Well, I've run OS X on a 1998 issue PowerBook, and so have many others. It wasn't as unusable as you imply.
I found it pretty torturous -- not so much because of the age of the processor, I don't think, but because the (Lombard?) I was using had such an anemic video subsystem. Running OS X 10.2 was not a pleasant experience, especially next to the Quicksilver I've got on my desk at work.
(YDL, on the other hand, flew like a bat out of hell, especially running Windowmaker. I can't wait until the 3.0 box sets ship.)
Also, my response was probably a little short because I'm sick of the "why run Linux when you can run OS X" question that comes up _every_ time the PPC port of Linux is mentioned. OS X is not going to run at all on my 7200/90, or to my satisfaction on the Lombard, and so I'm glad stuff like Bamboo is available as an alternative.
gentoo is a relatively popular linux distro which is built from scratch
Hey, thanks for filling us all in. The hundreds of goddamned Gentoo fanboys who seem to swarm over every comment page on this site didn't make it adequately clear.
I agree that BSDers (like myself) are in the minority, but I'm not so sure about Slashdot being "mainly a linux forum."
I agree. I don't think there's a whole lot of actual linux users on here -- although I do think there are a lot of kids posting from the Windows XP box that has a long-dormant Red Hat partition on it somewhere.
SuSE and Red Hat are the last professional distributions left in my opinion.
I realize they're PPC-only, but I like Yellow Dog quite a bit as well. Speaking as a longtime BSD freak, YDL is the only Linux distro I'm comfortable using.
If some OS is not for newbies - that would be *BSD.
I don't know about that - my first Unix was NetBSD, and I selected it because of the similarity to the userland of the (then upcoming) Mac OS X. The BSDs tend to be a little harder to use, but the documentation is light-years ahead of anything I've seen in the Linux world.
A newbie who wants to learn is probably better off with a BSD than with any other Free *nix.
Sometimes fate deals the bully a nice tall glass of bitter medicine later in life.
That's true. And you're right, it's funny when that happens - I recent went to a high school reunion and found out that the top sprinter on the track team turned into an obese, chain smoking mess. That was funny, especially since he was so arrogant back when I was still running.
The poster I was replying to, on the other hand, was saying that at some unspecified point in the future his life is going to be just so much better than that of the neanderthals who are torturing him now, because they're all so stupid. That sounds like juvenile elitism to me, and an attitude like that can (and generally will) get your ass beat.
When I was in High School, the nerds stayed as far away from the types who might pick on them as possible, but were accosted anyway.
Then your experience was significantly different than mine. Perhaps the fact that I went to a Jesuit high school rather than the public school in my town had an effect on the social structure of the student body.
As for all of the flamebaiting in your message, that I'll ignore. "She might have it coming to her" indeed. And you call me a piece of work.
i don't think you've given very much thought to the ramifications of your "philosophy".
It's not a "philosophy", it's simply an observation.
When I was in high school, I got good grades, took all the computer classes, etc. I was a bona-fide 100% dyed in the wool geek. I played Dungeons and Dragons. I taught myself how to use NetWare.
I also made an effort to get along with people and put myself into different contexts. I became a student athlete of no great distinction. I bought an old car and learned how to work on it. And I never had any major social problems dealing with anyone.
The people who have this horrible high school experience, as far as I can tell, are people who get into it with a chip on their shoulder. Kids who come in and who immediately assume everyone they meet is a slackjawed moron with nothing to contribute. Oddly, other student bristle at being the subject of this bigotry and that's where problems start.
If you need proof of this, look up the posts in this forum from high school students. Most of them positively throb with arrogance.
Why don't you stop assuming that the tykes on the football team are predators and that their "victims" are blameless?
I seem to recall that the people who took the most shit in high school were always the whiny, elitist, "I'm-smarter-than-you" types.
Provoking a bear twice my size by poking it with a stick doesn't make me a victim when it mauls me. It makes me a fool who should have watched what he was doing.
I don't know if you personally just got a lot of wedgies over this or something, but you sure seem to have an axe to grind.
Het, when I get out of college, odds are there will be jobs of 50k and up just waiting for me, while the jocks are slaving away at some factory somewhere, or still asking if they want fries with that, they can be as cruel as they would like, just gives me more things to chuckle about when things in my life go right.
And this would be a great example of why people think geeks are a bunch of elitist assholes.
It's a lengthy but engaging writeup of that chamber of horrors we call high school and why being smarter than the average bear is more of a liability than an asset during that stage in life. It's food for thought for those of us who've already been there, done that and been stuffed into lockers by the football team and it should give some hope to those who are going through it right now.
And I'm sure its going to do nothing but reinforce lots of negative stereotypes and Katz-style whining.
I'm a nerd - I'm a computer professional - I was an athlete in high school and I'm still active today.
People need to take a little bit of responsibility for their own lives rather than chalking everything up to "well, I'm going to get picked on because everyone else in the world is so much stupider than me."
Whenever a page looks incorrect or doesn't function in Safari, click the little bug icon in the upper-right corner, and it pops up a dialog where you can send feedback directly to Apple's Safari team. It can optionally include a screenshot of the page.
It works, too. I sent in a bug reports about this page a couple of days ago - the modelines at the end of the XF86Config file were being rendered on top of each other.
I just downloaded the new Safari beta, and now it renders correctly. Very responsive.
Matrox G450 DualHead (Cost: Rescuing it from the trashbin at work):
I loved Matrox cards under Windows, and they had a good rep with the Linux crowd, so I gave this one a whirl. I got the dual head working with the Matrox drivers without too much fuss. However, artifacts from one screen would just appear on the other screen, borking my display.
I think this may well have been a problem with your window manager - I run Windowmaker under X with a dualhead setup on this card, and I've never had the problems you describe. The only issue is that Windowmaker's Xinerama support is occasionally a little flaky (ie dialog boxes in the middle, spanning both monitors).
So do the new professional line of Gateways. The ones in the Oakland Raiders color scheme, with the plastic foreskin that flops down over the drive bays.
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They were originally designed for the smaller more powerful rotary engines that crapped out at 20,000 miles
No, you're thinking of the Pacer. The Gremlin was designed to have the engine that it shipped with.
--saint
(Proud owner of an AMC Matador Barcelona)
Well, I've run OS X on a 1998 issue PowerBook, and so have many others. It wasn't as unusable as you imply.
I found it pretty torturous -- not so much because of the age of the processor, I don't think, but because the (Lombard?) I was using had such an anemic video subsystem. Running OS X 10.2 was not a pleasant experience, especially next to the Quicksilver I've got on my desk at work.
(YDL, on the other hand, flew like a bat out of hell, especially running Windowmaker. I can't wait until the 3.0 box sets ship.)
Also, my response was probably a little short because I'm sick of the "why run Linux when you can run OS X" question that comes up _every_ time the PPC port of Linux is mentioned. OS X is not going to run at all on my 7200/90, or to my satisfaction on the Lombard, and so I'm glad stuff like Bamboo is available as an alternative.
--saint
I don't understand why anyone would bother running Linux on a Mac.
Then you've never tried to run OS X on a 1999 issue Powerbook.
Back under your bridge, troll.
--saint
gentoo is a relatively popular linux distro which is built from scratch
Hey, thanks for filling us all in. The hundreds of goddamned Gentoo fanboys who seem to swarm over every comment page on this site didn't make it adequately clear.
--saint
For example I have one which I use to stream MP3's from my main PC (via WiFI) into my Hifi.
I use an Audrey for a similar purpose. No moving parts, so it's instant on with a touchscreen to select playlists. Yummy.
--saint
That should be "happen," not "happed." "Happed" is what you've done to someone when they cease to be "hapless."
--saint
f the product's good enough, its success doesn't depend on advertising, because people KNOW it's good and tell OTHER people it's good.
You didn't happed to run the marketing department for DEC, did you?
--saint
Fuck... What total and utter bullshit. This guy's a troll.
Who is, HanzoSan? Gee, say it ain't so.
--saint
Maybe I'm missing something, but why would I want to install YDL
(I know that there are going to be a million of these - I'm only replying to the first one I saw.)
Because OS X runs like ass on a Powerbook from 1999, but YDL (with Windowmaker, of course) fucking _flies_.
--saint
I've never bought from them myself but they seem well talked of on Mac sites.
I bought the 1999 issue iMac DV SE I'm typing this on from them. They rock, and their prices are fantastic.
(Not affiliated, satisfied customer, etc...)
--saint
I agree that BSDers (like myself) are in the minority, but I'm not so sure about Slashdot being "mainly a linux forum."
I agree. I don't think there's a whole lot of actual linux users on here -- although I do think there are a lot of kids posting from the Windows XP box that has a long-dormant Red Hat partition on it somewhere.
--saint
SuSE and Red Hat are the last professional distributions left in my opinion.
I realize they're PPC-only, but I like Yellow Dog quite a bit as well. Speaking as a longtime BSD freak, YDL is the only Linux distro I'm comfortable using.
--saint
If some OS is not for newbies - that would be *BSD.
I don't know about that - my first Unix was NetBSD, and I selected it because of the similarity to the userland of the (then upcoming) Mac OS X. The BSDs tend to be a little harder to use, but the documentation is light-years ahead of anything I've seen in the Linux world.
A newbie who wants to learn is probably better off with a BSD than with any other Free *nix.
--saint
Jesus of Nazareth did not die so we could enjoy eggs and chocolate bunnies!
Nah, I'm sure he was all about the Peeps. And I bet his never went all stale and crunchy like the ones I found in the kitchen the other day.
--saint
Sometimes fate deals the bully a nice tall glass of bitter medicine later in life.
That's true. And you're right, it's funny when that happens - I recent went to a high school reunion and found out that the top sprinter on the track team turned into an obese, chain smoking mess. That was funny, especially since he was so arrogant back when I was still running.
The poster I was replying to, on the other hand, was saying that at some unspecified point in the future his life is going to be just so much better than that of the neanderthals who are torturing him now, because they're all so stupid. That sounds like juvenile elitism to me, and an attitude like that can (and generally will) get your ass beat.
Don't gloat until there's a reason, I guess.
--saint
Rather than nitpicking, take courage to admit that you didn't read the article and had truly no idea what the fsck it was about.
I don't think it's a matter of courage - if you read my original post, I _said_ I didn't read the article.
--saint
When I was in High School, the nerds stayed as far away from the types who might pick on them as possible, but were accosted anyway.
Then your experience was significantly different than mine. Perhaps the fact that I went to a Jesuit high school rather than the public school in my town had an effect on the social structure of the student body.
As for all of the flamebaiting in your message, that I'll ignore. "She might have it coming to her" indeed. And you call me a piece of work.
--saint
i don't think you've given very much thought to the ramifications of your "philosophy".
It's not a "philosophy", it's simply an observation.
When I was in high school, I got good grades, took all the computer classes, etc. I was a bona-fide 100% dyed in the wool geek. I played Dungeons and Dragons. I taught myself how to use NetWare.
I also made an effort to get along with people and put myself into different contexts. I became a student athlete of no great distinction. I bought an old car and learned how to work on it. And I never had any major social problems dealing with anyone.
The people who have this horrible high school experience, as far as I can tell, are people who get into it with a chip on their shoulder. Kids who come in and who immediately assume everyone they meet is a slackjawed moron with nothing to contribute. Oddly, other student bristle at being the subject of this bigotry and that's where problems start.
If you need proof of this, look up the posts in this forum from high school students. Most of them positively throb with arrogance.
--saint
why don't you try blaming the predator?
Why don't you stop assuming that the tykes on the football team are predators and that their "victims" are blameless?
I seem to recall that the people who took the most shit in high school were always the whiny, elitist, "I'm-smarter-than-you" types.
Provoking a bear twice my size by poking it with a stick doesn't make me a victim when it mauls me. It makes me a fool who should have watched what he was doing.
I don't know if you personally just got a lot of wedgies over this or something, but you sure seem to have an axe to grind.
--saint
Het, when I get out of college, odds are there will be jobs of 50k and up just waiting for me, while the jocks are slaving away at some factory somewhere, or still asking if they want fries with that, they can be as cruel as they would like, just gives me more things to chuckle about when things in my life go right.
And this would be a great example of why people think geeks are a bunch of elitist assholes.
--saint
It's a lengthy but engaging writeup of that chamber of horrors we call high school and why being smarter than the average bear is more of a liability than an asset during that stage in life. It's food for thought for those of us who've already been there, done that and been stuffed into lockers by the football team and it should give some hope to those who are going through it right now.
And I'm sure its going to do nothing but reinforce lots of negative stereotypes and Katz-style whining.
I'm a nerd - I'm a computer professional - I was an athlete in high school and I'm still active today.
People need to take a little bit of responsibility for their own lives rather than chalking everything up to "well, I'm going to get picked on because everyone else in the world is so much stupider than me."
--saint
Whenever a page looks incorrect or doesn't function in Safari, click the little bug icon in the upper-right corner, and it pops up a dialog where you can send feedback directly to Apple's Safari team. It can optionally include a screenshot of the page.
It works, too. I sent in a bug reports about this page a couple of days ago - the modelines at the end of the XF86Config file were being rendered on top of each other.
I just downloaded the new Safari beta, and now it renders correctly. Very responsive.
--saint
Matrox G450 DualHead (Cost: Rescuing it from the trashbin at work):
I loved Matrox cards under Windows, and they had a good rep with the Linux crowd, so I gave this one a whirl. I got the dual head working with the Matrox drivers without too much fuss. However, artifacts from one screen would just appear on the other screen, borking my display.
I think this may well have been a problem with your window manager - I run Windowmaker under X with a dualhead setup on this card, and I've never had the problems you describe. The only issue is that Windowmaker's Xinerama support is occasionally a little flaky (ie dialog boxes in the middle, spanning both monitors).
--saint
The computer it came in had a 145watt PSU.
So do the new professional line of Gateways. The ones in the Oakland Raiders color scheme, with the plastic foreskin that flops down over the drive bays.
It might even be a 120.
Jesus wept.
--saint
Most users don't want to be educated on how to use an OS. They look at it like a microwave, plug it in, press the button, get what you want.
Yeah, that must be why products like the Audrey and the Gateway Connected Touchpad fared so well in the marketplace.
People have to learn how to use _some_ OS if they're going to learn to use a computer, rather than some castrated appliance that poorly replaces one.
--saint