Still debating if I'll byte the big one and go IE (blech), or install Mozilla and redo all of the Helper apps (blech, the return).
I'm posting this from OmniWeb, which is (in my humble opinion, of course) the best web browser for the platform. I've tried Opera, IE, Moz, and none of them could stack up to Omni. Give it a shot.
For whatever reason, I didn't think to try to precompiled binaries ; I'll give that a shot tonight. But now I am curious about the port problem.
I know, replying to my own post is bad form, but the precompiled binaries do work fine; at last, a browser that _isn't_ netscape running in linux emulation mode! Konq and konsole alone are worth the disk space for the whole KDE bundle.
You do realize that KDE2 is in the the OpenBSD ports collection [openbsd.org]?
I do indeed. Unfortunately, when I do the standard cd/usr/ports/x11/kde && make && make install, it gets a little of the way through and then dies on me.
For whatever reason, I didn't think to try to precompiled binaries ; I'll give that a shot tonight. But now I am curious about the port problem.
(Not that being in the ports is a guarantee that the software will work; mozilla is in the ports as well, but its a documented fact that it won't run under OpenBSD.)
I haven't had any luck getting the 2.x family of KDE to build on an OpenBSD box, whether the hardware was x86 or PPC. Which sucks, because I really want to use Konq, and Mozilla won't build at all under Open.
Urg.
Anyhow, has anyone managed to build one of the 3.0 betas under OpenBSD?
In Tuesday's motion, the states also asked the judge to appoint a technical expert to help provide "impartial opinions on the complex, highly technical issues raised by the parties."
I vote for RMS. When you need a completely impartial expert witness, he's the only logical choice.
I've got a Powermac 7200 I'm playing with YDL on right now...
(Note: I am not a programmer. Should this be something patently obvious to anyone with the most casual knowledge of OS programming, I still don't know. So don't flame me.)
I once asked a telemarketer if he hated his life, he said he did. I thought it was kinda funny that he admitted it straight out - it was proof that the underbelly world of cheap advertising is evil.
Imagine spending eight hours a day being cussed at, hung up on, threatened, and bullied by both the people on the other end of the phone and your supervisors. No breaks, no advancement, no escape, and barely a living wage.
And that's just what it's like being a tech support phone whore. Imagine how much _worse_ it's gotta be to be some telemarketer.
One thing that nobody seems to remember was any version of Windows before 3.1.
I've still got the Zenith OEM version of Windows 1.04 around here somewhere - I had a 286 Zenith laptop when I was in college, and someone dug it out of the ITS archives for me.
(College wasn't nearly long enough ago that it was current software -- I think WFW 3.11 was in the labs when I graduated.)
Well, the Wired crew were always visionaries in that whenever they'd predict something to be the Next Big Thing it'd always end up in a mysterious state of bankruptcy the next morning.
I'm afraid I can't. Then again, Katz probably couldn't find his ass with both hands, a flashlight, a Garmin GPS, a paper map, a host of dental mirrors, and a three hour remedial ass finding course on tape. So I guess that makes us even.
Jon, there's no singular "heart of the net." There's not a single culture out here. And we're not all greasy high school kids with black nail polish. Thanks for oversimplifying, though.
For example, I use OpenBSD at home. Say I wrap up OpenBSD and call it "FooSecure - The World's Most Secure OS" and sell it for a hundred dollars a copy, without making anything but cosmetic changes and closing the source.
Oh, I just thought of a better example. Does the version of OpenBSD that Darren Reed released after that whole ipf debacle have any effect at all on the "original" OpenBSD? I find it tough to believe that Theo is exactly worried, whether Reed's software comes with the source or not.
Oh, and whoever keeps modding my posts Flamebait, GFY. Thanks. It's gonna take a lot more mod points than you've got to get rid of my +1.
GNU is more like "Feel free to drink form this well, but please don't steal the bucket."
Seems to me like the GPL is "feel free to drink from this well, but if you make pasta with the water everyone gets some."
It's impossible to steal the bucket with either license.
For example, I use OpenBSD at home. Say I wrap up OpenBSD and call it "FooSecure - The World's Most Secure OS" and sell it for a hundred dollars a copy, without making anything but cosmetic changes and closing the source.
Does openbsd.org cease to exist? Of course not.
I'm not trying to be a troll, here, but I honestly don't understand how people think the GPL is so free.
(I know, that sounds like "I'm not trying to be a troll, but Emacs suX0rs!". Sorry.)
Same thing is happening Wine as has been happening
to BSD for years. Get these vampires that forever
suck the life out of projects and do little or
nothing in return for the host.
I'm not a programmer myself, besides some basic scripting and such here and there, so take this with an appropriate grain of salt.
Do people write code in order to write good code and improve the state of computing, or do they do it in order to coerce other programmers into helping along?
It seems to me that the BSD license is representative of the first ideal, and the GPL of the second.
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One has to only go as far as Microsoft's site to see
Ah, so this is a typical Ask Slashdot then?
--saint
Still debating if I'll byte the big one and go IE (blech), or install Mozilla and redo all of the Helper apps (blech, the return).
I'm posting this from OmniWeb, which is (in my humble opinion, of course) the best web browser for the platform. I've tried Opera, IE, Moz, and none of them could stack up to Omni. Give it a shot.
--saint
Man, I hope for your sake there's only on Kathleen Fent.
Assuming, of course, that you don't live in Utah.
Congrats either way.
--saint
Much nicer than linuxconf
So is prison rape. I can't imagine anyone using that dreadful piece of shit of their own volition.
GUI tools in general give me hives, so I can't claim that I'm totally impartial, but that one has always struck me as particularly horrid.
--saint
For whatever reason, I didn't think to try to precompiled binaries ; I'll give that a shot tonight. But now I am curious about the port problem.
I know, replying to my own post is bad form, but the precompiled binaries do work fine; at last, a browser that _isn't_ netscape running in linux emulation mode! Konq and konsole alone are worth the disk space for the whole KDE bundle.
--saint
You do realize that KDE2 is in the the OpenBSD ports collection [openbsd.org]?
/usr/ports/x11/kde && make && make install, it gets a little of the way through and then dies on me.
I do indeed. Unfortunately, when I do the standard cd
For whatever reason, I didn't think to try to precompiled binaries ; I'll give that a shot tonight. But now I am curious about the port problem.
(Not that being in the ports is a guarantee that the software will work; mozilla is in the ports as well, but its a documented fact that it won't run under OpenBSD.)
--saint
I haven't had any luck getting the 2.x family of KDE to build on an OpenBSD box, whether the hardware was x86 or PPC. Which sucks, because I really want to use Konq, and Mozilla won't build at all under Open.
Urg.
Anyhow, has anyone managed to build one of the 3.0 betas under OpenBSD?
--saint
In Tuesday's motion, the states also asked the judge to appoint a technical expert to help provide "impartial opinions on the complex, highly technical issues raised by the parties."
I vote for RMS. When you need a completely impartial expert witness, he's the only logical choice.
--saint
Things have been bad in New Jersey for a while (telecom slump). How are they elsewhere?
As an adopted citizen of Buffalo, things are pretty rough up here. On the up side, though, there's a recession coming up.
Hey, when your city's been in a depression for the last thirty years, a recession is actually a step up.
--saint
Has anyone tried this patch on non-x86 hardware?
I've got a Powermac 7200 I'm playing with YDL on right now...
(Note: I am not a programmer. Should this be something patently obvious to anyone with the most casual knowledge of OS programming, I still don't know. So don't flame me.)
--saint
I once asked a telemarketer if he hated his life, he said he did. I thought it was kinda funny that he admitted it straight out - it was proof that the underbelly world of cheap advertising is evil.
Imagine spending eight hours a day being cussed at, hung up on, threatened, and bullied by both the people on the other end of the phone and your supervisors. No breaks, no advancement, no escape, and barely a living wage.
And that's just what it's like being a tech support phone whore. Imagine how much _worse_ it's gotta be to be some telemarketer.
--saint
What's Geeky and Good for St. Val's this year?
I'm not sure what my girlfriend is getting this year, but after her last birthday I can assure you that it won't be any sort of kitchen appliance.
You know, you'd think that if she said so many times she wanted a toaster over, she'd appreciate it more.
I'm such a lummox.
--saint
One thing that nobody seems to remember was any version of Windows before 3.1.
I've still got the Zenith OEM version of Windows 1.04 around here somewhere - I had a 286 Zenith laptop when I was in college, and someone dug it out of the ITS archives for me.
(College wasn't nearly long enough ago that it was current software -- I think WFW 3.11 was in the labs when I graduated.)
--saint
slashdotters not yet in their dotage may have never seen these 80 column Hollerith field cards
Hell, seems like most Slashdotters don't remember the heady days of the 486 any more, let alone punch cards.
"You mean computers used to have just a command line? Not even Windows 95?"
--saint
(I know, I know, troll. Fuck off.)
It makes no difference since proprietary software will be completely gone in 10-15 years.
--RMS, 1985
Yeah, good luck with that.
--saint
I'd love to hear some other thoughts or examples along these lines.
Neither XFree86 nor Apache are GPLed, and they are considered to be jewels in the opensource crown by many.
--saint
Informative usually means its true.
Are you new?
--saint
Well, the Wired crew were always visionaries in that whenever they'd predict something to be the Next Big Thing it'd always end up in a mysterious state of bankruptcy the next morning.
Push technology. giggle.
--saint
from the can-you-find-the-pulse? dept.
I'm afraid I can't. Then again, Katz probably couldn't find his ass with both hands, a flashlight, a Garmin GPS, a paper map, a host of dental mirrors, and a three hour remedial ass finding course on tape. So I guess that makes us even.
Jon, there's no singular "heart of the net." There's not a single culture out here. And we're not all greasy high school kids with black nail polish. Thanks for oversimplifying, though.
--saint
My experience has been the opposite. Although I've never used XP
Er... this doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, I'm afraid. On what, then, are you basing this experience. W2K alone?
(Haven't used XP myself. The cussing from the next cubicle over dissuades me.)
--saint
BTW, do you think there are more open-source boxes or closed-source boxes in the world of UNIX?
Depends on whether you call Mac OS X closed source because of Quartz, or open source because of Darwin.
I'd be more than willing to bet that Apple's got the highest marketshare in the Unix workstation market now by far.
--saint
For example, I use OpenBSD at home. Say I wrap up OpenBSD and call it "FooSecure - The World's Most Secure OS" and sell it for a hundred dollars a copy, without making anything but cosmetic changes and closing the source.
Oh, I just thought of a better example. Does the version of OpenBSD that Darren Reed released after that whole ipf debacle have any effect at all on the "original" OpenBSD? I find it tough to believe that Theo is exactly worried, whether Reed's software comes with the source or not.
Oh, and whoever keeps modding my posts Flamebait, GFY. Thanks. It's gonna take a lot more mod points than you've got to get rid of my +1.
--saint
GNU is more like "Feel free to drink form this well, but please don't steal the bucket."
Seems to me like the GPL is "feel free to drink from this well, but if you make pasta with the water everyone gets some."
It's impossible to steal the bucket with either license.
For example, I use OpenBSD at home. Say I wrap up OpenBSD and call it "FooSecure - The World's Most Secure OS" and sell it for a hundred dollars a copy, without making anything but cosmetic changes and closing the source.
Does openbsd.org cease to exist? Of course not.
I'm not trying to be a troll, here, but I honestly don't understand how people think the GPL is so free.
(I know, that sounds like "I'm not trying to be a troll, but Emacs suX0rs!". Sorry.)
--saint
Same thing is happening Wine as has been happening
to BSD for years. Get these vampires that forever
suck the life out of projects and do little or
nothing in return for the host.
I'm not a programmer myself, besides some basic scripting and such here and there, so take this with an appropriate grain of salt.
Do people write code in order to write good code and improve the state of computing, or do they do it in order to coerce other programmers into helping along?
It seems to me that the BSD license is representative of the first ideal, and the GPL of the second.
--saint
read through it, and offer commentary
Or don't read through it, and offer blistering and incoherent screeds about the inherent superiority of the GPL.
It's your option, and this _is_ Slashdot, after all.
--saint