This is not a flame. But please, slashdot. Lets get back to the roots of technology.
I *beg* of this website to totally quit being a media player, and become the news site it once was. I can go to news.com and get all this info, and the comments just aren't anything constructive for such a moot overly plaid topic already.
Microsoft is in its own boat, so is linux, so is solaris, so is netscape. But lets move on. Get back to "news for nerds, stuff that matters" as this microsoft trial is old news, it doesn't matter, as the outcome will only effect people who use windows avidly. And frankly, if there is a disucussion, it should be how a windows user should prepare for any changes, and not talk about "the beast" itself, because they're is no right or wrong with that.
I've been in the ISP business for years. Ran an ISP with 2000 customers and was the Systems Admin for an ISP with 150,000 customers.
Reliability Is the issue when it comes to email, and raid systems. Ofcourse Sun has the edge, so why not stick with Sun Software & hardware. The sun StorEdge A1000 has a caching controller and usually 30-40 gigs per rack, it plugs into your SCSI Bus, and you can simply add another Dual Channel Scsi card to split the load or add redudancy.
Network Appliances makes an Excellent Solution. NFS Toasters are the way to go in a distributed environment. Say you have customer on a shell account, well you can export the mail directory and mount it VIA NFS and access it from the shell servers without throwing more email load on them locally. NFS Toasters come in a great looking appliance rackmount case, and depending on how much storage you need, is how much rackspace you need.
And ofcourse there is StorageTek, which will run you a pretty penny, but offers Fibre Channel, or Multiple SCSI channel connections, full redundancy, caching, hotswap and maintenance features.
I'd never stick and IDE solution on a production box, You need something that you can get support on and Services on, so i'd suggest that you stick with the Sun StorEdge A1000 drive systems for complete compatibility and put it under the same Support contract as your UltraSparcl
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As far as email is concerned, you should setup an MX server to cache and forward incoming email, these work real nice since you can run RBL or pre-process out spam without killing the actuall server that holds and processes email for incoming clients. You have to look at a distributed environment, as email is precious to alot of people, and a single server machine is not gonna cut it when your upwards to 20,000 customers doing that much email.
I just got ADSL installed. My phone line is a voiceline from Bell Atlantic, They did a line check and run a filter at the DMARC and CommonWealth Telephone takes the DSL signal and then hands off the Internet to Epix.net.
It is expensive in the long run, i pay 18.95 for the phoneline from Bell Atlantic, 59.95 for the DSL service & Internet, and then 24.95 for static IP (They rape you here, getting a choice of ISP would save me 25.00 a month as other ISP's would give DSL a static IP since DHCP is a pain in the arse most of the time!!)
So i figure i spend about 110.00 a month for a voice line and a 640K download and 130k upload DSL link.
Its not a bad price, but there is no competition, and you have to sign contracts and it takes forever and a day to install.
Even though cable modems are much faster, i am guranteed my bandwidth, thats why i prefer DSL. Cable modems are on a very insecure shared network, and DSL is an ATM cloud, but i'm guranteed my uplink/downlink and can upgrade at the whim of a call, as my Alcatel 1000 speaks directly to the ATM switch and can be reconfigured on the fly for multiple mbits per second transfer rates.
I love it, downloading music in seconds, watching live video, running my cuseeme, playing unreal tournament. Its definatly worth the price you pay.
Its foolish to hear the "founding partners threatining to leave" as they're just looking for an excuse to cash out on there lucrative stock options, and i'm sure there is a clause that lets them sell if they should feel the company is not going in a direction they feel necessary.
On the other hand, why doesn't Redhat just form a corporate body for Gnome, and buy them out and finish up that product? They seem to have all but abandoned the KDE environment, and this would allow redhat to have a redhat library and foundation class for more of a "redhat" system..
With all the money redhat has, why does't it start aquiring some of the startups? Like finish its portal it promised, buy up some foundation companys to increase its product line. Aquire Applixware to offer an application environment. Start a coorporate body for Xfree86 to offer support sertvices and funding, and then aquire it or spin it off. Do what others are doing, making things work.. redhat seems to be sitting on there arses!
Its amazing how slow redhat as a company seems to move, yet they can keep up with their releases every 6 months.
Aquire, grow, increase losses, but show earnings are on a rise, force more cash infusions from investors, show bottom line is increasing so that your stock isn't over valued as much as it is...
don't just sit there and look like an aquisition from the very same company's that you failed to aquire! it won't be long before turbolinux will snag you, or if Caldera wins its lawsuit, expect them to have tons of money with nothing to do except aquire..
i didn't go to college, dropped out and got my GED for that matter. I did do what I needed to do and that was work my way up. Your average college entry level job isn't going to be the glamorous stock option get ritch in a year job. If you start your own company yourself or with some friends or get some good connections, well that can happen. Most jobs start out 10-12.00 an hour for entry level. Experience is a must, there is a *WHOLE* concept about IS/Networking/Consulting that school just can't teach you.
Figure within 5 years of any experience in the IT field your looking at 50k. I current make 55k, got 5 years of networking and unix experience. No college, doing that on the side. I get 401k, full medical/health/disability and life insurance, since the company is privatly held, they trade in some listed stocks that i get matchings from with deposits into my options and 401k plans. so in all i'm making a good deal for only being 23 years old.
It just depends.. I had a *HUGE* stock option once, company bellied over, 2 years later i sold my thousands of shares for 700.00 on the OTC market, so thats a risk you take.
Also.. If you like job hopping, you can always hop up to more cash, work here, there, get broad experience, training.. if you don't mind being busy all the time and on the road alot and no place to call home, i'd say you can easily make 80k a year...
And for those of you interested in being a systems administrator and looking at that shinny "up to 90k a year" salary, you'd better be prepaired to give up your life, and remember that a few thousand employees are *relying* on you that you gave up everything to run those servers.. its a very self gratifying position, but again, if you want to keep your marriege, deal with a lil bit less stress and simpler job and take the lower expectation salary:)
Ahem, who in there right mind has the judgement of what is or isn't a linux company or linux user?
MILLIONS of companies appear and dissapear without everyone knowing it. Why does this one have to be different?
So what about the security issues, redudant power my ass, tell me a single startup that carries multiple power circuits, pays a tier provider for redudant dns, has different accounts for everything and enough time and money to make everything perfect???
And last of all, what is a known user? I'm published in 5 os/2 books and ATLEAST a dozen linux books, i've been using linux since before it had a version #, i ran Yggdrasil back in the day, i was the first BBS in houston to offer LInux for download or purchase on 12 floppy disks, i moved on up through slackware and all the other distro's that soon followed.
And whats to say if i started a company, did an IPO, would someone criticize me and my "ethics" of business towards a "known" community?
That was the worst piece of egotistical writing i have ever seen, it brough it my ego, and i'm the most relaxed person i know.
If you know what you want, and you know to stay away, by all means its your decision. But just because they're not "linux gods in the known linux world" doesn't mean they cant be successfull or thrive in this new market.
It just irks me.. moderate me down if you want, but i still can't believe there is this notion of how things should be.. its no wonder linux could never make it to the masses, people like this doing the publishing would scare the market more then help it.
You know, i'm gonna sound extremely *COCKY* here, but this sounds exactly like Californication to me.. First it was expensive living, then the attitude, and then they started buying all the property in colorado and turning everything into resorts and now they want to turn linux into this "glamour" system that you must be portrayed in or made fun of..
hopefully redhat will keep its roots here.. but i remember when i read this same thing anout redhat a few years back, and then the same on Caldera.. oh well..
been using wine for a few years, as my article first stated.
and its been a few years, and still no 1.0 release, thats why i said, cut back, make a working release, and then add on..
most people don't wanna run software that changes versions with dates, and Wine will never be more then a toy if there is now version scheme other then just having the latest and greatest and hoping nothing changes:)
I'm proud of the wine team, great job, i don't disagree with that, but make a version that works, send it out.. too many bugs, too many features, too many kludges and no release date make it very un-usable.
Wine is a great idea, but for the years its been in the running, and the changes its evolved through i don't see it ever really completing.
There was another package that was anounced on slashdot a few weeks ago about a "winelib" type programming package that is coming so people can just cross compile.. dunno if we will see that..
I get solitaire to run, i've had other programs run, but once they work *DON'T* upgrade or make any changes, or else it may blow up.
I'd like to see wine start from square one. They have plenty of code to scavange through, they have a HUGE amount of the API documented and coded, but the project has evolved into such a beast that it limits out any growth in a direction that wasn't planned for a few years back.
Make a 1.0 milestone, say in 1.0 we will support Windows 3.1 apps, in 1.1 we will support win32, in 2.0 we will support Win95, in 3.0 we will support NT or whatever it may be.. but make it work for one layer, produce a 1.0 binary, get it in use, get the quirks resolved, have the foundation, learn from your mistakes, if it needs some re-work, re-work it, and then evolve it on up (only after feature locks, and then feature planning)
How could oracle call a system like this an NC when it doesn't fit they're NC model?
I mean oracle and SUN's "NC" model is based around small workstations, running from a central workstation.
In oracle and sun's visions, this includes the ability to run Java applications, which linux doesn't include a Java "Plugin" so you can't use these little boxes to acceess your "Main server" running oracle applications since they havn't released nor have any plans to release the Jinitiator or Java Plugin necessary for this to work under there "Network Computing" Environment.
just a ploy to scam more money.. doesn't even fit their business model since it doesn't support their own system.. bah humbug.
Now that RedHat has funding, why do i see more adds for turbo linux and other unices out there?
When will Java be a part of Linux? Lots of enterprise systems, such as Oracle, Veritas and other programs require JVM's and Java Plugins that don't exist
Again, now that there is money, who is lobbying for core support? Like Java, Hardware and Software drivers?
Who will take the lead on core system? - Don't give me an.1 upgrade because a new kde is out, what underlying technologies push your distribution outside of money?
Vendor Support - What are existing and future plans? Do you offer help to Palm Computer, Handspring and other Handheld devices for integration?
I guess my questions all lead to the same thing, there seems to be lots of money out there, but only enough to pay for what we got.. nothing is being pioneered except a "movement" and well, when things do get pioneered such as KDE 2.0 they get bitched at for vering off from other GUI's when it supposed to be a choice to begin with..
been able to theme kde for quite a while now.. can even plugin enlightenment.
I can look like a mac, beos, or whatever i want.. even changing icons, title bars, everything really.. under 1.0 it didn't work well, but 1.1 added a great theme manager, and 1.1.1 built apon that even more.
THE SCSL doesn't prevent you from modifying your own system.. it prevents you from modifying the system and distributing it (without the modifacations being approved), breaking the systems as a whole.
Now the SCSL allows system administrators to tweak there own systems out, previously kind of hard to do since most didn't have the money for the source..
There is no reason that the license should be an issue. It keeps the rights of the software under SUN. the GPL puts the rights under the Free Software Foundation, whom put it under the Community. But SUN doesn't want to rely on FSF and GNU foundation lawyers to protect its rights, and if i was a multibilion dollar company with responsibilities to my investors, i wouldn't do it either..
RedHat is and other companies base there system on the GNU code, adding to it.. Sun bases its business on its own code.. but alas is now providing it.
So there is nothing wrong with sun, nothing WRONG with its license.. if your "moraly effected" then go on a vacation and take a break from the computer for a while.
But it gives me control, allows me to make changes, and if i wanted to, I could sell those changes as a server or value added.
But if you just want them to GPL everything so Linux could get the code, then thats a different issue.
I've never really had any probelms with ATI, even there built in cards on the MB seem to work pretty well. A few years ago i used to sell ATI as the leading video board when i worked at computer city, and even today i would recommend ATI for your video board since they seem to have kept the same quality and support
now that they have official linux supports, thats even better!
Plain and simple, i can do a corporate rollout and everyone will have the same applications, same desktop, same system and same solution.
when java jre/jdk 1.2 tools come out, i can remotely upgrade evryones machine without anyone noticing. And i won't break anything since i can test it on my box, and know it will work on the rest since not everyone is running different window managers and such.
KDE is a great solution, and works great. Why do you need to include 50 window managers? Including a single window manager, and a single system design is a single point of failure and a single solution.
great for business, like i said, the easiest to rollout, easiest distro to support. Commercial backing, less hassle, more friendly. Not bleading edge, but new enough that its stable and works.
This is exactly the news i *NEED* to hear. Now if only the Java Plugin for linux was out. There once was "activator" but that is nowhere to be found.
Reason being, we deploy Oracle Applications Release 11.0, as do thousands of other enterprise companies, and thier is no way for clients to currently connect as there is no good java VM nor is there a working plugin.
amazing alot of enterprise features need java, a pure java vm would make it easier for Veritas to port its file systems & management software over, oracle applications could work, and just a bunch of business reporting and system software could fall in.
Can't wait! i'd say in the next 6 months, linux will have a system with all the features, and be able to innovate more instead of play catchup.
same goes for cable modems and dsl.. in most urban and alot of suburban areas, so many people are leaching mp3's running servers, downloading movies and flooding the bandwidth, that alot of times, the latency is quicker on a 56k modem or isdn device then dsl or cable access is..
Most PC's you see in the store's and on websites don't come with a network card factory installed..
Why would a DC need a network card? just dialup and play.. if you can afford DSL, and a DC you can probably afford the ~20 bucks a month for a phone line.. as most games aren't limited by bandwidth, and you probably don't need leach access on a DC..
for surfing, it may work pretty good to have an ethernet, but how well can it download at those rates and can the lil os handle it?
I don't believe nor disbelieve what Mr Katz has to say.
I can honestly say, i don't feel free in my own country, but its not my countries fault. Crime is rampant, politics are nothing but corrupt, officials are corrupt or hold powers that shouldn't be under there single control.
Union labor is a problem. Its nice to think people as a group have control, but i don't believe in union since they don't do anything as a group except protect themselves. I would believe in union labor if they would start there own companies, and work from the ground up instead of the top down.
Politicians, leave it to them to decide my future. Nobody really pays attention to how they control your lives until its too late. For example, my town has a horrendous crime problem, the mayors solution is to build a new police station. sounds good, but one problem, it costs 6 million dollars, and its only half a block down from the existing and fully functioning police station. That is really a waiste of money, and i can't stop my taxes from that waiste, and it urks me that this mayor has been in control for this long when he is this inept at his job. (BTW: lancaster PA is the town i'm reffering to).
About the ill, and people born terminally ill. Its there right to live, but its my right to live myself too. Don't spend my tax dollars on the terminally ill, spend it on prevention from those diseases or spend it on my own healthcare, and my own disease prevention. If its used to keep someone alive, save it to keep me alive. Sounds like i'm an asshole, but i can't stand watching the news seeing how crappy my retirement will be since the existing concepts and plans will be bankrupt, but its nice to know my tax dollars are being spent on terminally ill, instead of the prevention of these disease. Naturall selection has been around since the inception of everything around us, stars get swallowed by bigger stars, bears it smaller animals, big fish eat the small fish, strong big fish kills weak or sick big fish.. strong big fish never gave his food to the weak sick fish just to have it survive, but strong big fish would give its food to its healthy own baby fish to survive. Nature has its ways, and sometimes it has its own problems.. but polution, drugs, stress, poisons, wars, crimes, rapes, diseases and all these other man made problems create most of our terminally ill. leave it to us for our own demise.
Religion.. believe what you want to believe, but don't preach it to me. I believe my own beliefs, so don't EVEN try and get me to think otherwise. I don't dis other peoples beliefs, herritages and don't feel that should have any consideration on how my life is lived either. Just because your a perfect christian senator you shouldn't be able to take my right away to buy liquor on sunday mornings. You also shouldn't be able to take away cigarettes because they're bad for your health and leave guns for sale.. treat people as an equal society for a change..
society.. definatly heading for a civil war, be it a crackdown by police, a change of culture a movement by the people.. whatever it will be it doesn't have to involve guns, but there is alot of hate out there, alot of pain, and alot of grief.. thank god again my tax dollars are buying new police buildings, cars, and fancy hotel's for new convention centers.. but hey, kids can keep killing each other, schools can keep raising local taxes to pay for education, my car can keep getting broken and my property taxes can keep rising..
whats so free about being trapped by everyone elses beliefs. its not just "the us isn't free or i don't believe the us is as free as it could be" but maybe there is no such thing as freedom.. I can't drive my car fast on a road i made unless i register it as a race track and claim it private property.. otherwise a state trooper could give me a speeding ticket... i can't paint my house my own colors because county laws prohibit you form doing so. i can't admire nude paintings becuase some religious biggot won't let them hang, i can't be comfortable with my beliefs nor my personality in public, because people get offended, when in reality its none of there business..
people think people need to respect them for superiority, people SHOULd respect people for PEOPLE. but my life is my life, because i hate one kind of food doesn't mean i hate the people that make it..
Again, these discussions go really no where.. i'm suprised its on slashdot.. you can go off on so many tangents its not funny..
but, to hit the technology standpoint.. nothing has really been breakthrough since mans entrance into space.. bugdets are cut, computers have to be standardized, so new ones just are not accepted.. technology has to fit a budget and not a future.. we limit our minds to only things that will make us money instead of make us better (believe me.. GNU software does not make us a better person.. its a step to get technology to move instead of sit, but not quite something to base your principles on).
again its political.. my money gets spent on killing people, building new jets, i guess i've paid for a few bombs to be dropped.. i'm not at all proud of supporting the wars we go into, i don't believe in war.. but i guess as a us citizen i have to feel proud of our service men.. whats so proud about killing someone.. whats there to protect.. is civilization and peoples freedom based on an ego and superiority or is it based on humanity and choice?
yeah, especially when both show up as anonymous cowards:) I'm sick of the gpl discussion myself also, thats twice, or maybe even 3 times its come up this week in one story or another.. oh well..
so what.. mtv has another show people are gonna dis because its not true, nobody understands us, blah blah blah..
c'mon people.. you either A) Will watch this show B) Won't watch the show C) will be to stoned to do anything anyway..
this is just another rant on my behalf, BUT.... go ahead and dis the show, but don't request to be on it and dis it at the same time.
and real hackers.. what is a real hacker, what qualifies someone else to be "real" "hacker" over any other goober with a pc and alot of spare time?
just some ponderings, but you know, it is t.v. show, hopefully it wont be cheasy like the "Ghost in the machine" is. and hopefully it won't be the fight between good and evil of mitnick and such.
anyone have any info on what they will cover? MTV have a link?
Actually HP gurantees that they will provide support, they gurantee the hardware and software. They don't gurantee it won't crash, but for the several thousand a month we pay for a service contract, they do gurantee the system.
Thats what i can depend on.
No way in hell i can gurantee a Linux box that has a new release and new kernel every 6 months. i can't possibly tell my boss i need a 20,000 dollar support contract just for the latest version.
I think RedHat should also get into the hardware business and provide a server.. not a PC that can be used as a server, or atleast work with current vendors to have better solutions..
Compaq does have an edge these days now.. with there alpha achitecture, and they're modified redhat and own compilers and own kernel modifications they can provide the complete system coverage much like HP.. PC's will never have that safety.. much the same under NT.. OTH some NT systems are built around NT so they run better then the average box, but for businesses, they need a coverage on hardware, software and support because they're business relies on it and so do hundreds of jobs.
Why upgrade then if there are no "killer apps" to upgrade for? basically you just contradicted yourself:)
Why have release 6.1, 6.2, 6.5, 6.95 all the way up to 7.0 if people aren't gonna upgrade until 9.0 is out anyway? why not run 6.0, put out a patch/upgrade release.. let people update on there own time. and then have a new release with new features, and new features to use..
Every place i work at and have contracted to still use windows 95, as they have seen no reason to spend the time nor money upgrading
linux may be free, but to hire people to upgrade 500 machines every 6 months to be "latest" for no reason is an awfull expense to incure, and a huge problem against system reliability and stability.
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but my lordy, drop the disgusting looking new website and come up with something a lil more organized and appealing to the eyes..
Ouch!
I *beg* of this website to totally quit being a media player, and become the news site it once was. I can go to news.com and get all this info, and the comments just aren't anything constructive for such a moot overly plaid topic already.
Microsoft is in its own boat, so is linux, so is solaris, so is netscape. But lets move on. Get back to "news for nerds, stuff that matters" as this microsoft trial is old news, it doesn't matter, as the outcome will only effect people who use windows avidly. And frankly, if there is a disucussion, it should be how a windows user should prepare for any changes, and not talk about "the beast" itself, because they're is no right or wrong with that.
Just my 2 cents
Reliability Is the issue when it comes to email, and raid systems. Ofcourse Sun has the edge, so why not stick with Sun Software & hardware. The sun StorEdge A1000 has a caching controller and usually 30-40 gigs per rack, it plugs into your SCSI Bus, and you can simply add another Dual Channel Scsi card to split the load or add redudancy.
Network Appliances makes an Excellent Solution. NFS Toasters are the way to go in a distributed environment. Say you have customer on a shell account, well you can export the mail directory and mount it VIA NFS and access it from the shell servers without throwing more email load on them locally. NFS Toasters come in a great looking appliance rackmount case, and depending on how much storage you need, is how much rackspace you need.
And ofcourse there is StorageTek, which will run you a pretty penny, but offers Fibre Channel, or Multiple SCSI channel connections, full redundancy, caching, hotswap and maintenance features.
I'd never stick and IDE solution on a production box, You need something that you can get support on and Services on, so i'd suggest that you stick with the Sun StorEdge A1000 drive systems for complete compatibility and put it under the same Support contract as your UltraSparcl
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As far as email is concerned, you should setup an MX server to cache and forward incoming email, these work real nice since you can run RBL or pre-process out spam without killing the actuall server that holds and processes email for incoming clients. You have to look at a distributed environment, as email is precious to alot of people, and a single server machine is not gonna cut it when your upwards to 20,000 customers doing that much email.
PS. Try out Qmail too :) smaller footprint!
It is expensive in the long run, i pay 18.95 for the phoneline from Bell Atlantic, 59.95 for the DSL service & Internet, and then 24.95 for static IP (They rape you here, getting a choice of ISP would save me 25.00 a month as other ISP's would give DSL a static IP since DHCP is a pain in the arse most of the time!!)
So i figure i spend about 110.00 a month for a voice line and a 640K download and 130k upload DSL link.
Its not a bad price, but there is no competition, and you have to sign contracts and it takes forever and a day to install.
Even though cable modems are much faster, i am guranteed my bandwidth, thats why i prefer DSL. Cable modems are on a very insecure shared network, and DSL is an ATM cloud, but i'm guranteed my uplink/downlink and can upgrade at the whim of a call, as my Alcatel 1000 speaks directly to the ATM switch and can be reconfigured on the fly for multiple mbits per second transfer rates.
I love it, downloading music in seconds, watching live video, running my cuseeme, playing unreal tournament. Its definatly worth the price you pay.
On the other hand, why doesn't Redhat just form a corporate body for Gnome, and buy them out and finish up that product? They seem to have all but abandoned the KDE environment, and this would allow redhat to have a redhat library and foundation class for more of a "redhat" system..
With all the money redhat has, why does't it start aquiring some of the startups? Like finish its portal it promised, buy up some foundation companys to increase its product line. Aquire Applixware to offer an application environment. Start a coorporate body for Xfree86 to offer support sertvices and funding, and then aquire it or spin it off. Do what others are doing, making things work.. redhat seems to be sitting on there arses!
Its amazing how slow redhat as a company seems to move, yet they can keep up with their releases every 6 months.
Aquire, grow, increase losses, but show earnings are on a rise, force more cash infusions from investors, show bottom line is increasing so that your stock isn't over valued as much as it is...
don't just sit there and look like an aquisition from the very same company's that you failed to aquire! it won't be long before turbolinux will snag you, or if Caldera wins its lawsuit, expect them to have tons of money with nothing to do except aquire..
Figure within 5 years of any experience in the IT field your looking at 50k. I current make 55k, got 5 years of networking and unix experience. No college, doing that on the side. I get 401k, full medical/health/disability and life insurance, since the company is privatly held, they trade in some listed stocks that i get matchings from with deposits into my options and 401k plans. so in all i'm making a good deal for only being 23 years old.
It just depends.. I had a *HUGE* stock option once, company bellied over, 2 years later i sold my thousands of shares for 700.00 on the OTC market, so thats a risk you take.
Also.. If you like job hopping, you can always hop up to more cash, work here, there, get broad experience, training.. if you don't mind being busy all the time and on the road alot and no place to call home, i'd say you can easily make 80k a year...
And for those of you interested in being a systems administrator and looking at that shinny "up to 90k a year" salary, you'd better be prepaired to give up your life, and remember that a few thousand employees are *relying* on you that you gave up everything to run those servers.. its a very self gratifying position, but again, if you want to keep your marriege, deal with a lil bit less stress and simpler job and take the lower expectation salary :)
MILLIONS of companies appear and dissapear without everyone knowing it. Why does this one have to be different?
So what about the security issues, redudant power my ass, tell me a single startup that carries multiple power circuits, pays a tier provider for redudant dns, has different accounts for everything and enough time and money to make everything perfect???
And last of all, what is a known user? I'm published in 5 os/2 books and ATLEAST a dozen linux books, i've been using linux since before it had a version #, i ran Yggdrasil back in the day, i was the first BBS in houston to offer LInux for download or purchase on 12 floppy disks, i moved on up through slackware and all the other distro's that soon followed.
And whats to say if i started a company, did an IPO, would someone criticize me and my "ethics" of business towards a "known" community?
That was the worst piece of egotistical writing i have ever seen, it brough it my ego, and i'm the most relaxed person i know.
If you know what you want, and you know to stay away, by all means its your decision. But just because they're not "linux gods in the known linux world" doesn't mean they cant be successfull or thrive in this new market.
It just irks me.. moderate me down if you want, but i still can't believe there is this notion of how things should be.. its no wonder linux could never make it to the masses, people like this doing the publishing would scare the market more then help it.
You know, i'm gonna sound extremely *COCKY* here, but this sounds exactly like Californication to me.. First it was expensive living, then the attitude, and then they started buying all the property in colorado and turning everything into resorts and now they want to turn linux into this "glamour" system that you must be portrayed in or made fun of..
hopefully redhat will keep its roots here.. but i remember when i read this same thing anout redhat a few years back, and then the same on Caldera.. oh well..
and its been a few years, and still no 1.0 release, thats why i said, cut back, make a working release, and then add on..
most people don't wanna run software that changes versions with dates, and Wine will never be more then a toy if there is now version scheme other then just having the latest and greatest and hoping nothing changes :)
I'm proud of the wine team, great job, i don't disagree with that, but make a version that works, send it out.. too many bugs, too many features, too many kludges and no release date make it very un-usable.
There was another package that was anounced on slashdot a few weeks ago about a "winelib" type programming package that is coming so people can just cross compile.. dunno if we will see that..
I get solitaire to run, i've had other programs run, but once they work *DON'T* upgrade or make any changes, or else it may blow up.
I'd like to see wine start from square one. They have plenty of code to scavange through, they have a HUGE amount of the API documented and coded, but the project has evolved into such a beast that it limits out any growth in a direction that wasn't planned for a few years back.
Make a 1.0 milestone, say in 1.0 we will support Windows 3.1 apps, in 1.1 we will support win32, in 2.0 we will support Win95, in 3.0 we will support NT or whatever it may be.. but make it work for one layer, produce a 1.0 binary, get it in use, get the quirks resolved, have the foundation, learn from your mistakes, if it needs some re-work, re-work it, and then evolve it on up (only after feature locks, and then feature planning)
I mean oracle and SUN's "NC" model is based around small workstations, running from a central workstation.
In oracle and sun's visions, this includes the ability to run Java applications, which linux doesn't include a Java "Plugin" so you can't use these little boxes to acceess your "Main server" running oracle applications since they havn't released nor have any plans to release the Jinitiator or Java Plugin necessary for this to work under there "Network Computing" Environment.
just a ploy to scam more money.. doesn't even fit their business model since it doesn't support their own system.. bah humbug.
Now that RedHat has funding, why do i see more adds for turbo linux and other unices out there?
When will Java be a part of Linux? Lots of enterprise systems, such as Oracle, Veritas and other programs require JVM's and Java Plugins that don't exist
Again, now that there is money, who is lobbying for core support? Like Java, Hardware and Software drivers?
Who will take the lead on core system? - Don't give me an .1 upgrade because a new kde is out, what underlying technologies push your distribution outside of money?
Vendor Support - What are existing and future plans? Do you offer help to Palm Computer, Handspring and other Handheld devices for integration?
I guess my questions all lead to the same thing, there seems to be lots of money out there, but only enough to pay for what we got.. nothing is being pioneered except a "movement" and well, when things do get pioneered such as KDE 2.0 they get bitched at for vering off from other GUI's when it supposed to be a choice to begin with..
I can look like a mac, beos, or whatever i want.. even changing icons, title bars, everything really.. under 1.0 it didn't work well, but 1.1 added a great theme manager, and 1.1.1 built apon that even more.
Now the SCSL allows system administrators to tweak there own systems out, previously kind of hard to do since most didn't have the money for the source..
There is no reason that the license should be an issue. It keeps the rights of the software under SUN. the GPL puts the rights under the Free Software Foundation, whom put it under the Community. But SUN doesn't want to rely on FSF and GNU foundation lawyers to protect its rights, and if i was a multibilion dollar company with responsibilities to my investors, i wouldn't do it either..
RedHat is and other companies base there system on the GNU code, adding to it.. Sun bases its business on its own code.. but alas is now providing it.
So there is nothing wrong with sun, nothing WRONG with its license.. if your "moraly effected" then go on a vacation and take a break from the computer for a while.
But it gives me control, allows me to make changes, and if i wanted to, I could sell those changes as a server or value added.
But if you just want them to GPL everything so Linux could get the code, then thats a different issue.
now that they have official linux supports, thats even better!
congrats!
Plain and simple, i can do a corporate rollout and everyone will have the same applications, same desktop, same system and same solution.
when java jre/jdk 1.2 tools come out, i can remotely upgrade evryones machine without anyone noticing. And i won't break anything since i can test it on my box, and know it will work on the rest since not everyone is running different window managers and such.
KDE is a great solution, and works great. Why do you need to include 50 window managers? Including a single window manager, and a single system design is a single point of failure and a single solution.
great for business, like i said, the easiest to rollout, easiest distro to support. Commercial backing, less hassle, more friendly. Not bleading edge, but new enough that its stable and works.
What more could you want from the *best* distro?
Reason being, we deploy Oracle Applications Release 11.0, as do thousands of other enterprise companies, and thier is no way for clients to currently connect as there is no good java VM nor is there a working plugin.
amazing alot of enterprise features need java, a pure java vm would make it easier for Veritas to port its file systems & management software over, oracle applications could work, and just a bunch of business reporting and system software could fall in.
Can't wait! i'd say in the next 6 months, linux will have a system with all the features, and be able to innovate more instead of play catchup.
same goes for cable modems and dsl.. in most urban and alot of suburban areas, so many people are leaching mp3's running servers, downloading movies and flooding the bandwidth, that alot of times, the latency is quicker on a 56k modem or isdn device then dsl or cable access is..
Why would a DC need a network card? just dialup and play.. if you can afford DSL, and a DC you can probably afford the ~20 bucks a month for a phone line.. as most games aren't limited by bandwidth, and you probably don't need leach access on a DC..
for surfing, it may work pretty good to have an ethernet, but how well can it download at those rates and can the lil os handle it?
I can honestly say, i don't feel free in my own country, but its not my countries fault. Crime is rampant, politics are nothing but corrupt, officials are corrupt or hold powers that shouldn't be under there single control.
Union labor is a problem. Its nice to think people as a group have control, but i don't believe in union since they don't do anything as a group except protect themselves. I would believe in union labor if they would start there own companies, and work from the ground up instead of the top down.
Politicians, leave it to them to decide my future. Nobody really pays attention to how they control your lives until its too late. For example, my town has a horrendous crime problem, the mayors solution is to build a new police station. sounds good, but one problem, it costs 6 million dollars, and its only half a block down from the existing and fully functioning police station. That is really a waiste of money, and i can't stop my taxes from that waiste, and it urks me that this mayor has been in control for this long when he is this inept at his job. (BTW: lancaster PA is the town i'm reffering to).
About the ill, and people born terminally ill. Its there right to live, but its my right to live myself too. Don't spend my tax dollars on the terminally ill, spend it on prevention from those diseases or spend it on my own healthcare, and my own disease prevention. If its used to keep someone alive, save it to keep me alive. Sounds like i'm an asshole, but i can't stand watching the news seeing how crappy my retirement will be since the existing concepts and plans will be bankrupt, but its nice to know my tax dollars are being spent on terminally ill, instead of the prevention of these disease. Naturall selection has been around since the inception of everything around us, stars get swallowed by bigger stars, bears it smaller animals, big fish eat the small fish, strong big fish kills weak or sick big fish.. strong big fish never gave his food to the weak sick fish just to have it survive, but strong big fish would give its food to its healthy own baby fish to survive. Nature has its ways, and sometimes it has its own problems.. but polution, drugs, stress, poisons, wars, crimes, rapes, diseases and all these other man made problems create most of our terminally ill. leave it to us for our own demise.
Religion.. believe what you want to believe, but don't preach it to me. I believe my own beliefs, so don't EVEN try and get me to think otherwise. I don't dis other peoples beliefs, herritages and don't feel that should have any consideration on how my life is lived either. Just because your a perfect christian senator you shouldn't be able to take my right away to buy liquor on sunday mornings. You also shouldn't be able to take away cigarettes because they're bad for your health and leave guns for sale.. treat people as an equal society for a change..
society.. definatly heading for a civil war, be it a crackdown by police, a change of culture a movement by the people.. whatever it will be it doesn't have to involve guns, but there is alot of hate out there, alot of pain, and alot of grief.. thank god again my tax dollars are buying new police buildings, cars, and fancy hotel's for new convention centers.. but hey, kids can keep killing each other, schools can keep raising local taxes to pay for education, my car can keep getting broken and my property taxes can keep rising..
whats so free about being trapped by everyone elses beliefs. its not just "the us isn't free or i don't believe the us is as free as it could be" but maybe there is no such thing as freedom.. I can't drive my car fast on a road i made unless i register it as a race track and claim it private property.. otherwise a state trooper could give me a speeding ticket... i can't paint my house my own colors because county laws prohibit you form doing so. i can't admire nude paintings becuase some religious biggot won't let them hang, i can't be comfortable with my beliefs nor my personality in public, because people get offended, when in reality its none of there business..
people think people need to respect them for superiority, people SHOULd respect people for PEOPLE. but my life is my life, because i hate one kind of food doesn't mean i hate the people that make it..
Again, these discussions go really no where.. i'm suprised its on slashdot.. you can go off on so many tangents its not funny..
but, to hit the technology standpoint.. nothing has really been breakthrough since mans entrance into space.. bugdets are cut, computers have to be standardized, so new ones just are not accepted.. technology has to fit a budget and not a future.. we limit our minds to only things that will make us money instead of make us better (believe me.. GNU software does not make us a better person.. its a step to get technology to move instead of sit, but not quite something to base your principles on).
again its political.. my money gets spent on killing people, building new jets, i guess i've paid for a few bombs to be dropped.. i'm not at all proud of supporting the wars we go into, i don't believe in war.. but i guess as a us citizen i have to feel proud of our service men.. whats so proud about killing someone.. whats there to protect.. is civilization and peoples freedom based on an ego and superiority or is it based on humanity and choice?
yeah, especially when both show up as anonymous cowards :) I'm sick of the gpl discussion myself also, thats twice, or maybe even 3 times its come up this week in one story or another.. oh well..
c'mon people.. you either A) Will watch this show B) Won't watch the show C) will be to stoned to do anything anyway..
this is just another rant on my behalf, BUT.... go ahead and dis the show, but don't request to be on it and dis it at the same time.
and real hackers.. what is a real hacker, what qualifies someone else to be "real" "hacker" over any other goober with a pc and alot of spare time?
just some ponderings, but you know, it is t.v. show, hopefully it wont be cheasy like the "Ghost in the machine" is. and hopefully it won't be the fight between good and evil of mitnick and such.
anyone have any info on what they will cover? MTV have a link?
well, i wrote it at work.. i don't really have the time to proofread it, when all i have is a few minutes for lunch.
Thats what i can depend on.
No way in hell i can gurantee a Linux box that has a new release and new kernel every 6 months. i can't possibly tell my boss i need a 20,000 dollar support contract just for the latest version.
I think RedHat should also get into the hardware business and provide a server.. not a PC that can be used as a server, or atleast work with current vendors to have better solutions..
Compaq does have an edge these days now.. with there alpha achitecture, and they're modified redhat and own compilers and own kernel modifications they can provide the complete system coverage much like HP.. PC's will never have that safety.. much the same under NT.. OTH some NT systems are built around NT so they run better then the average box, but for businesses, they need a coverage on hardware, software and support because they're business relies on it and so do hundreds of jobs.
Why have release 6.1, 6.2, 6.5, 6.95 all the way up to 7.0 if people aren't gonna upgrade until 9.0 is out anyway? why not run 6.0, put out a patch/upgrade release.. let people update on there own time. and then have a new release with new features, and new features to use..
Every place i work at and have contracted to still use windows 95, as they have seen no reason to spend the time nor money upgrading
linux may be free, but to hire people to upgrade 500 machines every 6 months to be "latest" for no reason is an awfull expense to incure, and a huge problem against system reliability and stability.