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Review of the Sony Vaio PCG-X9
Big Steve pointed us to a review of the Sony Vaio X9. It looks quite impressive... I've been using my PCG-Z505SX for like eight months now. Its a great portable, but definitely not a 'Desktop Replacement'. I'm actually posting this because I'm curious what people like these days as a desktop replacement type laptop (preferably with some sort of 3D accelerator so I can play Quake3 on it).
Whoohoo! First Grits!
I'm also considering a purchase for the new PowerBooks. Got a link for the '3D accelerator'? Stick around for MacWorld Tokyo, this Wednesday.
Listen you Moderator bitch, it does have a win98 sticker on it... you put this down while leaving the first grits post?? May you wither and dry up.
why would anyone buy anything else?
1. because I can't get one now.
2. because I haven't used one yet - I can't justify spending $2,000+ on a product that has no track record or user base (yet)
Get a laptop with an ATI Rage mobility. It is the rage 128 moble chipset. Has good DVD support and descent 3D support. I can play most of my games on my Gateway Solo 9300cx. It also has video capture support. I can capture video at 640x480 into MPEG format in realtime. Very nice. I have been using it to move my VHS tapes into VCD format. I hate how badly tapes age.
Crusoe will be slow, that is why they are targeting it at web devices and not laptops. I imagine you'll see PDA's running on Crusoe before you'll see laptops.
plz tell me! i need r00t access by Feb 14th!
You are raising a number of important issues. From what people are saying WAP-enabled mobile devices will be replacing the portable computer. I just don't see it. Sure in certain situations it makes since to have a specialized devices that are internet-ready to check pharmaceutical sales prices, stock prices, etc.
I think the important distinction to be made is which market are we talking about--the consumer or the business market.
Personally, I prefer to buy used computer equipment, that I can upgrade. With laptops, on many makes and models, I can increase the size of the hard drive. Just wish I could increase the processor speed, too.
If I buy this product, will it get me girls?
Ya, they could've at least posted something different. Like some more Jackie Chan pics or soemthing.
NO! Only being NAKED in public and flaunting your penis will attract the females. Just look how well it has worked for NAKED Jackie Chan.
Can you help me get r00t in some girl's box? I'll give you access to my elite gnu warez site.
The Rage Mobility 128 (which is basically a mobile version of the Rage 128 chipset) is gonna be sweet, but ATi is having a lot of trouble getting it out the door. A lot of companies have jumped ship and gone over to S3. As far as I know, only Apple and Dell are still planning on using ATi cards in their new models.
If you need something right now, look for an S3 Mobile Savage. It's a step above the Rage Pro-based cards (Rage LT Pro and Rage Mobility), although it doesn't look like it'll be able to compete once ATi finally gets its act together. If you can hold off for a while, though, wait for the Rage Mobility 128.
I wanna know if Jackie Chan has some exploits to get into girls' boxen?
I have to disagree with CmdrTaco. I purchased a Z505SX and I have almost entirely stopped using my desktop system. It's too damned convenient.
3500 pounds is about equal to US$5600. Jesus, pick up a Wall Street Journal once on a while.
See above.
I can confirm that my Inspiron 3500 (although not he latest and not the top of the line) can handle simultaneously its internal 14'' screen (roughly equivalent to a 16,5" CRT) and an outside monitor.
:-)
Also, I found it very easy to install a double boot with Linux (Suse, Mandrake, I did both) on top of its W98 fat32 partition.
Quake3 I can't say, but Nethack runs nice, even in graphical mode
I generally don't like touchpads, although I actually prefer the 'pad on my Dell Inspiron 7000 to a regular mouse (except for gaming). The Inspiron 3700 and Latitude CPx go one better--they have both a touchpad and a pointing stick, so if you don't like one, you can just use the other. Unlike most of these setups, they also have a second set of buttons that are more accessible if you're using the pointing stick, which is a nice touch.
Dell sells laptops with Red Hat 6.1 preinstalled, which means they'll fully support it. Just watch out for the Winmodem on some models.
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DEAR LORD, just taking about your NAKED penis hsa attracted women.
My Inspiron 7000 has given me over a year of faithful service, dual-booting Slackware and Win98. I went with the 15" screen--crazy. Better than my desktop monitor. =) Since then, Dell's introduced higher-res 15" and 15.4" screens for its new models. The current models are fscking incredible--they're all upgradable to 512MB of RAM and at least 36GB of HD space. (The 7500 can take up to 75GB.)
With the oncoming Crusoe based notebooks why would anyone buy anything else? I would wait for Crusoe powered machines.
1.- Because I'm a power user (Not much sense in slowing down the CPU when I'm rebuilding GCC)
2.- Because Linus supporting them does not imply they'll be any good.
3.- Because the reason I have a laptop is so I can take it with me and *plug it in* wherever I go. I only fly a few times a year, so I don't care that much about battery life.
Of course, If I wanted to have a computer of my wristwatch, it'd probably be something as simple as a crusoe, but we are not quite there yet.
I will not buy any hardware until the microcode in the CPU, the code in the BIOS, etc. are OpenSource.
I don't think that's how it works. Some games, or at least RPGs, aren't mutually exclusive, in that the Sony developers aren't taking away from the masses that buy a FF because they're making a game themselves (which brings up the larger question of whether anyone _can_ take away Square's market share from their FF brand at this point -- they've got huge branding power, and everyone here knows the power of brand...)
As for Sega, the head of the parent company, CSK, has stated that in the future Sega would be focusing on network efforts rather than simply game hardware. The rumor that the Dreamcast is their last console stems from this statement and is completely false:
http://dreamcast.ign.com/news/12062.html
Wouldn't that be more like a joystick?
;-)
Don't worry, there's enought of me to go around
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I used IBM ThinkPad 770X. Has a 1280x1024 screen, very programmer friendly. PS. They dont seem to ship this model any more.
All of the Inspirons are more or less the same product in various sizes. The I3700 has one hot-swappable bay, and you can hook up the FDD externally if you have the Zip, DVD, CD, or CD-R(W) in the bay. The I5000 is pretty much the same, except that there's an internal FDD. The I7500 combines two drives in one bay. They all have the same video and sound hardware, the same ports, the same internal Winmodem... most of the stuff Dell has will work on any model they're selling now and on the 7000. (The 7500 is basically a 7000 with a Pentium III.)
Personally, I'd get a Latitude CPx. It's identical to the Inspiron 3700, except with a more normal case.
the dell inspiron 7000 series is sweet. I got mine last summer and play halflife games over cable all the time, looks sweet, plays sweet. PLUS i only got the PII266, if you get a I7500 you can get it with like a rage pro 8 meg (maybe more these days) and a PII500. They big laptops, but personally i like the feeling of solidity an 8 pounder is, plus since im carrying it around because i love the thing, i dont bitch about weight, like my mother with her 4 pound thinkpad.
Is it me or does the site look like a complete rip off of http://www.winamp.com? At first, I thought Winamp was evaluating the product!
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I would buy a Pismo if it came complete with some meat curtains
Cheap laptop from Taiwan, has Intel chipset, up to 600MHz PIII and 8MB ATI Rage LT video, 14.1 TFT. I have one with a P2 333, works ok, but you will probably need the latest XFree86 for linux and it has a Lucent winmodem. My old Toshiba was more refined, but you can't beat the price of the Mitac, and the 8MB 3D card swung it for me. (I wanted to play with Java3D, but I spend more time with the Games). check out www.mitac.com, I bought mine at www.atic.ca (Vancouver, Canada)
Just check out Sony's site for the U.S. Model. http://www.ita.sel.sony. com/products/pc/notebook/pcgxg9.html
I don't know if you can do this with the NeoMagic card in the 3500, but the Inspirons with the ATi cards (7000, 7500, 3700, 5000) can all do this.
Hate to tell you this, ace, but that Comcrap has a Rage Pro-based card inside. (Comcrap's site doesn't say whether it's a Rage LT Pro or the slightly better Rage Mobility.) Seeing as that was about the only option in notebook 3D until very recently, not surprising.
Oh, and most notebooks do have hibernation features these days, although some work better than others. My notebook supports this in BIOS, so it works under any OS--and the storage area can be created on a separate partition at the end of the disk so I don't have to screw with it when I'm repartitioning the hard drive. It will suspend to disk automagically when the battery has X amount of life left, although not when I hit the power button. (I like the power button to actually control the power, thank you very much.)
If you're going with any laptop you gotta go Powerbook G3 all the way. MacOS X or Linux, on a G3 processor with a decent 3d card, why get a piece of shit X86 machine.
The 1998 model G3 Powerbook gets hot quickly. You can't really use it on your lap because it literally burns you. Besides that fallback, I love the G3 Powerbooks.
Not only that, but he also says that Adobe Premiere 5.1 is for business users and is "a bit like Microsoft Powerpoint". That's like saying a battle tank is "a bit like a car." I'd like to see some PHB trying to put together a presentation on Premiere. This reviewer clearly doesn't know much about desktop video, which the VAIO should be quite good at, with firewire and 18 GB of space.
At the 'fastest' setting you can get 35fps which isn't bad. Many notebooks will soon be using the ATI Mobility 128 chipset which uses a Rage 128 Pro core and will be supported with the drivers being developed by Precision Insight. This will be the first chipset to give you real quality gaming on a laptop. Should be great on those long plane trips.
Just a guess, but some laptops have a function that switches between the lcd and the back port, but can't do both at once. My friend has an IBM Thinkpad that's this way. Haven't tried the VAIO though..
I waiting for the new Pismo powerbooks, but you forgot one other major drawback: one mouse button. Otherwise, the g3 powerbook would unquestionalby be THE linux laptop.
The pismo powerbook g3 (500Mhz!) is currently over a month late because of supply problems with the ATI rage128 mobile. When they finally get that squared away, that'll be the linux laptop from HELL. except for that whole bummer one mouse button thing.
fortunately for us waiting for the ultimate linux laptop, Apple gets first dibs on the 128 mobility chips.
Too bad about the one mouse button thing. *THWAPS* apple.
...is expensive as hell, at least after the first DIMM. Since prices vary, I don't know if this is still true, but my friend was able to save a wad of cash by ordering his 3700 with 32MB (the least you can get) and buying a 256MB SoDIMM from Crucial.
Are there any non-ATI 3D laptop chipsets in the pipeline?
Never been a big fan of ATI and I've decided that my next home computer will be a laptop.
The screens are easy on the eyes, my dreamcast will play QuakeIII in a bit and with my next computer upgrade I'm dumping the whole computer room/den concept.
Laptops are the key to marital bliss:
Mmmm. Warm laptop on my tummy, wife sitting by the fire, buffy on T.V. who could want anything more.....
I love the trackball on my Dell Latitude XPi 166.
The only thing I can figure is that moving-parts == bad hense the trackpad.
However I've had not a single problem with my trackball and I beat on that poor dell....
It's actually a mobile version of the 128 Pro and will be a huge step up from a Rage Pro.
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Since the summary of the article asked for experiences with desktop replacements, I thought I'd share a little bit of my experience with my new Dell Inspiron 7500.
I've only had this machine for about a week now. It is definitely not an ultra-portable machine, weighing in at about 10lbs. Just a couple days ago, I installed Debian (potato) on it. For the most part, it works beautifully. The ATI Rage Mobility graphics card works great with XFree86 3.3.6 (I never imagined 1280x1024x32bpp on a laptop before). Needless to say, I ordered it without the built-in modem, which (I've heard) is a Windows-only software modem. The Xircom Cardbus 10/100 + 56k that is available with the Dell works fine under Linux. The ESS Maestro sound card also works great.
The one not-so-attractive feature is the price tag, at about $4200 (18gb hard drive, 128mb ram, 15.4" screen). OTOH, this is a true desktop replacement, with all the bells and whistles, and every component works perfectly with Linux. Now if that dang CardBus ethernet card would only work with FreeBSD...
I currently have a Dell Inspirion w/ PIII 500, 256 megs ram 2 25GB drives (yep, 50 GIGS!) 15.2" Screen This sucker hauls ass and I can use it as a Server and a desktop all in one for testing! Check it out! -Superdork
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ooooh you're such a zealot. I wish I could care so much about a such useless complaint
Just another reason that you can't trust everything you read on /. <grin>
I don't have one and was basing my comment on the linked thread, in which a Music Clip owner directly contradicts your statement, claiming that he did have to convert his MP3s. I guess he didn't read the manual.
How come you didn't write anything in the Music Clip thread?
Steve M
stupid moron. its idiots like you that encourage trolls. youre a fuckup.
uuh..actually it does it transparently so you cant *see* the AT3 conversion. *do* believe most things on /.
I just got one of these and love it so far, but have not installed linux (yet). I am interested in getting a cdrom for it, and am looking at the sony cd51 unit. I found lots of mentions of the older cdr5 running ok in linux (on various linux on laptops links) but I wonder if the newer one works well. anybody have any experience with it on this machine?
Sony is one of the ringleaders of MPAA, and is trying to stifle your rights to use the data (see the movie) on the DVDs that you bought on the player and platform of your choice.
Sony needs to be boycotted!!!
(Please moderate this way up.)
i use a g3 for just about everything, but have a dell inspiron with the 15 inch xga+ screen running nt. the screen is great. apple certainly got beat to the punch with the fifteen inch screens and with 1500 X 1200 (app.) res., it is great to work on. i haven't had a desktop in years now.
Isn't that gonna make the battery go dead really quick, writing a compact disc?
Is there any kind of device you can attach or put into a Laptop to add 3D acceleration. I'm thinking that you could make a PCMCIA device that operates as a 3D accelerator. I'm not too sure how fast the PCMCIA is but it could be interesting thought. Is it possible? Any ideas?
what the hell is this piece of crap doing in slashdot anyway? does this laptop do something incredibally interesting with Linux? does SOny release some open source driver with this laptop? and thinking that slashdot jsut put on "VAIO" music clip recently, I start to think if slashdot becoming SONY product advertisement agent now... blah...(this is the end of slashdot, I am telleing ya)
nuf said...
virgin day ?!?
I had a Sony PCG-XG9, 2.5MB of video memory, COME ON. I have no Idea what the problem with laptop manufacturers is. 3DFX and NVidia both have mobile chipsets that kick major 3D Ass! but apparently the Gamer market isn't as large as the business market. Those of us who would like to play games on the road are forced to suffer. I just ordered a Dell Inspiron, which has a ATI Mobility-P chipset, its 3D Graphics arn't bad, and you can always Step down the resolution to get better FPS... If your Playing on the road chances are your on a Dialup, and arn't connecected fast enough to compete. Now if you have a Video In on your Laptop, Throw a PSX or dreamcast in your Overnight bag... Cyron
Of course there is, but you will have to pay up:
Siemens Celsius Mobile
I myself is satisfied with my less than 3kg green Siemens 510. And the Sony isn't even twice as fast even though it's 2 years ahead, whatever happened to evolution? Though I have to admit that I have lost track of 3D gaming...
Just curious. Why do you do it?
on an airplane or in most hotel rooms. That's where the laptops shine.
Bah if your trying to play a serious online match then you shouldn't be doing it on a laptop anyways.
Dell has two models with the same setup. The Inspiron 3700 and Latitude CPx have touchpad, pointing stick, and a set of buttons for each.
Yes, it does hw anti-aliasing when you drop the res. Lower resolutions look quite nice--full-screen and no blockiness, unlike some other laptops.
Kernel 2.2.14 has support for the Maestro card in the Inspirons.
Not only are Winmodems cheaper (because they lack hardware), but they're also smaller (because they lack hardware). Small wonder laptop manufacturers love 'em.
Oh, I'm certain the X9 runs Linux just fine. I've been running Linux on my PCG-XG9 for three months now. Only things I don't have working are the Rockwell HCF winmodem, and the IR port. And I think I haven't gotten IR to work only because I misunderstand the IrDA software.
Few months ago I bought a sony VAIO. It's lovely but the bloody Video/Sound Card is a real mess. The manufacturer does not release enough info. So you have no driver unless you reverse-engineer it.
I would recommend a DELL Inspiron. I have one and it has more than replaced my desktop. It has a 3D accelerator. Great Laptop!!!!!
I've been thinking about picking one of those up to replace my aging TI laptop. My TI can only get about 30 minutes out of a fully charged battery at this point, so at least I'll be doubling my battery life. (:
Link: PCG-N505VE VAIO 505 SuperSlim Notebook
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I have an XG9, and am actually pretty happy with it though I could've waited a month and picked up a better spec'ed F390 instead...
My DVD drive appears to have died on my XG9 too, though its probably a driver problem, I haven't had a chance to fix it.
Dunno about Linux compatability though...
; -- the corruption of government starts with its secrets. a truly free people keep no secrets. --
Look at the price/performance. The Vaio reviewed has a MSRP of $3299 - And obliterates a $3500 Dell even when the Dell has an educational discount.
If Sony sold to educational markets, selling laptops in the Cornell campus store would be a lot easier...
retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
I love my vaio 505ex, it's a beautifull machine, and it works great with linux. On the other hand, I do not like it's battery life of 45 minutes. Does anyone know where to get a port replicator for my vaio? And has anyone got the irda working with linux?
Vaio owners probably know the feeling when they get out their vaio in public, and watch the envious looks of the people around you...
I'm bored of Quake, so I don't care to run Quake on my laptop. As long as Apache, MySQL, GNOME, Netscape, sendmail, modem and WaveLAN are working I'm happy.
I was really unhappy with the VAIOs due the Winmodem nonsense and inconsistent chipsets. Really annoying.
There are only two manufacturers that put adequate emphasis on good keyboards: IBM and Compaq. IBM has the TrackPoint; Compaq has a touchpad.
IBM wins.
I bought a 765D refurbished, and my wife still uses it. (P133? who cares, it's 1024x768.) My employer bought me a 570. YUM.
Granted it's a pain not to be able to use the built-in modem. But 56K PCMCIA modems are plentiful. Don't let details like that stop you from considering the parts of the hardware that you actually touch and manipulate.
That is, the i3700 has the touch pad AND the eraserhead track-stick-whatever you call it. Plus it is smaller, lighter, and a bit easier to carry around.
Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.
- W. Wriston, former Citibank CEO
Did you buy all the memory from Dell?
;-)
I got the 466 Celery version, wanna race?!?!
Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.
- W. Wriston, former Citibank CEO
My i3700 is working like a charm with 128MB of ram and a 12GB drive. For more disk space, you can pull out the dvd/cdrom and plug in another drive(aka mp3 space) which is what I usually do. It's worth the price just to have a portable music jukebox. Just fire up xmms, load the playlist, punch the shuffle/random and walk away, the music will play all day. The sound over headphones or plugged into the aux of a stereo is wonderful.
With just the 12G drive I have stuffed 70+ CDs in there with 4G left over for work. The extra drive gets plugged in when I'm heading over to a friends' for a party or whatever...
I'm starting to get tired of booting back and forth between w98 and RH depending on which project I have to deal with, but vmware is looking better all the time. As soon as I have a chance to wipe my drives, repartition and re-install, it's going to be there to run the w98 stuff.
Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.
- W. Wriston, former Citibank CEO
There are more practical reasons to never buy from Sony. I have a PCG-838. When it works, it's a wonderful machine. When it doesn't, which is fairly often, my life is hell because Sony support is complete crap.
My laptop broke twice in the first six months. The second time, it took me three months and $200 to get it fixed, even though they agreed the problem was covered by the warranty. My warranty expires in three more months, and I expect that my machine will break again soon. Sony apparently expects that too, since they give one year warranties, even though three years seems to be common with other companies. Once the warranty is up, I'll be completely screwed. I know other PCG owners who have had similar problems.
If you want to buy a list of specs, it's a great deal. Sony laptops give you more for your money than other brands, unless you value having a working machine.
I've got a Dell Inspiron 7000 -- it's great. It really is a desktop replacement. I've got the 14" screen, which is bigger than a 15" monitor, but is more like a 17" monitor, since it sits closer to you. Their customer service was great too -- the machine arrived ealier than promised, and they reimbursed me for the WinModem that they told me was not a WinModem. (All the non-PCMCIA modems are WinModems, despite what the sales people say.) I've got my system dual-booting 98 and Red Hat. Take a look at the Inspiron 7500 and 3700. The amount of hard drive and memory you can put in them is unbelievable. A tip: if you're going to be flying a lot, get a DVD -- otherwise don't.
Software sucks. Open Source sucks less.
What I would really like to see as a standard feature these days, on any computer but especially laptops in this range, is /ethernet/.
I really don't understand why a 3D accelerator is considered more esential than networking.
And I don't think a simple 10/100 Mbit implementation would make the thing much more power hungry or expensive or bigger or whatever.
I am now using a Sharp Mebius PC-PJ2-X4 (that's at least the name it sold under in Japan) and I love the machine. The LCD screen is even better than Sony's. Video, Sound, APM, etc all works with Linux - only the winmodem is annoying. With a 333MHz PII, 128MB, 12GB disk, and an XVGA screen, the machine has enough resources for serious hacking. Furthermore, Sharp provides a 1 year international warranty on machines bought in Japan, but used outside of Japan (doesn't cover all countries). Currently, the only Japanese laptop companies with that service are Sharp and Toshiba.
Chilli
[1] The major problems where that the new machines (eg, PCG-N505 series) use winmodems, problematic sound chips (and Sony doesn't specify which they are using), and USB for external mouse and floppy (the latter is a problem for the B5 machines that have no builtin floppy).
-=- Just a random lambda hacker
I had a trackball in my old Dell 486/33 laptop, and it was a constant source of problems -- it would respond poorly to motion and slip constantly. Also, the ball was so small that it took multiple strokes to cross the screen.
My current laptop is a Toshiba 610CT with a trackpoint (the eraser head) which I like a lot. What would be perfect, IMHO, is a trackball using the "marble" technology from Logitech that provides slip free tracking by using a visual scanner. All of my desktops have Trackman Marble FX's and I love them for it.
Get a laptop with a rage pro card (they really suck but you can play quake3 on them in crappy graphics settings with utah-glx).
How come laptops don't have trackerballs any more? IMHO the scratch-pad is pretty much the worst pointing device you could devise. I heard that trackerballs were too expensive, but that can't be a reason on a 3.5k pound machine like this.
-- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
Are you sure?
On nearly all laptops you can use an external monitor at the same time as the LCD - but only with the same image. I think the author was clearly talking about two separate images; i.e. a large desktop.
If there's a way, could you fill us in? I'm a happy 3500 owner who would really love to take advantage of this 21" currently connected to my unix box...
I'm really digging this laptop. Got mandrake 7.0 up at linux expo and thought i'd try it out - quite nice on this laptop. Only a couple problems. The modem is a winmodem, so I'll have to replace that. For some reason, when I connect a monitor to it x won't display on the second monitor. Anyone know why this is? Haven't really started looking into why yet. Had to run sndconfig to get sound up - the soundconfig utility that comes with mandrake didn't pick up on the neomagic. Otherwise, it's great. Oh, there is one more thing - the thing has 2 pixels that are always red. Called sony and they say that's standard and wouldn't do an exchange for less than 10 percent of the display being hosed! Not really a big deal. This is the first time I've had a dual boot machine, so I've been messing with wine - very hip. This model has a dvd, so I guess I'll start nosing around for dvd on linux stuff. anyone got any clues? i saw there was a booth at expo in .org pavillion, but never really got a chance to talk to those people.
I purchased a Dell Inspiron 7000 almost a year ago. This machine totally rocks. It's a bit heavy (10.4 lbs.), but it's worth it to me.
The video card rocks. I has a ATI Rage Pro LT with DVD support and TV out. It supports three screens - three separate images on three separate screens. I can drive the lcd, a monitor, and a tv at the same time. Currently I have the lcd and a 17" monitor both kickin... it rocks. Quake and Need For Speed run nicely. The lcd is great... when it drops to 640x480 (or other resolutions - for games and whatnot) it anti-aliases the image (hardware) and shows it full screen... as opposed to just shrinking the image down (as some laptops do)
Since it's a big boy, it holds big batteries! When I put both batteries in that machine, I can get about 6 hours of work time... not bad! I've also recenlty found an app that will allow me to hot-swap my options-bay... I can pop out my dvd/floppy and put in my zip drive. This is a very nice feature
I've been looking at the new Inspiron 7500. They look even better (of course). Faster CPUs and stuff (duh)... but it also has options for an internal cd-rw and many more cool features. If I'm not mistaken, I also remember hearing about Dell shipping these beasts with Linux pre-installed. That'd be cool, although installing on this machine was a breeze... there's tons on info online too!
To sum it up. It's big, it's heavy, but it kicks ass!
-whyDNA?
I'd like to strongly say the exact opposite. The trackpoint "eraser head" pointers are the worst pointers I've ever used. I love the trackpad on my Sharp Ultralight - it even emulates a wheel if you move your finger up and down the right hand side...
If I want smooth, detailed 3D stuff I have a Sony Playstation on top of my TV (with a pair of IR remote controls).
As it happens, I'm probably going to be considering a Sony sub-notebook or a Toshiba Libretto for my next primary PC. We'll see how my TRGpro performs when it arrives next month...
Is there such an animal? A 3D accelerator in laptop would very cool.
With the oncoming Crusoe based notebooks why would anyone buy anything else? I would wait for Crusoe powered machines.
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DrWatt
You left out this /. story obout the Sony Music Clip MP3 player that doesn't play MP3s.
SteveM
Just another reason that you can't trust everything you read on /.
I don't have one and was basing my comment on the linked thread, in which a Music Clip owner directly contradicts your statement, claiming that he did have to convert his MP3s. I guess he didn't read the manual.
How come you didn't write anything in the Music Clip thread?
Steve M
Sony won't release an MP3 player because that could conceivably hurt it's music division.
Sony has released a digital music player, the Music Clip, which apparently can play MP3s, according to this post.
Sony's Playstation division has released in Japan and will release in the US this year a game console that plays DVDs, which will take sales from their video division.
This shows how Sony's interest is not the consumer's interest.
The only time that the consumer's interests and any corporation's interests overlap is when it is profitable for the corporation. This is as true for Sony as it is for any corporation.
SteveM
1) No, I DIDN'T repost this. Someone else did.
2) Since I did accidently originally post it under my name, you damn well KNOW that it doesn't belong to you, and I DON'T want you (re)posting it again.
3) I already admitted that it was a failed attempt at humour. It's not lame enough or 3117 enough for your posts anyways.
Great..now I've given them something ELSE to flood slashdot with. *sigh*
I've used/supported/configured/etc many of the ultra light (~1 inch thick, ~3pounds) Dell laptops at work and otherwise (e.g. Lattitude LS, Lattitude LT, etc.), and they're all very nice. While I doubt any of them have 3d acceleration as of yet, most people who buy those kind of laptops don't use them for 3d video games. Though I'd love to see a gfx card in an ultra light machine that can at least par, say, Voodoo2. =)
I have a VAIO PCG-F390, and it has support for dual monitors. I haven't figured out how to make it work under Linux, but it certainly does under Windows.
You can also do cool stuff like map the second monitor to the video out (NTSC or PAL).
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Sony anymore, not because of media fiascos like the DVD crap but because the VAIO I owned caused me nothing but trouble. It was a VAIo desktop, not notebook but they's the same company. The specs could be a desktop replacement but I'd like to see it work for a few hours first. The Sonys I do think are cool are the subnotebooks which are pretty decently priced at 1499$ IMHO.
I'm a loner Dottie, a Rebel.
Realize though that where I work I was informed that they woudl not support a windows machine that was not rebooted daily, nor do they support any applications that were not installed on the machine by them. Unfortuanately where I work I sometimes need to install software like Exceeed to connect to all or UNIX systems, and often other software to make my life easier. I'd install Linux if I di dnot have to use IE 5 at times.
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Sony is an almost prototype corp. of what most sci fi authors write about. (ie Snow Crash)
I don't think there is anything to do about it... it would be silly not to buy the best product for you because of the company it came from. Any company person is really no better (ethically, etc) than another.
yepper. i have the 7500 and you can have two separate screens. my second screen is a 21" at 1280x1024 or so which is independant of the lcd.
it also has a 3d graphics card but while it works, its not the best way to go for 3d.
not to mention it weighs as much as a volkswagon.
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I absolutely love my VAIO N505VE. It's the cheaper model that's out with the Celeron 333. But, it's super-light like the Z505 and others, and it really has all the features you'd want in a mobile.
-10.4" TFT
-64M RAM stock
-6G HDD
-Celeron 333
-1 PCMCIA
-1xUSB and Firewire on the laptop
About the only bad thing I can think of is the Winmodem. But it's a Rockwell so we might get support.
And the kicer, it's $1500.
I should mention that I'm posting this on the VAIO, running Linux, in bed, with my head seg faulted and core dumped.
About a year ago I bought a Chembook 7000C - I think it's a rebadged Acer 8400. It cost me $2K. It has 128 MB RAM, a 8 gig hard disk, 15" screen, and a 400 MHz Deceleron, and the ATI LT Pro video. It's totally modular - you can swap out everything. What I really liked about it is that I was able to get it without ANY OS - not easy to do for a laptop, and saved me $100. It's got a touchpad which is ok I guess - there aren't any laptop pointing devices that I like. More of a problem is the lack of a third mouse button. Somebody should write a utility to convert the windows button to a third mouse button.
Since I do a lot of numerical work I love the separate numerical keypad. Few laptops have these.
The only problem I had with it is that the BIOS is a little weird - it seems to INSIST on having a DOS partition before it will boot. Once I created a small one I was able to use LILO, and everything else has worked out great. Both the video and sound are supported, and I love the huge screen - it is a REAL desktop replacement.
Given the size of this beast, it isn't light - maybe 9 lbs. and battery life is about 2.5 hrs. But that isn't the point for me - I am not a road warrior.
Next on my agenda is wireless networking so I can hack away in my leather lazy boy without running cat 5 through the living room - someething that would get my wife very PO'ed.
I have owned a Dell Inspiron 7000 for well over a year now and I have nothing (that) bad to say about it.
Rage Pro LT (with D3D and OpenGL support; and dual monitor, video-out support)
The new 7500 can carry 75gigs. That right. 3 25gig harddrives ( one internal, 1 in each of the two bays--- which means no battery at the time).
The 14.1 inch LCD is beautiful. The 15" ones seem like overkill, but the new higher res screens may change your mind.
Great service ( I had a CDdrive burn out and they sent a replacement within 2 days ).
But the seller is: You can run Linux on it. Dell appears to be providing Linux support on this machine. (ahem).. only the new 7500, not the older 7000's. (major minus in my book) Better watch your back, a year later and they stop providing updates for your machine.
Only complaints are: Internal modem is a winmodem. Gotta hate those touchpads... only 1 USB port. The weight. This thing weighs in at a hefty 9.5 pounds (w/o accessories).
A second option is Dell's Inspiron 3700. More or less the same product, shrunk. Bad news: You can't play Half-life or Q3 too long because the video card gets too hot. You'll start to see artifacts on the screen. There are some other quirks in this system too. I don't think I'd buy one of these machines. It may weigh less, but to me, it looks like a toilet seat cover.
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Jeez, then you best be getting a Powerbook, or holding out for Apple's new "Pismo" line, which should be out soon. Rumor has is that they will have the ATI Rage 128 mobile chip (which is also rumored to be holding up the line's production), which is gonna be about the best you'll find available in a portable. The current line only has a Rage Pro, which is the bare minimum required to run Q3A without all the "pretties" turned on...
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Of course, I'm sure you'll be finding Rob using a PB about the same time Hemos picks up his iBook, but...
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Don't blame the games, it takes a village to screw up a child.
I have a inspiron 7500... Mega beast.... I can play q3 (not too pretty, tho)... q1 runs swoit tho.
And i love having my lcd (swoit), and my 17" trinitron at the same time...
Send lawyers, guns, and money!
I've replaced my desktop with one of the new Powerbooks from Apple and monitor spanning "just happens" as soon as you plug in an external monitor (VGA or USB). Does Linux support monitor spanning? If so, you might look into LinuxPPC on a Powerbook. Check out what it's got built-in: 10/100T Ethernet, SCSI, dual USB ports, VGA out, sound in, sound out, S-Video out, and DVD on the 400mHz models (DeCSS might come in handy here...).. And there's a PCI slot to boot!
Mind you, Quake doesn't look that hot on the mobile ATI Rage Pro, but I prefer my couch and a Playstation for videogames anyway so it doesn't bother me that much. I bought it to do work on, and since then I've never missed my hulking desktop computer, especially since I can bring it onto jobs w/me when the need arises...
Drawbacks: I feel the the keyboard is a bit mushy. And if you're developing Win software, this is all moot...
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Agreed - for those who can't be bothered to work it out, $3300 ~ £2060. This is for the X[G]9 - for the X[G]19, an even nicer laptop from Sony with CD-RW drive as standard, priced at $4000 on the US website, the equivalent price is about £2500, significantly less than the cost of the X[G]9 in the UK. The X[G]18 and X[G]19 are not even avaliable in the UK, or the rest of Europe for that matter according Sony Europe's website.
Given V.A.T. (Europe-wide sales tax) at 17.5%, the money the seller of a £3600 machine would get would be £3060. This means that this Sony laptop costs £1000 ~ $1600 to ship the machine from the US to the UK; to 'ship' an adult person here and back by air costs about half this.
Extortionate? Certainly. Why? Because Sony, and the computer market generally, is allowed. Or rather, the US authorities have the sense to encourage competition, not excessive pricing.
James F.
Sony has proven time and again that they contrary to the people's interest. The term "Business is war" is a universal Japanese philosophy, the problem is that Sony takes the consumer hostage.
I'm certainly not a corporate basher, I don't believe in the multinational boogie man. However Sony is different from most corporations for two reasons;
Sony isn't run like any other multinational corporation. While most conglomerates operate and finance (essentially govern) a number of child companies Sony operates as a single entity. Sony's goal isn't to provide maximum returns to shareholders. Sony's goal is to win the world. Sony isn't just a brand, it's an entity, this makes it unique.
Sony's enormously diversified, It's trying to provide everything to everyone. This means that it won't do any one thing as another company in that particular industry would. For example; Sony won't release an MP3 player because that could conceivably hurt it's music division. This shows how Sony's interest is not the consumer's interest.
Yes, I know Sony released the Music Clip, that's why I brought up the MP3 example. This device employs very intrusive measures in an attempt to prevent the copying of CDs. See a MusicClip review for more info.
My point (which is demonstrated by the example) is that because Sony is so diversified through multiple industries and service sectors and because it's so focused on domination, it acts in ways it's competitors would not. In this case a smaller competitor producing an digital music player would solely concentrate on producing the best player it could that directly reflects the consumer's desires. Conversely Sony will produce a player that ensures that it's music division isn't threatened.
Finally, it is my understanding that the Music Clip doesn't play MP3's, the desktop software will however transparently translate an MP3 into it's own proprietary format, a process which degrades the audio quality. There appears to be some debate on this matter however.
Also please keep in mind that this is just one example, run a Slashdot search on Sony for many more.
Couple of corrections..
1. Sony does compete with other game cos. It's called 989 studio, but now being merged into SCEA (Sony Computer Entertainment of America).
2. Sega is working on their next console. Apparently they changed their minds after seen the dreamcast sales numbers.
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Bad Points:
-Lack of a 3D card
Also, earlier in the article, the author states, "One of the problems, to me, is the lack of a video card which supports 3D instructions (one of the main draw back with most laptops). This has sadly stopped me from playing Quake 3..." So posting a review of this particlular model on Slashdot because you're looking for 3D seems pretty pointless.
I just recently got a cool blue Dell Inspiron 3700 PIII 450mhz 256MB RAM, 12Gig Hard Drive, DVD-ROM Drive. It has turned out to be a great system for games. I play Mechwarrior 3, Quake 3, and Starfleet Command on it all the time. I also purchased a USB Dual-Strike Joy stick (Microsoft can't make a decent OS, but they have some pretty good joysticks), this stick makes playing quake a total blast. I can also use the s-video out jack and play quake through the TV, or a DVD for that matter. It's quite a steal at $3200.00
-Praxxis
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I have not seen this issue, and I have played Q3 on it for over 8 hours solid. However I did have a problem with my sound card when I first got the laptop, but Dell support fixed the problem the next day.
-Praxxis
I just picked up an IBM Thinkpad i-Series as my desktop replacement while I'm on the go. It is rather large, but a great value for the price. I also looked at the various Sony and Toshiba machines and they were all at least $1000 more for a comparible machine.
:-( Anything more and the frame rate sucks. But if you can do without your games, I would highly recommend it. It will just force me to get more work done ;-)
My priorities are slightly different than most peoples, I need screen real-estate and memory more than anything for programming. The IBM has a 14.1" display and runs at 1024x768 at 16 million colours. This makes it great to work on. Plus it has a DVD player and an S-video out so I can watch DVD's on my TV now!
The only thing it is lacking is 3D acceleration. I can only run half-life at 320x240 or something like that
I've been looking for a desktop replacement (I'll be going fully portable soon), and I finally settled on the Compaq Presario 1830.
:) 15" TFT screen, which is very very nice. I haven't tried much full-motion stuff on it, but at least for day-to-day stuff, it looks awesome.
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It can't really be compared to sub-notebooks like the Sony Vaio. This thing is a FULL-size notebook. However, I'll never need to use external floppies, external CD-ROM drives, external modems, port-replicators, or anything else. Only thing it was lacking was an ethernet card -- popped in a Linksys PCMPC100 and everything's happy.
This baby is loaded, for one thing... PIII 450, which puts my current workstation to shame, 64meg RAM. The 6gig disk is a little on the skimpy side if you're doing disk-intensive stuff, but I'm pretty happy with it. RIVA TNT card, I believe. I haven't tried getting it working under Linux, but it should be possible. I would have preferred a Voodoo 3, but hey.
It has every port you might need on the back, including serial, RGB monitor out, TV out, parallel port, and PS/2 port. Headphone out, mic in, and modem jack on the right side. You can add a port replicator, but I think it's only for adding an extra serial port.
Battery life is quite decent compared to the Vaios, at a little over 3 hours. It has a touchpad, which I was a little wary of. After trying the other pointing devices available, though, I decided to try it out. I'm very happy with it. Maybe not suitable for playing Quake 3, but that's what the PS/2 port is for.
And, most importantly, Linux installed on it flawlessly. Mandrake's current installer even has support for a network install using PCMCIA network cards. (wow!)
One of the nicest built-in features is hibernation. I don't know if all laptops these days support it, but this one handles it very nicely. Hitting the power button (or running out of batteries) while it's on causes it to save the entire RAM state to disk, then power down completely. Powering back up brings everything back where it was. Remarkably, this actually works with Linux. All I have to do is ifdown and ifup the ethernet interface to get it back, and reload the sound drivers. This can all be automated using apmd. Only complication with using hibernation is that you have to leave a minimally-sized DOS partition with the hibernation executable on it. Not a problem at all, really.
All in all, I'm extremely happy with this purchase. It was around $3k at Fry's Electronics, which had a 15-day no-questions-asked return policy. Very nice of them, but I didn't need it.
Anyway... feel free to ask if you have questions about it. I highly recommend it as a full-blown desktop replacement. Maybe not as a super-portable, but it's not too shabby for that either.
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I'm sad to say I have yet to find a desktop replacement to replace my current one, a Toshiba Tecra 780dvd. (Yes, the Thinkpad 770d is a titch better, but not enough to justify an upgrade.) While there are many excellent notebooks out there, there don't seem to be any coming out that are as full featured as I would like to see.
What are the features that matter to me?
Okay, that seems like a lot. On the other hand, there are a number of things that don't really matter to me.
If anyone has any thoughts, I'd love to hear them.
It just came in today and I've just finished installing linux (rh6.1). Not a single problem thanks to others who have done it on similar models.
This is my first portable system and I'm quite happy with it. I've never really been interested in portables since to me, the compromises were just too great. Sure, there are the so called desktop replacements but these things are just too damned heavy. For me, anything over 4lbs travel weight is *not* portable.
Good:
- lightweight (3.5lbs)
- thin (1"")
- decent screen size
Bad:
- integrated modem is of the winmodem variety (ugh!) Are winmodems cheaper? Is that why oems don't put in a real modem? Bottom line is I had to fork over more cash for a 3com pc card modem.
- integrated ethernet requires a dongle (one more thing to lose)
- battery life is kind of crappy (a little over an hour with power management). There's a 4 hour battery available but it's $399!!
Finally, I got a Zoom backpack from Spire instead of the traditional briefcase type bags. Very cool and practical.
Now, I need to save up for an Aibo...
Well not quite true - read this recent press release desribing the 3D hardware being used in the latest VAIO laptop ....
Umm... given that I have a Sony Music Clip MP3 Player and given that i'm listening to a random selection of my mp3's right now i think you're a little bit in the error there...
The Sony Music Jukebox software allows you to import mp3s into it WITHOUT downcoding it to ATRAC3... its been working fine for me so far..
I just got to vote with my dollars. I wanted a small notebook, and I was considering one of the various Vaio *505*s or the IBM Thinkpad 240.
Well, I figured while Sony was part of an orginization trying to jail hacker kids, IBM was busy porting Linux to their 390.
So, I went with the IBM, installed SuSE Linux, and I am happy. Saved a few hundred $ too!
I'm writing this on a VAIO laptio I bought in Japan last year; however, I will never buy another product from Sony.
;-) I'm serious though, consider how your money is being spent!
Just a few days ago, we had news on Slashdot about Sony's attempts to squash Connectix. A while back, there was the story about Sony's dirty tricks in it's suit against Bleem - including trying to retrieve a list of all Bleem's customers.
And, please don't forget the whole mess with the DVDCCA and MPAA suits against DeCSS. Sony is one of, perhaps the most, powerful of the Hollywood studios - and their plans for the future are not something you want to be a part of.
On the business practice side, Sony acts like a yakuza company - they make Microsoft look good. And in spite of the fact that the PS2 uses Linux as is development environment, the PS platform is so closed it makes Windows look like Open Source Software. (To publish a game on the PS, Sony must approve your software, you must pay a per/sale royalty, and those profits are used by Sony to fund your competitors - Sony's inhouse game developers)
There was a time, when Morita was running the place and Sony was fighting for consumer choice and the right to own a VCR, that Sony was an upstanding corporate citizen. That is not the case now. Sony makes some fine consumer electronics, but realize who you are giving your money to. Your cash is your vote - take it to another company.
Besides, there's no 3d accelerator on any Sony laptops.
So it has an 18 gig hard drive. And firewire and DVD. Otherwise, it's not something I'd fancy.
:)
I'll get an Acer Travelmate 340T sometime soon. The price tag (assuming a UK pound is about ten Finnish marks) is well below half of that of the VAIO in question, it weighs only 1.8 kilograms with the CD/floppy unit detached, it has a PIII at 450 MHz, 128 MB mem (64 in the default configuration) and a big enough 6 gig hard drive. There's also a DVD drive available, but I think it'll be more useful to get one for the desktop machine and use a decoder card for good TV output.
There's also a Lucent modem (can be used under Linux) and a Linux-compatible RJ45 network interface, though I'm going to primarily use a 3Com 589 PCMCIA card, since I have a combo connector for it (I and a couple of my friends and the people I work for have 10base2 networks, so this makes sense).
On the other hand, the Acer is so much smaller than the VAIO, that it makes sense that I can get two of them for the price of the Sony
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One neat thing about it that Compaq neglects to mention on their web site and would have got me all hot and bothered for it is that it comes with integrated ethernet. No PCMCIA needed for ethernet.
There's a couple gotchas with the ethernet though. It uses some variant of the DEC Tulip chip in which the ethernet chip eeprom gets reprogrammed by windows. If you do a soft reboot from windows into Linux or BeOS, then ethernet won't work. If you power down from windows then power back up into BeOS or Linux it will work fine.
Another problem is that you need to wait until the system has come up to attach the 10baseT cable (it's a 10/100 chip).
The machine is a 450 MHz pentium III with 128 MB of ram. A pentium III is significant for laptops because pentium II laptops run the system bus at 66 MHz; pentium III laptops with the coppermine chip run at 100 MHz.
I gave my desktop PC to my fiance and now use my compaq laptop for all my consulting work - software development, server work on linux, gui stuff on windows and BeOS. I vastly prefer using a laptop to a desktop PC for my daily work. I can sit on the couch or the easy chair and I don't have to stay in one place all day. Also I like the active matrix LCD screens, I think they're easier on the eyes than vacuum tube phosphors.
I have a web page that addresses my laptop briefly at http://www.goingware.com/laptop
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Slightly off topic but It really pisses me of that this PC is £3500 in Britain and only $3299 in the USA. When will other countries actually start getting a good deal on gear?
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I have the sony XG9. Many evil things are said about sony but this is about the XG9 so I will only talk about the XG9. I removed win98 and installed Redhat 6.1 and VMware running windows NT 4.0 I purchased the cdrw and I have had it running for over a month now without powerdown, because it is my "desktop" for work, however on occasion I must travel to my parent company and so they purchased this machine for that purpose. I must say that my friends who have dells and ibms always comment about how "cool" the sony is and how bright the screen looks. I think that the "glass" over the LCD is really sharp as well. I have no complaints at all I can and do use the modem, the dvd (not for playing movies under linux) however I tried it before I trashed win98 and it look ok until I purchased a dvd for my big screen and saw the difference. I user the cdrw to burn cds with cdrecord both audio and data. I do have a habbit of touching the mouse pad when typing and it is quite anoying. I have the dual battery when on the road and easily get 10 hours out of linux. I want to get sound working, however I am going to install Mandrake 7.0 after I burn a backup of what is here so that I get the pentium speed bump and the use of the usb mouse. I also thought it would be nice to bump to 256mb so I can run more VMware boxes. NT is required by my job so they had to get me a machine I could run my os on and thier os on and at the time it seemed that between the drive space and the memory capacity and the cpu speed that this was a clear winner esp with the built in cdrw as I can fedex my work via burns to my employer. I have now seen that the XG19 with a speedstep 650 and that kind of pisses me off only one month after I got this one. I also see features that are in other books of this price desktop replacement features that are very nice as well, sometimes I wish I had waited to get this box, but I aint complaining either it is always a head turner...
I really look forward to get a transmeta cpu powered portable with a gig of ram and a week of battery life that has wireless internet under 3 pounds. Hopefully I didn't purchase to soon.
I'm a Macintosh Guy, so my opinions are biased in that direction. However, ever since the PowerBook 3400, Apple's PowerBooks have made great desktop replacements. I've owned three different PowerBooks, starting with a PB 5300, then a 3400 and eventually a 1998 model G3 (292 Mhz with DVD). Of the three that I have owned, the 1998 Model was the best. It had pretty much everything that a desktop machine has, except for good hardware 3D acceleration and the ability to change monitor resolutions. That machine has a 14.1" display that has a viewable area that seems larger than an iMac's and is not much smaller than the viewable area on my 17" Studio Display. Of course, it lacked internal PCI expandability... but there is a company that sells an external box that will allow you to install a PCI card and connect the box to the PowerBook via the PC card slot. I do not know how well it works but at least it exists.
:)
For my needs, I think that a Desktop replacement should include:
a big display (14"), crisp and clear
minimum of 64 meg ram and expandability to at least 512 meg
8-10 gig hard drive minimum
ethernet
built-in modem
DVD
video out
USB/firewire ports
That pretty much meets my needs, of course, your mileage my vary
You are definitely right about dual monitors, I've got two on my G3 and it's fantastic.
Some of the older PowerBooks had the ability to run dual monitors built in (ie. the 5300). I think that all or at least most of the newer models only support video mirroring, unless you use a PC card.
After reading this "review" I can't help but wonder if this guy had used any laptop made in the past 5 years. His amazement with the hotswapable bay is silly, as this is nothing new.
In fact, I wouldn't even consider this a geek review. Just some guy with a new laptop on a plane.
And to top it off...no mention of the laptop running alternative OS's...that's the first thing I would have done.
-- mikeDOTd
Another Sony laptop, a european-only model from what I gathered. I have been using it for over a month now, and am quite happy. P///500, 128Mb RAM, 12G HDD, and 15" TFT display. Really nice. I run RedHat 6.1, with the latest XFree (for the NeoMagic chip), as well as Windows for DVD replay.
Now for the cons: the video chip sucks (Quake 2 in software rendering runs ok, alien vs predator won't even start), so forget about 3D games. And linux still has no support for the sound chip (Yamaha, I forgot the reference), and SB compatibility is crappy.
As a workstation however (this is what I bough the computer for anyway), it is great. Crisp display, lotta RAM & HDD so I can really travel with everything I need, and fast processor.
The DVD is zoned hard, and this is a problem for frequent travellers like me, but nothing new. The hardware DVD playback is very good, and the video output is really nice for the purpose of watching a movie on a biger screen.
Ah, the modem I got is a *$%#@ CardBus modem from a french company, and is about as useful as the plastic insert that protects the PCMCIA slots, even in windows (never managed to get a 56K connection once while my USR 56K gets one evey time.
Overall, a good machine, but still wanting.
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i have a compaq 1931 problems i have with it: 1. doesn't have a tv out even tho it has a dvd drive 2. does dual monitor output, but doesn't show video on the output monitor in this mode. 3. no *freaking* IR port. i mean, how basic is this? has to get an external one for my 8210 and palm. other than that it is a beautiful machine.
BTW: I recently added voice recognition software to make up for the terrible keyboard. Now if I could program voice activated macros for launching applications...
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I agree whole-heartedly. I second ever word in your post. I will continue to avoid Sony products whenever possible and urge all my friends to do the same. Especially that stupid memory stick.
In my job, I use many different laptops and the best pointing device by far, IMHO, is the thinkpad trackpoint. The worst is the scratchpad.
The photos were horrific. Total bush-league.
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I'm sure that all of these companies which are now cash-heavy from IPOs can arrange to get hardware support for these chips, or to get the laptop vendors to use chips which are documented and supported. Let's hope they do so.
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So now Slashdot has turned into Computer Shopper, uh ?
It'd be ok if this laptop had an a new and outstanding technology. But, c'mon ! Face it ! It's just another laptop, a good one, but nothing new.
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I realize that the primary purchase factor when buying any computer is whether it will adequately support Quake. One must have one's priorities.
If you have to make a living in order to support your Quake-playing habits you can indeed use a notebook as a desktop replacement. I've used notebooks exclusively since 1994--first in a high-end Compaq docking station, but lately I've just used a port replicator to simplify making connections in my office. If I'm at a client's or on a plane I have everything I need right in my hands. I don't have to mess with reconciling two systems, I don't have to keep track of what files are where--wherever I am, my computer is there.
It is new notebook time, and I'm intrigued by the VAIO. They look good--very good. But looks don't matter--I make my living with my notebook (I run a small software development firm) and I want the best possible tool. My big disappointment with my present notebook is that it does not support multiple monitors--once you have programmed with source code on one (or more!) monitor(s) and the running application on another, you simply don't want to go back to doing it any other way. I am told that Dell notebooks support multiple monitors, and I'm intrigued. I'm a bit disappointed that this review doesn't touch on the question.
Writing the review while in-flight is a nice touch--but I wish the writer had mentioned whether the VAIO came with the necessaries for connecting to the onboard power supplies now common on many airlines. You simply cannot board the plane with enough batteries for the flight from Chicago to Tokyo--so any reasonable notebook has to be able to simply connect to the onboard systems.
And, perhaps most importantly of all, I wish he'd written about the tactile feel of the keyboard. My most recent notebook has been a WinBook--a very nice notebook, but the keyboard is a bit soft. I like it--but I don't have the love I still feel for original 14-lb. IBM 101 key keyboards. Big, heavy, clunky--but absolutely splendid keyboards. I wish more reviews gave more information about that--it would help so much in making a purchase decision.
See (in Japanese I'm afraid): here.
I bought the Z505JX a few months ago, which has "only" a PII400. I am very, very pleased with it --- nice screen (12.1 inch, 1024*768), pretty big keyboard considering the overall size, 8GB disk, plug-in CD-R drive, built in modem and ethernet, firewire, etc. And not that expensive really (about 350,000 yen for everything). Don't know when they're going to bring these out in other countries though.
And it runs Linux with no problems too. The disk was even prepartitioned so I didn't have to screw around with the Windows installation (which comes with some nice digital video software).
My first desktop replacement was a sager 200mmx. Sager's laptops are cheap in both senses of the word. It was a fairly decent laptop except that I had to replace the battery twice in 2 years, and the FN key went out on it. I just recently replaced it with a dell cpt celeron466. The linux drivers for the inspiron work fine in the laptop, so i had sound and X both working in minutes. One nice feature of this laptop is the presence of both a touchpad and a stick pointer. It still only has 2 mouse buttons, but you'll be hard pressed to find one with 3.
What I use for my desktop/laptop is a Powerbook G3. It has, according to Apple, an ATI RAGE LT Pro video controller for 2d/3d support. I like it as both a desktop and laptop machine, and wouldn't get anything else. If you're a Mac person, this is the thing to get.
Well the laptop that I myself use for desktop replacement is Compaq 1274 (In fact I am posting this message from the laptop now). No, it's not for playing Quake3 (I haven't tried, but I don't suppose its possible), but I could play unreal (in Mikeysoft OS) in a very low resolution, but it worked. It is great for coders, music lovers, just casual desktop users, net junkies but not 3d gamers. Here are the highlights: AMD-k6-2/366/64MBram/4.3GB. For more detailed information, you can check out a how-to that I have written at http://strlen.net/compaq1274. Happy laptoping.
Well the laptop that I myself use for desktop replacement is Compaq 1274 (In fact I am posting this message from the laptop now). No, it's not for playing Quake3 (I haven't tried, but I don't suppose its possible), but I could play unreal (in Mikeysoft OS) in a very low resolution, but it worked. It is great for coders, music lovers, just casual desktop users, net junkies but not 3d gamers. Here are the highlights: AMD-k6-2/366/64MBram/4.3GB. For more detailed information, you can check out a how-to that I have written at http://strlen.net/compaq1274.html
Happy laptoping. And it works perfectly in Linux too.Most portable computer ever, man! Sure, there are newer models, like the 110, and some in Japan that are much cooler looking. It's the size of a VHS tape, and weighs a little over 2 pounds with a P166MMX, 64mb ram, 2.1gb HDD, 2 PCMCIA type 2, IR, sound, and a beautiful 2MB video card driving a 6.3" screen. I can't play Q3 on it, but Q2 runs ok. Runs Linux and any flavor of Windows/DOS very well.
doesn't do diddly as far as 3d but the Neomagic chipset has some cool features...dual monitors being one of them. great ultraportable but not a gamers box...
it'll be a great notebook for everything but the gaming...today's games -- even the 2d slower paced ones -- require significant horsepower. Dell, Micron and Apple make the only semi useful gaming notebooks. that said this is an excellent utility laptop. pen
didn't anyone think it was weird that he compared a presentation package to a video editing program? hmm.
I was glad to see this topic come up. Right now I'm considering purchasing a laptop for a new outside sales position and am looking at Sony, Dell, and HP lines.
One thing that caught my eye was Sony's Color Book. A micronotebook with a built in camera, smaller cinematic ratio screen and more power than the box I currently run.
Basically, I'll be using the notebook for producing reports, email, internet, client presentations, a GPS naviation system, and various entertainment purposes--I'm sure it will run many games better than my current box.
Question--does anyone have any experience with this notebook? Generally, I am not a programmer and I won't need ton of space--just utility. Any input?
--Kline
Twinhead's are thus extremely quiet. For anyone using a laptop in a quiet environment, it's worth considering. Most models also have both FD and CD integrated, which I find useful. Does anyone know of other fanless laptops?
I don't think that any sort of portable computer could replace desktops, simply because of the price of the system and the cost of upgrades. This system costs £3,500... I'm not sure exactly how much that would be in American dollars (around $4,000?), but a similarly equipped desktop system would be about $1000 to $1500... also, I believe PCMCIA cards cost much more than PCI cards... It's definitely a great system if you have the money, but the average person wouldn't buy this to replace their desktop when they can get another desktop for less than half the price. Still, a very impressive system.
"Let me open these blinds so the snipers can see in." - Kevin Giffhorn
I've been surprised how much I like the touchpad on my Compaq Presario 1925. I didn't realize how configurable they are (at least with the Compaq software). I have mine set to "tap to click" and "tap once to be in move mode" -- it's very natural because you feel like you're physically pressing a button or dragging windows around with your finger. I also have the "scroll" feature on -- the touchpad acts like a mousewheel when I run my finger up and down the right edge.
PS: love the size of my Compaq (the base with DVD player comes off, 13" screen) and don't think I'll ever get a larger notebook. I hope notebook makers continue the trend of thin machines via detachable CD/floppy and continue making 13" or smaller screens. I'd rather have longer battery than a 15" brick. A 14" would be cool if it had SXGA resolution (so I can PCAnywhere into work in fullscreen mode).
PS2: all notebook owners should get the WebGear Aviator2.4 wireless networking kit . $170, one card in your desktop connected to a cable modem, the other in your notebook, and you've got yourself a portable webpad and MP3 jukebox that you can take anywhere in your house/apartment.
I personally find them to be excellent laptops, and in general quality hardware. They're latest laptops use the Rage Mobility which is the best 3D Accelerator you can have on a laptop right now. A Voodoo3 would be nicer but that would cut the battery life down to oh, say 10 minutes (or just before you fire off the Rocket Launcher, whichever comes first). Dell laptops are also certified by RedHat for Linux compatability, although you still have to watch out for WinModems. The latest Inspiron can take up to 512mb RAM, now I don't know how the heck I could ever use 512mb RAM on the road, but hey, it's nice to know you've got the option. Gateway makes good stuff too, my Room mate just got a Celeron 433 with a Rage Mobility chip, haven't tried it but I'm guessing it could do 20-30 fps. In general, if you want to play games on it. Know what the video chip is and check it out! Or else you'll end up with some cheappo Trident or Cirrus Logic piece of junk that has no OpenGL ICD.