Incase some people do want to try out mldonkey (i would advice it), these links will allow you to hit the ground running:
downloads: * edonkey2000: http://www.edonkey2000.com/ (official client page. Has a almost working linux client to.. windows client is good)
* eMule: http://www.emule-project.net/ (considered the best windows client. Also open source)
* mldonkey: http://www.nongnu.org/mldonkey/ (linux client, with GIU, Web & telnet interfaces. Considered 'best' on linux. Open source)
* cdonkey: http://cdonkey.suche.org/ (some seem to like it, i don't want to touch it)
Good content sites:
* http://www.sharereactor.com (between its own listings, and the content in the forums, this is a unbeatable resource!) * http://www.filenexus.com (sharereactor 'competitor', much smaller, but does music)
* http://www.sharedfolders.net (place where ppl can share their own 'releases' and faborites.. some good stuff can be found there, but takes a bit of work)
Enjoy, and welcome to the donkey file sharing world;-)
Economics and culture have a lot more to do with population density then the difference in condom usage i think.
In america you know you can support your child, get him/her a good education, etc.. Also the american infrastructure allows for a much higher population density (skyscrapers, pub transport, massivly large amount of cars, communication infrastructure, etc) (china is vast, there are a few huge cities, but most of the land is quite 'backwards' to US standards)
In china there are also 'guidelines' from the goverment and cultural standards on how many children a parent could/should have..
These factors play a much larger role in population density then your proposed theory of 'accidents' if you ask me
Did anyone else notice that on these pictures there is no power supply to be found within the structure? Also if you look at the back of the sphere (where the mini-atx backboard is accesable) there's no place to stick any kind of power cord.. (you can see the sound, serial, parrellel, s-video, keyboard&mouse.. but no power).
Also the nice pictures of it on a desk, it's not turned on.. nor are any of the cables connected.
Seems to me it's a nice 'would be, could be' computer, but nothing that actualy functions;-)
Is a fun concept though.. imagine the new generation of computer mods that could spawn from this
While this is true, it is also dangerous to release this info to quickly..
By releasing the info about what is exploitable and how, you make a hackers life really easy.. he no longer has to go thru all the code and try 2 find an exploitable hole. Now he only has to code an exploit and he's done. Thus they decided the vendors need time to fix their software!
On the other hand, a releasing this info after a N-timeframe presures the vendors into patching their software timely.
However, your question assumes that no one could find this vunerability _before_ this company did! Ofcource this is nonsence.. a hacker couldve found this exploitable code many months ago, and as long as he doesnt make it 'to' public, chances are no one will know about it..
Never, i repeat _never_ assume your software is 100% bug free and un-exploitable! A skilled hacker can find an exploit in almost all software given enough time!
The thing to keep in mind is that a hacker is also submited to the rules of economy, the more hacking into the target is worth, the more time he is willing on finding a way in. For most common servers, the worth is not so high (plenty of targets of similar value, so pick out the easy one..) For banks and alike, this doesn t different ofcource;-)
Yea, name searching isnt always usefull. Especialy with common names.
Thats why i always search for name & email-prefix & email address before i hire somebody.
Forinstance, if you would search for 'Chris Chabot', which is already an uncommon name, it gives about 40% non-relivant results. However if you look for "Chris Chabot chabotc" (since my email is chabotc@) you get a 100% relevancy score.
Interesting.. as i was typing this i went thru my googled history.. oldest listing i could find was from 1997 to the LKML about some bugs with the 'new P3'
Nice way to see how net-savy a person is.. maybe a new way to rank users? the more google results, the higher the score?
Hey if he had to reboot to make the mouse work, then thats a valid complaint.. Nothing made clear to him that he could also have restarted this thing called an 'X Server' (whadeverdatbe). He has been told sometimes rebooting helps (windows using friends or previous experiance), so thats the only thing he can try to make it work 'magicly'.
Please try to keep that perspective in mind before you 'bitch' at 'users'. We want people to use linux? then we will get users! If something is not obvious, then we 'developers' made a mistake.
Otherwise we'll forever have linux stuck in the 'By technicians, for technicians' era.
Wow wouldn't that be something! Now you might assume that this would be a bad thing; I think a lot of slashdot users might think this way.
However, the main downsides historicly for MS Windows is all the dirty tricks they pull to get more performance and features.. Putting graphics in ring-0 (kernel space), and even putting webserver stuff there!
Now imagine MS X-Windows(Tm). All the UI research and man-centuries of coding pooring into it, however without control over the kernel, file systems, and based on (and hopefully even contributed to) gcc/glibc/etc. Linux filesystems, network stacks, and the other alternatives that already exist on linux!
Then they might still call the shots for the UI (though XFree86 will still exist, so will kde/gnome) but the control over the 'platform' they would loose.
This would have the same positive effect as the sugested splitting up MS into sepperate Windows, User Apps and Server Apps companies..
Heh, if they ever do decide to do so, atleast we saved them the effort of porting linux to the X-Box They could even use wine as a basis to run 'legacy apps';-)
If you ask me the note that petitiononline.com added to this petition is even funnier then the original text.. You just have to apreciate the effort it must've cost them to respond so seriously to the 'issue';-)
"Please Note: The Two Towers is the title of the JRR Tolkien book originally published in 1954, the second book of The Lord of the Rings trilogy. The title was thus established some 47 years prior to the attacks on the World Trade Center towers, and there is no evidence to suggest that Peter Jackson meant anything by continuing the same title other than faithfulness to the beloved Tolkien classics. Furthermore, the two distant, opposing towers in the Tolkien classic have very little if anything in common with the two matching towers of the World Trade Center. -- PetitionOnline.com"
What often helps a lot, is adding a -u1 (unmask irq). From the man page: "A setting of 1 permits the driver to unmask other interrupts during processing of a disk interrupt, which greatly improves Linux's responsiveness"
Heh,.net server is the new Windows2000 / XP (Server) version.. Longhorn is the next XP (desktop) version. It seems your a little confused there.
this
and
this
is how MS Longhorn currently looks. (Mind you, its alpha, so very likely to change looks a few times before release). The.NET server will sport the normal XP look.
Well i think you sumerised the feeling that the book was supposed to replay quite well. A large part of the book is about man's journey towards death.. "dread and foreboding"
It is also definatly true the book is very much about the characters development, and not the modern heroism that most current books seem to aspire to.
Ps, please note that the Moore's Law referes to the doubling of the transistor count for every said period; And _NOT_ the increase of the number of ticks per second (Hz).. This is a common mistake, but an important difference
(look at it this way, if you doubled the number of transistors on a P4, you could theoreticly do twice the amount of actions per clock tick.. so it's theoreticly twice as fast without increasing the amount of Hz)
You didn't quite specify in your question if the users of the system should be able to store files or not... the design of such a system would kinda depend on this factor.
But lets pretend they do not have write permission, or save their files on a common shared (nfs) directory. Then one would take a basic redhat system, set up the 'guest' users envirioment/desktop/menus (keep his dir as small as posible, remeber to disable mozilla's cache). then tar this up.. Change your init scripts to set up a ram disk (8 megs or so should do), and mount that on the users home dir. The modify your inittab to start your kiosk-session script, which in turn starts your kiosk-dm.sh script..
The kiosk-dm script would untar the guest's home dir to the correct spot, and start's X using your custom xinit script: while 1; do
cd/
rm -rf/home/guest/*/home/guest/.*
tar xvfz/usr/share/guest.tar.gz/usr/X11R6/bin/xinit kiosk-session.sh done
this kiosk-session.sh script would do something like: exec su --login --command/home/guest/.xinitrc guest
This way, the user can 'log out' of xwindows, the home dir gets cleaned & restored, and a brand new x-session (restored from original config) is displayed.. Since eveything is on a ram drive, nothing that can break! (the guest user has no write perm on the rest of the file system, so can only fuck up his own home dir, which is cleaned every session)
Now if you want a user to be able to log in, keep his files, etc.. that be a whole other situation.. nfs mounted home dirs, authorisation via kerebos, and all that..
Now you also asked for multi-language support.. I would sugest getting your hands on the null beta (gonna be redhat 8.0), it has better UTF-8 support then i've seen before in any linux distro.. as a browser, use mozilla for decent internationalisation support.
As a added bonus, start up redhat-config-language first in your guest's.xinitrc file.. this way they can select a language before any apps are started, and everything should work automagicly (as long as you installed all the locales).. it is included in the redhat 8.0 beta (null)
Heh, cnet, being _one of the bigest site networks on the net_ can handle a puny little slashdot effect.. They have far more horse power and visitors then slashdot.. (hard to believe i know;-)
They actualy still make some money from trafic to... so no poor cnet here.. more happy cnet for free promotion
(cnet is often in the top 5 of largest websites on the world.. slashdot isn't even near the top100)
Well there are a few points where i would see 64bit computing making a difference. First of all the I/O part, using native 64bit data types for your 64bit PCI slots, moving over 64bit wide I/O channels.. this will save you quite a bit when using gigabit network cards and high end I/O controllers such as raid. Also the graphics / 3D market can benifit from this.. first the graphics industry is moving to higher requirements for prescision of colors and coordinates (so using native 64bit numbers for them won't impact performance as much, but allow a much higher prescision), and it will also be able to use the 64bit I/O busses (the first mobo's i've seen for these CPU's don't have 64bit AGP yet, but i am sure it will happen)
Last, all this creates a nice new tech platform.. 64bit PCI slots (running on 133 or 64 mhz), and DDR333 ram..
All in all it will make more sence in the beginning to use all this goodness for I/O demanding applications (servers) but i am sure it will break through in the profesional graphics market soon enough, with the consumer market laging behind only a bit.
Also remeber, linux _needs_ 64bit computing.. while linux wasn't that sensitive to the Y2K problem, the 32bit time value used is gonna run out in the next 30 years.. native 64bit integers would mean you can use 64bits for your seconds since 1/1/1970, so keep linux running for a while longer;-)
Yea i was wondering how two great minded moderators concluded that this analogy on how people got into their current situation with microsoft was very offtopic in a discussion about the situation we find our selves in with microsoft..
Situations like this always remind me of a anecdote from australia.
If you want to cook a lizard, put it in a pot of cold water, and then slowly raise the temperature. The criter, being cold blooded, will not notice the temperature change as its body will follow the external temperature shifts.
Now if you would throw a lizard in a pot filled with boiling water, it sure would notice, and run the hell away..
The same goes for most bad relationships humans find them selves in. If you would end up in the situation you are in now instantly, you would scream bloody murder, and never accept it!
However, since change happens slowly and small step by small step, people always seem to think "well that little bit extra doesn't make the difference". And you end up in an incredible nightmare, without realising it !
I gues in a way this describes the situation that most people find them selves in with microsoft. They don't know what happened since it never happened in one go.. They don't realise just how disfunctional the relationship is.
Some day people might wake up, but historical evidence would dictate this will not happen untill we are in a LOT bigger mess then we would ever consider acceptable from the start.
The easiest way to do this (disclaimer: only do this when upgrading your distro or the like, restoring it all by hand would be a nightmare!)
# rpm -e `rpm -qa | grep ximian` --nodeps
This will remove any package with 'ximian' in the name from your system. (Used my self it more often then i'd like to)
If only ximian had a 'restore original configuration' option in redcarpet, then i wouldnt be so afraid of using it! I love ximian gnome, their gnome2 snapshots and all their polish, but the idea that upgrading or changing my instalation is gonna be a nightmare is a showstopper for me.
Slashdot Mirror
It could be worth pointing out that the correct URL is http://homepage.mac.com/aaronsteele/PhotoAlbum6.ht ml here.
There's only really one awner to this kind of stuff
"Those willing to give up freedom for security, deserve neither"
Incase some people do want to try out mldonkey (i would advice it), these links will allow you to hit the ground running:
;-)
downloads:
* edonkey2000: http://www.edonkey2000.com/ (official client page. Has a almost working linux client to.. windows client is good)
* eMule: http://www.emule-project.net/ (considered the best windows client. Also open source)
* mldonkey: http://www.nongnu.org/mldonkey/ (linux client, with GIU, Web & telnet interfaces. Considered 'best' on linux. Open source)
* cdonkey: http://cdonkey.suche.org/ (some seem to like it, i don't want to touch it)
Good content sites:
* http://www.sharereactor.com (between its own listings, and the content in the forums, this is a unbeatable resource!)
* http://www.filenexus.com (sharereactor 'competitor', much smaller, but does music)
* http://www.sharedfolders.net (place where ppl can share their own 'releases' and faborites.. some good stuff can be found there, but takes a bit of work)
Enjoy, and welcome to the donkey file sharing world
Actualy RSN is often to indicate "Real Soon Now".. quite apropiate though ;-)
Economics and culture have a lot more to do with population density then the difference in condom usage i think.
In america you know you can support your child, get him/her a good education, etc.. Also the american infrastructure allows for a much higher population density (skyscrapers, pub transport, massivly large amount of cars, communication infrastructure, etc) (china is vast, there are a few huge cities, but most of the land is quite 'backwards' to US standards)
In china there are also 'guidelines' from the goverment and cultural standards on how many children a parent could/should have..
These factors play a much larger role in population density then your proposed theory of 'accidents' if you ask me
Did anyone else notice that on these pictures there is no power supply to be found within the structure? Also if you look at the back of the sphere (where the mini-atx backboard is accesable) there's no place to stick any kind of power cord.. (you can see the sound, serial, parrellel, s-video, keyboard&mouse .. but no power).
;-)
Also the nice pictures of it on a desk, it's not turned on.. nor are any of the cables connected.
Seems to me it's a nice 'would be, could be' computer, but nothing that actualy functions
Is a fun concept though.. imagine the new generation of computer mods that could spawn from this
While this is true, it is also dangerous to release this info to quickly..
;-)
By releasing the info about what is exploitable and how, you make a hackers life really easy.. he no longer has to go thru all the code and try 2 find an exploitable hole. Now he only has to code an exploit and he's done. Thus they decided the vendors need time to fix their software!
On the other hand, a releasing this info after a N-timeframe presures the vendors into patching their software timely.
However, your question assumes that no one could find this vunerability _before_ this company did! Ofcource this is nonsence.. a hacker couldve found this exploitable code many months ago, and as long as he doesnt make it 'to' public, chances are no one will know about it..
Never, i repeat _never_ assume your software is 100% bug free and un-exploitable! A skilled hacker can find an exploit in almost all software given enough time!
The thing to keep in mind is that a hacker is also submited to the rules of economy, the more hacking into the target is worth, the more time he is willing on finding a way in. For most common servers, the worth is not so high (plenty of targets of similar value, so pick out the easy one..) For banks and alike, this doesn
t different ofcource
Yea, name searching isnt always usefull. Especialy with common names.
Thats why i always search for name & email-prefix & email address before i hire somebody.
Forinstance, if you would search for 'Chris Chabot', which is already an uncommon name, it gives about 40% non-relivant results. However if you look for "Chris Chabot chabotc" (since my email is chabotc@) you get a 100% relevancy score.
Interesting.. as i was typing this i went thru my googled history.. oldest listing i could find was from 1997 to the LKML about some bugs with the 'new P3'
Nice way to see how net-savy a person is.. maybe a new way to rank users? the more google results, the higher the score?
Hey if he had to reboot to make the mouse work, then thats a valid complaint.. Nothing made clear to him that he could also have restarted this thing called an 'X Server' (whadeverdatbe). He has been told sometimes rebooting helps (windows using friends or previous experiance), so thats the only thing he can try to make it work 'magicly'.
Please try to keep that perspective in mind before you 'bitch' at 'users'. We want people to use linux? then we will get users! If something is not obvious, then we 'developers' made a mistake.
Otherwise we'll forever have linux stuck in the 'By technicians, for technicians' era.
Oh my god.. this one is incredibly bitching! It even tries to get your social security #, maiden name, bank account # and pin .. etc
with that info some one could rip all your money of your account! thats prety damn rough
Since all the web pages i could find on this product were in langues i could not quite understand, i figured ppl would apreciate a picture link:
http://pcweb.mycom.co.jp/news/2002/10/10/24.jpg
Looks like one sweet toy though i gota say
Wow wouldn't that be something! Now you might assume that this would be a bad thing; I think a lot of slashdot users might think this way.
;-)
However, the main downsides historicly for MS Windows is all the dirty tricks they pull to get more performance and features.. Putting graphics in ring-0 (kernel space), and even putting webserver stuff there!
Now imagine MS X-Windows(Tm). All the UI research and man-centuries of coding pooring into it, however without control over the kernel, file systems, and based on (and hopefully even contributed to) gcc/glibc/etc. Linux filesystems, network stacks, and the other alternatives that already exist on linux!
Then they might still call the shots for the UI (though XFree86 will still exist, so will kde/gnome) but the control over the 'platform' they would loose.
This would have the same positive effect as the sugested splitting up MS into sepperate Windows, User Apps and Server Apps companies..
Heh, if they ever do decide to do so, atleast we saved them the effort of porting linux to the X-Box They could even use wine as a basis to run 'legacy apps'
If you ask me the note that petitiononline.com added to this petition is even funnier then the original text.. You just have to apreciate the effort it must've cost them to respond so seriously to the 'issue' ;-)
"Please Note: The Two Towers is the title of the JRR Tolkien book originally published in 1954, the second book of The Lord of the Rings trilogy. The title was thus established some 47 years prior to the attacks on the World Trade Center towers, and there is no evidence to suggest that Peter Jackson meant anything by continuing the same title other than faithfulness to the beloved Tolkien classics. Furthermore, the two distant, opposing towers in the Tolkien classic have very little if anything in common with the two matching towers of the World Trade Center. -- PetitionOnline.com"
What often helps a lot, is adding a -u1 (unmask irq). From the man page:
"A setting of 1 permits the driver to unmask other interrupts during processing of a disk interrupt, which greatly improves Linux's responsiveness"
Heh, .net server is the new Windows2000 / XP (Server) version.. Longhorn is the next XP (desktop) version. It seems your a little confused there.
.NET server will sport the normal XP look.
this and this is how MS Longhorn currently looks. (Mind you, its alpha, so very likely to change looks a few times before release). The
Wait wait.. even better "Mini-Moz" ! .. Moz-me? Aww well, knew i shouldn't have watched austin poweres last night ;-)
Well i think you sumerised the feeling that the book was supposed to replay quite well. A large part of the book is about man's journey towards death .. "dread and foreboding"
It is also definatly true the book is very much about the characters development, and not the modern heroism that most current books seem to aspire to.
Ps, please note that the Moore's Law referes to the doubling of the transistor count for every said period; And _NOT_ the increase of the number of ticks per second (Hz).. This is a common mistake, but an important difference
(look at it this way, if you doubled the number of transistors on a P4, you could theoreticly do twice the amount of actions per clock tick.. so it's theoreticly twice as fast without increasing the amount of Hz)
ps, slashdot bit my formatting again: /usr/share/guest.tar.gz /usr/X11R6/bin/xinit kiosk-session.sh
/usr/share/guest.tar.gz /usr/X11R6/bin/xinit kiosk-session.sh
tar xvfz
should be:
tar xvfz
Sorry 'bout that
You didn't quite specify in your question if the users of the system should be able to store files or not ... the design of such a system would kinda depend on this factor.
/desktop/menus (keep his dir as small as posible, remeber to disable mozilla's cache). then tar this up.. Change your init scripts to set up a ram disk (8 megs or so should do), and mount that on the users home dir. The modify your inittab to start your kiosk-session script, which in turn starts your kiosk-dm.sh script ..
/ /home/guest/* /home/guest/.* /usr/share/guest.tar.gz /usr/X11R6/bin/xinit kiosk-session.sh
/home/guest/.xinitrc guest
.xinitrc file.. this way they can select a language before any apps are started, and everything should work automagicly (as long as you installed all the locales).. it is included in the redhat 8.0 beta (null)
But lets pretend they do not have write permission, or save their files on a common shared (nfs) directory. Then one would take a basic redhat system, set up the 'guest' users envirioment
The kiosk-dm script would untar the guest's home dir to the correct spot, and start's X using your custom xinit script:
while 1; do
cd
rm -rf
tar xvfz
done
this kiosk-session.sh script would do something like:
exec su --login --command
This way, the user can 'log out' of xwindows, the home dir gets cleaned & restored, and a brand new x-session (restored from original config) is displayed.. Since eveything is on a ram drive, nothing that can break! (the guest user has no write perm on the rest of the file system, so can only fuck up his own home dir, which is cleaned every session)
Now if you want a user to be able to log in, keep his files, etc.. that be a whole other situation.. nfs mounted home dirs, authorisation via kerebos, and all that..
Now you also asked for multi-language support.. I would sugest getting your hands on the null beta (gonna be redhat 8.0), it has better UTF-8 support then i've seen before in any linux distro.. as a browser, use mozilla for decent internationalisation support.
As a added bonus, start up redhat-config-language first in your guest's
Heh, cnet, being _one of the bigest site networks on the net_ can handle a puny little slashdot effect.. They have far more horse power and visitors then slashdot.. (hard to believe i know ;-)
... so no poor cnet here.. more happy cnet for free promotion
They actualy still make some money from trafic to
(cnet is often in the top 5 of largest websites on the world.. slashdot isn't even near the top100)
Well there are a few points where i would see 64bit computing making a difference. First of all the I/O part, using native 64bit data types for your 64bit PCI slots, moving over 64bit wide I/O channels.. this will save you quite a bit when using gigabit network cards and high end I/O controllers such as raid. Also the graphics / 3D market can benifit from this.. first the graphics industry is moving to higher requirements for prescision of colors and coordinates (so using native 64bit numbers for them won't impact performance as much, but allow a much higher prescision), and it will also be able to use the 64bit I/O busses (the first mobo's i've seen for these CPU's don't have 64bit AGP yet, but i am sure it will happen)
;-)
Last, all this creates a nice new tech platform.. 64bit PCI slots (running on 133 or 64 mhz), and DDR333 ram..
All in all it will make more sence in the beginning to use all this goodness for I/O demanding applications (servers) but i am sure it will break through in the profesional graphics market soon enough, with the consumer market laging behind only a bit.
Also remeber, linux _needs_ 64bit computing.. while linux wasn't that sensitive to the Y2K problem, the 32bit time value used is gonna run out in the next 30 years.. native 64bit integers would mean you can use 64bits for your seconds since 1/1/1970, so keep linux running for a while longer
Yea i was wondering how two great minded moderators concluded that this analogy on how people got into their current situation with microsoft was very offtopic in a discussion about the situation we find our selves in with microsoft..
*sigh* Some moderators i will never get
Thanks for sticking up for it though!
Situations like this always remind me of a anecdote from australia.
If you want to cook a lizard, put it in a pot of cold water, and then slowly raise the temperature. The criter, being cold blooded, will not notice the temperature change as its body will follow the external temperature shifts.
Now if you would throw a lizard in a pot filled with boiling water, it sure would notice, and run the hell away..
The same goes for most bad relationships humans find them selves in. If you would end up in the situation you are in now instantly, you would scream bloody murder, and never accept it!
However, since change happens slowly and small step by small step, people always seem to think "well that little bit extra doesn't make the difference". And you end up in an incredible nightmare, without realising it !
I gues in a way this describes the situation that most people find them selves in with microsoft. They don't know what happened since it never happened in one go.. They don't realise just how disfunctional the relationship is.
Some day people might wake up, but historical evidence would dictate this will not happen untill we are in a LOT bigger mess then we would ever consider acceptable from the start.
The easiest way to do this (disclaimer: only do this when upgrading your distro or the like, restoring it all by hand would be a nightmare!)
# rpm -e `rpm -qa | grep ximian` --nodeps
This will remove any package with 'ximian' in the name from your system. (Used my self it more often then i'd like to)
If only ximian had a 'restore original configuration' option in redcarpet, then i wouldnt be so afraid of using it! I love ximian gnome, their gnome2 snapshots and all their polish, but the idea that upgrading or changing my instalation is gonna be a nightmare is a showstopper for me.