Oh man, you have no idea how much that upsets me. As a resident of Australia, and under the large thumb of Telstra, I'm stuck on a 56k modem link, and will be for quite some time. Cable's available to some people in other cities (God forbid we get this technology in the capital), ISDN is still incredibly expensive, as is frame relay and anything else at all better than a modem.
God help us all really, and you Americans be thankful!
...Exactly what this means in plain english? Does it mean that if you can get away with it, you can choose a foetus' eye colour, build, metabolic rate, penis size? (Sorry, Gattaca screened last night).
What does it mean? Or have they just mapped where the gene for hair colour is, and don't know how to change it, or...???
...Micropayments... Now Jakob Nielson is a loud-mouthed bastard who I heartily disagree with on some topics, but he's right about one thing. There needs to be a widespread simple method that allows us to make micropayments, like 2 cents a page or something like that, so sites with info that takes money to produce can make their profit.
I know that most of the OSS people don't believe that you should pay for information, but if it were so, chances are whoever pays your salary would be out of business, so you'd be digging holes or working at woolies to pay your bills.
Holy bejeesus this sucks. I'm so tired of reading stupid haiku, and it _still_ gets moderated up. It was funny the first couple of times, then it was kinda boring, but now it's just plain annoying. Making up some ranom haiku is not funny any more.
3DO Never whent a step further. They never even built a console. They imagined up a machine, and sold the rights to build it. To Panasonic and Goldstar I believe, as well as Creative Labs -I always wanted a 3DO-blaster (to play ssf2t).
I think that there has to be a solution, and here's what I propose:
1. Keep the system of moderation and so forth as it is now.
2. Hide everything from users. Don't display the +5 or the Funny/Troll bait/Karma whore...
3. Don't let _anybody_ know anybody else's karma. It was a good idea, but people post shit just to make themselves think that they're important if their karma goes up a little bit
4. Add some randomness to it. Keep the posts more or less in order of their scores, but mix 4s with 5s, 3s with 4s, etc, and randomly mix in some of the un-rated comments every now and then.
So what you're saying, is that windows2000 is basically an add-on to qdos?
But of course I'm sure that you're as happy to state that linux is just tacked onto Unix 0 on some Vax machine in the mists of time.
Frankly, it's just grandpa's axe. The handle's been replaced a few times, and it's gone through 13 heads, but it's the same axe. In fact, windows2000 must be the latest upgrade from MacroSloth Abacus(tm) (17)23.
And no, gates didn't write the operating system- He never claimed to have written it. All he did was make a brilliant business decision. If you don't like the end result, blame IBM. He did however write a shitload of the stuff it came with (including the BASIC in ROM on all the old machines), and he did invent the filesystem it ran on.
I know, I know, he was trolling, but I can't resist- The only band is a one-hit wonder?!?!?!
Bloody americans and brits... You hassle us, when you gobble up the nasty shit we don't want to know about, like savage garden, peter andre, that dude from neighbours that hangs out with elton, and (shudder) fosters.
As soon as somebody says "email virus" all the slashdotters go up in flames about how mas M$ is and how outlook and VB are the root of all evil (which may be true of vb but i digress).
If you would take more than 2 seconds to look at the ACTUAL FACTS (*mass intake of breath*) you'd see that this is a trojan, that is spread by people running attachments... WOW! OH MY GOD! ATTACHMENTS CAN COME TO OTHER EMAIL CLIENTS!!!! Who'da thunk it? Damned microsoft, it must be their fault... How could anything bad not be microsoft's fault???
Clowns. Now watch me get moderated into oblivion for not bagging MS.
That's the point he was making. We may think what they have done is unethical, but it was legal, and if they don't do everything _legal_ to up their earnings, the stockholders can and will sue.
Microsoft however, broke the law, but still what they did may be considered quite moral by many people out there. "They gave it away for free instead of charging for it... how nice of them"...
That's the distinction. Have Amazon muscled out any of the little guys? No, they sued B&N because they sued them first, and we attack them just because we think everything should be patent free. And look what happens? Somebody else sees easy dollars, and sues amazon, so it just goes to show that need all the patents they can get to defend against this sort of outrageous behaviour.
I have to disagree... There is a belief around that all things OSS are good, and all things closed are bad.
And whatever he said, I will say, linux does not scale well at all. Once you have more than a handfull of processors, linux loses, and NT, Solaris, etc all win. And K/Gnome??? Sure, they're configurable, and powerful, but when it comes to doing work (other than trumped up shell windows), neither comes close to win98/macos for ease of use, consistency, or navigability. *inhales sharply*
Don't get me wrong, I like linux, I think OSS is a Good-Thing(tm), and we run all our webservers on Linux where I work. However, we know, when it comes to enterprise-level databases, it just won't cut it, and for that we have a Sun with Oracle 8, because we know it will stand up, and if it doesn't, there are people to sue.
Of course it's just as vulnerable to attacks. The same users who run untrusted files as Administrator in windows2000 or NT are the same that give themselves root priveledges or run as root on their desktop linux boxes. After all, who needs security from themselves, right?;-)
Virii (computer kind) can't spread without humans carrying it a little bit of the way.
Who says you own your shopping records? You walk into their store and use their equipment to purchase it.
"But they use it to send me ads". Why is this bad? They get to send you the ads you're most likely to respond to, and instead of random ads, you get ads for product genres you're interested in. I'd sure as hell be glad if I could say "I hate hyundai" and see no more hyundai adds on tv, and get targeted ads compared to the crap thar filters my way at the moment.
The bottom line is you're going to see adds. If you don't like it, move into the mountains or something. It is not bad to see ads you're more likely to be interested in, and tracking crap youbuy isn't a violation of your rights, it's how you pay for the convenience of your Visa and your fly-buys.
...That these kind of systems cannot work. People are making all sorts of comparisons with TV commercials and so forth, which isn't really fair.
The main differences, are interactivity and bandwidth. A first point, is TV ads are full-screen, full-motion, and full-sound. This allows for a much more human-friendly presentation.
Secondly, and most importantly, is interactivity- When an ad comes on TV, you're not missing the TV show... It's not going on without you. But on the web, you could look at the ad, or you could skim down and ignore everything except whatever it is you came to the page for. Billboards don't work online. Something different needs to come about.
TV is a single stream coming to you, but the web isn't. When it's an uninterrupted stream, they can force ads to you, but forced web systems can allways be hacked, because there's a difference between content you request, and content that's spammed. On tv, you request the whole thing, ads and all by turning it on.
Oh yeah, and plus you'd never see your average joe shmoe reach for his remote if "switch to the channel with the monkey and win $20" came up on the screen!
This is really busted... Sure, there are a lot of _us_ using lynx, but you find me more than 3 newbies who aren't using netscape or explorer?
And the blind thing? Most websites use Alt tags. I don't. I know, I'm a sinner, but most people can see, and it f***s up when all the images have alt tags while they're loading, and I f***ing hate mousovers that popup over my links, that's what the status bar is for.
And the site in question???? I'm sorry, but if my chemist is blind, I'm going to a different chemist. And who else but your chemist or the odd journalist is going to be reading a pharmaceutical (sp?) website?
Phew! Now I've got that off my chest, I'm about to wear a big -1 for not wanting lynx users complaining when my shopping carts don't work:-)
...Strictly speaking there's some rule it violates, but I can't remember. I did however argue that I thought it was with my colledge math teachers for months (before I go onto that 1/infinity must be _equal_ to 0 argument). And they kept proving me wrong.
0 is neither an odd nor an even number. It's just 0.
Slashdot Mirror
Oh man, you have no idea how much that upsets me. As a resident of Australia, and under the large thumb of Telstra, I'm stuck on a 56k modem link, and will be for quite some time. Cable's available to some people in other cities (God forbid we get this technology in the capital), ISDN is still incredibly expensive, as is frame relay and anything else at all better than a modem.
God help us all really, and you Americans be thankful!
Gfunk
Aaaah, but a mostly php page doesn't mean bad planning. I write sites all the time, which are all mostly php. You have:
//Handles shopping cart/whatever
//closes everything off
A bunch of includes
handle_globals();
page_header();
code and so forth in here
page_footer();
And so forth. It often makes the code easier to maintain, and also makes it easier for system-wide changes, that can't be done with just CSS.
Gfunk
Do we care? Why the fsck was that moderated to 2??? I don't want to read it while i'm on slashdot!
Gfunk
...Exactly what this means in plain english? Does it mean that if you can get away with it, you can choose a foetus' eye colour, build, metabolic rate, penis size? (Sorry, Gattaca screened last night).
What does it mean? Or have they just mapped where the gene for hair colour is, and don't know how to change it, or...???
Am I the only person who doesn't know?
Gfunk
And btw, if somebody could explain why /. thought this story wasn't important enough to the online community to run, please let me know.
They did, when it was news, sometime last year iirc.
Gfunk
...Micropayments... Now Jakob Nielson is a loud-mouthed bastard who I heartily disagree with on some topics, but he's right about one thing. There needs to be a widespread simple method that allows us to make micropayments, like 2 cents a page or something like that, so sites with info that takes money to produce can make their profit.
I know that most of the OSS people don't believe that you should pay for information, but if it were so, chances are whoever pays your salary would be out of business, so you'd be digging holes or working at woolies to pay your bills.
-Gfunk
Holy bejeesus this sucks. I'm so tired of reading stupid haiku, and it _still_ gets moderated up. It was funny the first couple of times, then it was kinda boring, but now it's just plain annoying. Making up some ranom haiku is not funny any more.
Gfunk
...and I'll throw a shrimp on it.
I'll make a website about barbies and the art of throwing shrimp (and drinking fosters), and warming up steaks... Aussies unite!
(Disclaimer: Only americans drink fosters, and shrimp tastes like shit).
Gfunk
3DO Never whent a step further. They never even built a console. They imagined up a machine, and sold the rights to build it. To Panasonic and Goldstar I believe, as well as Creative Labs -I always wanted a 3DO-blaster (to play ssf2t).
Any corrections?
Gfunk
Time to go buy that 'Dummies guide to math' book.
Ooooooh, now you've done it... IDG are gonna have to close down slashdot now... I hope you're happy!
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I think that there has to be a solution, and here's what I propose:
1. Keep the system of moderation and so forth as it is now.
2. Hide everything from users. Don't display the +5 or the Funny/Troll bait/Karma whore...
3. Don't let _anybody_ know anybody else's karma. It was a good idea, but people post shit just to make themselves think that they're important if their karma goes up a little bit
4. Add some randomness to it. Keep the posts more or less in order of their scores, but mix 4s with 5s, 3s with 4s, etc, and randomly mix in some of the un-rated comments every now and then.
What does the mob think about these ideas?
Hahahahaha! That rules!
;-)
who.is.god?
this.is.god
why.is.god
rms.is.god - for the zealots
Moderate him up!
G-funk
So what you're saying, is that windows2000 is basically an add-on to qdos?
But of course I'm sure that you're as happy to state that linux is just tacked onto Unix 0 on some Vax machine in the mists of time.
Frankly, it's just grandpa's axe. The handle's been replaced a few times, and it's gone through 13 heads, but it's the same axe. In fact, windows2000 must be the latest upgrade from MacroSloth Abacus(tm) (17)23.
And no, gates didn't write the operating system- He never claimed to have written it. All he did was make a brilliant business decision. If you don't like the end result, blame IBM. He did however write a shitload of the stuff it came with (including the BASIC in ROM on all the old machines), and he did invent the filesystem it ran on.
-Gfunk
I know, I know, he was trolling, but I can't resist- The only band is a one-hit wonder?!?!?!
Bloody americans and brits... You hassle us, when you gobble up the nasty shit we don't want to know about, like savage garden, peter andre, that dude from neighbours that hangs out with elton, and (shudder) fosters.
As soon as somebody says "email virus" all the slashdotters go up in flames about how mas M$ is and how outlook and VB are the root of all evil (which may be true of vb but i digress).
If you would take more than 2 seconds to look at the ACTUAL FACTS (*mass intake of breath*) you'd see that this is a trojan, that is spread by people running attachments... WOW! OH MY GOD! ATTACHMENTS CAN COME TO OTHER EMAIL CLIENTS!!!! Who'da thunk it? Damned microsoft, it must be their fault... How could anything bad not be microsoft's fault???
Clowns.
Now watch me get moderated into oblivion for not bagging MS.
-Gfunk
LINL.... Linux is not linux... How is this recursive???
That's the point he was making. We may think what they have done is unethical, but it was legal, and if they don't do everything _legal_ to up their earnings, the stockholders can and will sue.
Microsoft however, broke the law, but still what they did may be considered quite moral by many people out there. "They gave it away for free instead of charging for it... how nice of them"...
That's the distinction. Have Amazon muscled out any of the little guys? No, they sued B&N because they sued them first, and we attack them just because we think everything should be patent free. And look what happens? Somebody else sees easy dollars, and sues amazon, so it just goes to show that need all the patents they can get to defend against this sort of outrageous behaviour.
G-funk
I have to disagree... There is a belief around that all things OSS are good, and all things closed are bad.
.02
And whatever he said, I will say, linux does not scale well at all. Once you have more than a handfull of processors, linux loses, and NT, Solaris, etc all win. And K/Gnome??? Sure, they're configurable, and powerful, but when it comes to doing work (other than trumped up shell windows), neither comes close to win98/macos for ease of use, consistency, or navigability. *inhales sharply*
Don't get me wrong, I like linux, I think OSS is a Good-Thing(tm), and we run all our webservers on Linux where I work. However, we know, when it comes to enterprise-level databases, it just won't cut it, and for that we have a Sun with Oracle 8, because we know it will stand up, and if it doesn't, there are people to sue.
My
G-funk
Of course it's just as vulnerable to attacks. The same users who run untrusted files as Administrator in windows2000 or NT are the same that give themselves root priveledges or run as root on their desktop linux boxes. After all, who needs security from themselves, right? ;-)
Virii (computer kind) can't spread without humans carrying it a little bit of the way.
-Gfunk
"Information wants to be free"...
"as long as it means me getting something".
Who says you own your shopping records? You walk into their store and use their equipment to purchase it.
"But they use it to send me ads". Why is this bad? They get to send you the ads you're most likely to respond to, and instead of random ads, you get ads for product genres you're interested in. I'd sure as hell be glad if I could say "I hate hyundai" and see no more hyundai adds on tv, and get targeted ads compared to the crap thar filters my way at the moment.
The bottom line is you're going to see adds. If you don't like it, move into the mountains or something. It is not bad to see ads you're more likely to be interested in, and tracking crap youbuy isn't a violation of your rights, it's how you pay for the convenience of your Visa and your fly-buys.
BODY: { font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif }
Aaaah, if only. That's great for IE, but in NS you need also need style tags for:
...That these kind of systems cannot work. People are making all sorts of comparisons with TV commercials and so forth, which isn't really fair.
The main differences, are interactivity and bandwidth. A first point, is TV ads are full-screen, full-motion, and full-sound. This allows for a much more human-friendly presentation.
Secondly, and most importantly, is interactivity- When an ad comes on TV, you're not missing the TV show... It's not going on without you. But on the web, you could look at the ad, or you could skim down and ignore everything except whatever it is you came to the page for. Billboards don't work online. Something different needs to come about.
TV is a single stream coming to you, but the web isn't. When it's an uninterrupted stream, they can force ads to you, but forced web systems can
allways be hacked, because there's a difference between content you request, and content that's spammed. On tv, you request the whole thing, ads and all by turning it on.
Oh yeah, and plus you'd never see your average joe shmoe reach for his remote if "switch to the channel with the monkey and win $20" came up on the screen!
I have a inspiron 7500... Mega beast.... I can play q3 (not too pretty, tho)... q1 runs swoit tho.
And i love having my lcd (swoit), and my 17" trinitron at the same time...
(There goes the Karma)...
:-)
This is really busted... Sure, there are a lot of _us_ using lynx, but you find me more than 3 newbies who aren't using netscape or explorer?
And the blind thing? Most websites use Alt tags. I don't. I know, I'm a sinner, but most people can see, and it f***s up when all the images have alt tags while they're loading, and I f***ing hate mousovers that popup over my links, that's what the status bar is for.
And the site in question???? I'm sorry, but if my chemist is blind, I'm going to a different chemist. And who else but your chemist or the odd journalist is going to be reading a pharmaceutical (sp?) website?
Phew! Now I've got that off my chest, I'm about to wear a big -1 for not wanting lynx users complaining when my shopping carts don't work
...Strictly speaking there's some rule it violates, but I can't remember. I did however argue that I thought it was with my colledge math teachers for months (before I go onto that 1/infinity must be _equal_ to 0 argument). And they kept proving me wrong.
0 is neither an odd nor an even number. It's just 0.