I think he was referring to the fact that in, say, all western republics/democracies/whatever, 50% is the number of the population needed for passing a law. So, if 50% of the population were child molesters, they could pass a law that makes it legal. He wasn't saying at all that it would make it right, rather the opposite (unless you hold the view that the law is always right, in which case you are the one in great need of "waking up and facing the music"...<karma-plug>of course this is slashdot and we all know DMCA</karma-plug>).
It's not like this would be anything new. Look to the depression in 1929, this is exactly what happened then! The thing is: Lower wages -> less money in the general public -> sales go way down -> the companies can produce everything they want with machines, but there won't be customers so it doesn't matter. Eventually the firms go bankrupt, and, provided governments not too right wing are in place, things will get on their feet again (look to New Deal).
I agree fully with the parent of the parent: Redundant work is useless work, no matter what a fancy system of green paper notes and bits in the banks' computer system we put on top of it. If the economy won't allow us to be productive then that is the fault of the economy not the other way around.
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Some people made some media fuss and said that Bush should get the peace prize IF AND ONLY IF he didn't bomb Afganisthan. I don't remember if those people really did have anything to say in the matter (like if anyone of them sat in the Nobel comittee) but that hardly matters now anyway as Bush did bomb Afganisthan and will never be within reach of the peace prize. (I don't think people would have liked bargaining with the peace prize anyway so I don't think he really ever had a chance)
The C++ standard specifically allows for not returning anything at the end of the main function, in which case it will default to "return 0". Also, who's using stdio in C++? Requiring it would be bad as everyone's using iostream these days (and I think the standard mentioning that you should include stdio is extremely unlikely though I don't know as a fact that it doesn't).
People showed up in the court when Skylarov was charged.
Should the norwegians able to do so show up (say, with large banners with the DeCSS source code and the proper buttons and slogans) when the case is tried? Would it be a wise thing to do? And anyone with me?
It also looks like (from NettAvisen) that the authorities are mostly after trying out the hacker paragraph and not necisarrily get him convicted...
Lastly, I don't think it's been mentioned yet that MPAA is responsible for this...they hired the lawyer that convinced the authorities into charging him (according to www.itavisen.no).
Well, considering how The Phantom Menace fared, these people might not be doing this for the movie itself you know. Ever heard about the best part about something great is waiting for it? Well it's often true (here it definitely will be).
People go climbing Mount Everest. People cross the poles. Nations send people to the moon. People work all day and night to make themselves the richest people in town, even long after they've filled whatever needs money could ever hope to fill.
Here, some people have decided that waiting in line for Episode II will be a worthwhile thing to do. Pure rationally, how is that different from climbing Mount Everest? Did humanity gain anything from that? Did the climbers gain anything? Of course they did, they got an EXPERIENCE, they got MEMORIES, they had A CHALLENGE. The view on the top might be impressing, but it's hardly the main reason for doing the climb. And unless they're doing it to boost their egos: It might matter to you that they climbed the highest mountain in the world, and you might think it is a lot more important than standing in a theatre line, but all they did was doing something they (hopefully) wanted, getting a change from everyday life, perhaps getting a sense of purpose and knowing why they were where they were. Is that so awfully different from what we see here? Yet, people spending smaller or larger parts of their life trainloads of money/climbing mountains/walking the poles....you say *those* people have a life...me, I say they're (or we're) all doing the same thing as these people lining up for the biggest anticlimax in history is.
If these people had gone camping in the woods for four months instead noone would have reacted this way...I mean, once you remove a purpose it's ok?
I wouldn't have pursuited something like this myself (for starters, I like trees better than concrete, I'd go for the wood camp). But I can see why they would. And if they make some documentary about this or whatnot, it will be enjoyable to watch. Not to know what extremes people are willing to go to, but to perhaps get a feel of the chilly morning air blowing across your face as you enjoy a steamy cup of boiling black coffee, watching people getting to work and knowing that sitting there on the street has some purpose. There and then, what that purpose is doesn't matter. It's how the human mind works, observe people not knowing what started wars once they've been started...we only occupy different states of living and are not as rational about our purposes as we like to think. What purpose does your "get a life" fill? People make their own purposes these days (getting more money than they could ever hope to spend being a totally fruitless but very common one), and in my opinion I can't see why this is worse than trying to climb Everest.
I think this is cool. And I don't even like the films (that much, that is, must admit I'll try to catch an early ticket myself;-). Go for it guys!!!
[It's late and I'm tired so this may or may not make sense...I think you can get the jist of my general view on the matter though]
Well you are clearly not a Tolkien purist...where did you think the word "ringwraith" comes from anyway? And "nazg" means "ring" in the dark language, they are called nazgul because they are wearing the nine rings of men.
And don't try and convince me that speech recognition is less quality and latency sensitive than a guitar!
Ok, I won't try to convince you then, merely state that it's probably the stupiest thing I've read on Slashdot for a while (granted, I'm surfing at +1, but still...)
(And yes I do have the arguments to back that up, but I won't force them on you)
...what stops this from being abused? Say I set up a box that automatically reports all mails on the most popular mailing lists as spam, effictively making the ISPs around the world start to filter out the mailing lists...
It's a great initiative, I really hope no troll out there takes my word on this and actually do this.
OK, so it requires zero skill. So what? IT NEEDS TO BE DONE BY SOMEONE!!!
I'm willing to bet that shipping packages is more crucial than whatever funky high-demanding high-education job you might have. Without being able to ship stuff around (in general, not only UPS and FedEX of course), the world would stop. No medicines shipped around. No food. No computers either for that matter.
Personally I'd require much higher wages to work with something as utterly boring as shipping than say, programming. Programming is so rewarding I often do it without earning money for it (can you spell open source?). On the other hand I probably won't start handling packages unless I get very well paid for it or desperately need the little money it can provide.
Count your brother country in west (for the rest of you that's Norway) in on the list where it definitely has taken totally off...except you won't find prerecorded in stores, if people buy music then they buy CD and record over so that they can listen to it at home as well. The players can be found everywhere though.
Yeah sorry you are probably correct (no need to camp outside of my small theater, good tickets was assured by simply meeting up the first day of sale). The thruth is I misread your post just a little bit (my mind somehow left out the "enough", I should never have posted at 02:30...)
What you say about ONE theatre isn't entirely correct, I bought my ticket a month in advance in a little theater in Bø in Telemark, and watched it at the same time as it premiered in Colloseum (00:05). I guess my only point is that a lot more than 200 people cared if you count the small local theatres.
I walked up to my local AMC the night before and bought 12 tickets without problem for a show"...
Well, with most shows that is ok, only the ones that are long awaited (I guess that only really happens with movies with geek appeal) get special treatment...
Also remember that this is Denmark we're talking about, knowing it is probably a lot similar to Norway there is not nearly as many or as big theatres there. If it's anything like Norway we're talking three or four really big and great (thinking mostly the size and quality of the sound systems here, but also some crowd and media coverage is good) theatres in the whole country. People don't want to watch these special movies in a small theatre with average sound (especially because of the aforementioned geek appeal), so people flock to the cities to see the movies even if the local theater would view them at the same time.
(BTW, With StarWars ep1, in Oslo premiere started at midnight, going through all the night, with breakfast included in the ticket price...the same will probably be done with LoTR)
Did anyone out there actually line up far in advance for Ep1?
I know in Norway they did...
And lining up like this (while not having done it myself) is probably somewhat of an experience in itself. In the Oslo SWEp1 queue lots of people were dressed up as Darth Vader or Darth Maul or Luke or Leia or whatever...they seemed to make a good time out of it.
Interesting in getting a flying start to get that off the drawing board?
We're aiming for something along these lines at www.legacy-ovwp.org. The goal for now is a single-player story-driven game, however we make every part as reusable as possible and introducing MMORPG to the engine shouldn't be a problem once it's done as we're very aware of the game probably evolving there sometime.
The site looks somewhat dead and messy because we mostly communicate on IRC and mail these days, it's by no means as dead as it looks! (We have many mails between us a day in laying this out and a well developed source tree). If anyone wants to help us out then simply mail one of us (find mine or JPNotADragon's email address there) and you'll probably have a response the same day.
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Ehmm...
I think he was referring to the fact that in, say, all western republics/democracies/whatever, 50% is the number of the population needed for passing a law. So, if 50% of the population were child molesters, they could pass a law that makes it legal. He wasn't saying at all that it would make it right, rather the opposite (unless you hold the view that the law is always right, in which case you are the one in great need of "waking up and facing the music"...<karma-plug>of course this is slashdot and we all know DMCA</karma-plug>).
OT but I'll bite:
It's not like this would be anything new. Look to the depression in 1929, this is exactly what happened then! The thing is: Lower wages -> less money in the general public -> sales go way down -> the companies can produce everything they want with machines, but there won't be customers so it doesn't matter. Eventually the firms go bankrupt, and, provided governments not too right wing are in place, things will get on their feet again (look to New Deal).
I agree fully with the parent of the parent: Redundant work is useless work, no matter what a fancy system of green paper notes and bits in the banks' computer system we put on top of it. If the economy won't allow us to be productive then that is the fault of the economy not the other way around.
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1. A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.
2. A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.
3. The use of sarcasm. See Synonyms at wit1.
No no no...
Some people made some media fuss and said that Bush should get the peace prize IF AND ONLY IF he didn't bomb Afganisthan. I don't remember if those people really did have anything to say in the matter (like if anyone of them sat in the Nobel comittee) but that hardly matters now anyway as Bush did bomb Afganisthan and will never be within reach of the peace prize. (I don't think people would have liked bargaining with the peace prize anyway so I don't think he really ever had a chance)
It's certainly "sinus" in Norwegian...sinus sounds more latin and academic as well don't you agree?
The C++ standard specifically allows for not returning anything at the end of the main function, in which case it will default to "return 0". Also, who's using stdio in C++? Requiring it would be bad as everyone's using iostream these days (and I think the standard mentioning that you should include stdio is extremely unlikely though I don't know as a fact that it doesn't).
g++ is a front-end to gcc. It's still the gcc compiler we're talking about.
I can't believe this...METALLICA wrote a song about abusing the justice system? I have a hard time finding words...
"hipocrites" and "idiots" partly cover it though.
People showed up in the court when Skylarov was charged.
Should the norwegians able to do so show up (say, with large banners with the DeCSS source code and the proper buttons and slogans) when the case is tried? Would it be a wise thing to do? And anyone with me?
It also looks like (from NettAvisen) that the authorities are mostly after trying out the hacker paragraph and not necisarrily get him convicted...
Lastly, I don't think it's been mentioned yet that MPAA is responsible for this...they hired the lawyer that convinced the authorities into charging him (according to www.itavisen.no).
- Dag Sverre, Bø i Telemark
I hear a lot of "no life", lot of "insane"...
;-). Go for it guys!!!
Well, considering how The Phantom Menace fared, these people might not be doing this for the movie itself you know. Ever heard about the best part about something great is waiting for it? Well it's often true (here it definitely will be).
People go climbing Mount Everest. People cross the poles. Nations send people to the moon. People work all day and night to make themselves the richest people in town, even long after they've filled whatever needs money could ever hope to fill.
Here, some people have decided that waiting in line for Episode II will be a worthwhile thing to do. Pure rationally, how is that different from climbing Mount Everest? Did humanity gain anything from that? Did the climbers gain anything? Of course they did, they got an EXPERIENCE, they got MEMORIES, they had A CHALLENGE. The view on the top might be impressing, but it's hardly the main reason for doing the climb. And unless they're doing it to boost their egos: It might matter to you that they climbed the highest mountain in the world, and you might think it is a lot more important than standing in a theatre line, but all they did was doing something they (hopefully) wanted, getting a change from everyday life, perhaps getting a sense of purpose and knowing why they were where they were. Is that so awfully different from what we see here? Yet, people spending smaller or larger parts of their life trainloads of money/climbing mountains/walking the poles....you say *those* people have a life...me, I say they're (or we're) all doing the same thing as these people lining up for the biggest anticlimax in history is.
If these people had gone camping in the woods for four months instead noone would have reacted this way...I mean, once you remove a purpose it's ok?
I wouldn't have pursuited something like this myself (for starters, I like trees better than concrete, I'd go for the wood camp). But I can see why they would. And if they make some documentary about this or whatnot, it will be enjoyable to watch. Not to know what extremes people are willing to go to, but to perhaps get a feel of the chilly morning air blowing across your face as you enjoy a steamy cup of boiling black coffee, watching people getting to work and knowing that sitting there on the street has some purpose. There and then, what that purpose is doesn't matter. It's how the human mind works, observe people not knowing what started wars once they've been started...we only occupy different states of living and are not as rational about our purposes as we like to think. What purpose does your "get a life" fill? People make their own purposes these days (getting more money than they could ever hope to spend being a totally fruitless but very common one), and in my opinion I can't see why this is worse than trying to climb Everest.
I think this is cool. And I don't even like the films (that much, that is, must admit I'll try to catch an early ticket myself
[It's late and I'm tired so this may or may not make sense...I think you can get the jist of my general view on the matter though]
Well you are clearly not a Tolkien purist...where did you think the word "ringwraith" comes from anyway? And "nazg" means "ring" in the dark language, they are called nazgul because they are wearing the nine rings of men.
And don't try and convince me that speech recognition is less quality and latency sensitive than a guitar!
Ok, I won't try to convince you then, merely state that it's probably the stupiest thing I've read on Slashdot for a while (granted, I'm surfing at +1, but still...)
(And yes I do have the arguments to back that up, but I won't force them on you)
...what stops this from being abused? Say I set up a box that automatically reports all mails on the most popular mailing lists as spam, effictively making the ISPs around the world start to filter out the mailing lists...
It's a great initiative, I really hope no troll out there takes my word on this and actually do this.
That was a reply to Cramer not to Puff65535. I don't know how Slashdot managed to place my comment there...
You, sir, piss me off.
OK, so it requires zero skill. So what? IT NEEDS TO BE DONE BY SOMEONE!!!
I'm willing to bet that shipping packages is more crucial than whatever funky high-demanding high-education job you might have. Without being able to ship stuff around (in general, not only UPS and FedEX of course), the world would stop. No medicines shipped around. No food. No computers either for that matter.
Personally I'd require much higher wages to work with something as utterly boring as shipping than say, programming. Programming is so rewarding I often do it without earning money for it (can you spell open source?). On the other hand I probably won't start handling packages unless I get very well paid for it or desperately need the little money it can provide.
Count your brother country in west (for the rest of you that's Norway) in on the list where it definitely has taken totally off...except you won't find prerecorded in stores, if people buy music then they buy CD and record over so that they can listen to it at home as well. The players can be found everywhere though.
Yeah sorry you are probably correct (no need to camp outside of my small theater, good tickets was assured by simply meeting up the first day of sale). The thruth is I misread your post just a little bit (my mind somehow left out the "enough", I should never have posted at 02:30...)
The culture still originated from America...
What you say about ONE theatre isn't entirely correct, I bought my ticket a month in advance in a little theater in Bø in Telemark, and watched it at the same time as it premiered in Colloseum (00:05). I guess my only point is that a lot more than 200 people cared if you count the small local theatres.
"walked up to my local AMC the night before and bought 12 tickets without problem for a show..."
Whoops, sorry about misinterpreting that line...
I walked up to my local AMC the night before and bought 12 tickets without problem for a show"...
Well, with most shows that is ok, only the ones that are long awaited (I guess that only really happens with movies with geek appeal) get special treatment...
Also remember that this is Denmark we're talking about, knowing it is probably a lot similar to Norway there is not nearly as many or as big theatres there. If it's anything like Norway we're talking three or four really big and great (thinking mostly the size and quality of the sound systems here, but also some crowd and media coverage is good) theatres in the whole country. People don't want to watch these special movies in a small theatre with average sound (especially because of the aforementioned geek appeal), so people flock to the cities to see the movies even if the local theater would view them at the same time.
(BTW, With StarWars ep1, in Oslo premiere started at midnight, going through all the night, with breakfast included in the ticket price...the same will probably be done with LoTR)
Did anyone out there actually line up far in advance for Ep1?
I know in Norway they did...
And lining up like this (while not having done it myself) is probably somewhat of an experience in itself. In the Oslo SWEp1 queue lots of people were dressed up as Darth Vader or Darth Maul or Luke or Leia or whatever...they seemed to make a good time out of it.
They might be opening for ticket pre-sales on monday though. I bought my Star Wars ep I ticket two months in advance for instance...
Interesting in getting a flying start to get that off the drawing board?
We're aiming for something along these lines at www.legacy-ovwp.org. The goal for now is a single-player story-driven game, however we make every part as reusable as possible and introducing MMORPG to the engine shouldn't be a problem once it's done as we're very aware of the game probably evolving there sometime.
The site looks somewhat dead and messy because we mostly communicate on IRC and mail these days, it's by no means as dead as it looks! (We have many mails between us a day in laying this out and a well developed source tree). If anyone wants to help us out then simply mail one of us (find mine or JPNotADragon's email address there) and you'll probably have a response the same day.
It's a tag BTW. (I forgot to HTML code it in the first post)
Someone forgot to include the trailing tag when selecting the portion of this story to be on the front page...so now my entire news page is in italic!