Which is another reason for being exited about these developments.
History has show repeatedly that mass communication tools (printing press, radio, tv, internet, etc) have a very strong effect on the population and more often that not lead to changes in how a country is run. It also facilitates greatly in getting resisting groups together.
So all in all i think it's great in two ways, first it's a great contribution for the open source world, and secondly a information revolution in china could very well strengthen the changes that are already (admitedly slowly) taking place in china
History has important lessons to teach us, so should never be forgotten, but in historical perspective we have all made gross mistakes and we've all been barbarians.
So I'm happy to see the/. editors reminding everyone that this isn't just another piece of warm, fluffy, cute free software to configure && make && make install with open arms.
Funny, i seem to remember that a couple of weeks ago we were all up in arms about the automake/autoconf/etc configure hell in freshmeat editorials and./ articles. For example this editorial.
And what you say about it being c# based, can also be said about java, perl, ruby, eifel, python and so many other languages.. Whats more, you could even say that the semi-pseudo-false attempt to platform & library indipendence that comes with these autoconf based projects is a nightmare inherint with using languages that do not have the abstraction that java, c#, php, etc can offer..
So i can only conclude that the original remark about c# & mono is pure, unadultarated, medical strength flamebait, unless you feel you need to open up the can of worms about language 1 vs language 2 with every reference to software.. To me it seems this article was about a program, and not a holy flame war about language choices
Ps, ofcource he is gonna write this software in c#, if that is what he has been working with recently and he feels is apropiate to the job. Your statement sounds very much like the infamous "When you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail" and spinning this out of control to some paranoia conspericy theory about ximian trying to make us all run their mono runtime.. Get a life man!;-)
..fanless coolers on them that are virtually silent..
Care to explain how graphic cards with no fans, no moving parts at all are virtually silent? The cooling solution is totally passive, and thus makes no noice at all.. if it does, something went very, very wrong and it's probably the sound of the heavy cooling solution breaking your motherboard or graphic card;-)
Incorrect. Like older redhat's did, it ships with two GCC compiler sets.
The GCC you see mentioned in the release notes is 'gcc32', the backward compatible compiler (used forinstance to compile the kernel and much of the compat-* packages).
The default compiler which is also used to compile the normal packages is gcc 3.3
Shame such an incorrect correction made it as story update
I think you put your finger right on the problem.. For people who are not intimidated it's 'cool' but for many others not understanding it is confusing and/or intimidating; They don't understand computers and prob. don't want to..
The graphical representation of the bootup info makes the user 'understand' more and makes it less intimidating.. Much like a GUI makes a computer easier to use then text mode programs;-)
Bad gues, gimp is migrating to gtk2 but is currently still in beta. The latest version (1.3.16) which uses gtk2 can be found here: http://www.gimp.org/devel_ver.html
U.S. Army Private John A. Bennett was hanged after being convicted attempted murder. (April 13, 1961)
DA seeks death penalty against suspect in Avery slaying: "This man is charged with attempted murder of an officer" (05/26/2003)
Death penalty for guru: "The half-blind, 48-year-old has pleaded not guilty to all but the most minor charge of attempted murder. But no one in Japan is in any doubt that he will hang" (04/25/2003)
Well the list goes on, just making the point that it does happen; So something like that happening for this type of situation is not a first.. Just a typical case of making an example out of some one and setting the bar for future cases to be compared to. And thats the true danger here! Future suspected reverse engineers selling their goods to the market will be seen and judged in the perspective of this ruling. The fact he won't live 30k years to repay his dept is irrelivant in that perspective;-/
Actually if you break./ tradition and read the article, you'll notice it says "I do not expect a huge amount of change as a result, testament to just/how/ freely Transmeta has let me do Linux work"
The motivation he gives for the move seems to involve more around "Transmeta has always been very good at letting me spend even an inordinate amount of time on Linux, but as a result I've been feeling a little guilty at just how little "real work" I got done lately"
If anything, if he's switching desks and work envirioment, it'll slow him down for a little bit to get settled in again
Heh, with the current reagon like rethorics like "Axis of evil" and "good vs. bad", i would say the US is currently very religiously tinted in it's foreign politics.
If only the law could be so simple and black&white: It's illegal to be 'evil'
owell, gbj knows what these religious leaders know as well, it's easier to tell people what to do and think using religious statements then with logic
Come to think of it, gbj's war on 'Evil'.. does that constitute a 'holy war' ?;-)
I think this quote from a salon.com article sums it up quite well:
An IBM spokesman declined to comment on the SCO case. The company's legal response to SCO, however, leaves little doubt about IBM's feelings: The filing is an almost comically terse list denying all but the most indisputable claims that SCO makes. For example, one line reads that IBM "denies the averments of paragraph 19, except admits that IBM markets a Unix software product under the trade name 'AIX.'" IBM also candidly admits that its principal place of business is in New York, that it maintains an office in Salt Lake City, and that some of its microchips are more powerful than chips made by Intel. It gives no more ground than that, however.
EU as in the europian union. The UK is not (yet) a member state. However the EU (for all member states) and the UK are both thinking to adopt that same law, thus "The UK and EU"
I think somewhere along the way you mixed up Europe (the continent) and EU (the union);-)
I am always so relieved that so many./ readers do the right thing and try to prevent./'ed servers by _not reading the article_!
From the article: "when I spied a little girl playing with the pink Barbie Thunderbird on the floor. I looked at the wheels, the size, the fact it was a convertible and thought, yesssss. I waited, pretending to look at other toys all the while glancing back at the little girl. Predictably she was distracted by something else, that's when I moved in. 99 cents later it was mine Mine MINE!"
In other words, the dad bought the car and the son was not involved. (Though that does not account for the lack of destructive urges of the son.. gues he isn't traumatised enough yet for that)
Naaahh, its way simpler then that. As always google is your friend and will find some Mount Fuji that has been moved already, like this one. It will also awnser other important questions such as "Can I phone Mount Fuji ?".
They just need to neatly integrate their SE into Windows XP2 or whatever
I would gues the whatever is longhorn.. It's main conceptual improvement being touted is the 'filesystem is a (searchable) database'. How easy would it be to extend your local search to 'Search the web for [term]'. If they would go that route,and make it usefull enough, i'm sure most current-day search engines would die in a few years unless they find new niche-markets
I wish that was true; However i think you mixed up the chronological order of events..
Microsoft started to make Digital Research (dr-dos times) programs crash on MS-DOS before ms's dos version was better. Microsoft's first version of IE definatly was sub-par compared to the NS version at the time, and word-perfect & ami-word were for a while real competitors to (markt leading for quite some time).
Now i can imagine that if your computer history & memory goes back only 5 to 8 years, some of this might be unobserved by you and irrelivant, for all you would know, assuming you do not have a 15 year history and only know 'recent' history, is that IE has 'always' been better..
Reminds me of a quote i learned in highschool and stuck to me since: "History is written by the victorious". I gues the same will apply to MS a.t.m. Lesson is, that if MS mis-uses its monopoly powers to muscle out google, despite their product being worse, in ten years no one will remeber and think "MS-Search" always was the best (which by then it will be because of all the money made in that period).
Using a monopoly to make poor products good and viable over time does not make it Right(Tm) nor legal
Imagine the worst case too.. if they win the case against SCO, or even settle for half the claims. SCO would have a war chest big enough to be able to sue everyone else afterwards.. gues i should've been a lawyer instead;-)
Sorry then i was miss-informed by one of the statements i read a few days again. It's the one that reads "Strike at the heart of the community". There Eric S. Raymond states:
"Supposedly SCO regards ELF as a derivative of COFF, the old System V binary format invented by AT&T in the dark and backward abysm of time."
Thats where my reference came from (reading back, almost a imidiate quote, my memory must be better then i thought!;-)
I was trying to make something of a point though.. if that goes thru, and SCO does somehow manage to claim that Linux violates its patents (and suppose the GPL claim about patents being non enforcable, etc).. in that worst case scenrario, it would put linux back a long, long time and seriously damage the way that the outside world & managers percieve linux.
Thus sun is in the mess that they decided to investigate how and if they should dive into the linux pool, but the day that news breaks, the pilar of their company (Unix servers, OS, etc) and the company they licence rights to use this from gets into a fight with linux and their bigest threat in the large-server-space.
It's gotta be shitty to be Sun to be in that position, they can't really afford to alianate either camp (openoffice, gnome2 and mozilla are contributed to or owned by them and linux seems to be a way to go for the future) but their current income comes largely from selling & maintaining large servers and they can not afford to give out the slightest impression that that market could be in any trouble, because customers buy them for the 'five nines' dream (99.999% availability)
To deep in either way to get out.. they'll have to do a switcherland if you ask me
LOL! i think you have just enlightened me! We will never know if there is a god or a point to life, because the moment that you do, this remark could be translated to real life! Imagine that..
"Well i have karma to burn, so let me tell you, your an absolute mother fucker!"
My goodness that would make life really weird.. "Cheat my tax forms.. hmm.. *checking his real-life-karma-rating*.. nope, not this year"
Or how about, you meet someone interesting and you think "Do i use my 'Karma bonus' this meeting or do i want to 'Meet Anonymously' ?"
It wasn't linus or any of those people ! This is just what SCO was talking about!! There stealing Unix (Tm) secrets and applying them to the linux kernel!
I'm sure the FBI will prove this with tracing phone calls from IBM's secret headquater to linus and his mery men just before this patch!
Now that we are on this topic, it might be a good time to ask this question: How can i get my box to boot a 2.5.x kernel?! I am no newbie to kernel configs, it looks like i did everything right, however i am greated by a "Booting linux kernel..." then my HD making noices for about a minute (but no output to console) and then... nothing.. keyboard unresponsive, no output on console, nothing..
Is there some magic ingrediant i missed? I know modutils changed, but i don't even seem to get to a point where that could make the slightest difference
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Which is another reason for being exited about these developments.
History has show repeatedly that mass communication tools (printing press, radio, tv, internet, etc) have a very strong effect on the population and more often that not lead to changes in how a country is run. It also facilitates greatly in getting resisting groups together.
So all in all i think it's great in two ways, first it's a great contribution for the open source world, and secondly a information revolution in china could very well strengthen the changes that are already (admitedly slowly) taking place in china
History has important lessons to teach us, so should never be forgotten, but in historical perspective we have all made gross mistakes and we've all been barbarians.
So I'm happy to see the /. editors reminding everyone that this isn't just another piece of warm, fluffy, cute free software to configure && make && make install with open arms.
./ articles. For example this editorial.
;-)
Funny, i seem to remember that a couple of weeks ago we were all up in arms about the automake/autoconf/etc configure hell in freshmeat editorials and
And what you say about it being c# based, can also be said about java, perl, ruby, eifel, python and so many other languages.. Whats more, you could even say that the semi-pseudo-false attempt to platform & library indipendence that comes with these autoconf based projects is a nightmare inherint with using languages that do not have the abstraction that java, c#, php, etc can offer..
So i can only conclude that the original remark about c# & mono is pure, unadultarated, medical strength flamebait, unless you feel you need to open up the can of worms about language 1 vs language 2 with every reference to software.. To me it seems this article was about a program, and not a holy flame war about language choices
Ps, ofcource he is gonna write this software in c#, if that is what he has been working with recently and he feels is apropiate to the job. Your statement sounds very much like the infamous "When you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail" and spinning this out of control to some paranoia conspericy theory about ximian trying to make us all run their mono runtime.. Get a life man!
..fanless coolers on them that are virtually silent..
;-)
Care to explain how graphic cards with no fans, no moving parts at all are virtually silent? The cooling solution is totally passive, and thus makes no noice at all.. if it does, something went very, very wrong and it's probably the sound of the heavy cooling solution breaking your motherboard or graphic card
Incorrect. Like older redhat's did, it ships with two GCC compiler sets.
The GCC you see mentioned in the release notes is 'gcc32', the backward compatible compiler (used forinstance to compile the kernel and much of the compat-* packages).
The default compiler which is also used to compile the normal packages is gcc 3.3
Shame such an incorrect correction made it as story update
I think you put your finger right on the problem.. For people who are not intimidated it's 'cool' but for many others not understanding it is confusing and/or intimidating; They don't understand computers and prob. don't want to..
;-)
The graphical representation of the bootup info makes the user 'understand' more and makes it less intimidating.. Much like a GUI makes a computer easier to use then text mode programs
Bad gues, gimp is migrating to gtk2 but is currently still in beta. The latest version (1.3.16) which uses gtk2 can be found here: http://www.gimp.org/devel_ver.html
Death penalty for attempted murder:
.. Just a typical case of making an example out of some one and setting the bar for future cases to be compared to. And thats the true danger here! Future suspected reverse engineers selling their goods to the market will be seen and judged in the perspective of this ruling. The fact he won't live 30k years to repay his dept is irrelivant in that perspective ;-/
U.S. Army Private John A. Bennett was hanged after being convicted attempted murder. (April 13, 1961)
DA seeks death penalty against suspect in Avery slaying: "This man is charged with attempted murder of an officer" (05/26/2003)
Death penalty for guru: "The half-blind, 48-year-old has pleaded not guilty to all but the most minor charge of attempted murder. But no one in Japan is in any doubt that he will hang" (04/25/2003)
Well the list goes on, just making the point that it does happen; So something like that happening for this type of situation is not a first
Actually if you break ./ tradition and read the article, you'll notice it says "I do not expect a huge amount of change as a result, testament to just /how/ freely Transmeta has let me do Linux work"
The motivation he gives for the move seems to involve more around "Transmeta has always been very good at letting me spend even an inordinate amount of time on Linux, but as a result I've been feeling a little guilty at just how little "real work" I got done lately"
If anything, if he's switching desks and work envirioment, it'll slow him down for a little bit to get settled in again
The only comment on this review that comes to mind is as substantiated, well worked out and thought thru as this review
"Boooo, bad!!"
Heh, with the current reagon like rethorics like "Axis of evil" and "good vs. bad", i would say the US is currently very religiously tinted in it's foreign politics.
;-)
If only the law could be so simple and black&white: It's illegal to be 'evil'
owell, gbj knows what these religious leaders know as well, it's easier to tell people what to do and think using religious statements then with logic
Come to think of it, gbj's war on 'Evil'.. does that constitute a 'holy war' ?
I think this quote from a salon.com article sums it up quite well:
An IBM spokesman declined to comment on the SCO case. The company's legal response to SCO, however, leaves little doubt about IBM's feelings: The filing is an almost comically terse list denying all but the most indisputable claims that SCO makes. For example, one line reads that IBM "denies the averments of paragraph 19, except admits that IBM markets a Unix software product under the trade name 'AIX.'" IBM also candidly admits that its principal place of business is in New York, that it maintains an office in Salt Lake City, and that some of its microchips are more powerful than chips made by Intel. It gives no more ground than that, however.
Was anyone else instantly tempted to opt-out rick@darseydesign.com by clicking the opt out link ?
;-)
Funny he removed the 'To:' field from the email before publishing, but not the magic cookie link
EU as in the europian union. The UK is not (yet) a member state. However the EU (for all member states) and the UK are both thinking to adopt that same law, thus "The UK and EU"
;-)
I think somewhere along the way you mixed up Europe (the continent) and EU (the union)
I am always so relieved that so many ./ readers do the right thing and try to prevent ./'ed servers by _not reading the article_!
From the article: "when I spied a little girl playing with the pink Barbie Thunderbird on the floor. I looked at the wheels, the size, the fact it was a convertible and thought, yesssss. I waited, pretending to look at other toys all the while glancing back at the little girl. Predictably she was distracted by something else, that's when I moved in. 99 cents later it was mine Mine MINE!"
In other words, the dad bought the car and the son was not involved. (Though that does not account for the lack of destructive urges of the son.. gues he isn't traumatised enough yet for that)
Naaahh, its way simpler then that. As always google is your friend and will find some Mount Fuji that has been moved already, like this one. It will also awnser other important questions such as "Can I phone Mount Fuji ?".
They just need to neatly integrate their SE into Windows XP2 or whatever
,and make it usefull enough, i'm sure most current-day search engines would die in a few years unless they find new niche-markets
I would gues the whatever is longhorn.. It's main conceptual improvement being touted is the 'filesystem is a (searchable) database'. How easy would it be to extend your local search to 'Search the web for [term]'. If they would go that route
I wish that was true; However i think you mixed up the chronological order of events..
Microsoft started to make Digital Research (dr-dos times) programs crash on MS-DOS before ms's dos version was better. Microsoft's first version of IE definatly was sub-par compared to the NS version at the time, and word-perfect & ami-word were for a while real competitors to (markt leading for quite some time).
Now i can imagine that if your computer history & memory goes back only 5 to 8 years, some of this might be unobserved by you and irrelivant, for all you would know, assuming you do not have a 15 year history and only know 'recent' history, is that IE has 'always' been better..
Reminds me of a quote i learned in highschool and stuck to me since: "History is written by the victorious". I gues the same will apply to MS a.t.m. Lesson is, that if MS mis-uses its monopoly powers to muscle out google, despite their product being worse, in ten years no one will remeber and think "MS-Search" always was the best (which by then it will be because of all the money made in that period).
Using a monopoly to make poor products good and viable over time does not make it Right(Tm) nor legal
Imagine the worst case too.. if they win the case against SCO, or even settle for half the claims. SCO would have a war chest big enough to be able to sue everyone else afterwards.. gues i should've been a lawyer instead ;-)
Sorry then i was miss-informed by one of the statements i read a few days again. It's the one that reads "Strike at the heart of the community". There Eric S. Raymond states:
;-)
"Supposedly SCO regards ELF as a derivative of COFF, the old System V binary format invented by AT&T in the dark and backward abysm of time."
Thats where my reference came from (reading back, almost a imidiate quote, my memory must be better then i thought!
I was trying to make something of a point though.. if that goes thru, and SCO does somehow manage to claim that Linux violates its patents (and suppose the GPL claim about patents being non enforcable, etc).. in that worst case scenrario, it would put linux back a long, long time and seriously damage the way that the outside world & managers percieve linux.
The headline quotes "has a impact on Sun's shifting linux strategies". Since it doesn't give a lot of context it's a bit hard to know exactly what is ment by that. What happened is that days before it was anounced that Sun is considering striking up partnerships with mainstream Linux sellers such as Red Hat and SuSE (dated march 6). However a day later (march 7), the news breaks that The suit could affect SCO's relationship with Linux seller SuSE, whose version of Linux is the foundation of the UnitedLinux products SCO uses. Plus ofcource the posible implications for Linux patent violations at large such as forinstance the ELF binary format (SCO claims its a derivative of COFF), and other area's of linux..
Thus sun is in the mess that they decided to investigate how and if they should dive into the linux pool, but the day that news breaks, the pilar of their company (Unix servers, OS, etc) and the company they licence rights to use this from gets into a fight with linux and their bigest threat in the large-server-space.
It's gotta be shitty to be Sun to be in that position, they can't really afford to alianate either camp (openoffice, gnome2 and mozilla are contributed to or owned by them and linux seems to be a way to go for the future) but their current income comes largely from selling & maintaining large servers and they can not afford to give out the slightest impression that that market could be in any trouble, because customers buy them for the 'five nines' dream (99.999% availability)
To deep in either way to get out.. they'll have to do a switcherland if you ask me
LOL! i think you have just enlightened me! We will never know if there is a god or a point to life, because the moment that you do, this remark could be translated to real life! Imagine that..
.. nope, not this year"
"Well i have karma to burn, so let me tell you, your an absolute mother fucker!"
My goodness that would make life really weird.. "Cheat my tax forms.. hmm.. *checking his real-life-karma-rating*
Or how about, you meet someone interesting and you think "Do i use my 'Karma bonus' this meeting or do i want to 'Meet Anonymously' ?"
It wasn't linus or any of those people ! This is just what SCO was talking about!! There stealing Unix (Tm) secrets and applying them to the linux kernel!
I'm sure the FBI will prove this with tracing phone calls from IBM's secret headquater to linus and his mery men just before this patch!
Now that we are on this topic, it might be a good time to ask this question: How can i get my box to boot a 2.5.x kernel?! I am no newbie to kernel configs, it looks like i did everything right, however i am greated by a "Booting linux kernel..." then my HD making noices for about a minute (but no output to console) and then ... nothing .. keyboard unresponsive, no output on console, nothing..
.64 and .64-bk3)
Is there some magic ingrediant i missed? I know modutils changed, but i don't even seem to get to a point where that could make the slightest difference
(had this with 2.5.61,
Matrix quote: "The matrix has to much information to render" .. "When i look at this, i see a redhead, blond.. "
;-)
Not only in the past, but also in the future wanking will happen to weird hex or matrix charset's it seems!
These are all the relevant urls:
Set of pics of the machine
Shows it still boots
Story behind this
More pics showing it works