Then in the 80's, there were Apple II computers, and various clones! Apple added checks to try to prevent their OS from running on the clones, and people hacked either the software or their machines to get around it.
I must have been out of the loop (or not on the internets), because after this Apple went to great lengths to "lock down" the macintosh. So much so that it never garnered the critical mass that a crappy Win 3.1 OS with open architecture could. And I never saw the old Mac OS run on x86, or other hardware.
Including the Mac clones which also was never (to my knowledge) hacked to run on unlicensed hardware.
Philosophically speaking, companies are predictable in a sense that they find it hard to depart from a recipe that works (however limited) to them. From the predictable bulldozer tactics of Microsoft to the predictable "making software to sell hardware plan" of Apple.
I'm sure that everyone here dreams of the day that a box of Mac OS will be sitting next to the Windows XP(or Vista or whatever MS). But the fact is that it is not in Steve Jobs genetics to do this.
I'm sure that when Mac OSx86 is released (on their corresponding Apple x86 machines) that the OS will be so intertwined with hardware at the transitor level that it will be a nightmare to undo. Sure it can be done. But what is the point when only you and a handful of your geek friends have it running on your beige box (that will probably be crashing every two hours) when the rest of your family (and everybody else) are buying boxes of Apple Hardware??
Maybe it's like climbing a mountain. But the time is spent in a much more wise fashion by working on open source usability to make that an attractive alternative to friends and family that do not want (or is not able) to purchase shiny new Macs.
Looks like we need you again. Hope you haven't let those hacking skills get rusty.
I believe anything can be hacked. But in a sense this helps "justifying" DRM and the manufacturers respond by implementing more draconian DRM.
There comes a point where playing the game is silly and pointless. It becomes time to say "enough" and let the companies who produce crappy DRM chained products to strangle on their own failures.
Rather than provide users with a workable "hack around" which keeps people buying DRM'd products, and hence continue to justify the market.
if they had seventy-five years of Disney to rip off first.
You mean like what Disney does when they rip-off the public domain and create their own versions of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, Cinderella, Pinocchio, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Alice in Wonderland, and The Jungle Book??
Theres no point in travelling at close to light speed if your have no way of stopping....SPLAT
Well, considering that the nearest star systems are greater than 4.3 light years away, you do not have to worry about it, as you would be dead from starvation.
It's the same reason that Nuclear subs are not limited by how much time they can stay underwater, but how much food they can carry. The need for food makes such long distances impractical, if not intolerable. "Growing" food along the way would mean a very limited diet for eight years (assuming you want to come home), something else that is intolerable.
The first use of this could be unmanned probes - but a four year wait time for signals to travel means that it would be impossible controlling it, and would have to have it's own artificial inteligence.
Of course, if you just wanted to visit the Mars and breath its clean fresh air and gaze upon its deep green pastures then this...oh wait...Mars doesn't have that.
I think the best way to travel long distances is by using a stargate. Mondays on the sci-fi channel.
"It probably wasn't terribly kosher to do so but they got away with it."
and
"they changed log files monitoring time on the system, were caught and that they were banned from the system? Then, weeks later, a deal was struck where they could get time in exchange for documenting bugs."
Really, this shows their immoral business acumen at work, and shows that it has been repeated ad nauseam right from the start and continues to this day;
"See how much you can get way with, we do not care if it is legal or not, and we will just cut a deal if we do get caught."
Other examples that come to mind (besides Stacker) - illegal OEM deals, breaking DRDos-Win3.1, the antitrust trial with IE and breaking the consent decree. On and on.
There is no law in the US that does not allow a single person to reverse engineer something.
What is against the law is copying the code line by line into your own creation.
I think it might be argued that it would be "fair use" if a small portion of code was used to achieve certain functionality. But because the vast majority of the citizenship is stupid and worships at the ivory tower of copyright, I would not trust a jury to see it this way.
Companies have tried to extend patents by copyrighting the way a device looks (and hence its functionality) to try and gain the ridiculous protection that copyright law currently offers (or they will try the samething with trademarks). Thankfully there is established case law and a couple of judges on the bench who have repeatedly thrown out such attempts.
Many companies "do not get it" (and neither do legislators). It either needs to be protected by a copyright, patent or trademark. Not both a copyright and simultaneously a patent (and then later when the patent runs out - a trademark - like what happened with those little square juiceboxes - the maker tried to trademark the "look" after the patent expired). If it's a device - it gets a patent. Name for the device - a trademark. Something that is written - copyright.
It truly is unfortunate that patent and copyright protection has been afforded to software simultaneously. This and other outrageous practices such as EULAs show that the software industry has gotten away without accountability for way too long.
While I'm ranting, software makers need to be held accountable for software that is continuosly not secure (i.g. Windows). Like rolling bugfixes into the next upgrade to force users to get on the upgrade mill or be hacked. This needs to stop, and people need to stop selling and buying crapware from people that will let adware, trojans, spyware or whoever is in Romania to have root with a users computer.
Penalties need to be harsh. And Sony, for your underhanded attempt at rootkitting everybody, you need to face a financial penalty that stings - like a $100 check to everyone that has one of those CDs, which is what a local computer tech would charge to do a windows re-install.
The only caveat to the point that you make is that I believe that since the DMCA copyright is a criminal offense instead of a civil one (in the vast majority of cases).
The "clean room' procedure is what enable clone pc's to exist in the first place when compaq cloned the bios with the two engineer method to make their reversing watertight, which it was.
It's nice to try and do that way, but not necessary. I think the big issue for single developers is not so much legally reverse engineering (which is still legal to the chagrin of many ignorant and selfish people) is not so much being right, as having the money to defend themselves in court.
So if you and a buddy "clean room something" that's only half the job. The other half is having money in the bank to cover future possible legal expenses.
I think the lesson we have seen often on slashdot is big corporations "bullying" some little guy who for all intense and purposes is legally right with what they are doing, but the corporation (or their hired suits who need to justify their salary) are the ones who are actually wrong.
Also, I would consider both the DMCA and CTEA immoral laws for a variety of reasons.
They have not been "banned". If you notice the current wikipedia talk for this IP, they have been blocked for one week only . The have been blocked temporarily many times in the pass.
Wikipedia, stop being a victim, get some balls, and permantly ban this IP - to once and for all prevent further abuse from this IP, and to send a very public message that this behavior will not be tolerated.
They are not getting the message with "temporary blocks".
I know that they can just go home and post from their home computers and it turns into whack-a-mole, but the message still needs to be sent. And it will lessen this abuse, and raise the public's opinion about your integrity
Hey, I got an idea - we'll make a TV show based on this idea - like a "gate to the stars". It will be run by the airforce in a bunker and feature a loyal team of intrepid explorers. And one of them will be a cute perky blonde nerd.
Of course, we know that cute perky blonde nerds don't exist in real life.
Generally large fireballs are associated with explosions, which this seemed to be. More specifically, the shuttle was wrenched off course suddenly by the disintegrating and burning fuel tank (i.e. the exploding (or as others will be sure to point out to me-rapidly burning) part). While the crew cabin survived and plummeted to the ocean at more than 200 mph. It has been heavily rumored that buried in a secret safe in NASA is a tape recording from one of the astronauts (who had a recorder running during takeoff in his pocket) muttering the Lord's prayer during the descent.
There is sufficent evidence that the bodies of the astronauts were put in barrels on the back of a flatbed when brought ashore as to not raise any suspicion
Pieces of Challenger still occasionally wash up on the beach, with a large wing portion showing up on the beach in the late nineties. Pieces of the wreckage of the shuttle are "entombed" in a missile silo on Cape Canaveral.
There is this very prescient article written while the shuttles were being built. He also wrote an excellent followup after Columbia. Personally, I thought Challenger was a "one-off" and that things had been fixed, but I lost all faith in the space agency (and its subsequent funding for the expensive shuttles).
There never been an exact cost released by NASA for what it takes to launch a shuttle, but I'm quite sure that it is very much more than the 500 million they said before the Columbia disaster. Some say more than a billion dollars.
Which I believe would be the cost to build a decent Hubble replacement and launch on an unmanned rocket. Food for thought.
Slashdot Mirror
The problem isn't guys roleplaying female characters, it's guys roleplaying female players.
I agree. I'm a firm believer that when you find out that the underwear isn't pink, you TEAM KILL!!!
Then in the 80's, there were Apple II computers, and various clones! Apple added checks to try to prevent their OS from running on the clones, and people hacked either the software or their machines to get around it.
I must have been out of the loop (or not on the internets), because after this Apple went to great lengths to "lock down" the macintosh. So much so that it never garnered the critical mass that a crappy Win 3.1 OS with open architecture could. And I never saw the old Mac OS run on x86, or other hardware.
Including the Mac clones which also was never (to my knowledge) hacked to run on unlicensed hardware.
Philosophically speaking, companies are predictable in a sense that they find it hard to depart from a recipe that works (however limited) to them. From the predictable bulldozer tactics of Microsoft to the predictable "making software to sell hardware plan" of Apple.
I'm sure that everyone here dreams of the day that a box of Mac OS will be sitting next to the Windows XP(or Vista or whatever MS). But the fact is that it is not in Steve Jobs genetics to do this.
I'm sure that when Mac OSx86 is released (on their corresponding Apple x86 machines) that the OS will be so intertwined with hardware at the transitor level that it will be a nightmare to undo. Sure it can be done. But what is the point when only you and a handful of your geek friends have it running on your beige box (that will probably be crashing every two hours) when the rest of your family (and everybody else) are buying boxes of Apple Hardware??
Maybe it's like climbing a mountain. But the time is spent in a much more wise fashion by working on open source usability to make that an attractive alternative to friends and family that do not want (or is not able) to purchase shiny new Macs.
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety are probably British and should be shot at."
Didn't he also say "Identity cards will become easy targets for identity thieves and hackers??"
How well will this stand up to a lower bitrate/encoding setting?
You mean before it's called noise??
Looks like we need you again. Hope you haven't let those hacking skills get rusty.
I believe anything can be hacked. But in a sense this helps "justifying" DRM and the manufacturers respond by implementing more draconian DRM.
There comes a point where playing the game is silly and pointless. It becomes time to say "enough" and let the companies who produce crappy DRM chained products to strangle on their own failures.
Rather than provide users with a workable "hack around" which keeps people buying DRM'd products, and hence continue to justify the market.
Toxoplasma is actually the eggs for body thetans. If you do not want to believe this, read this link
The earth is a battlefield, my friend. I'm going to get audited errrr tested.
Personally, I think you need to re-evaluate that comment.
:D
Stargates are still the only way to go
if they had seventy-five years of Disney to rip off first.
You mean like what Disney does when they rip-off the public domain and create their own versions of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, Cinderella, Pinocchio, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Alice in Wonderland, and The Jungle Book??
Somebody, please mod parent as troll.
Theres no point in travelling at close to light speed if your have no way of stopping....SPLAT
Well, considering that the nearest star systems are greater than 4.3 light years away, you do not have to worry about it, as you would be dead from starvation.
It's the same reason that Nuclear subs are not limited by how much time they can stay underwater, but how much food they can carry. The need for food makes such long distances impractical, if not intolerable. "Growing" food along the way would mean a very limited diet for eight years (assuming you want to come home), something else that is intolerable.
The first use of this could be unmanned probes - but a four year wait time for signals to travel means that it would be impossible controlling it, and would have to have it's own artificial inteligence.
Of course, if you just wanted to visit the Mars and breath its clean fresh air and gaze upon its deep green pastures then this...oh wait...Mars doesn't have that.
I think the best way to travel long distances is by using a stargate. Mondays on the sci-fi channel.
It makes you wonder if copyrights were ever allowed to expire again, what other new and wonderful creations might be created, doesn't it??
Use TPS reports. You'll thank me later.
My thoughts exactly. From the parent post(s);
"It probably wasn't terribly kosher to do so but they got away with it."
and
"they changed log files monitoring time on the system, were caught and that they were banned from the system? Then, weeks later, a deal was struck where they could get time in exchange for documenting bugs."
Really, this shows their immoral business acumen at work, and shows that it has been repeated ad nauseam right from the start and continues to this day;
"See how much you can get way with, we do not care if it is legal or not, and we will just cut a deal if we do get caught."
Other examples that come to mind (besides Stacker) - illegal OEM deals, breaking DRDos-Win3.1, the antitrust trial with IE and breaking the consent decree. On and on.
Love Exciting and New
come aboard, we're expecting you
The Love Boat
soon will be making another run
The Love Boat
promises something for everyone
Set a course for adventure,
your mind's on a new romance
Oh...wait...wrong boat...
maybe not worth the paper it's printed on, but this is way more detail than I've seen on this in years
It's a conspiracy. At the last moment before the release the offices/factory will have a "successful fire", then it will be back to square one.
There is no need to worry that it will be released. Everybody can go back to work now.
It could still not make it through to gold, because, lets face it, no game can live up to expectations of a 10 year wait
Not to mention that it would do away with the nerd time measurement of "infinity".
Quite honestly, it would be the duty of stores everywhere to burn every copy they receive.
That it will be available in stores everywhere, in the springtime after hell freezes over.
There is no law in the US that does not allow a single person to reverse engineer something.
What is against the law is copying the code line by line into your own creation.
I think it might be argued that it would be "fair use" if a small portion of code was used to achieve certain functionality. But because the vast majority of the citizenship is stupid and worships at the ivory tower of copyright, I would not trust a jury to see it this way.
Companies have tried to extend patents by copyrighting the way a device looks (and hence its functionality) to try and gain the ridiculous protection that copyright law currently offers (or they will try the samething with trademarks). Thankfully there is established case law and a couple of judges on the bench who have repeatedly thrown out such attempts.
Many companies "do not get it" (and neither do legislators). It either needs to be protected by a copyright, patent or trademark. Not both a copyright and simultaneously a patent (and then later when the patent runs out - a trademark - like what happened with those little square juiceboxes - the maker tried to trademark the "look" after the patent expired). If it's a device - it gets a patent. Name for the device - a trademark. Something that is written - copyright.
It truly is unfortunate that patent and copyright protection has been afforded to software simultaneously. This and other outrageous practices such as EULAs show that the software industry has gotten away without accountability for way too long.
While I'm ranting, software makers need to be held accountable for software that is continuosly not secure (i.g. Windows). Like rolling bugfixes into the next upgrade to force users to get on the upgrade mill or be hacked. This needs to stop, and people need to stop selling and buying crapware from people that will let adware, trojans, spyware or whoever is in Romania to have root with a users computer.
Penalties need to be harsh. And Sony, for your underhanded attempt at rootkitting everybody, you need to face a financial penalty that stings - like a $100 check to everyone that has one of those CDs, which is what a local computer tech would charge to do a windows re-install.
The only caveat to the point that you make is that I believe that since the DMCA copyright is a criminal offense instead of a civil one (in the vast majority of cases).
The "clean room' procedure is what enable clone pc's to exist in the first place when compaq cloned the bios with the two engineer method to make their reversing watertight, which it was.
It's nice to try and do that way, but not necessary. I think the big issue for single developers is not so much legally reverse engineering (which is still legal to the chagrin of many ignorant and selfish people) is not so much being right, as having the money to defend themselves in court.
So if you and a buddy "clean room something" that's only half the job. The other half is having money in the bank to cover future possible legal expenses.
I think the lesson we have seen often on slashdot is big corporations "bullying" some little guy who for all intense and purposes is legally right with what they are doing, but the corporation (or their hired suits who need to justify their salary) are the ones who are actually wrong.
Also, I would consider both the DMCA and CTEA immoral laws for a variety of reasons.
Yeah, I'm in the process of pulling out my soldering iron to unsolder the write pin to my bios. =:)
They have not been "banned". If you notice the current wikipedia talk for this IP, they have been blocked for one week only . The have been blocked temporarily many times in the pass.
Wikipedia, stop being a victim, get some balls, and permantly ban this IP - to once and for all prevent further abuse from this IP, and to send a very public message that this behavior will not be tolerated.
They are not getting the message with "temporary blocks".
I know that they can just go home and post from their home computers and it turns into whack-a-mole, but the message still needs to be sent. And it will lessen this abuse, and raise the public's opinion about your integrity
we can colonize a new universe through a wormhole
Hey, I got an idea - we'll make a TV show based on this idea - like a "gate to the stars". It will be run by the airforce in a bunker and feature a loyal team of intrepid explorers. And one of them will be a cute perky blonde nerd.
Of course, we know that cute perky blonde nerds don't exist in real life.
in making purchases based on the lowest possible price. Sooner or later, it all catches up at once.
I agree. When you buy junk off ebay, you're bound to get ripped off sooner or later.
Generally large fireballs are associated with explosions, which this seemed to be. More specifically, the shuttle was wrenched off course suddenly by the disintegrating and burning fuel tank (i.e. the exploding (or as others will be sure to point out to me-rapidly burning) part). While the crew cabin survived and plummeted to the ocean at more than 200 mph. It has been heavily rumored that buried in a secret safe in NASA is a tape recording from one of the astronauts (who had a recorder running during takeoff in his pocket) muttering the Lord's prayer during the descent.
There is sufficent evidence that the bodies of the astronauts were put in barrels on the back of a flatbed when brought ashore as to not raise any suspicion
Pieces of Challenger still occasionally wash up on the beach, with a large wing portion showing up on the beach in the late nineties. Pieces of the wreckage of the shuttle are "entombed" in a missile silo on Cape Canaveral.
There is this very prescient article written while the shuttles were being built. He also wrote an excellent followup after Columbia. Personally, I thought Challenger was a "one-off" and that things had been fixed, but I lost all faith in the space agency (and its subsequent funding for the expensive shuttles).
There never been an exact cost released by NASA for what it takes to launch a shuttle, but I'm quite sure that it is very much more than the 500 million they said before the Columbia disaster. Some say more than a billion dollars.
Which I believe would be the cost to build a decent Hubble replacement and launch on an unmanned rocket. Food for thought.
ACPI only uses your power until you are hacked, then somebody else has the power.
What's a NASA guy doing giving talks about earth-bound motor vehicles and the technologies to use?
Agreed. He is not a scientist, but a terrroist. I hope that the wiretaps are installed to monitor this unpatriotic and subversive behavior.