Remember that when you think your getting a steal. DVD players are DVD players for a reason, as are consoles:)
On the other hand, i've left my dreamcast on all night long, and got up in the morning and played a few more hours of crazy taxi with no problems
Oh yeah, Chu Chu rocket is out, and online gaming is here with the DC. PLUS PlanetWeb announced V2.0 of the web browser that support jscript 2.0, MP3 Playback, and a bunch of other nifty features. You can read up more about it at http://dc.ign.com
Hey, i wouldn't mind a PS2, but i love my DC, already have a dvd player, and for christs sake i wouldn't want to use a game controller as a remote for my dvd player:)
so maybe when these 1ghz are pennies to the dollar, they can uses these as controllers for the bus, disk and io subsystems.
It kind of reminds me of amiga, seperating the subsystems and processing through multiple chips.
I think distributed os's and computing is the future! but hey, x86 and sparc architecure and specs are abundant.. when will we see someone run with it and create an open system?
Have you ever used Office 2000? Did you ever see what was out in 1992?. Geez, in 1992 everyone was just upgrading from PFS:Works to some gui product.
Nowadays, with Office 2k, i got dynamic data exchange, ODBC connectivity, easy templates, WYSWIG (wasn't perfected in 1992 quite yet), support for more then 32k records/files. (when your saving history or documents for years on end for auditing reasons, the 1992 software won't cut it).
The list can go on and on. Alot has changed since then people. Mhz = power, and power = control.
He who controlls the spice, controlls the universe. And yes, there is lots that can be done, but it is simply remarkable what has been done.
Remember, some of us slashdot readers were born before 1980 and remember what was around and what has changed.
BUT, this goes along with anything else. To get RedHat Certified, i have to pay for your classes & your training. Even though i could know the ins and outs and have access to all sorts of documentation I still have to be certified to be certified.
Here is what your 2500 membership gets you. "The USB Implementers Forum (USB-IF) was established in 1995 to support and accelerate the market and consumer adoption of USB compliant peripherals. Today, the USB IF has more than 600 member companies and has led the way in helping companies introduce hundreds of USB-compliant products to the market. Members of the USB-IF enjoy many benefits including eligibility to participate in the USB-IF Compliance Program. " and here is the url for even more info. http://www.usb.org/developers/complian.html
Your not just paying for DOC's that i'm sure you could find elsewhere, and maybe these shouldn't be charged for, but to certify your usb product and be able to have the USB logo, you have to follow the spec to the spec.
It is a broad market with lots of competition from many different OS's but that is not an excuse to not support it under the OS your developing. Its up to the licensee to support his/her product. You dont create a standard and try and force it into the system, you certify new applications & uses that implement it and follow the spec so it will work across the board.
We are all lucky we don't have a standard. You don't have to certify your product for side impact, you don't have to test for todler safety, you don't have to wory about physical forces or print a label that has the ingredients.. Linux has lucked out by skipping all the standards and laws that follow every other product. Thats why i don't understand the complaints against this. 2500 is NOTHING considering R&D to build anything new is usually MANY MANY times higher, and simply getting access to the USB standard and logo ability just means security and that your product WILL work and is certified TO work by the Certification Commitee.
P.S. My spelling and grammer is bad, i'm typing this as i can.. work is busier then hell and i don't have but a few mins to say what i want to say, so don't leave me messages about it:)
Why doesn't one of the big boys license this information for use within its developers? Shouldn't these companies be supporting the development of the product they sell? I mean i would think Redhat, Caldera, or Corel would be happy to license this information for a third party to develop support or provide drivers. Microsoft provides information in SDK's and DDK's that work very well. Why complain about someone trying to controll there standard. Why not just get support for it. Just like ISO9000, it is a pain in the ass to manage according to those standards, and you pay for that. But your clients expect a quality of service and workmanship that comes about from being ISO9000 certified. So what is the big deal about being USB certified or paying for the information that the standardization group is working on and coordinating on. Again, if you don't like USB. Then work on standardizing another technology! Do the footwork instead of simply just trying to get access into someone elses! Long live linux, but long live USB. Its been the best thing since sliced bread!! Nothing like having a scanner, digital camera, digital mp3 player, snappy cam, video camera and printer all hubed in through USB and working without snagging every IRQ you got! blessed technology:) Sure firewire is fast as hell, and USB's new revision is fast as hell too.. but you have to pay for that also.
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Just *WHO* does DeCSS or any varient of benifet? You guys are jacking up the costs of DVD's i want because of lawsuits. Your only thinking of yourselves and freedoms of what? You're fighting for anarchy with anarchy? Who the F*CK does this benifet? I don't give a RATS ASS if you want to watch DVD's in Linux and no one will support you. But it is not your god given right to ruin one thing for everybody else on the bases of your freedoms to break security codes and your freedoms to reverse engineer in legal ways (whatever makes reverse engineering legal in the first place is idiotic).
I'm pissed. Moderate me down if you want. But there are always two sides to the story. If you wanted to get DVD support in linux, for christs sake your going about it THE WRONG WAY!!! Email the companies, email the developers, talk to the right people. AND DON'T MAKE YOURSELF LOOK LIKE YOUR 14 YEARS OLD.
God gave us a brain, use it!!! Your rights, linux rights, deez nuts, your nuts.. WHO CARES. But i want my DVD movies, i want what i'm paying for!! I don't want everyone copying disks and raising the costs of what i pay for. I don't want people suing companies because of there rights to break someone elses protection scheme. DeCSS my ass.. You guys are fighting for a war that doesn't exist. And slashdot is the only benifactor of the advertising revenue this topic generates.
Do you think DVD technologies grew on trees? did it not take millions of dollars in investments and man hours to create this superb media format? Did it not take licensing with THX and Dolby to use superb sound? Does DeCSS bring this benifet to the masses? Did decss people license what others have spent BILLIONS developing? Did the linux community create something new for a change? NOOOOOO.. so SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT THIS ALRIGHT!!
Maybe if you were responsible in creating something rather then trying to manipulate and re-evolve everything it would be as bad. But no, its not that way. So what will linux loose? What WILL decss loose? NOTHING.. ABSO FREAKIN LOOTLY NOTHING will be lost. Maybe the time of one person. But hell, thats alot cheaper then at the expense of millions of end users, hundreds of studios, thousands of licensee's and many many many developers other then the people who think they are kings here..
The dreamcast is an amazing piece of machinery. For its price, and what it offers, you can't beat it. Bitch/moan/grope about sega and its past experiences all you want. I'm still the proud owner of the Sega Saturn, Genisis and now Dreamcast.
If your into sports, or simply beatin the snow out of people, or driving cars off the sides of buildings, the Dreamcast is for you. If you like to run around for hours playing puzzles, well.. get a PC or a playstation. Those aren't games and those aren't what makes a console
But, if you do want a Dreamcast, check this out. http://dreamcast.pimp.org - With 30.00 coupon and 30.00 rebate, its yours for a measly 139.00. Also get all your games and accessories dirt cheap with huge rebates.
Capcom is a great game, and its about time something besides Playstation is talked about here. And like everything else, if you don't care, don't read. But don't ruin my day or this topic because your stubborn enough not to accept other views.
Your statements still make absolutely no sense, whatsoever.
Closed Source, Proprietary/commercial software is good. It protects the investment of your purchase, it provides a constant resource for support. It provides the ability to roll out and standardize.
If every person had the source, or 10,000 out of the 10,000,000 using that package modify that source. Then that product is not the original product and can't follow the original support options and therefore can't offer a Business what it needs.
Open source can solve your server, you workstation needs and such in a small controlled environment. In big business, Microsoft works because a) hardware vendors support there hardware under a specific product b) microsoft supports there software on HCL approved hardware
So yes, buying a single software, a single hardware solution and support contracts on closed software provides the business the ROI it needs to prove the purchase as acceptable.
Yes, i can buy RedHat from redhat and get system from VA linux and get support options from both. But when it comes down to one specific part of the OS breaking down, is it up to RedHat to fix that part, release a new package into GPL, notify the original authors, and then resend me the product? Doesn't Paying for redhat services on software support to modify a non redhat portion of the OS piss you off as a developer that is looking for ways to make money? Should RedHat consult your services as a contractor to provide for your work?
I don't get what this hype about linux is. YES, i love linux as another unix clone. I hate the open source/GPL contraversy, but i love the concept. Its great to think this world could be a wonderfully FREE place. But its not.
You have to do what you need to do. That doesn't make you right no matter what. My ideas/concepts of how things work don't make me worse or better then a linux zealot. Because i post what i feel on slashdot and could give a rats ass about karma, i may get killed off as flaimbait or whatnot, but i expressed my vies and opinions. And i used to think that was what mattered.
One mindset isn't more perfect than another. Windows, QNX, Be, Mac OS *, Unix *.* and Whatever else out there is all a part of this computer evolution. Simply locking your mindset into one particular pattern makes this the computer de-evolution. Be yourself, use what you want, listen to others, and most of all, don't get cocky about feeling insulted because not everyone is like you.
Yeah, shame shame on me, i'm defending microsoft:)
hehe, but for real. I would rather see microsoft left alone to run business and let the market pick the winners.
But DONT let AOL own what i see on TV, how people access the internet and what people see on the internet!
Don't let anymore "You have new mail" movies, sounds, images, spoofs come out. Dont let AOL get into the long distance business, don't let AOL get access to the miles and miles of fiber in several huge cities around the world.
My god the incompetance is huge, I feel sorry for the people that will pickup the phone and have to hear commercials now, i feel sorry for people trying to watch tv, but have banner adds going across the screen.
Even at the least, the spam, the discs being included in everything, the lack of real media attention, the lack of in depth and technical attention, and the people who provide all these very immature feeling services controlling a vast communications and broadcast system
Wingspan bank has been a godsend. You get free use of many ATM's (They have an ATM search on there website and they work with several huge chains). They rebate up to 5.00 in other ATM fees from non-wingspan banks (another saver for those random 20.00 withdrawals for petty cash). 4-6% interest in a checking (i get an average of $5-$10.00 a month interest).
WingspanBank is the *first* bank i've ever had, where my money keeps its value. The interest is at good enough average that leaving money in the account over long periods keeps up with inflation and other costs, customer support answers and has answered within the first few rings of every time i have called. Online Bill Pay, free ACH transfers, Online Trading, Visa card, and very quick balances and payments.
Direct Deposits go in great, checks are payed in a timely matter, ATM/Visa Purchases actually show more then bank code (i hate that with other banks), So i can see where my money goes (the only leash i have for my girlfriend:).
So wingspan is my recommendation. Its an online bank, but operated by a national chain, so it has some establishment, while still showing great advances over the traditional offerings of other "pathetic online banks":)
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man, if you can slide away and hide at your job, i'd take that anyday. no matter where i'm at, home, work, play, on a boat in the middle of a river someone at work is trying to get ahold of me for something that they broke or screwed up on the servers.
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Y2k = The holiday i've been deserving for years! first time in 5 years i had a vacation of more then 2 days, first time in 5 years that nothing blew up while i was on vacataion - because everyone else was on vacation.
Y2k is a godsend for the IT market.. to bad dumb people will play it out with lies and bitching. It goes to show that long term planning, long term commitments and a strong workforce can solve any problem.
It *is* my firm believing that we did what we should have done, and people should be kissing our feet. We still have some bugs, Oracle financials is having problems with some imports bringing in 1900 as the year, some old electronic forms are brain dead and some old furnance temp/timing computers seem to be lost (but they know how long 15 minutes is so that doesn't matter anyhow).
So my hats off to all you guys, and myself. We earned this, we did this, i got to celebrate for the first time in years, and i got some time to myself.
Geezus slashdot.. save some credibility on yourself. The object of slashdot, even in your latest magazine adds, is news for nerds, stuff that matters.
People are dumb when they just listen to someone else. People are smart when they decide something for themselves and make an educated decision.
News for nerds should be pointing out facts of the matter, not belittling someone so they can't be rich like everyone else.
If you were to worry about anything, worry about redhat making a second offering already, wory about stocks splitting and market saturation. Worry about how money won't keep coming if its not making a profit. Its okay the first few years to report a loss, but if RedHat positions its value to be at billions of dollars and doesn't get some SERIOUS assets, there are going to be some SERIOUS loosers out there.
I sure hope you find ways to support your market instead of the blind leading the blind. Too bad ESR and RMS has to speak for evreyone here. I find that dissapointing and someone hypocritical of the masses.
You can flame me, you can moderate this however you want. The issue is the usability, the functionality and the business aspects of linux and this company. Read there prospectus, decide for yourself. Don't let jealous people make up your mind.
Variety was always the feature of linux. The choices and freedoms you have. Thats why i say its hypocritical of anyone to be downplaying another company.. just becuase one person or another says they are not a true player.
The "evil empire" doesn't tell me who i can or shouldn't buy from. the "Evil empire" doesn't have people running to trade shows preaching ethics of software. Come on people. The eveil empire is giving up your choice for someone elses choice. While your choice of linux may be yours. don't give up your other choices just because your being told to do so.. sounds more of any eveil empire then having something that works..
BTW: the evil empire you speak of, has a great new operating system called Windows 2000 professional. It offers the abillity to switch between multiproc/single proc systems, has a great web server, has nice Directory Services. Lots of new internet funcionatlity, and most of all it works with my usb and firewire devices so now i can get digital video from my digital camera in and edit it in full frame rates.
And no one forced me to choose one thing or another. No bill gates didn't send droves of people out on the net to preach ethics of software. NO bill gates didn't make computers political. No bill gates didn't give a sub culture to the culture that already existed
It wasn't until linux came about that being a computer user/nerd became friend or foe for the choice of your operating system. I remember the good ol' days when it was how you could network, program, code, and be yourself.. to bad we have lost all our rights for an "Ethical operating system for the community"
Open your eyes people. what good is a choice, if you have to be approved of making that choice? what good is choice if the head honcho's don't like your decision.
Funk dat. I run linux, i run BeOS AND i run Windows 2000 and Windows 98. Linux doesn my firewall/routing. BeOS is a play toy. Windows 2000 is my workstation and windows 98 is my girlfriends computer.
They all work.. but linux users/systems are the only ones that give me hell.. and for what? I don't want to loose functionality of suppoering my PDA's, my network cards, my usb devices, full printing features (linux printing blows donky ass), web browsing (ahem.. don't even claim linux has a good browser yet.. and i know about mozilla, i debug that under beos and nt all the time).
enough with my rant.. make up your own mind. thats my point.
Microsoft already comes out with pretty decent innovations. Like it or not, microsoft has lots of competitors.. netscape, aol, real audio networks, all the unices out there.. There is alot more then the average linux zealot recognizes.
And if windows 2000 isn't technologically advanced as you would expect, then i can't imagine how linux could appear to be superior or even competitive..
Directory Services, USB, High Speed networking, good multi proc support, standard application base, good web server performance, stability improvements (my nt servers now run longer then my linux boxen on todays hardware.. but if i throw linux on my trusty old p2 systems, its vice versa).
So yeah, in this case the AMD and Intel is working for the customer.. as true for Microsoft and all its competitors.. the best man will win and has been winning. And as for choice, i choose Sun Solaris for my databases, NT for my file servers and linux for my development boxes. And now i get to choose which CPU i want to use. Too bad AMD hasn't released its Multiproc systems yet, or announced any developer chips for 64bit systems..
The "bringing down of mirosoft" won't do the computer industry a single bit of justice.
Have you *ever* worked in a Management position and seen how the typical computer user is?
Have you *ever* seen how cost effective Windows REALLY is?
Have you found anything EASIER to use then the standard Windows Interface?
What does competing have to do with monopoly? Mac is stil around, i don't know why. OS/2 blew its chance because they sat on it, Amiga is hyperware and collectors art. SunOS and other Unices are always and will always remain high end and server OS's.
Linux could *never* be used on 98% of the computers that windows currently runs on. Try telling your next door neighbor that just bought a computer that he needs to create a mount point, mount his cdrom and then install. try telling your neighbor that if he forgets his password he has to boot into single user mode, run vi to edit the password field and know what the hell he is looking for?
Linux works great for workstations, for people that *know* what they are doing. Just like Palm Pilots work great for People that know what they want out of a PDA.
But Microsoft developed a great OS, marketed the Hell out of it, it has its flaws, so does linux. Try playing hi end 32bit depth graphics games under linux and then tell me it runs better then the windows counterpart.
Reboots shmeeboots, you guys must have crappy computers, my windows workstations run just as long as my linux. And patches/kernul updates, security notices are just as abundant for NT as they are any unix. Hell, i just had to install 275 patches on an HPUX system that already had hundreds to begin with.
Every OS has its quirks.
Just a damn shame in america we use our so called "justice" system to bring down the companies that are moving us forward. YOU HAVE A CHOICE. AT&T didn't give you a choice, therefore they were a monopoly. EVERYONE has had a choice to choose which DOS os they wanted. You have had a choice between Network OS's for years too. You could stil be running Novell or Banyan or whatever you wanted. But funny, you chose Windows.
Why?
Simply because it works, and pretty damn well. I have a sparc 10 that sits around as a server, why? throw in a gui and you get all sorts of problems. I have stacks of SGI's at where i work, they sit around because nobody wants to bother em. The techies want them to throw up a shell server,but by some weird anomoly, they use a Windows box with SSH to login..
Give Microsoft a break, let them run there business. They created this market. Why is it our responsibility to destroy it? What do we gane besides MILLIONS of people becoming un-employed or outdated at the instant of a splitup? what is there to go besides "linux r00lz mah fr0".
I know linux kicks ass, but this is *NOT* about linux people. Its about MY RIGHT TO CHOOSE, and by GOD i choose windows:) AND i Choose LINUX, because LINUX solves my server needs, but doesn't come within millions of miles of solving my business and gaming needs.
so what if microsoft owns it, its documented, its been duplicated on Unix, duplicated within OS/2. Everything is "owned" or "copyrighted".
I can buy a package to let me cross compile win32s apps under linux, solaris, hpux and such. You can buy the source.
There is a difference between proprietary and free. Say you have the Specs to MP3, thats the same information you have from Windows. You have the Specs to the API, But you have to lease the decoder from franhaufer or however it is spelled or write your own. Just like microsoft, you would have to lease the rights to the api or write your won.
But the specs are out, you can buy a 3 book series that describes them all in detail.
Microsoft may A) Own it B) Wrote it C) Use it, but it is the standard and therefore A) not proprietary B) Fully Documented C) Portable (ahem.. powerPC, Mips, X86, Arm).
What does an open body have to do with proprietary?
Microsoft set the standard of PC's, like it or not. Through monopolistic practices or just through luck, microsoft has built the standard and developed them through Win32's.
And through the existing standards, YES. the WindowsCE devices are NOT proprietary, but an extension to the products that microsoft offers (albeit a bit smaller, but very much so an extension)
Even *WITH* a governing body, a standard is proprietary until you and i adpot it. and really, it isn't a standard until its adopted hehe..
But hell, i can even connect my CE to linux, and other unices, it uses a standard serial port to do so.. unlike the USB port on some other well known models:)
i'm not defending *anything* except that my lil windows ce based Cassio E-105 works beautifully, as advertised, and as sold. And so have the 2 other Handheld PC's with WindowsCE.
friend or foe of microsoft, thats not my issue. But the work being done, microsoft changing the marketing, repositioning the product shows that they work, and that they are sticking it out in the market. a far cry from whats commonly posted on here and other "news" sites.
how childish of me? I own a Casio E11, E10, and a E105, One of the Two is an HPC, i've never right tapped on, and the Others are Palm PC's which never "right tap". Should you buy a "Pro H/PC" Then you get mouse, and ofcourse the features of the mouse are inplace. Someone might have some app that requires some keypad press and then a tap, but to use the darned thingy, i've never "right tapped":)
And free never means perfect. I never dissed the palm in any of my statements, as the palm works great, but didn't solve any of my needs.
Getting 4-5 years out of my PalmPC is not bad. If microsoft should belly up in the future, then Oh well. I'll load linux on the puppy or sell it off to someone else. But right now it works, keeps me happy and solves 100% of my needs for a PDA and a PalmPC.
Lemme reply to your points, and kind of theorize the corporate world and my use for a PalmPC.
1. Microsoft Outlook and Exchange and Office 2000 are used Exclussively at work (not my decision, i just run the oracle databases which are on my fav unix systems). So interfacing seemlessly is a major Issue. The Pocket applications on my PalmPC work great. And synchronize 98% of the information i have already in place in Outlook. My Palm had to be dinked around with to match 30% of the information.
2, your point there proves you have never used a CE device. The GUI is the same in its looks, you never have to right tap, and there is no such thing.
Infact for such a small screen, the gui fits nicely having the look and feel of something i'm already familiar with (and millions upon millions of other people)
I synchronize with AvantGo all the time, i get my web pages clipped from there, custom news and weather. I use Ibrowser to surf the web over my ceullular phone (which uses infared to beam over to my PalmPC instead of carrying around cables) I synchronize with Netscape mail at home no problem. I can synchronize with my mail and news on excite no problem. This synchronization of Palm to whatever costs more to me since i don't need to synchronize to some no name program. Like i said in statement one, it covers more complete synchronizations of my existing data then palm does.
I love the look and feel of Palms, the OS is superb. But WindowsCE gave me alot of features for such a small device, and it runs rather good. I got a 130mhz Mips R4000 CPU pushing the power, and you can tell its there.
I dont disagree at all with the uses of a Palm Pilot device/PDA. But Windows CE has a future, and its just rapidly evolving in many directions.
My GCC compiler i'm working on will support Strong arm based cpu's shortly, and i will have direct X support, and hopefully I will get some code working on a DreamCast too, so i will have cross compilers available for Cygwin or Linux GCC systems.
err wrongo again.. 6 hours playing mp3's, 8-10 hours of nonstop under normal wear and tear.
for palm pc usage, this equates to about a weeks worth of battery power. considering it charges while i'm synchronizing and its itc cradle, its never died on me.
Windows CE devices are great. The OS may not be the best, but they work.
Figure this. My Cassiopeia E-105 has 32 megs of ram, i have a compact flash IBM MicroDrive with over 340 megs of storage.
I get all of the following features
Music MP3 or WMF
PIM Software
Not only music, stereo sound
65K colors, active matrix screem
Small, sturdy device
WindowsCE lets me code easily for network applications, it lets me surf the web, port over existing applications, and follows the same legacy as the Desktop OS.
Windows CE makes a powerfull embedded OS. Infact it may do too much for being embedded, but it works.
I've long since ditched all my other PDA's and handhelds and enjoy my handheld pc.
Plus, i've got GCC compiling WindowsCE binaries for mips processors now, and will be releasing a Cygwin based version for people to download, and i will help support open source applications under WindowsCE because WindowsCE gets the job done, and rather well.
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Remember that when you think your getting a steal. DVD players are DVD players for a reason, as are consoles :)
On the other hand, i've left my dreamcast on all night long, and got up in the morning and played a few more hours of crazy taxi with no problems
Oh yeah, Chu Chu rocket is out, and online gaming is here with the DC. PLUS PlanetWeb announced V2.0 of the web browser that support jscript 2.0, MP3 Playback, and a bunch of other nifty features. You can read up more about it at http://dc.ign.com
Hey, i wouldn't mind a PS2, but i love my DC, already have a dvd player, and for christs sake i wouldn't want to use a game controller as a remote for my dvd player :)
It kind of reminds me of amiga, seperating the subsystems and processing through multiple chips.
I think distributed os's and computing is the future! but hey, x86 and sparc architecure and specs are abundant.. when will we see someone run with it and create an open system?
Have you ever used Office 2000? Did you ever see what was out in 1992?. Geez, in 1992 everyone was just upgrading from PFS:Works to some gui product.
Nowadays, with Office 2k, i got dynamic data exchange, ODBC connectivity, easy templates, WYSWIG (wasn't perfected in 1992 quite yet), support for more then 32k records/files. (when your saving history or documents for years on end for auditing reasons, the 1992 software won't cut it).
The list can go on and on. Alot has changed since then people. Mhz = power, and power = control.
He who controlls the spice, controlls the universe. And yes, there is lots that can be done, but it is simply remarkable what has been done.
Remember, some of us slashdot readers were born before 1980 and remember what was around and what has changed.
BUT, this goes along with anything else. To get RedHat Certified, i have to pay for your classes & your training. Even though i could know the ins and outs and have access to all sorts of documentation I still have to be certified to be certified.
Here is what your 2500 membership gets you. "The USB Implementers Forum (USB-IF) was established in 1995 to support and accelerate the market and consumer adoption of USB compliant peripherals. Today, the USB IF has more than 600 member companies and has led the way in helping companies introduce hundreds of USB-compliant products to the market. Members of the USB-IF enjoy many benefits including eligibility to participate in the USB-IF Compliance Program. " and here is the url for even more info. http://www.usb.org/developers/complian.html
Your not just paying for DOC's that i'm sure you could find elsewhere, and maybe these shouldn't be charged for, but to certify your usb product and be able to have the USB logo, you have to follow the spec to the spec.
It is a broad market with lots of competition from many different OS's but that is not an excuse to not support it under the OS your developing. Its up to the licensee to support his/her product. You dont create a standard and try and force it into the system, you certify new applications & uses that implement it and follow the spec so it will work across the board.
We are all lucky we don't have a standard. You don't have to certify your product for side impact, you don't have to test for todler safety, you don't have to wory about physical forces or print a label that has the ingredients.. Linux has lucked out by skipping all the standards and laws that follow every other product. Thats why i don't understand the complaints against this. 2500 is NOTHING considering R&D to build anything new is usually MANY MANY times higher, and simply getting access to the USB standard and logo ability just means security and that your product WILL work and is certified TO work by the Certification Commitee.
P.S. My spelling and grammer is bad, i'm typing this as i can.. work is busier then hell and i don't have but a few mins to say what i want to say, so don't leave me messages about it :)
PPS :) have a good one!
Why doesn't one of the big boys license this information for use within its developers? Shouldn't these companies be supporting the development of the product they sell? I mean i would think Redhat, Caldera, or Corel would be happy to license this information for a third party to develop support or provide drivers. Microsoft provides information in SDK's and DDK's that work very well. Why complain about someone trying to controll there standard. Why not just get support for it. Just like ISO9000, it is a pain in the ass to manage according to those standards, and you pay for that. But your clients expect a quality of service and workmanship that comes about from being ISO9000 certified. So what is the big deal about being USB certified or paying for the information that the standardization group is working on and coordinating on. Again, if you don't like USB. Then work on standardizing another technology! Do the footwork instead of simply just trying to get access into someone elses! Long live linux, but long live USB. Its been the best thing since sliced bread!! Nothing like having a scanner, digital camera, digital mp3 player, snappy cam, video camera and printer all hubed in through USB and working without snagging every IRQ you got! blessed technology :) Sure firewire is fast as hell, and USB's new revision is fast as hell too.. but you have to pay for that also.
I'm pissed. Moderate me down if you want. But there are always two sides to the story. If you wanted to get DVD support in linux, for christs sake your going about it THE WRONG WAY!!! Email the companies, email the developers, talk to the right people. AND DON'T MAKE YOURSELF LOOK LIKE YOUR 14 YEARS OLD.
God gave us a brain, use it!!! Your rights, linux rights, deez nuts, your nuts.. WHO CARES. But i want my DVD movies, i want what i'm paying for!! I don't want everyone copying disks and raising the costs of what i pay for. I don't want people suing companies because of there rights to break someone elses protection scheme. DeCSS my ass.. You guys are fighting for a war that doesn't exist. And slashdot is the only benifactor of the advertising revenue this topic generates.
Do you think DVD technologies grew on trees? did it not take millions of dollars in investments and man hours to create this superb media format? Did it not take licensing with THX and Dolby to use superb sound? Does DeCSS bring this benifet to the masses? Did decss people license what others have spent BILLIONS developing? Did the linux community create something new for a change? NOOOOOO.. so SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT THIS ALRIGHT!!
Maybe if you were responsible in creating something rather then trying to manipulate and re-evolve everything it would be as bad. But no, its not that way. So what will linux loose? What WILL decss loose? NOTHING.. ABSO FREAKIN LOOTLY NOTHING will be lost. Maybe the time of one person. But hell, thats alot cheaper then at the expense of millions of end users, hundreds of studios, thousands of licensee's and many many many developers other then the people who think they are kings here..
geezus.
If your into sports, or simply beatin the snow out of people, or driving cars off the sides of buildings, the Dreamcast is for you. If you like to run around for hours playing puzzles, well.. get a PC or a playstation. Those aren't games and those aren't what makes a console
But, if you do want a Dreamcast, check this out. http://dreamcast.pimp.org - With 30.00 coupon and 30.00 rebate, its yours for a measly 139.00. Also get all your games and accessories dirt cheap with huge rebates.
Capcom is a great game, and its about time something besides Playstation is talked about here. And like everything else, if you don't care, don't read. But don't ruin my day or this topic because your stubborn enough not to accept other views.
have a good one!
Closed Source, Proprietary/commercial software is good. It protects the investment of your purchase, it provides a constant resource for support. It provides the ability to roll out and standardize.
If every person had the source, or 10,000 out of the 10,000,000 using that package modify that source. Then that product is not the original product and can't follow the original support options and therefore can't offer a Business what it needs.
Open source can solve your server, you workstation needs and such in a small controlled environment. In big business, Microsoft works because a) hardware vendors support there hardware under a specific product b) microsoft supports there software on HCL approved hardware
So yes, buying a single software, a single hardware solution and support contracts on closed software provides the business the ROI it needs to prove the purchase as acceptable.
Yes, i can buy RedHat from redhat and get system from VA linux and get support options from both. But when it comes down to one specific part of the OS breaking down, is it up to RedHat to fix that part, release a new package into GPL, notify the original authors, and then resend me the product? Doesn't Paying for redhat services on software support to modify a non redhat portion of the OS piss you off as a developer that is looking for ways to make money? Should RedHat consult your services as a contractor to provide for your work?
I don't get what this hype about linux is. YES, i love linux as another unix clone. I hate the open source/GPL contraversy, but i love the concept. Its great to think this world could be a wonderfully FREE place. But its not.
You have to do what you need to do. That doesn't make you right no matter what. My ideas/concepts of how things work don't make me worse or better then a linux zealot. Because i post what i feel on slashdot and could give a rats ass about karma, i may get killed off as flaimbait or whatnot, but i expressed my vies and opinions. And i used to think that was what mattered.
One mindset isn't more perfect than another. Windows, QNX, Be, Mac OS *, Unix *.* and Whatever else out there is all a part of this computer evolution. Simply locking your mindset into one particular pattern makes this the computer de-evolution. Be yourself, use what you want, listen to others, and most of all, don't get cocky about feeling insulted because not everyone is like you.
hehe, but for real. I would rather see microsoft left alone to run business and let the market pick the winners.
But DONT let AOL own what i see on TV, how people access the internet and what people see on the internet!
Don't let anymore "You have new mail" movies, sounds, images, spoofs come out. Dont let AOL get into the long distance business, don't let AOL get access to the miles and miles of fiber in several huge cities around the world.
My god the incompetance is huge, I feel sorry for the people that will pickup the phone and have to hear commercials now, i feel sorry for people trying to watch tv, but have banner adds going across the screen.
Even at the least, the spam, the discs being included in everything, the lack of real media attention, the lack of in depth and technical attention, and the people who provide all these very immature feeling services controlling a vast communications and broadcast system
scarry
hehe.. yup.. so guiness is good beer, and the bubbles fall, and someone found out why. so err uhm. Not much to discuss, just pass a pint :)
WingspanBank is the *first* bank i've ever had, where my money keeps its value. The interest is at good enough average that leaving money in the account over long periods keeps up with inflation and other costs, customer support answers and has answered within the first few rings of every time i have called. Online Bill Pay, free ACH transfers, Online Trading, Visa card, and very quick balances and payments.
Direct Deposits go in great, checks are payed in a timely matter, ATM/Visa Purchases actually show more then bank code (i hate that with other banks), So i can see where my money goes (the only leash i have for my girlfriend :).
So wingspan is my recommendation. Its an online bank, but operated by a national chain, so it has some establishment, while still showing great advances over the traditional offerings of other "pathetic online banks" :)
Y2k = The holiday i've been deserving for years! first time in 5 years i had a vacation of more then 2 days, first time in 5 years that nothing blew up while i was on vacataion - because everyone else was on vacation.
Y2k is a godsend for the IT market.. to bad dumb people will play it out with lies and bitching. It goes to show that long term planning, long term commitments and a strong workforce can solve any problem.
It *is* my firm believing that we did what we should have done, and people should be kissing our feet. We still have some bugs, Oracle financials is having problems with some imports bringing in 1900 as the year, some old electronic forms are brain dead and some old furnance temp/timing computers seem to be lost (but they know how long 15 minutes is so that doesn't matter anyhow).
So my hats off to all you guys, and myself. We earned this, we did this, i got to celebrate for the first time in years, and i got some time to myself.
Amen brotha!!!!
Ignorance must be bliss huh.
Show me a sign of inteligence other then what you learned in grammar police school.
People are dumb when they just listen to someone else. People are smart when they decide something for themselves and make an educated decision.
News for nerds should be pointing out facts of the matter, not belittling someone so they can't be rich like everyone else.
If you were to worry about anything, worry about redhat making a second offering already, wory about stocks splitting and market saturation. Worry about how money won't keep coming if its not making a profit. Its okay the first few years to report a loss, but if RedHat positions its value to be at billions of dollars and doesn't get some SERIOUS assets, there are going to be some SERIOUS loosers out there.
I sure hope you find ways to support your market instead of the blind leading the blind. Too bad ESR and RMS has to speak for evreyone here. I find that dissapointing and someone hypocritical of the masses.
You can flame me, you can moderate this however you want. The issue is the usability, the functionality and the business aspects of linux and this company. Read there prospectus, decide for yourself. Don't let jealous people make up your mind.
Variety was always the feature of linux. The choices and freedoms you have. Thats why i say its hypocritical of anyone to be downplaying another company.. just becuase one person or another says they are not a true player.
The "evil empire" doesn't tell me who i can or shouldn't buy from. the "Evil empire" doesn't have people running to trade shows preaching ethics of software. Come on people. The eveil empire is giving up your choice for someone elses choice. While your choice of linux may be yours. don't give up your other choices just because your being told to do so.. sounds more of any eveil empire then having something that works..
BTW: the evil empire you speak of, has a great new operating system called Windows 2000 professional. It offers the abillity to switch between multiproc/single proc systems, has a great web server, has nice Directory Services. Lots of new internet funcionatlity, and most of all it works with my usb and firewire devices so now i can get digital video from my digital camera in and edit it in full frame rates.
And no one forced me to choose one thing or another. No bill gates didn't send droves of people out on the net to preach ethics of software. NO bill gates didn't make computers political. No bill gates didn't give a sub culture to the culture that already existed
It wasn't until linux came about that being a computer user/nerd became friend or foe for the choice of your operating system. I remember the good ol' days when it was how you could network, program, code, and be yourself.. to bad we have lost all our rights for an "Ethical operating system for the community"
Open your eyes people. what good is a choice, if you have to be approved of making that choice? what good is choice if the head honcho's don't like your decision.
Funk dat. I run linux, i run BeOS AND i run Windows 2000 and Windows 98. Linux doesn my firewall/routing. BeOS is a play toy. Windows 2000 is my workstation and windows 98 is my girlfriends computer.
They all work.. but linux users/systems are the only ones that give me hell.. and for what? I don't want to loose functionality of suppoering my PDA's, my network cards, my usb devices, full printing features (linux printing blows donky ass), web browsing (ahem.. don't even claim linux has a good browser yet.. and i know about mozilla, i debug that under beos and nt all the time).
enough with my rant.. make up your own mind. thats my point.
And if windows 2000 isn't technologically advanced as you would expect, then i can't imagine how linux could appear to be superior or even competitive..
Directory Services, USB, High Speed networking, good multi proc support, standard application base, good web server performance, stability improvements (my nt servers now run longer then my linux boxen on todays hardware.. but if i throw linux on my trusty old p2 systems, its vice versa).
So yeah, in this case the AMD and Intel is working for the customer.. as true for Microsoft and all its competitors.. the best man will win and has been winning. And as for choice, i choose Sun Solaris for my databases, NT for my file servers and linux for my development boxes. And now i get to choose which CPU i want to use. Too bad AMD hasn't released its Multiproc systems yet, or announced any developer chips for 64bit systems..
Have you *ever* worked in a Management position and seen how the typical computer user is?
Have you *ever* seen how cost effective Windows REALLY is?
Have you found anything EASIER to use then the standard Windows Interface?
What does competing have to do with monopoly? Mac is stil around, i don't know why. OS/2 blew its chance because they sat on it, Amiga is hyperware and collectors art. SunOS and other Unices are always and will always remain high end and server OS's.
Linux could *never* be used on 98% of the computers that windows currently runs on. Try telling your next door neighbor that just bought a computer that he needs to create a mount point, mount his cdrom and then install. try telling your neighbor that if he forgets his password he has to boot into single user mode, run vi to edit the password field and know what the hell he is looking for?
Linux works great for workstations, for people that *know* what they are doing. Just like Palm Pilots work great for People that know what they want out of a PDA.
But Microsoft developed a great OS, marketed the Hell out of it, it has its flaws, so does linux. Try playing hi end 32bit depth graphics games under linux and then tell me it runs better then the windows counterpart.
Reboots shmeeboots, you guys must have crappy computers, my windows workstations run just as long as my linux. And patches/kernul updates, security notices are just as abundant for NT as they are any unix. Hell, i just had to install 275 patches on an HPUX system that already had hundreds to begin with.
Every OS has its quirks.
Just a damn shame in america we use our so called "justice" system to bring down the companies that are moving us forward. YOU HAVE A CHOICE. AT&T didn't give you a choice, therefore they were a monopoly. EVERYONE has had a choice to choose which DOS os they wanted. You have had a choice between Network OS's for years too. You could stil be running Novell or Banyan or whatever you wanted. But funny, you chose Windows.
Why?
Simply because it works, and pretty damn well. I have a sparc 10 that sits around as a server, why? throw in a gui and you get all sorts of problems. I have stacks of SGI's at where i work, they sit around because nobody wants to bother em. The techies want them to throw up a shell server,but by some weird anomoly, they use a Windows box with SSH to login..
Give Microsoft a break, let them run there business. They created this market. Why is it our responsibility to destroy it? What do we gane besides MILLIONS of people becoming un-employed or outdated at the instant of a splitup? what is there to go besides "linux r00lz mah fr0".
I know linux kicks ass, but this is *NOT* about linux people. Its about MY RIGHT TO CHOOSE, and by GOD i choose windows :) AND i Choose LINUX, because LINUX solves my server needs, but doesn't come within millions of miles of solving my business and gaming needs.
Thankyou
I can buy a package to let me cross compile win32s apps under linux, solaris, hpux and such. You can buy the source.
There is a difference between proprietary and free. Say you have the Specs to MP3, thats the same information you have from Windows. You have the Specs to the API, But you have to lease the decoder from franhaufer or however it is spelled or write your own. Just like microsoft, you would have to lease the rights to the api or write your won.
But the specs are out, you can buy a 3 book series that describes them all in detail.
Microsoft may A) Own it B) Wrote it C) Use it, but it is the standard and therefore A) not proprietary B) Fully Documented C) Portable (ahem.. powerPC, Mips, X86, Arm).
Microsoft set the standard of PC's, like it or not. Through monopolistic practices or just through luck, microsoft has built the standard and developed them through Win32's.
And through the existing standards, YES. the WindowsCE devices are NOT proprietary, but an extension to the products that microsoft offers (albeit a bit smaller, but very much so an extension)
Even *WITH* a governing body, a standard is proprietary until you and i adpot it. and really, it isn't a standard until its adopted hehe..
But hell, i can even connect my CE to linux, and other unices, it uses a standard serial port to do so.. unlike the USB port on some other well known models :)
i'm not defending *anything* except that my lil windows ce based Cassio E-105 works beautifully, as advertised, and as sold. And so have the 2 other Handheld PC's with WindowsCE.
friend or foe of microsoft, thats not my issue. But the work being done, microsoft changing the marketing, repositioning the product shows that they work, and that they are sticking it out in the market. a far cry from whats commonly posted on here and other "news" sites.
And free never means perfect. I never dissed the palm in any of my statements, as the palm works great, but didn't solve any of my needs.
Getting 4-5 years out of my PalmPC is not bad. If microsoft should belly up in the future, then Oh well. I'll load linux on the puppy or sell it off to someone else. But right now it works, keeps me happy and solves 100% of my needs for a PDA and a PalmPC.
Windows CE is not proprietary
based on Win32s libraries
Using common Windows objects
uses compact flash standards
Uses existing MIPS, Arm and X86 Cpu's
Uses existing compilers (i'm using gcc)
has a common gui
On the other hand, what other PDA uses any features that *are not* proprietary
Springboard?, Sony memory stick? api? processor portability?
BTW: I can and do run linux on these Casio's i'm speaking of. I may even give freeBSD a try :) 86.05 bogomips for a PalmPC sure is nice!
1. Microsoft Outlook and Exchange and Office 2000 are used Exclussively at work (not my decision, i just run the oracle databases which are on my fav unix systems). So interfacing seemlessly is a major Issue. The Pocket applications on my PalmPC work great. And synchronize 98% of the information i have already in place in Outlook. My Palm had to be dinked around with to match 30% of the information.
2, your point there proves you have never used a CE device. The GUI is the same in its looks, you never have to right tap, and there is no such thing.
Infact for such a small screen, the gui fits nicely having the look and feel of something i'm already familiar with (and millions upon millions of other people)
I synchronize with AvantGo all the time, i get my web pages clipped from there, custom news and weather. I use Ibrowser to surf the web over my ceullular phone (which uses infared to beam over to my PalmPC instead of carrying around cables) I synchronize with Netscape mail at home no problem. I can synchronize with my mail and news on excite no problem. This synchronization of Palm to whatever costs more to me since i don't need to synchronize to some no name program. Like i said in statement one, it covers more complete synchronizations of my existing data then palm does.
I love the look and feel of Palms, the OS is superb. But WindowsCE gave me alot of features for such a small device, and it runs rather good. I got a 130mhz Mips R4000 CPU pushing the power, and you can tell its there.
I dont disagree at all with the uses of a Palm Pilot device/PDA. But Windows CE has a future, and its just rapidly evolving in many directions.
My GCC compiler i'm working on will support Strong arm based cpu's shortly, and i will have direct X support, and hopefully I will get some code working on a DreamCast too, so i will have cross compilers available for Cygwin or Linux GCC systems.
Sure, i would have bought a laptop or pc based system if that was what i was looking for :)
The libretto is a work of art and craftsmanship, i'm not denying that at all, but so is the Casio :)
And both the casio and libretto come with a microsoft OS that is easily replaceable with linux.
for palm pc usage, this equates to about a weeks worth of battery power. considering it charges while i'm synchronizing and its itc cradle, its never died on me.
You can also purchase 75 hour batteries now.
americans naive? and you let your kids walk around with pickled private parts?
Figure this. My Cassiopeia E-105 has 32 megs of ram, i have a compact flash IBM MicroDrive with over 340 megs of storage.
I get all of the following features
Music MP3 or WMF
PIM Software
Not only music, stereo sound
65K colors, active matrix screem
Small, sturdy device
WindowsCE lets me code easily for network applications, it lets me surf the web, port over existing applications, and follows the same legacy as the Desktop OS.
Windows CE makes a powerfull embedded OS. Infact it may do too much for being embedded, but it works.
I've long since ditched all my other PDA's and handhelds and enjoy my handheld pc.
Plus, i've got GCC compiling WindowsCE binaries for mips processors now, and will be releasing a Cygwin based version for people to download, and i will help support open source applications under WindowsCE because WindowsCE gets the job done, and rather well.