked, Win95 OSR2 was sweet
Win98 Sucked, Win98 SE2 was sweet
Windows NT 3.51 sucked, NT 4.0 + sp3 was sweeet
Windows 2000, finally got something somewhat right.
Much like Redhat 6.0 sucked, redhat 6.1 sucked less, redhat 6.2 is sweeeet.
Redhat 7.0 sucked, redhat 7.1 still sucks but the beta 7.2 is swweeeeeeeet.
If you bough the distro's it is the same BS. Redhat 7.2 has a better kde, better multimedia support, better kernel.
after all, that is ALL part of what your paying for!
Actually for the cost of Windows ME you got better multimedia, a video recoding package and seevral other enhancements.
If you feel this way about microsoft, then you most certainly wouldn't dare to support a commercial distro of linux since fear not, it is merely a repackged upgrade of something you get for free already.
Someone has to make money, someone has to push technology and someone has to provide timely products, enhancements and versions.
sure, windows me sucked, but so did redhat 6.0, caldera linux 3.0, suse, 7.0, Mandrake 7.0...
the list goes on and on. After all the crappy linux distro's ive spent my time and money on i'd say the few bucks on microsoft windows and OS/2 has more then paid off.
Last time i asked Redhat about Real Audio they said they don't support proprietary software. (ie, they don't test there distro to see if non source based sofwtare works at all.. considered to be proprietary.. most amusing statement i've heard and the reason MANY companies won't use it)
So why is it wrong for microsoft to do the same? After all the windows media format is public knowledge with excellent SDK, server tools and media tools available.
Again, you don't have to buy a PC with windows on it, so how is microsoft any worse? As far as i know since computers have evolved there has always been a choice of operating systems and hardware from Sun to Apple to Amiga to Commodore to IBM to AIX to OS/2 to Whatever Unix you want to Geos to DOS to Novell to PC DOS to MSDOS.
So now that Redhat includes a CD Recording program, Image editing, Multimedia and tons of other crap for FREE isn't that putting all the other developers at a disadvantage?
Atleat microsoft pays its employees, buys up the companies it utilizes and backs the product with stable releases.
Hell, redhat or any linux runs great if you just run linux crap included. But when you try and Run Oracle 8.1.7 or Try running Jbuilder or J2see stuff from sun or Star Office or *ANY* commercial program it is specific to kernerl X, GLIBC Y, release Z. Last time i checked something written for NT works under 2k and XP and well. i give up. You guys are hard headed!
You rent a movie from Blockbuster you get AOL CD's.
You goto the movies and you see AOL/TimeWarner and hear You got mail subliminal messages.
You turn on the nighly news and tons of AOL thrown at you.
I have yet to see MSNBC push MS that much, microsoft doesn't ruin the movies i rent with a bunch of adverts or anything.
Microsoft doesn't put crap in every magazine i read.
AOL by far causes me more HARM and the environment MORE HARM then 10,000 microsoft's put together.
And yes, you buy a PC from Dell, IBM or anyone for that matter and it COMES WITH AOL.. you like it or not. When you uninstall it as well it just removes the icons and leaves the programs.. "just in case you need it".
On the other hand YOU can make a choice and buy a PC with Linux on it now can't you? Microsoft doesn't stop that.. But people sue microsoft so they can bloat the OS with there crap.
On the other hand, why would slashdot claim to be news for nerds, stuff that matters?
I admin 5 Solaris Boxen, 20+ databases, 2 financial application 11i instances, 1 10.7 instance, and 4-5 custom applications.
I have one linux box that i screw around with. All this news with linux is old news.
So why the headling "news for nerds, stuff that matters"
when
1) a new email program means squat
2) working for someone for a chance to win a prize is a joke
3) mozilla still sucks compared to Opera and IE
4) linux is linux, you can't deny it. We know rob likes it.
5) you already know.
Fact of the matter is there is alot more in "geekdom" and "nerds" then just linux and thinkgeek.
Take the Xfree86 & solaris topic. Every good idea was shot down saying linux already does it. Well that article wasn't about linux doing it, it was about solaris doing it. Xfree86 isn't linux nor is linux xfree86.
just rambling. but it would be nice if slashdot got back to its grass roots. believe me, after a days worth of reading you know this place is biased, but now it is simply a joke.
A) Being a hidden auditor of everything slashdot
B) Not doing anything change the problem.
The problem is, people think that this is a weblog and fairly moderated.
1. Most mod points go to jokes - har har funny funny, we have heard it before.
2. Other mod points go to karma hunters posting links or mirroring articles.
3. Good articles with REAL opinions are moderated up and then flamebaited and then modded up and flaim bated again.
I think if slashdot wants to be unbiased then an article starts out at 1, can only get modded Down ONCE, modded up 4 times and therefore if SOMEONE likes your idea its modded up, and if someone doesn't like it it is only modded down, but it would take more people understanding the topic to mod up then more people trying to screw things up modding it down.
Slashdot is far from the fair weblog you conceive.
1). The complete GCC toolchain is available for Solaris SPARC and X86 - Free
2). What can you run on a Linux laptop that can't be run on a Solaris Laptop
3). Good for you. But try running an E10k with a 20 terrabyte EMC disk array running 4 fiber channel cards, splitting up the Disk IO and then 4 ethernet ports with 2 for redundant network connections and the other two for high speed private backup network.
Aslo try switching scsi devices, removing a cpu board or adding in a cpu board and memory on your linux box.
It isn't just about what you run on your laptop, it is about what tool you use for whatever your trying to solve.
Solaris X86 isn't the latest and greatest, but it does get Sun 80% of the way to supporting future X86 based hardware such as AMD's sledgehammer and it is a foot in the door in cross compiling knowledge and porting to support Intels Itanium as well.
Plus Solaris X86 is stable. I can upgrade from 2.6, to 2.7, to 2.8 and not have to rebuild, relink, recompile or re-install anything. If i install oracle 8.1.7 on 2.6 and upgrade to 2.8 i won't break anything, mind you there are some patches to install, but unlike Linux i won't have to chase down glibc compat libraries and make sure to edit everything and configure special environment variables if i ever have to relink.
I'll get hammered, but Internet Explorer 6 is out!
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KOffice 1.1 Rolls Out
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Screw my karma, if this was a news for nerds website they would have told the nerds that
Internet Explorer 6.0 is out. http://www.microsoft.com/ie.
It is fast, lean and can i say fast again?
Now back to the topic, Koffice 1.1 is cool, been using the CVS tree for a few weeks. i'm still waiting for the KDE 3/QT 3.0 rewrite before i deploy.
i know.. my submission was cancelled.. how lame is that!
Re:unfortunately, this is just one battle
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This switch probably as 1% to do with Microsoft software. The exchanges are run on Solaris machines. While solaris/sun hardware WAS expensive this appears to be a waiste of resources and time.
For one the TCO of solaris media/operating system is 0 - you can download from www.sun.com, much like linux is 0.
Hardware market is so cutthroat that a Sun server doesn't cost anymore then an X86 based counterpart.
so whats the big deal? a migration to open source platform? You can download the source to solaris.
Re:Wow...score one more HUGE client for IBM.
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· Score: 1
Most exchanges run on Solaris. NT is usually a file server or web server.
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Obviously you come from an X86 world where failure is normal.
Unreliability isn't inherent with consolidation, its inherent with ineptness.
If 100% uptime and reliability is what you need then having multiple servers doesn't server you anybetter. You would need duplicate datacenters, redundnat storage arrays, redundant power, redundant network connections, redundant routers, redundant switches and offsite support. When your talking about something like that, its cheaper to Buy an E10k maxes out that gets 99.99999 percent uptime and lease recovery center hardware & provisions from experts in the field like Sungard and such.
woohoo.. hardly a microsoft story. when ia64 linux was done it was hooorrraaayyy we got something cool..
now microsoft has done it and its
whats the point? who needs 64bit?
hoorrayy..
XP kludgy? huh? Its clean and elegant for a change. 95 was kludgy..
Right now 64bit computing is simply for high end workstations and servers.
Databases, for those of you who don't know are extreme memory hogs and 64 bit memory space is necessary for most large systems. NT or Linux this is a nice feature.
Video editing/rendering - having this much memory is nice + floating point = fast!
I know exxon will love them, geophysics isn't easy on 32 bit systems when utilizing holographic imagery and trying to produce maps of oil.
Microsoft just has an easy interface for how things work. 64 bit in some form or fashion has been aroiund for a while in solaris, again mainly for a server os. Irix has had it, and again they're for the graphics/producing bit.
SO NT will just fill it's niche.
I have no idea what good linux on itanium is. can only get mysql to go so quick, pgsql doesn't support 64 bit as far as i know and not much for high end graphics. May be good for a rendering farm i guess?
Atleast with SGI & NT/XP/2k you got lots of visualization, data manipulation, mapping and extrapolation type applications. Sun has its share.
So i don't know why people dis it. You aren't going to run Office on the sucker and if you do who cares if its on par with a PIII, a PIII is still fast emulated or not.
Its just nice to know 64 bits is around the corner. With memory and CPU prices falling through the roof its only a matter of time before consumers (gamers / coders and tech heads) upgrade to 64 bit systems.
Be it linux, solaris, irix or not.
duh
Dude, the microsoft tax dissapeared like 2 years ago. What planet are you on these days?
:)
http://www.pricewatch.com is full of 100's of thousands of vendors that will sell you a pc with linux, without linux with nt without nt or with whatever the hell you want.
You don't pay no microsoft tax unless your gullable enough to do so. If you buy from Dell, Compaq, IBM, gateway or any wintel vendor then what do you expect?
Buy hardware from Penguincomputing if you want linux.
BTW, AOL is more then c:\aol 6.0. You also have to goto the control panel, click add remove, click on system software, click on internet and uncheck the aol from there as well as goto c:\windows and delete aol installer in there and then you have to regedit the system because the aol installer leaveas all the info in there as well.
but were getting off topic. Just like i can say nothanks to an AOL cd at block buster you can say nothanks to Microsoft at the computer store.
I hardly see microsoft adds unless i buy a computer magazine. Hell, i get Maxim and freaking AOL disk is in there, i get a playboy and AOL is in there, i goto the movies and AOL has advertising everywhere. You watch closing credits and AOL is featured (since timewarner merged).
You watch tv and tons of aol commercials.
ANd yes, with a us population of residential mailboxes that AOL spams i'd say they're pretty much screwing up this planet with impossible to decompose & waiste full cd's and hard packaging.
i bought a monitor and it came with aol, i bought a motherboard and it came with aol, i bought tickets to a dave mathews concert and on the back was freaking you know what.. aol.
AOL owns a vast internet presence, AOL is the largest media presence on the net and with time warner, AOL owns the majority of the news networks (ala cnn.. ala time warner).
your forced to see aol everywhere..
Microsoft simply write/publish and operating system that is easy to use and is in demand everywhere.
i don't go to the crapper at dave & busters to see aol adverts on the pottie tvs.
but enough.. aol sucks.. microsoft sucks, linux sucks.. everyone should have used os2
Actually you can uninstall windows media player, but that is like ripping aRts out of KDE or soundserver out of gnome, it just wouldn't work right.
Think of media player as the sound server for Windows. What is wrong that it has an interface as well for playing files?
Winamp, Quicktime, Real Audio/Video and a buttload of others work great under Win2k, and XP.
You can remove the icons, much like you can for linux. BUt removing the functionality means removing support for that media type.
Now why would you want to remove it to begin with? If you implement a theme in 192bit mp3 audio, high res video and whatnot, the sound will rely on the media player libraries and api's to play.
Hell, media Player + the divx codec is sweet.
Just like you have to upgrade from Redhat 6.2 to Redhat 7.1 to get full use of the latest glibc without going through hell, you have to do the same for windows.
You could have bought Windows Media player and adobe premier instead of Buying windows 98 but that would have cost more then the upgrade price.
Windows me believe it or not did have some changes in the background, as far as device drivers, software included, and features. It offered dialup sharing, media recording/playback, better image editor, better styles.
Win95 sucked, Win95 OSR2 was sweet
Win98 Sucked, Win98 SE2 was sweet
Windows NT 3.51 sucked, NT 4.0 + sp3 was sweeet
Windows 2000, finally got something somewhat right.
Much like Redhat 6.0 sucked, redhat 6.1 sucked less, redhat 6.2 is sweeeet.
Redhat 7.0 sucked, redhat 7.1 still sucks but the beta 7.2 is swweeeeeeeet.
If you bough the distro's it is the same BS. Redhat 7.2 has a better kde, better multimedia support, better kernel.
after all, that is ALL part of what your paying for!
Your playing ignorant to the problem as well. You quote a simple fix for the Linux problem when it is just as simple of a fix for the NT problem.
Test blah.. blahh. fix.. blaah blahh.. test again.. blahh blahh.. production.
each have there own merits and were off topic now from including software to how to fix problems.
Actually for the cost of Windows ME you got better multimedia, a video recoding package and seevral other enhancements.
If you feel this way about microsoft, then you most certainly wouldn't dare to support a commercial distro of linux since fear not, it is merely a repackged upgrade of something you get for free already.
Someone has to make money, someone has to push technology and someone has to provide timely products, enhancements and versions.
sure, windows me sucked, but so did redhat 6.0, caldera linux 3.0, suse, 7.0, Mandrake 7.0...
the list goes on and on. After all the crappy linux distro's ive spent my time and money on i'd say the few bucks on microsoft windows and OS/2 has more then paid off.
Last time i asked Redhat about Real Audio they said they don't support proprietary software. (ie, they don't test there distro to see if non source based sofwtare works at all.. considered to be proprietary.. most amusing statement i've heard and the reason MANY companies won't use it)
So why is it wrong for microsoft to do the same? After all the windows media format is public knowledge with excellent SDK, server tools and media tools available.
Ironic it is illegal for microsoft to give something away for free, but it is fundamental to linux's servival.
buahaha
Again, you don't have to buy a PC with windows on it, so how is microsoft any worse? As far as i know since computers have evolved there has always been a choice of operating systems and hardware from Sun to Apple to Amiga to Commodore to IBM to AIX to OS/2 to Whatever Unix you want to Geos to DOS to Novell to PC DOS to MSDOS.
So now that Redhat includes a CD Recording program, Image editing, Multimedia and tons of other crap for FREE isn't that putting all the other developers at a disadvantage?
Atleat microsoft pays its employees, buys up the companies it utilizes and backs the product with stable releases.
Hell, redhat or any linux runs great if you just run linux crap included. But when you try and Run Oracle 8.1.7 or Try running Jbuilder or J2see stuff from sun or Star Office or *ANY* commercial program it is specific to kernerl X, GLIBC Y, release Z. Last time i checked something written for NT works under 2k and XP and well. i give up. You guys are hard headed!
AOL is on every PC.
.. "just in case you need it".
You rent a movie from Blockbuster you get AOL CD's.
You goto the movies and you see AOL/TimeWarner and hear You got mail subliminal messages.
You turn on the nighly news and tons of AOL thrown at you.
I have yet to see MSNBC push MS that much, microsoft doesn't ruin the movies i rent with a bunch of adverts or anything.
Microsoft doesn't put crap in every magazine i read.
AOL by far causes me more HARM and the environment MORE HARM then 10,000 microsoft's put together.
And yes, you buy a PC from Dell, IBM or anyone for that matter and it COMES WITH AOL.. you like it or not. When you uninstall it as well it just removes the icons and leaves the programs
On the other hand YOU can make a choice and buy a PC with Linux on it now can't you? Microsoft doesn't stop that.. But people sue microsoft so they can bloat the OS with there crap.
what a world we live in!
I find it just the opposite. Browsing at 1 - 2 shows the most inteligent posts.
If they're at 5 they have been here too long and are simply karma whores
If they're at 4 they're praising linux in some fashion
If they're at 3 they got lucky
If they're at 2 then they just are well heard
If they're at 1, then it s a unique opinion that isn't heralded because of who or what they are but simply unique for what they actually said.
-1 is just some funny sh1t. +5 is just bliss ignorance
Well DUH, isn't that what this topic is about?
On the other hand, why would slashdot claim to be news for nerds, stuff that matters?
I admin 5 Solaris Boxen, 20+ databases, 2 financial application 11i instances, 1 10.7 instance, and 4-5 custom applications.
I have one linux box that i screw around with. All this news with linux is old news.
So why the headling "news for nerds, stuff that matters"
when
1) a new email program means squat
2) working for someone for a chance to win a prize is a joke
3) mozilla still sucks compared to Opera and IE
4) linux is linux, you can't deny it. We know rob likes it.
5) you already know.
Fact of the matter is there is alot more in "geekdom" and "nerds" then just linux and thinkgeek.
Take the Xfree86 & solaris topic. Every good idea was shot down saying linux already does it. Well that article wasn't about linux doing it, it was about solaris doing it. Xfree86 isn't linux nor is linux xfree86.
just rambling. but it would be nice if slashdot got back to its grass roots. believe me, after a days worth of reading you know this place is biased, but now it is simply a joke.
CmdrTaco is "harboring" the biased opinions by
A) Being a hidden auditor of everything slashdot
B) Not doing anything change the problem.
The problem is, people think that this is a weblog and fairly moderated.
1. Most mod points go to jokes - har har funny funny, we have heard it before.
2. Other mod points go to karma hunters posting links or mirroring articles.
3. Good articles with REAL opinions are moderated up and then flamebaited and then modded up and flaim bated again.
I think if slashdot wants to be unbiased then an article starts out at 1, can only get modded Down ONCE, modded up 4 times and therefore if SOMEONE likes your idea its modded up, and if someone doesn't like it it is only modded down, but it would take more people understanding the topic to mod up then more people trying to screw things up modding it down.
Slashdot is far from the fair weblog you conceive.
If slashdot was unbiased now, a person wouldn't be a "luser" for running windows.
I'd love to see the slashdot logs and just get a view of what users are coming here on windows vs linux vs bsd vs os2 vs solaris and everything else.
A linux company OWNS you.
You don't post squat about anything BUT linuxInternet Explorer 6.0 is released - no news
Mozilla .9.2.1.0.2.3.6.3.23843 build 29343 gets released and its front page!
If thinkgeek sells it, you think its cool
If amazon sells it, its corporate america after you!
:)
I could go on and on...
Ofcourse you aren't biased, you're just ignorant
lemme guess you and your grandpa are the ones @ the bar by 2:00 everyday because you work for some giant telecomm union?
1). The complete GCC toolchain is available for Solaris SPARC and X86 - Free
2). What can you run on a Linux laptop that can't be run on a Solaris Laptop
3). Good for you. But try running an E10k with a 20 terrabyte EMC disk array running 4 fiber channel cards, splitting up the Disk IO and then 4 ethernet ports with 2 for redundant network connections and the other two for high speed private backup network.
Aslo try switching scsi devices, removing a cpu board or adding in a cpu board and memory on your linux box.
It isn't just about what you run on your laptop, it is about what tool you use for whatever your trying to solve.
Solaris X86 isn't the latest and greatest, but it does get Sun 80% of the way to supporting future X86 based hardware such as AMD's sledgehammer and it is a foot in the door in cross compiling knowledge and porting to support Intels Itanium as well.
Plus Solaris X86 is stable. I can upgrade from 2.6, to 2.7, to 2.8 and not have to rebuild, relink, recompile or re-install anything. If i install oracle 8.1.7 on 2.6 and upgrade to 2.8 i won't break anything, mind you there are some patches to install, but unlike Linux i won't have to chase down glibc compat libraries and make sure to edit everything and configure special environment variables if i ever have to relink.
Screw my karma, if this was a news for nerds website they would have told the nerds that
Internet Explorer 6.0 is out. http://www.microsoft.com/ie.
It is fast, lean and can i say fast again?
Now back to the topic, Koffice 1.1 is cool, been using the CVS tree for a few weeks. i'm still waiting for the KDE 3/QT 3.0 rewrite before i deploy.
i know.. my submission was cancelled.. how lame is that!
This switch probably as 1% to do with Microsoft software. The exchanges are run on Solaris machines. While solaris/sun hardware WAS expensive this appears to be a waiste of resources and time.
For one the TCO of solaris media/operating system is 0 - you can download from www.sun.com, much like linux is 0.
Hardware market is so cutthroat that a Sun server doesn't cost anymore then an X86 based counterpart.
so whats the big deal? a migration to open source platform? You can download the source to solaris.
Most exchanges run on Solaris. NT is usually a file server or web server.