Sonuds like NetMail would fit the bill, on your choice of platform (NetWare, Windows 2000 or Linux). Scales to jillions of users. Requires eDirectory, but you can make that replicate with ActiveDirectory at no additional cost.
So, why isn't this type of setup default? It downloads all the plugins and installs everything for you. Sounds like Ubuntu needs two installations types, "Standard - Automatix with everything" and then "Detailed - advanced users"....
Correct. I don't know anyone who could really say what was happening. I've heard in tech shops the recommended lifespan is 18 months of a Windows installation. I'd say that was about right, with minimal crashes during that time.
I'd recommend reinsatlling Windows, installing all your apps and patches. Then get a copy of Norton Ghost and take an image of your machine. Save that to a jillion CD's or a couple of DVD's and shelve them. When your box gets trashed again, slap the image back on and apply any updates from there. Saves some time.
Most certainly this is not the company he founded 14-some years ago. They were bought out. It is good, however, he was polite on his exit and didn't badmouth whatever problems they are having at Novell. I'll be the first to admit, Novell has taken a lot time to realize they need to restructure around Linux and thank god they finally are, but you almost need to thank the current visionaries and put new ones in their place to start the new vision. Not the Ximian team, they also have their own vision for what things should be. They need some general open source/Linux people that can steer this thing and use the existing Novell service and partnership channels to execute it. It's really a good receipe overall, just poorly executed until recently.
I hope they can pull it off as SUSE is a great distro. The Open Enterprise Server is at about 60% strength of what it should and will be eventually. That is somewhat disapointing but they had to get something out there to start the transition (and again thank god a year early else they'd be dead right now with all the waiting). Everyone releases 1.0 products with limited features so we shouldn't be too hard on them--at least it's stable!!! I guess only time will tell.
NetWare is still a terrific product, too bad they can't reshell it, redo the myriad of management tools for it and rebrand it. It is so rock solid I hate to migrate people from it and get them going on reboots and all that. Competing products are good, but not quite that good. They could never release an open-source version of NetWare, but if they did I'd be all over that before this Linux stuff on the server.
In the meantime, I hope it doesn't tick off too many existing European core customers. Some have left, some stay, we'll just have to see.
Finally, someone has taken a stance and picked one! I don't care what it is, they are both fully functional and get the job done, from any viewpoint. Yes, I'm a Novell guy and business partner so I'm biased, but this fragmentation of desktops has to stop. Or at least one needs to pull ahead so some standardization can happen.
They state KDE will still be on the machine, libraries and apps. So what's the big deal? You will probably still be able to pick KDE on OS installation but the default will be GNOME. You can load the GNOME libraries and run the management apps on KDE....
RedHat is GNOME. How could they not pick GNOME? It's not a huge technological jump on SUSE's part to support GNOME so stay with the flow to make desktops more standardized across all corporate distributions.
It's no full blown computer, but with a few more apps standard (Office apps) and maybe the ability to plug in a USB keychain drive to it I know I wouldn't need much more then that on a regular basis.
I think most people will still need a PC. I mean, you're not ever going to have a good experience running Photoshop on your phone. I don't think all the attachments on a phone make it a good experience either. I'm not hauling all that junk around all the time just in case if I need to use it. There's no reason why there can't be more client-server or cached apps to access larger systems (CRM's, whatever) that would be perfectly suited on a small screen device.
I think one issue the US mobile phone companies have to straighten out before any advanced devices can be released is the 3G and other high-bandwidth systems. You can't realistically expect to have your data hosted at a service provider or have reasonable web browsing without it. And you can't expect people to pay $200 a month either.
Definately these new products need to be Linux-based or at least comaptible. I think the major companies are still a bit scared/confused about the Linux thing, but a lot of great apps come from open-source type projects and even more so in the Linux community. If this doesn't happen, we'd just be at the mercy of the vendor and we won't get very far waiting for them to make us apps.
I looked at a Nano at Best Buy. I understand the point of producing a quality product from the start, but what what buying a screen protector for it? Get one for a Palm Pilot, cut it to fit, and put it on the screen. I put one on my BlackBerry, even though it's not a touch screen device, just to make sure the screen stays nice.
I have somewhat of a bias being a Novell Gold Business Partner and previously being a SUSE Business Partner. But in our partnering decisions great time and painstaking care was involved evaluating and examining the market.
As many others have said, RedHat and SUSE are both enterprise-class, stable products with great tech and community support. They run lots of commercial applications without modification. Either one is a great general purpose choice for your desktop environment. I feel the NLD product has a more unifed feel and management through YAST. Many RedHat admins dislike SUSE because of YAST, that it changes many config files and no one really knows what it is doing. Be that as it may, managing your network (and possibly having somewhat less skilled Help Desk staff) is made much easier by letting YAST take on the brunt of that work. YAST is a GUI and a command-line application, so you get the best of those two worlds as well. In my typical environments, you don't want the end-user going to the command-line at all if you can help it, as YAST is a great way to keep things straight.
Both systems run Gnome or KDE, so your desktop choice would be more of a decision for how much training you can provide as well as what fits best in your environment. Again, both are enterprise-class environment and both a good choice. Both OS's can run pograms designed for either window manager (aka, you can run Gnome apps in KDE if you have the KDE libraries installed, and vice versa) so you aren't missing out on applications due to window manager issues or widget libraries.
I think Novell is pushing further with more innovations on the desktop (or "features" they are not always new to the computer world) then RedHat is at this time. The SUSE Professional product is really a test-bed for what goes into Novell Linux Desktop. It seem Fedora Core is the same, but feels more like they keep it no-cost so people will continue to use RedHat products. I'll probably get flamed for that, but that's just my impression.
Hardware support (for laptops anyway) seems better in SUSE. Fedora Core 4 won't work with my 802.11 wireless card in my IBM Thinkpad X31 (yes, have to jump through hoops to get it working). It has worked on SUSE since 9.0 out of the box (3 versions ago). But this is not a huge problem these days as you can buy your hardware with linux in mind, and more drivers for new hardware are available.
Finally, determine your support needs and see what offerings both companies have. If you have really green linux admins (like your current Windows admins probably are) you may need many incidents the first year and then fewer after that. You should be able to get a fairly customized support package from either vendor.
I rolled it at a 10-user Windows 2000 desktop/Netware 6.5 server and no problems there. I have it on my laptop and a few other misc machines and no problems or noticible slowdowns... Ran 8, 9 and now 10 just fine.
I did notice the automatic scan started after installing the software, which although annoying, was definately not a show-stopper or a point to whine about.
I've migrated quite a few server off of Trend Micro as their software us utter garbage. I'm saddened they bought Intermute, as I hope CWShredder doesn't go away or go paid.
Only other AV I'd try is McAfee, but haven't used it in a number of years to know if it's good. Was a bit flakey back then.
I had never heard of MicroCenter when they first arrived a few years ago in Minnesota. They are definatelty the best computer store in the area. The sales people are actually knowledgable and lots of them run Linux. I send home user-types there to buy and especially the first time Mac buyers.
They have a good selection of Linux on the software shelf, although it is near the back of the store. RedHat, SUSE, the BSD's, Linspire, Slackware, Mandrake. So that's kinda cool.
I have Kensington's Expert Mouse (the black one) and it's wonderful but USB. My ThinkPad X31 has bluetooth and I would also love to have a wireless trackball..... I e-mailed them and they had no information on if they would make a bluetooth version or not.
I've seen the RF wireless versoin and I don't like that the batteries run out evey few months. I have a docking station at my desk with the trackball plugged into it so I'm not even so sure how useful a wireless trackball would be for me. I mean, I'm not going ot carry the honking thing around with me.....
NASA TV is now available on the standard DirecTV packages. They must have moved the channel from their "oval dish" system as when I inquired about it last year they said that's what I needed to receive it.
Most I hear is there's no good free feeds left to be worth it. I've love to get some feeds from europe and africa, but that programming doesn't reach the US.
My favorite satellite place is SkyVision. They have big dish and small dish stuff.......
We have enough guts out there to put the GUI on, just give us the shell. I still find it the easiest to use and very feature-rich even for today's standards.
Also, we'd be in better shape is you didn't need a dang service contract to get the latest support packs. They have wireless drivers and all kinds of current stuff in there that very few can get at. I know they had to develop them themselves and someone has to pay for it. I'd pay $100 to get a service pack without getting on the corporate subscription service.......
And then what's up with eComStation? I hear they are still in full development mode with new stuff slated for this year. That might be the place to support to keep OS/2 alive...
Not even a cradle on the 7100 series. Uses a regular USB cable (rectangular plug to the micro plug). Same cable I use to connect to my Sony digital camera. It syncs and charges over it. Even the wall charger is a USB cable with a transformer on the end. It is quite nice to charge off the computer this way.
I do wish it had a cradle, as the plugging and unplugging is a little annoying (the plug is on the left side of the unit). Great for portability though.
Hmm, just looked up 20,000 leagues and it only gives you the front and back cover, as well as the table of contents and the "if you found this book without a cover" notice... Can't seem to get any further into the book. Are you supposed to be able to read the books online or is it just for phrase referencing?
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Sonuds like NetMail would fit the bill, on your choice of platform (NetWare, Windows 2000 or Linux). Scales to jillions of users. Requires eDirectory, but you can make that replicate with ActiveDirectory at no additional cost.
http://www.novell.com/products/netmail/
Have fun!
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So, why isn't this type of setup default? It downloads all the plugins and installs everything for you. Sounds like Ubuntu needs two installations types, "Standard - Automatix with everything" and then "Detailed - advanced users"....
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Correct. I don't know anyone who could really say what was happening. I've heard in tech shops the recommended lifespan is 18 months of a Windows installation. I'd say that was about right, with minimal crashes during that time.
I'd recommend reinsatlling Windows, installing all your apps and patches. Then get a copy of Norton Ghost and take an image of your machine. Save that to a jillion CD's or a couple of DVD's and shelve them. When your box gets trashed again, slap the image back on and apply any updates from there. Saves some time.
-m
Most certainly this is not the company he founded 14-some years ago. They were bought out. It is good, however, he was polite on his exit and didn't badmouth whatever problems they are having at Novell. I'll be the first to admit, Novell has taken a lot time to realize they need to restructure around Linux and thank god they finally are, but you almost need to thank the current visionaries and put new ones in their place to start the new vision. Not the Ximian team, they also have their own vision for what things should be. They need some general open source/Linux people that can steer this thing and use the existing Novell service and partnership channels to execute it. It's really a good receipe overall, just poorly executed until recently.
I hope they can pull it off as SUSE is a great distro. The Open Enterprise Server is at about 60% strength of what it should and will be eventually. That is somewhat disapointing but they had to get something out there to start the transition (and again thank god a year early else they'd be dead right now with all the waiting). Everyone releases 1.0 products with limited features so we shouldn't be too hard on them--at least it's stable!!! I guess only time will tell.
NetWare is still a terrific product, too bad they can't reshell it, redo the myriad of management tools for it and rebrand it. It is so rock solid I hate to migrate people from it and get them going on reboots and all that. Competing products are good, but not quite that good. They could never release an open-source version of NetWare, but if they did I'd be all over that before this Linux stuff on the server.
In the meantime, I hope it doesn't tick off too many existing European core customers. Some have left, some stay, we'll just have to see.
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Finally, someone has taken a stance and picked one! I don't care what it is, they are both fully functional and get the job done, from any viewpoint. Yes, I'm a Novell guy and business partner so I'm biased, but this fragmentation of desktops has to stop. Or at least one needs to pull ahead so some standardization can happen.
They state KDE will still be on the machine, libraries and apps. So what's the big deal? You will probably still be able to pick KDE on OS installation but the default will be GNOME. You can load the GNOME libraries and run the management apps on KDE....
RedHat is GNOME. How could they not pick GNOME? It's not a huge technological jump on SUSE's part to support GNOME so stay with the flow to make desktops more standardized across all corporate distributions.
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It's no full blown computer, but with a few more apps standard (Office apps) and maybe the ability to plug in a USB keychain drive to it I know I wouldn't need much more then that on a regular basis.
I think most people will still need a PC. I mean, you're not ever going to have a good experience running Photoshop on your phone. I don't think all the attachments on a phone make it a good experience either. I'm not hauling all that junk around all the time just in case if I need to use it. There's no reason why there can't be more client-server or cached apps to access larger systems (CRM's, whatever) that would be perfectly suited on a small screen device.
I think one issue the US mobile phone companies have to straighten out before any advanced devices can be released is the 3G and other high-bandwidth systems. You can't realistically expect to have your data hosted at a service provider or have reasonable web browsing without it. And you can't expect people to pay $200 a month either.
Definately these new products need to be Linux-based or at least comaptible. I think the major companies are still a bit scared/confused about the Linux thing, but a lot of great apps come from open-source type projects and even more so in the Linux community. If this doesn't happen, we'd just be at the mercy of the vendor and we won't get very far waiting for them to make us apps.
Will always be watching...
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Hey,
I looked at a Nano at Best Buy. I understand the point of producing a quality product from the start, but what what buying a screen protector for it? Get one for a Palm Pilot, cut it to fit, and put it on the screen. I put one on my BlackBerry, even though it's not a touch screen device, just to make sure the screen stays nice.
Just a thought.
-m
I have somewhat of a bias being a Novell Gold Business Partner and previously being a SUSE Business Partner. But in our partnering decisions great time and painstaking care was involved evaluating and examining the market.
As many others have said, RedHat and SUSE are both enterprise-class, stable products with great tech and community support. They run lots of commercial applications without modification. Either one is a great general purpose choice for your desktop environment. I feel the NLD product has a more unifed feel and management through YAST. Many RedHat admins dislike SUSE because of YAST, that it changes many config files and no one really knows what it is doing. Be that as it may, managing your network (and possibly having somewhat less skilled Help Desk staff) is made much easier by letting YAST take on the brunt of that work. YAST is a GUI and a command-line application, so you get the best of those two worlds as well. In my typical environments, you don't want the end-user going to the command-line at all if you can help it, as YAST is a great way to keep things straight.
Both systems run Gnome or KDE, so your desktop choice would be more of a decision for how much training you can provide as well as what fits best in your environment. Again, both are enterprise-class environment and both a good choice. Both OS's can run pograms designed for either window manager (aka, you can run Gnome apps in KDE if you have the KDE libraries installed, and vice versa) so you aren't missing out on applications due to window manager issues or widget libraries.
I think Novell is pushing further with more innovations on the desktop (or "features" they are not always new to the computer world) then RedHat is at this time. The SUSE Professional product is really a test-bed for what goes into Novell Linux Desktop. It seem Fedora Core is the same, but feels more like they keep it no-cost so people will continue to use RedHat products. I'll probably get flamed for that, but that's just my impression.
Hardware support (for laptops anyway) seems better in SUSE. Fedora Core 4 won't work with my 802.11 wireless card in my IBM Thinkpad X31 (yes, have to jump through hoops to get it working). It has worked on SUSE since 9.0 out of the box (3 versions ago). But this is not a huge problem these days as you can buy your hardware with linux in mind, and more drivers for new hardware are available.
Finally, determine your support needs and see what offerings both companies have. If you have really green linux admins (like your current Windows admins probably are) you may need many incidents the first year and then fewer after that. You should be able to get a fairly customized support package from either vendor.
Best of luck on your journey!
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I rolled it at a 10-user Windows 2000 desktop/Netware 6.5 server and no problems there. I have it on my laptop and a few other misc machines and no problems or noticible slowdowns... Ran 8, 9 and now 10 just fine.
I did notice the automatic scan started after installing the software, which although annoying, was definately not a show-stopper or a point to whine about.
I've migrated quite a few server off of Trend Micro as their software us utter garbage. I'm saddened they bought Intermute, as I hope CWShredder doesn't go away or go paid.
Only other AV I'd try is McAfee, but haven't used it in a number of years to know if it's good. Was a bit flakey back then.
Best of luck...
-m
I had never heard of MicroCenter when they first arrived a few years ago in Minnesota. They are definatelty the best computer store in the area. The sales people are actually knowledgable and lots of them run Linux. I send home user-types there to buy and especially the first time Mac buyers.
They have a good selection of Linux on the software shelf, although it is near the back of the store. RedHat, SUSE, the BSD's, Linspire, Slackware, Mandrake. So that's kinda cool.
Kudos to them to breaking ground in this area!
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Get them from my friend Bryan x71071 at PC Connection for $29.99 after $20 rebate. In stock and ships today!
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Looks cool, I'll probably try one. Though I would like it more if it had bluetooth....
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I have Kensington's Expert Mouse (the black one) and it's wonderful but USB. My ThinkPad X31 has bluetooth and I would also love to have a wireless trackball..... I e-mailed them and they had no information on if they would make a bluetooth version or not.
:)
I've seen the RF wireless versoin and I don't like that the batteries run out evey few months. I have a docking station at my desk with the trackball plugged into it so I'm not even so sure how useful a wireless trackball would be for me. I mean, I'm not going ot carry the honking thing around with me.....
Ah well, just keeping on the fringe.....
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>> And it's the core of Novell's GroupWise suite,
Actually, it's the core of Novell SUSE OpenExchange Server. GroupWise is a closed-source application.
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That site is awesome. I need to pick up some hardware now! :)
Thanks.
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NASA TV is now available on the standard DirecTV packages. They must have moved the channel from their "oval dish" system as when I inquired about it last year they said that's what I needed to receive it.
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My favorite satellite place is SkyVision. They have big dish and small dish stuff.......
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We have enough guts out there to put the GUI on, just give us the shell. I still find it the easiest to use and very feature-rich even for today's standards.
Also, we'd be in better shape is you didn't need a dang service contract to get the latest support packs. They have wireless drivers and all kinds of current stuff in there that very few can get at. I know they had to develop them themselves and someone has to pay for it. I'd pay $100 to get a service pack without getting on the corporate subscription service.......
And then what's up with eComStation? I hear they are still in full development mode with new stuff slated for this year. That might be the place to support to keep OS/2 alive...
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..and on my desk, then I'd say 1.
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What the heck happened there?
At least it's not Windows!
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I've seen it done up here before when the Nachi worm thing was going around. It's a Good Thing, IMHO.
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Hey,
Not even a cradle on the 7100 series. Uses a regular USB cable (rectangular plug to the micro plug). Same cable I use to connect to my Sony digital camera. It syncs and charges over it. Even the wall charger is a USB cable with a transformer on the end. It is quite nice to charge off the computer this way.
I do wish it had a cradle, as the plugging and unplugging is a little annoying (the plug is on the left side of the unit). Great for portability though.
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Go to Egypt and get a ZPM! Don't you watch TV?
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Don't forget the suite is updated as well...
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According to the Google Print page, it doesn't say anything about reading the entire book. Nice of the poster to RTFS before posting.
http://print.google.com/
There's links to buy it though.
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Hmm, just looked up 20,000 leagues and it only gives you the front and back cover, as well as the table of contents and the "if you found this book without a cover" notice... Can't seem to get any further into the book. Are you supposed to be able to read the books online or is it just for phrase referencing?
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