(1) No judge is going to deny himself the pleasure of hearing this case, even though it means sitting there trying to stop laughing. They're human too- they can do with a laugh
(20 It will be far more preventative to let it come to court and THEN blast it to kingdom come rather than throw it out and let other morons try again. Better suffer the pain (or amusement, see above) once and set a precedent. And it has the benefit of allowing the blogger to ask for costs, heightening that pain belonging to true education by fire.
So I think it'll get to court. No further, but I think it may get there.
I bought a new laptop because my existing one needed to go into service. I'm naturally disinclined to use something unproven but I was given no choice (I reckoned that the hardware mattered more to me so I went ahead).
Anyway, to cut a long story short - I will *never* use Vista again. I had Vista "for business" but it is better named "AGAINST business" for the following reasons:
It doesn't work. This was on a Sony VAIO SZ4, so-called "Vista ready". Well, it wasn't. Frequent lockups, a gazillion popups ("you have moved your mouse - allow/deny?"), running like a slug, taking forever to boot up, I could go on. If I hadn't used Beryl on Linux I could have suffered under the delusion that Vista is just heavy on the machine because of graphics but Beryl proves it can be FAST and pretty if you code properly.
It is extremely chatty on the Net. I logged traffic emanating from this machine that I most certainly did not authorise. I spend a good hour or so disabling all the phone-home features that somehow default to the suppliers' preference and there was still plenty going on in the background. Sorry, not in my backyard, not with IT *I* paid for and not with bandwidth that is under *my* contract. If you want to hire my computer, go ahead and sign a contract, otherwise it's simply theft (that's what spam is as well).
DRM IS A MAJOR, REPEAT, MAJOR THREAT TO BUSINESS STABILITY AND RESILIENCE. Analyse how DRM works: the chain from origin to output has to be 100% functional for you to reach your information (that's why the word "chain" is so appropriate here). That has a few obvious implications and I can't believe that so little is made of it. Tell me where I'm wrong here:
- if any component in the chain fails, access to any DRM "protected" resource is impossible. I may be wrong here, but AFAIK that means the MTBF of such a chain is the lowest MTBF of the components involved, divided by the number of components. That makes failure not a probability, it makes it a certainty. - it puts serious barriers in the way to fast recovery from problems. - NONE of the components in this chain is of a long and trusted heritage. I would be very interested to meet the person who is willing to entrust his entire corporate infrastructure to a Microsoft + hardware vendors beta test. As it happens, it appears many are prepared to do so - it's going to be interesting to see anyone claim off insurance when it goes wrong.
As for that laptop, I solved the problem with installing Ubuntu, VMWare and an as yet unused OEM copy of Windows XP (I don't use unlicensed software). Works for me, stable, and less of a worry re viruses (I have been using Openoffice.org for a year now as it works under Linux AND Windows).
Vista? No way. From what I hear from others it has proved quite a sales push, but for Windows XP licenses, Macs and Linux. Given the amount of talent MS has hired I take that as the lowest return on investment ever.
they have the financial and monopolistic resources to try and try again until they get it right.
(1) Maybe, just maybe, do I object to being part of a beta test / learning process. Maybe I'm not quite a 'regular' user, but I feel strongly that if I invest in something like software, that should pay for the development. I don't see why I should sink extra time in coping with the deficiencies that should not have been there to start with.
(2) OK, so why did it take them so long? It's not like the company is short of talent, but somehow they seem to be unable to harnass it.
I remember buying a Samsonite briefcase with digital lock. Two weeks later I had a bunch of people try to open it over a weekend. Nobody managed to crack the 4 digit lock during the two days despite trying all available combinations and despite me opening it every time when I was handed it.
Why?
Because they DIDN'T try all available combinations. I discovered that the Samsonite digital lock with 4 positions from 0..9 can have a total of 11110 combinations instead of 10000 because you do not need to use all positions (which is not even in the little manual). In other words, the number of possible combinations is 10000 + 1000 + 100 + 10. The combination in use was "9" with me pretending to press the remaining 3 digits so there was a little bit of misdirection involved:-)
Having said that, that specific lock has a more fundamental flaw that allows it to be easily reset, and this type of briefcase is not popular with airport security so I eventually stopped using it.
I mean, sacrifying *virgins*. I was going to mention something about bloodied keyboards but that opened such a vast gulf of associated thoughts that I'm not going there, grin.
I think you're a bit harsh alluding to this as corruption. MS staff is rather good at misdirection - the way these guys are trained suggest they must have a tame ex Jehovah Witness somewhere.
This guy may genuinely believe that he's been given socio-political arguments that trump the decision power of the Standards board, and that there would be no point in discussing it with mere 'techies'.
It's not the first time I've seen that happen and it won't be last time either, I think. It's up to us to expose this but it's hard work. But hey, nothing worthwhile is ever easy..
..being able to behave like a moron appears to be considered a perk of the job. I always find it interesting to observe what an illusion of power does to people. Those with character and backbone don't change their behaviour (draw your own conclusions here:-).
Having said that, courteous behavior comes from two sides..
I think the fact that you take ADVANTAGE of the deficiency is where the issue lies. It's a bit like leaving your front door open - that's still not an invite for others to come in and help themselves.
However, as someone else said - you're in a hurry and you just grab what it gives you, how are you going to know it made a mistake until much later? And will you be sure it as the ATM, or something else you got paid?
And can the bank prove exactly how much was dispensed? Logically, if that mechanism was reliable the bank wouldn't have that problem in the first place..
It's going to have to be one hell of a beam to get past the current fashion of wearing sunglasses. And with mirror effect there could be amusing side effects..
I haven't seen the letters yet, but it would not be unreasonable to assume that they hold a threat of litigation without there being a factual basis, i.e. an as yet unfounded accusation. IANAL, but if I recall correctly there are laws against that. If their past "evidence" is anything to go by I would actually like to see ONE case that has been proven properly. Just one, to see if they can actually get this to work without abusing the law and mob tactics.
Add to that the fact that no proceedings exist until the RIAA has all your personal details I think it'll be harder creating something that will stand a chance in Court, especially since recent rulings where judges have started to ask the RIAA to follow proper legal process instead of trying to selectively dodge the bits that allow a recipient to ask some rather painful questions. Oh, and why are people asked to self-incriminate?
Copyright infringement is *not* good, but there's such a thing as proof and due process. Even if that is inconvenient, it has to be followed.
400 canopies + passengers weighing twice as much + the huge per seat cost = no way.
And in a helicopter it gets a bit tricky too. Not sure there IS a safe place in a heli that's going down other than not being in it in the first place. Anything affecting the rotor and you're history, I think (I'm no expert, but it appears to me that losing the rotor is about the same as losing the wings off a plane - at that point gravity wins).
I'm not kidding - I've had several good rescues using OpenOffice. I have heard complaints that OO's calc isn't as capable as Excel, but I'm in no position to judge - my work with spreadsheets never gets so complicated that I need anything heavy (as long as my invoices get produced and paid I'm happy:-).
However, where it does get heavy is documentation, and for that I would not ever go back to MS Office. In OpenOffice, styles WORK. It doesn't end up this complete screaming mess that you get with cut & paste in Word, and I frequently 'rescue' other people's work which won't even load anymore in Word by just pulling it into OO and tidying it up. Not to mention word prediction, especially when you work with complex terms it seriously lowers your error rate. AutoCorrect IMHO creates an addiction, because your fingers never unlearn the 'wrong' word (anyone noticing the increase of "teh" instead of "the"? There's your answer).
I'm astonished that MS can't get it right after so many years. Or maybe that wasn't the focus - I've come to the conclusion that they take the consultants' approach to fixing a problem: never fix it completely, and always keep the hope alive that the next engagement will be closure. Yeah - right..
Interesting, must have a look at EnCase, just out of curiosity (I banned anything with copyright problems years ago so I'm not worried - I don't even use Office anymore, but OO).
However, I am not sure you could consider the artifacts evidence as they point into space if you load up the 'regular' Truecrypt drive. All that you can prove is that the data may have been present at some time, but the hard evidence is missing, it's as if you erased it. Forensics could never get further than a reasonable suspicion, but there would be no proof unless you're so dumb to admit to a hidden volume.
A decent interrogator will probably trip you up on that (yes, even without Guantanamo Bay) but as long as they don't have a password they have zip, I think. Of course, IMHO, IANAL.
I personally think you're dumb if you're doing something illegal. Hide data for privacy reasons, yes. But there's little reason to be on the wrong side of the law these days, IMHO.
That's nothing new. I totally stopped using calculators years ago when I caught a friend of mine adding 2+3 up on the command line of an Apple II, mid conversation. No, I kid you not, two plus three, and he'd only realised it when I pointed it out.
I think he's done me a favour , it made me aware very early on that the brain is like a muscle and needs exercising.
There is a sort of fast food trend in the media which mirrors this problem. Let's just believe the headline without spending any critical thought on what lies behind it - that's like hard work. The result is fairly evident..
I wonder if Microsoft is busy abandoning the software business.
First we get Vista, with a reported 20+ services phoning home with enough detail to make what Redmond get personally identifiable, not to mention that the Business version in my experience is an absolute dog to run compared to XP or Linux on the same "Vista approved" hardware. So we have instant privacy and security problems that come with the package, and new code which will take another year to become actually safe and usable (cute visuals do not maketh a usable business OS, especially if you have to retrain everyone - might as well take the plunge and retrain them on Macs or Linux).
Then we get the latest Office, which will work in Microsoft's attempt to create an 'Open' file format. That effort has mainly demonstrated that they (a) don't know what Open means, (b) don't see what their customers are asking for and (c) don't care about the previous two aspects, to the point of not understanding that their effort is alienating their increasingly savvy customers.
What's more, the 'Open' documentation has already given rise to the question if their flawed Excel spreadsheet functions (as documented) are new defects, or simply the first documentation of an already existing flawed interpretation of the laws of mathematics - any calculation done on an Excel spreadsheet to report financial results could now be seen as breaking diligence. In other words, using Excel knowingly may even carry a risk of criminal charges (IMHO, IANAL). Which executive would want that risk, especially with lower cost alternatives at hand that support a file format than can be machine processed and has been accepted at EU level?
However, MS trying to move into other markets hasn't been quite the success they'd hoped for either. Huge repair bills for Xbox, Zune zonked, and a lot of suppliers opting for a less license encumbered OS in their phones - it's all looking a tad shabby for your average clued up investor. Not a stock I'd keep on my portfolio, and following the progression other companies have made I think death by lawyer (suing your customers) cannot be far away.
And now, new idea, they're trying to move ads beyond your control into the core OS. Oh yes, that really will help drive up productivity in an office. And it'll be a primary risk vector if it gets infected.
Oh, yeah, I forgot, any new MS OS is the safest ever. Shame it still gets hacked before it's even launched. Talk about losing credibility..
Sure, I'm probably just a Mac/Linux fanboy. Isn't it irritating that even the less vocal ones in that category get proven right all the time? I don't choose an OS because of its fanbase, I chose it because it works for my business and I can see through the FUD (and OK, we're not a thousand seat business). I've had one office on OO exclusively now for 6 months, and no client has even noticed the difference - they're now switching to Linux completely. All the other offices are busy being switched to all Open Source based software in the next few months (using the holiday season), with the occasional Mac thrown in for graphics work.
And you know the best news? No virus problems, no daily 'reboot now' updates, no Genuine Advantage, no BSA/FAST worries.
I heard recently that a study by some Dutch Uni has proven that crime rates do not notably alter, only that more cases are solved AFTERWARDS. So a lower crime rate is apparently not on the cards.
It will be, of course, a great relief to you that when you're dying in the gutter from bleeding to death via a knife wound they will be able to find out who did it. That is, until they wear hoodies - banning that in the UK hasn't quite worked.
But hell, it'll make mony for someone, and the next step towards 1984 has been achieved. Well done.
By the way, it's also a preparation for a congestion charge system as it exists in London. But nobody has dared mentioning that one yet, I think..
When Postine doesn't need to store for compliace reasons the whole email filtering process never hits a disk - it stays in memory all the way through.
That's also why the average time between receipt of mail by Postini and your incoming server receiving the header is in the region of 400ms or so, as opposed to, say Messagelabs which is (if I recall correctly) somewhere between 2 and 4 minutes.
Postini is also the only one who also has a Swiss hosted setup, and it's thus the only one who can filter for Swiss banks.. Control of the lot is done from Zurich (it has to be legally limited to originating from a Swiss location only).
I hope Google keeps it the way it's going, I like the company. And if I recall correctly,Google Zurich HQ aren't that far removed from Postini's offices so that is at leats not too much effort:-)
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(1) No judge is going to deny himself the pleasure of hearing this case, even though it means sitting there trying to stop laughing. They're human too- they can do with a laugh
(20 It will be far more preventative to let it come to court and THEN blast it to kingdom come rather than throw it out and let other morons try again. Better suffer the pain (or amusement, see above) once and set a precedent. And it has the benefit of allowing the blogger to ask for costs, heightening that pain belonging to true education by fire.
So I think it'll get to court. No further, but I think it may get there.
I bought a new laptop because my existing one needed to go into service. I'm naturally disinclined to use something unproven but I was given no choice (I reckoned that the hardware mattered more to me so I went ahead).
Anyway, to cut a long story short - I will *never* use Vista again. I had Vista "for business" but it is better named "AGAINST business" for the following reasons:
It doesn't work. This was on a Sony VAIO SZ4, so-called "Vista ready". Well, it wasn't. Frequent lockups, a gazillion popups ("you have moved your mouse - allow/deny?"), running like a slug, taking forever to boot up, I could go on. If I hadn't used Beryl on Linux I could have suffered under the delusion that Vista is just heavy on the machine because of graphics but Beryl proves it can be FAST and pretty if you code properly.
It is extremely chatty on the Net. I logged traffic emanating from this machine that I most certainly did not authorise. I spend a good hour or so disabling all the phone-home features that somehow default to the suppliers' preference and there was still plenty going on in the background. Sorry, not in my backyard, not with IT *I* paid for and not with bandwidth that is under *my* contract. If you want to hire my computer, go ahead and sign a contract, otherwise it's simply theft (that's what spam is as well).
DRM IS A MAJOR, REPEAT, MAJOR THREAT TO BUSINESS STABILITY AND RESILIENCE. Analyse how DRM works: the chain from origin to output has to be 100% functional for you to reach your information (that's why the word "chain" is so appropriate here). That has a few obvious implications and I can't believe that so little is made of it. Tell me where I'm wrong here:
- if any component in the chain fails, access to any DRM "protected" resource is impossible. I may be wrong here, but AFAIK that means the MTBF of such a chain is the lowest MTBF of the components involved, divided by the number of components. That makes failure not a probability, it makes it a certainty.
- it puts serious barriers in the way to fast recovery from problems.
- NONE of the components in this chain is of a long and trusted heritage. I would be very interested to meet the person who is willing to entrust his entire corporate infrastructure to a Microsoft + hardware vendors beta test. As it happens, it appears many are prepared to do so - it's going to be interesting to see anyone claim off insurance when it goes wrong.
As for that laptop, I solved the problem with installing Ubuntu, VMWare and an as yet unused OEM copy of Windows XP (I don't use unlicensed software). Works for me, stable, and less of a worry re viruses (I have been using Openoffice.org for a year now as it works under Linux AND Windows).
Vista? No way. From what I hear from others it has proved quite a sales push, but for Windows XP licenses, Macs and Linux. Given the amount of talent MS has hired I take that as the lowest return on investment ever.
They can keep it.
Given the nature of the Beast it would not extravagant not to make assumptions other than expecting worst case..
Any particular frequency? (sorry, couldn't resist :-).
(1) Maybe, just maybe, do I object to being part of a beta test / learning process. Maybe I'm not quite a 'regular' user, but I feel strongly that if I invest in something like software, that should pay for the development. I don't see why I should sink extra time in coping with the deficiencies that should not have been there to start with.
(2) OK, so why did it take them so long? It's not like the company is short of talent, but somehow they seem to be unable to harnass it.
It seems some of them get spooked by the presence of electronics, buttons + battery near the handle.
:-).
Oh, and making the little display say "bomb" is probably not a good idea either (but I avoided that, seemed a cheap joke
I remember buying a Samsonite briefcase with digital lock. Two weeks later I had a bunch of people try to open it over a weekend. Nobody managed to crack the 4 digit lock during the two days despite trying all available combinations and despite me opening it every time when I was handed it.
:-)
Why?
Because they DIDN'T try all available combinations. I discovered that the Samsonite digital lock with 4 positions from 0..9 can have a total of 11110 combinations instead of 10000 because you do not need to use all positions (which is not even in the little manual). In other words, the number of possible combinations is 10000 + 1000 + 100 + 10. The combination in use was "9" with me pretending to press the remaining 3 digits so there was a little bit of misdirection involved
Having said that, that specific lock has a more fundamental flaw that allows it to be easily reset, and this type of briefcase is not popular with airport security so I eventually stopped using it.
I mean, sacrifying *virgins*. I was going to mention something about bloodied keyboards but that opened such a vast gulf of associated thoughts that I'm not going there, grin.
$2000 goes a reasonable way towards someone else doing the driving..
I think you're a bit harsh alluding to this as corruption. MS staff is rather good at misdirection - the way these guys are trained suggest they must have a tame ex Jehovah Witness somewhere.
This guy may genuinely believe that he's been given socio-political arguments that trump the decision power of the Standards board, and that there would be no point in discussing it with mere 'techies'.
It's not the first time I've seen that happen and it won't be last time either, I think. It's up to us to expose this but it's hard work. But hey, nothing worthwhile is ever easy..
BTW, thanks for the NoOOXML.org suggestion.
Thanks, IMHO that's a +10 for funny.
..being able to behave like a moron appears to be considered a perk of the job. I always find it interesting to observe what an illusion of power does to people. Those with character and backbone don't change their behaviour (draw your own conclusions here :-).
Having said that, courteous behavior comes from two sides..
I think the fact that you take ADVANTAGE of the deficiency is where the issue lies. It's a bit like leaving your front door open - that's still not an invite for others to come in and help themselves.
However, as someone else said - you're in a hurry and you just grab what it gives you, how are you going to know it made a mistake until much later? And will you be sure it as the ATM, or something else you got paid?
And can the bank prove exactly how much was dispensed? Logically, if that mechanism was reliable the bank wouldn't have that problem in the first place..
What I like about vTiger is that it allows you to try it all - SugarCRM, Zimbra et all all want money upfront before you can test the useful bits..
Website is vtiger.com.
It's going to have to be one hell of a beam to get past the current fashion of wearing sunglasses. And with mirror effect there could be amusing side effects..
Add to that the fact that no proceedings exist until the RIAA has all your personal details I think it'll be harder creating something that will stand a chance in Court, especially since recent rulings where judges have started to ask the RIAA to follow proper legal process instead of trying to selectively dodge the bits that allow a recipient to ask some rather painful questions. Oh, and why are people asked to self-incriminate?
Copyright infringement is *not* good, but there's such a thing as proof and due process. Even if that is inconvenient, it has to be followed.
With rights come obligations - on both sides.
And the website isn't down, it's merely resting. :-)
400 canopies + passengers weighing twice as much + the huge per seat cost = no way.
And in a helicopter it gets a bit tricky too. Not sure there IS a safe place in a heli that's going down other than not being in it in the first place. Anything affecting the rotor and you're history, I think (I'm no expert, but it appears to me that losing the rotor is about the same as losing the wings off a plane - at that point gravity wins).
I'm not kidding - I've had several good rescues using OpenOffice. I have heard complaints that OO's calc isn't as capable as Excel, but I'm in no position to judge - my work with spreadsheets never gets so complicated that I need anything heavy (as long as my invoices get produced and paid I'm happy :-).
However, where it does get heavy is documentation, and for that I would not ever go back to MS Office. In OpenOffice, styles WORK. It doesn't end up this complete screaming mess that you get with cut & paste in Word, and I frequently 'rescue' other people's work which won't even load anymore in Word by just pulling it into OO and tidying it up. Not to mention word prediction, especially when you work with complex terms it seriously lowers your error rate. AutoCorrect IMHO creates an addiction, because your fingers never unlearn the 'wrong' word (anyone noticing the increase of "teh" instead of "the"? There's your answer).
I'm astonished that MS can't get it right after so many years. Or maybe that wasn't the focus - I've come to the conclusion that they take the consultants' approach to fixing a problem: never fix it completely, and always keep the hope alive that the next engagement will be closure. Yeah - right..
I don't mind that I don't mind :-).
Interesting, must have a look at EnCase, just out of curiosity (I banned anything with copyright problems years ago so I'm not worried - I don't even use Office anymore, but OO).
However, I am not sure you could consider the artifacts evidence as they point into space if you load up the 'regular' Truecrypt drive. All that you can prove is that the data may have been present at some time, but the hard evidence is missing, it's as if you erased it. Forensics could never get further than a reasonable suspicion, but there would be no proof unless you're so dumb to admit to a hidden volume.
A decent interrogator will probably trip you up on that (yes, even without Guantanamo Bay) but as long as they don't have a password they have zip, I think. Of course, IMHO, IANAL.
I personally think you're dumb if you're doing something illegal. Hide data for privacy reasons, yes. But there's little reason to be on the wrong side of the law these days, IMHO.
Just my two cents..
That's nothing new. I totally stopped using calculators years ago when I caught a friend of mine adding 2+3 up on the command line of an Apple II, mid conversation. No, I kid you not, two plus three, and he'd only realised it when I pointed it out.
I think he's done me a favour , it made me aware very early on that the brain is like a muscle and needs exercising.
There is a sort of fast food trend in the media which mirrors this problem. Let's just believe the headline without spending any critical thought on what lies behind it - that's like hard work. The result is fairly evident..
Use it or lose it - in more ways than one..
I wonder if Microsoft is busy abandoning the software business.
First we get Vista, with a reported 20+ services phoning home with enough detail to make what Redmond get personally identifiable, not to mention that the Business version in my experience is an absolute dog to run compared to XP or Linux on the same "Vista approved" hardware. So we have instant privacy and security problems that come with the package, and new code which will take another year to become actually safe and usable (cute visuals do not maketh a usable business OS, especially if you have to retrain everyone - might as well take the plunge and retrain them on Macs or Linux).
Then we get the latest Office, which will work in Microsoft's attempt to create an 'Open' file format. That effort has mainly demonstrated that they (a) don't know what Open means, (b) don't see what their customers are asking for and (c) don't care about the previous two aspects, to the point of not understanding that their effort is alienating their increasingly savvy customers.
What's more, the 'Open' documentation has already given rise to the question if their flawed Excel spreadsheet functions (as documented) are new defects, or simply the first documentation of an already existing flawed interpretation of the laws of mathematics - any calculation done on an Excel spreadsheet to report financial results could now be seen as breaking diligence. In other words, using Excel knowingly may even carry a risk of criminal charges (IMHO, IANAL). Which executive would want that risk, especially with lower cost alternatives at hand that support a file format than can be machine processed and has been accepted at EU level?
However, MS trying to move into other markets hasn't been quite the success they'd hoped for either. Huge repair bills for Xbox, Zune zonked, and a lot of suppliers opting for a less license encumbered OS in their phones - it's all looking a tad shabby for your average clued up investor. Not a stock I'd keep on my portfolio, and following the progression other companies have made I think death by lawyer (suing your customers) cannot be far away.
And now, new idea, they're trying to move ads beyond your control into the core OS. Oh yes, that really will help drive up productivity in an office. And it'll be a primary risk vector if it gets infected.
Oh, yeah, I forgot, any new MS OS is the safest ever. Shame it still gets hacked before it's even launched. Talk about losing credibility..
Sure, I'm probably just a Mac/Linux fanboy. Isn't it irritating that even the less vocal ones in that category get proven right all the time? I don't choose an OS because of its fanbase, I chose it because it works for my business and I can see through the FUD (and OK, we're not a thousand seat business). I've had one office on OO exclusively now for 6 months, and no client has even noticed the difference - they're now switching to Linux completely. All the other offices are busy being switched to all Open Source based software in the next few months (using the holiday season), with the occasional Mac thrown in for graphics work.
And you know the best news? No virus problems, no daily 'reboot now' updates, no Genuine Advantage, no BSA/FAST worries.
It Just Works.
I heard recently that a study by some Dutch Uni has proven that crime rates do not notably alter, only that more cases are solved AFTERWARDS. So a lower crime rate is apparently not on the cards.
It will be, of course, a great relief to you that when you're dying in the gutter from bleeding to death via a knife wound they will be able to find out who did it. That is, until they wear hoodies - banning that in the UK hasn't quite worked.
But hell, it'll make mony for someone, and the next step towards 1984 has been achieved. Well done.
By the way, it's also a preparation for a congestion charge system as it exists in London. But nobody has dared mentioning that one yet, I think..
When Postine doesn't need to store for compliace reasons the whole email filtering process never hits a disk - it stays in memory all the way through.
,Google Zurich HQ aren't that far removed from Postini's offices so that is at leats not too much effort :-)
That's also why the average time between receipt of mail by Postini and your incoming server receiving the header is in the region of 400ms or so, as opposed to, say Messagelabs which is (if I recall correctly) somewhere between 2 and 4 minutes.
Postini is also the only one who also has a Swiss hosted setup, and it's thus the only one who can filter for Swiss banks.. Control of the lot is done from Zurich (it has to be legally limited to originating from a Swiss location only).
I hope Google keeps it the way it's going, I like the company. And if I recall correctly