Sorry, for me it still falls under the "Blah, blah, blah, ego masturbation, blah, blah, blah." that usually pours out of Katz's mouth.
OTOH, it is a real bitch getting books published sometimes, and it seems the book industry is in the same rut as the music industry. I swear I keep seeing the same dozen or so authors putting out a new "hit book" every couple months. Sorry, cousin, I ain't buying.
Very true. And if one of the first major publicized uses ends up being some bollixed up mistake of something that was misinterpreted as a crime, then the system will get condemned no matter how much good it could potentially do. However, if the first majorly publicized use ends up catching some serial killer or serial rapist, then it will get highly praised, over all the objections of invasion of privacy.
Highly U.S.-centric, as I imagine that they've already caught lots of criminals in England with a similar system.
Considering how many corporations monitor their employees' e-mail, how many ISPs just roll over for the cops/feds/armed forces when it comes to online information, and how amazingly dense most judges are when it comes to the internet, e-mail, file-sharing, etc., I'd rather that there was some kind of system that can guarentee some sort of privacy. Other then, of course, just not being online.
I'm far too addicted to various online forums, games, and the easy access of e-mail to give it up. But in a like manner, I'm far too addicted to the idea of "Innocent until proven guilty.", "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness", Freedom of Speech, the 5th Amendment, and so on.
I am pretty sure. This means that anyone that installs Linux on a Windows machine (unless they make it a dual boot) is breaking the law.
Snu? The license, yes, is important, but not the OS. If I buy the computer with WinExcrement on it, format the hard drive completely, and install SUSE on it, I am not breaking the law if I donate the computer with SUSE on it to a school.
Technically, it does not mean the legal requirements of entrapment (which boil down to the cop egging you on, saying, "Go ahead and do it."), but yes, some lawyer will probably try and play that card the first time someone caught with this tech manages to get someone besides a public defender.
Hell(tm), it will probably happen the first time some "otherwise upstanding citizen" does it.
Just wait until some idiot lawyer gets involved. He'll portray his client as a law-abiding citizen who was "entrapped" by the police into hotwiring the car and trying to make off with it, only to be caught by those nasty police officers.
Just wait until M$ provides a service that isn't buggy, doesn't crash, and has perfect security. That last one will be the sticking point. Until Microsoft can do the last (and guess what, there isn't any such thing) they won't be providing any kind of national service like this. Or rather, they will, but only after paying off the appropriate number of Congress-critters.
I mean, I'd rather that the company that might provide a National ID have a slightly better track record when it comes to (1) security, (2) bug handling, and (3) telling the truth to the guvmint.
You're not thinking this through. In an Intro to Computer Programming Course, which is probably one of the first CS, if not _the_ first CS course this guy was taking, what do you suppose are the odds that everyone's programs look remarkably similar?
They haven't had the chance to develop their own styles of programming, learn any of the neat shortcuts, etc. Hell(tm), I'm shocked that only 30 lines out of hundreds showed a similarity. (And how much do you want to bet that it's not even the functionality of the program, but rather the result output lines... only so many ways to print text to screen in a Frosh course...)
True, anything that keeps the bloodsucking lawyers from making yet another buck is a good thing. It's a sad tendency when the first reaction in damn near any potential conflict (at least here in the States) is to call the lawyers.
Oh my god, they'll actually have to train their phone techs with a different answer. Like "I actually have no clue what is wrong with your computer, only being a half-trained half-wit."
Nothing to raise water levels? Other then the ice age ending, natural temperature changes over time, etc. Yeah, just because all us nasty anti-Luddites weren't there belching out hydrocarbons from our SUVs doesn't mean that the seasonal temperatures remained constant over all those years.
2) Leng is always depicted in the Lovecraftian stories as being on a plateau. (And presented in "The Dreamquest of Unknown Kadath" as actually being in Earth's Dreamlands).
Although it is an underwater city... I suspect that the aqua-archaeologists couldn't recognize an Elder Sign until it was far too late.
You do realize that this city is over 5000 years old, and homo sapien was still homo sapien, even back then.
This is not evidence, either for or against creationism, or evolutionism. Sure, it's evidence of a particular legend possibly being true, but that's it. When you, and Indiana Jones, go and find the Ark of the Covenant, or the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, let me know. Until then.....
So what you're saying is that, assuming this asinine piece of legislation passes, if I record myself humming a tune that I make up, turn it into an.mp3, and allow anyone to download it for free, the RIAA's CDBTPA would make it illegal?
Yup, oh yeah, we _need_ legislation like this like we need a hole in the head.
Yes, but some U.S. government tech jobs still do have good benefits and a nice pay package. And don't forget those mandatory promotions to a higher GS grade.
No, I don't download a copy every time. I do, however, read different books. And considering that, theoretically, PG is adding new books, there is almost certainly something there I have not read before. If I really like it, I buy a hard copy (i.e. a book) so I can read it any time I want to, rather then having to download it any time I want to re-read it.
Oddly enough, because of Project Gutenberg, I've gone out any bought copies of what I've read there. Mostly because I wanted to own a copy of Dumas' "The Three Musketeers" that I can take to work, on trips, whatever, without having to worry about firewalls preventing me from reading, power failures, whatever.
Same here. About six months ago, I started reading Rex Stout's 'Nero Wolfe' series. Now, I can either wait prolonged amounts of time for the books to be re-released, or I can try and find old copies through Amazon.com.
Am I likely to pay more? Well, frankly, yes. Is it worth it, to me, though? Absolutely. And that's what Amazon.com is going for. It's a business, it's apparently successful, so why should they even consider the arguement to take the used listings down from their prominent location?
The only other real-world analogy I can think of (and it's a crappy one) is one type of food-industry complaining to a chain grocery store about the prominent and easy-access of bread and milk. Sorry, dude, it's what people buy.
By continuing to display advertisements of used books (book v1.0) instead of the new book with the glossy cover (book 2.0 - same contents, new box - hey it works for M$), you are depriving starving young writers like Stephen King and J.K. Rowling of the money they need to provide for their families.
Failure to remove these ads may result in sanctions against you from the WIAA (Writing Industry Association of Amercia) and possible fines.
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Hey, pretty much the same shit seems to work for the RIAA...
The problem comes when they keep pitching, keep pitching, and then pitch some more. Hey, clueless marketing (whoops, redundant) people. If I didn't respond to your first 312 advertisements for a brand new Fleen Wrench, what the Hell(tm) makes you think I will respond to the next 312 advertisements offering the shiny new metal-like carapace guard as a free add-on?
And then the same marketroids use the statistics of their sales (or lack of sales) to justify changes in price, marketing techniques (it didn't work when we only sent the advertisements to the people who might be interested, so let's send it to everyone!), what-have-you, and then a whole new round of glossy color spam goes out, via snail and e-mail.
I'm tired of it. I want to have an e-mail address that does not get spam based upon the fact that I bought a book off a website, ordered plane tickets, or shopped in a mall today. I want to get good service from the businesses I go to, and get ignored by the ones that I don't go to.
How, other then becoming a hermit, can I accomplish this?
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Sorry, for me it still falls under the "Blah, blah, blah, ego masturbation, blah, blah, blah." that usually pours out of Katz's mouth.
OTOH, it is a real bitch getting books published sometimes, and it seems the book industry is in the same rut as the music industry. I swear I keep seeing the same dozen or so authors putting out a new "hit book" every couple months. Sorry, cousin, I ain't buying.
Kierthos
Very true. And if one of the first major publicized uses ends up being some bollixed up mistake of something that was misinterpreted as a crime, then the system will get condemned no matter how much good it could potentially do. However, if the first majorly publicized use ends up catching some serial killer or serial rapist, then it will get highly praised, over all the objections of invasion of privacy.
Highly U.S.-centric, as I imagine that they've already caught lots of criminals in England with a similar system.
Kierthos
Considering how many corporations monitor their employees' e-mail, how many ISPs just roll over for the cops/feds/armed forces when it comes to online information, and how amazingly dense most judges are when it comes to the internet, e-mail, file-sharing, etc., I'd rather that there was some kind of system that can guarentee some sort of privacy. Other then, of course, just not being online.
I'm far too addicted to various online forums, games, and the easy access of e-mail to give it up. But in a like manner, I'm far too addicted to the idea of "Innocent until proven guilty.", "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness", Freedom of Speech, the 5th Amendment, and so on.
Kierthos
Don't just leash your Carnivore, spay or neuter it unless you want to be responsible for little baby Carnivores.
Kierthos
I am pretty sure. This means that anyone that installs Linux on a Windows machine (unless they make it a dual boot) is breaking the law.
Snu? The license, yes, is important, but not the OS. If I buy the computer with WinExcrement on it, format the hard drive completely, and install SUSE on it, I am not breaking the law if I donate the computer with SUSE on it to a school.
Kierthos
Technically, it does not mean the legal requirements of entrapment (which boil down to the cop egging you on, saying, "Go ahead and do it."), but yes, some lawyer will probably try and play that card the first time someone caught with this tech manages to get someone besides a public defender.
Hell(tm), it will probably happen the first time some "otherwise upstanding citizen" does it.
Kierthos
Just wait until some idiot lawyer gets involved. He'll portray his client as a law-abiding citizen who was "entrapped" by the police into hotwiring the car and trying to make off with it, only to be caught by those nasty police officers.
Kierthos
Just wait until M$ provides a service that isn't buggy, doesn't crash, and has perfect security. That last one will be the sticking point. Until Microsoft can do the last (and guess what, there isn't any such thing) they won't be providing any kind of national service like this. Or rather, they will, but only after paying off the appropriate number of Congress-critters.
I mean, I'd rather that the company that might provide a National ID have a slightly better track record when it comes to (1) security, (2) bug handling, and (3) telling the truth to the guvmint.
Kierthos
You're not thinking this through. In an Intro to Computer Programming Course, which is probably one of the first CS, if not _the_ first CS course this guy was taking, what do you suppose are the odds that everyone's programs look remarkably similar?
They haven't had the chance to develop their own styles of programming, learn any of the neat shortcuts, etc. Hell(tm), I'm shocked that only 30 lines out of hundreds showed a similarity. (And how much do you want to bet that it's not even the functionality of the program, but rather the result output lines... only so many ways to print text to screen in a Frosh course...)
Kierthos
True, anything that keeps the bloodsucking lawyers from making yet another buck is a good thing. It's a sad tendency when the first reaction in damn near any potential conflict (at least here in the States) is to call the lawyers.
Kierthos
In other words, they gave up rights they would normally have as well.
Kierthos
Oh my god, they'll actually have to train their phone techs with a different answer. Like "I actually have no clue what is wrong with your computer, only being a half-trained half-wit."
Kierthos
Nothing to raise water levels? Other then the ice age ending, natural temperature changes over time, etc. Yeah, just because all us nasty anti-Luddites weren't there belching out hydrocarbons from our SUVs doesn't mean that the seasonal temperatures remained constant over all those years.
Kierthos
1) It's R'lyeh.
2) Leng is always depicted in the Lovecraftian stories as being on a plateau. (And presented in "The Dreamquest of Unknown Kadath" as actually being in Earth's Dreamlands).
Although it is an underwater city... I suspect that the aqua-archaeologists couldn't recognize an Elder Sign until it was far too late.
Kierthos
You do realize that this city is over 5000 years old, and homo sapien was still homo sapien, even back then.
This is not evidence, either for or against creationism, or evolutionism. Sure, it's evidence of a particular legend possibly being true, but that's it. When you, and Indiana Jones, go and find the Ark of the Covenant, or the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, let me know. Until then.....
Kierthos
So what you're saying is that, assuming this asinine piece of legislation passes, if I record myself humming a tune that I make up, turn it into an .mp3, and allow anyone to download it for free, the RIAA's CDBTPA would make it illegal?
Yup, oh yeah, we _need_ legislation like this like we need a hole in the head.
Kierthos
Yes, but some U.S. government tech jobs still do have good benefits and a nice pay package. And don't forget those mandatory promotions to a higher GS grade.
Kierthos
No, I don't download a copy every time. I do, however, read different books. And considering that, theoretically, PG is adding new books, there is almost certainly something there I have not read before. If I really like it, I buy a hard copy (i.e. a book) so I can read it any time I want to, rather then having to download it any time I want to re-read it.
Kierthos
Oddly enough, because of Project Gutenberg, I've gone out any bought copies of what I've read there. Mostly because I wanted to own a copy of Dumas' "The Three Musketeers" that I can take to work, on trips, whatever, without having to worry about firewalls preventing me from reading, power failures, whatever.
Kierthos
Because people are greedy. And frequently stupid about it.
Kierthos
Same here. About six months ago, I started reading Rex Stout's 'Nero Wolfe' series. Now, I can either wait prolonged amounts of time for the books to be re-released, or I can try and find old copies through Amazon.com.
Am I likely to pay more? Well, frankly, yes. Is it worth it, to me, though? Absolutely. And that's what Amazon.com is going for. It's a business, it's apparently successful, so why should they even consider the arguement to take the used listings down from their prominent location?
The only other real-world analogy I can think of (and it's a crappy one) is one type of food-industry complaining to a chain grocery store about the prominent and easy-access of bread and milk. Sorry, dude, it's what people buy.
Kierthos
Nothing, other then being online and therefore very naughty indeed.
Kierthos
By continuing to display advertisements of used books (book v1.0) instead of the new book with the glossy cover (book 2.0 - same contents, new box - hey it works for M$), you are depriving starving young writers like Stephen King and J.K. Rowling of the money they need to provide for their families.
Failure to remove these ads may result in sanctions against you from the WIAA (Writing Industry Association of Amercia) and possible fines.
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Hey, pretty much the same shit seems to work for the RIAA...
Kierthos
The problem comes when they keep pitching, keep pitching, and then pitch some more. Hey, clueless marketing (whoops, redundant) people. If I didn't respond to your first 312 advertisements for a brand new Fleen Wrench, what the Hell(tm) makes you think I will respond to the next 312 advertisements offering the shiny new metal-like carapace guard as a free add-on?
And then the same marketroids use the statistics of their sales (or lack of sales) to justify changes in price, marketing techniques (it didn't work when we only sent the advertisements to the people who might be interested, so let's send it to everyone!), what-have-you, and then a whole new round of glossy color spam goes out, via snail and e-mail.
I'm tired of it. I want to have an e-mail address that does not get spam based upon the fact that I bought a book off a website, ordered plane tickets, or shopped in a mall today. I want to get good service from the businesses I go to, and get ignored by the ones that I don't go to.
How, other then becoming a hermit, can I accomplish this?
Kierthos
You're confusing Yahoo! with Verisign again...
Kierthos