Actually, this problem is well known, and if you did not notice, it happens mostly with closed apps. Your problem is due to 3 things: - Flash plugin using the OSS audio system (instead of alsa), and worse, being based on Java, it locks the audio system afterwards (and leaks memory sometimes !!!) - Your sound card does not accept multiple audio streams, which is the case for most audio cards - Your distro did not setup the dmix ALSA plugin (for ALSA and OSS emulation)
This can be dealt with with a proper ALSA configuration. There are plenty of docs on this, not all accurate or recent. But the distro should take care of this. They are in the process of doing it. Of course, with my custom Linux, I have no more problem of this kind for a long time.
Yes yes, the old WORKSFORME response. The truth is that not everyone owns hardware that works in Windows.
I know because I do and a lot of device makers have a "upgrade to our latest device cause we do not support Windows XP with this old device". And these devices all work fine, even better in Linux.
The thing is that my: - TV Card (now it does more or less with free tools but I do not use Windows anymore) - SCSI Scanner - forgot one do not work in Windows XP, only option was to buy another device, and the scanner that was stuttering and bringing Windows XP to a halt run smoothly and without any hitch on Linux.
Why you see a problem where most people see none ?
That is because you have exceptionnal eyes and brain which are able to see the occasional redraw problem at more than 60 fps when interacting with your desktop. With a minimum refresh at 72 Hz, most people will NOT see the occasional tearing.
BTW, you use completely inadequate terms. What you are describing is certainly not called slowness, it is called artifacts. Oh wait. You yourself call them artifacts. So please choose : is this slowness or artifacts. They are not the same thing. That would be like saying that your DVD player is slow because when you press the fast forward key, the display is not smooth.
No publisher will now take a risk on innovative games, unless they're self-funded (like Lionhead Studios) or made in developing countries(the Codemasters approach).
I strongly disagree with that. I think most people that say that only play on easily pirated consoles: XBox, PS, PS2 mostly. Also, I see that all of these talks or articles are targeted to one type of games (processing power and the like, it is all about 3D).
Why I think that you say ? Because I happen to be a gamer, not hardcore, just a gamer. Guess what ? I see plenty of innovative games, from one company, the one that makes the hardest to pirate home console : Nintendo (and that is because NEC is no more). But you will not see a lot of people playing these games, because they would actually have to buy them. I bought one GameCube, and now buy everyone of their console for the innovation and quality in their games (not the ports, they are as bad on any console). Heck, it is the ONLY console manufacturer that do games that EVERYONE in the family (me, wife, child) is actually willing to play (even bug me to play with them !!). I'm always amazed by their innovation, and by the risk they take. So no, I do not agree with you. Nintendo take risks too (Pokemon, Zelda, DK series, FF Chronicles,...), and now the DS is coming with its share of innovative games (and it is better for some like FF Chronicles).
Most of the reasons for "Bloat", "Lax Security", and "Instability" are because of constant need to keep every version/update to Windows compatible with even the earliest versions
Wrong, this is due to bad design with rubber tape all other the place. Other technos are even more compatible with even older apps than on Windows, but they are better designed, so, the OS do not become so buggy with age (old X apps, Unix).
With this Service Pack, a bazillion people voiced out that they want security
Wrong again. Most people on Windows do not even understand security. Or they would all have left long before the wave of worms and virus affecting these OS. This was forced down their throat because other systems that are cheaper (Linux) obviously were far better in respect of security.
The people you talk about are not stupid as you like to say, they are uneducated. The difference is in who has to take the blame.
When you talk, I see clearly you put the blame on the user ("they are stupid"), but IMHO, with me being a linux user, where most app with dangerous consequences put a dialog before your face explaining to you why it is dangerous (the OS try to educate you), the blame is clearly on Microsoft. MS do not try to educate their users, making them believe their OS deals with every problem instead.
MS fan boys should start showing respect to their fellow users, at least as much as linux users do.
Except that here, it is not head-in-the-sand, it is common sense : if someone is lying to you about a problem you have to fix, you will stupidly go and try to fix it even though there is no problem ? You insult the Linux group intelligence with your talk. A competent admin (or competent anything) will try to understand the flaw before trying to fix it. And that is what critics here are doing, but you do not and then come bashing them ? How arrogant. RTFA : there is NO study, it is based on NO real experiment. Search a bit : the two of these self called "researchers" are MS shills. Now people like you can continue insulting the intelligence of OSS community, I have no problem with that as long as the community pass you by without listening.
Legitimate claims are dealt with with the resources available. If you were part of the community, you would know that.
And I strongly disagree with what you say about a Windows server being easily secured. That is just not true. Even experts have a hard time doing it. And given my experience with Win2003 servers (installed and administered by experts, not by me) or even netcraft, I call BS on your claim of it being stable.
Old school Linux users really are the worst thing for their chosen platform... Newer users are clamoring for more features, or at least features similar to what they're used to on Windows, and older users are doing nothing except for belittling developers efforts to deliver a better linux experience.
I think you are mistaken on this part. You have it backwards. Old school linux users know what they are talking about. The very developers you are talking about are old school linux users. The new users you talk about are asking for X to go (or at least the network part of X) !! They do not understand what they are talking about either.
Even the features you are talking about come from old school linux users. So show more respect to them.
People on Fluxbox (or other WM) because they prefer it (not because they have to) reminds me more of old school UNIX users than old school LINUX users.
I'm an old school linux user myself (if it has any sense), and I have met a lot of old school unix users. And the behaviour you describe is more a unix user one than a linux user one imho.
So because.NET is stable (though I do not know what this means, I assume you mean the API), apps developped for it are stable ???? What kind of nonsense is this ? I'm really starting to get pissed off about people who tell such nonsense. Worse, you are being dishonest, if not a shill, for comparing it to Java. One thing the author of the article has lied about (or has no clue about) and you fail to see is that.NET is not cross-platform, while Java is (or at least tries to be). And if that matters to you, it far surpass any perceived advantage of.NET, which is still a completely x86 Windows product. And no, Mono (which is cross platform) is far from being.NET. And I guess a competent Java developer will still be way faster in Java than in.NET, specially if he does not code in Windows environment (VStudio).
I think all of this is wishful thinking (though I agree with the use of virtual PC). History will eventually prove me wrong if needs be...
Once Longhorn comes out, Microsoft will again be so far ahead, it won't be easy, or even possible, for enthusiasts to catch up. Right now they're essentially standing still. They've put all their efforts into LH, there's nothing going on with XP except for service packs/bugfixes. Now is the perfect time to release a really polished Linux desktop that would be simple to setup and use.
I hope MS will be far ahead of WinXP with LH, because the polished Linux desktops were released in 2001 (the time I switched, as WinXP had become unusable when compared to a Gnome or KDE desktop), and are gradually improving ever since.
When Longhorn comes out, Microsoft, and folks who develop for Windows, will surge ahead REALLY fast. Here's why: 1. The entire OS will be accessible through a set of managed APIs. This makes coding 10 times easier and faster, and raises productivity to unprecedented levels. This also makes buffer overflows and some other security issues a thing of the past.
No clue wishful thinking. I'm not impressed. The Windows architecture is flawed already. No amount of code can fix it. Redesigning Windows (for multiuser and for the internet) would be far better.
2. New, resolution independent, vector based, GPU-enabled UI engine. Two years from Longhorn release people will be buying 200+ DPI displays because things look a lot better on them. What's KDE/Gnome users gonna do? That's right, try to discern tiny non-scalable icons on these displays.
Actually, I started using beautiful scalable (SVG) icons and fonts at worst in 2002 on my Gnome desktop... You and LongHorn are pretty late I must say. So, on my 100 dpi 22" monitor (in 1600x1200), the desktop is pretty sharp and the icons and fonts are like they should be, even if I change resolution. I bet it will be the same with 200+ dpi monitors.
3. Completely new UI, including some significant paradigm changes.
Do you mean MS actually invented something ? That will not be a ripoff of Mac OS X, Linux or other desktops ? Now I'm impressed. I've seen nothing of the kind till now, but I suppose it is secret.
4. Seamless integration of client and server side (that's what XAML is all about, IMHO). Your webapps will actually run sandboxed.NET code on your machine. Kind of like applets, but the entire webapp will be built out of them. Just think about the possibilities there.
I'm a user, I have no need for your webapps. And client and server should not be integrated either, that is nonsense. The server should run the app, not me, so I do not need anything sandboxed. I think of the possibilities for a lot of virus yes.
5. Reliable Web Services - Indigo, web services that don't suck. More importantly, web service protocol that's supported by the majority of computers in the world (when most people upgrade). And you can bet your ass they will upgrade, just like a couple of years after W95 was released almost everyone ran W95.
I fail to understand how you can talk about "web service protocol". What is that, isn't it HTTP ? It is an open protocol, like they all should be on the internet. The internet is not MSN you know, that is a world for everyone, not just for Windows users.
The most important thing is, all of this will be available to Windows users out of the box, without any tweaking/recompiling/downloading dependencies. That's where the real strength of this all is. Developers will be able to rely on this stuff when building next-gen apps and be reasonably sure that if a user runs Longhorn, the app will run there.
Your description looks like what is already present in Windows now : ActiveX, Direct X,... I see no improvement. Will it all be open ? That would be an improvement.
It's time to stop copying Windows XP, folks. It's time to start copying Longhorn. Gnome devs have already realised that.
I never heard of gnomeflexiserver. I am pretty sure you meant gdmflexiserver, and yes, like its name implies, it comes with the gdm package.
This has no issue of itself, and I do not see the added functionality in making the screensaver execute this app. I even see it as a security risk. GDM actually comes *below* xscreensaver, and I see it as a security risk to let xscreensaver run apps below itself.
And if you run as another user, it DOES NOT bog down the other users, provided they know that they can use which Ctrl-Alt-Fx combination to switch back to their session. This DOES NOT take over the 3D functionality of the graphics card either. Some of this was true in 2001, not anymore. I switched to Linux in Jan 2001 with three sessions at once, and had some issue back then. Not anymore. Though I agree I disabled 3D screensavers at the time because the nvidia drivers where locking my machine after one week (and besides, I did not need 3 screensavers at the same time on the machine, as only one was viewable). Then it worked perfectly. Now, I disabled it again, because it does not play well with the new XOrg compositing.
Perhaps your user having no sound is due to the facts that: - Only authorized users (read : part of the right group) have access to the soundcard (yes, on Linux, everybody can not do anything they like with the underlying hardware, security and all) - your.asoundrc is private to your account, you need a global conf for ALSA.
This is not even a kludge. The functionality of gdmflexiserver uses the very functionality a lot of people want to see removed from X : network transparency (even if it does not uses the networ in your case). What you are asking for is a kludge. How do you make the difference about users if they have the same session ? You are asking for cooperative sessions (like in WinXP), instead of simultaneous ones. Of course it saves resources, as it is cooperative, you never have problem with managing resources either. I understand now why you request the screensaver launching the dm : you want Windows insecure and kludgy behaviour.
XP never had the functionality, so how can you say it had it for ages ? I do not know for MacOSX, but I know that Win XP does not. And you have it backwards : that is Win XP that has to catch up to Linux DEs.
I use such a setup on Linux since 2001 when I finished switching from Windows. I tried the same setup as I have on Windows XP : it just does not work. Let me tell you, with Win XP Pro: - You can not switch users when you have your accounts on the network. Well, let's say we abandon this HUGE functionality (I lost numerous files and windows crashed itself beyond recoverability due to it crashing with local session, borking its own files, never happened with session on the Linux server, which never crashed btw) So we are in local session: - A user have no way to switch to its session without interfering with your session (meaning with accel keys) - You can not have concurrent desktop app, as you are not really running 2 sessions (or more) at once
If I test a video on my gnome desktop (with sound) and my wife and switch to her desktop (with Ctrl-Alt-F8, sth she learned very fast), and launch a video, you can still hear mine, the sounds are mixed together (it actually happened once). I can not recall all exactly how my experience went in 2001 with Windows XP, but I remember pretty well that it was pretty bad compared to the linux desktop back then, specially when comparing desktop switching. I saw pretty fast that the Windows one was a kludge and was not working. I seem to remember virtualdub crashing when I switched user while it was working on a video. And RealPlayer too. Oh even WMP !!!
Win XP has a long way to catch up, and Gnome (and KDE) are a lot better than in 2001 now.
And there is a page full of explanations and links to different docs when you first install a Mandrake distro (I'm not counting the printed one that comes in each box). And it pops up each time you login until you actually read the page, where it is indicated how to stop it from popping up.
So perhaps you should try actually using what you criticise, and stop talking out of your a**.
I actually installed a lot of Mandrake around me. I did not forced it on anyone, just waited for the Windows to crash beyond recoverability (they ALL did, so much for ready for the desktop), and said I will not do any Windows maintenance anymore : only Linux maintenance. And I saw how the newbie work. And they never use search, they click on the MP3 and expect it to work. They DO NOT read dialogs. Some dialogs (amarok for exemple) keep popping up, telling them what to do, they never read them and keep closing the window. When I ask why, they tell me in Windows it is constant and it never works, and the messages are impossible to understand, so they are bored. I'm forced to tell them Windows is shit but Linux is way better, and they have to change their behaviour, they should learn to read again, leave the Windows puker state. All that to say a Linux distro is still not perfect, but they are well better than Windows, and you see it most when you hear all the bad experiences people have with this OS, causing them to do all sort of stupid workarounds.
No Linux distro expects "mums and dads" to do.configure.... Actually, it is DISCOURAGED.
With your "Windows-is-perfect-centric-biased" view, without even noticing it, you bypass all the real problems with the Windows model. What is Hallmark Card Studio ? What is Blues Clues ? Why "choose" these apps ? Isn't there a lot of choice of these types of software ? How "mums and dads" even got aware of these softs ? They have to actually leave their house to get the software ? How much does it cost ? Who will install this (newbies are afraid of any dialog) ? Assuming it will install, will it work ? You say it will, nothing is less sure. Even games come with RELEASE NOTES full of identified problems !!! They can get all these problems. Worse, they do, assuming the countless hours I lost helping people on this OS.
Contrast this with a Linux distro : no need to leave house, everything is there in the distro, nothing to pay, the description is there with a search button to find what you need. Documentation ? Mandrake comes with at least one full manual in each box, with PDF versions on the net http://www1.mandrakelinux.com/docs/Outputs/ !!! Installation of software is a breeze.
I am european (french actually). I see the only thing Windows has left for it, is that it is ubiquitous. USA people do not see it, but there are A LOT of problems due to internationalisation (i18n) and localization (l10n) in Windows, that are properly dealt with in Linux (do not know OSX). I see that americans just forget these problems, when justifying grave design choices in Windows (like no difference between different case of characters). And I see that when Windows comes out on top in a comparison, that is because the comparaison is Windows centric.
The marketshare of Windows is the reason for many "hardware advancements". Without a standardised operating system, hardware would have never been standardisted, and thus would have been unable to progress.
Wrong, it is not "the" reason, at most it is one of the reasons. USB did not take off (and were even dismissed by Windows mags at the time) before Apple integrated it in their Mac. And when Apple did that, they were laughed at by the Windows folks... And Apple sure did not have the Windows market share. I could say the same for FireWire, even nowadays, FireWire is still dismissed by a lot of people. And second sentence is false, because there is no "standardised OS". Or define that. Is it Windows 98 ?
Almost any company will only make products that are as good as the customer wants them. This is why people buy economy priced cars and everyone is not driving BMWs.
You are making it backwards. Even worse, you mix customer and consumer. Given the price of a car, car companies are still forced to treat you as a customer. When you buy Windows, you are just a consumer. The $99 price include almost NO service. You do not even have a useful complete printed manual with Windows (hence all the books sold for that). WAY different from a car where you can even make the price go down.
Sure a BMW is better, but it costs a lot more to produce and few people are willing to spend the extra money to own one. Would you be willing to pay three times as much for Windows if it were a much better product? I doubt it. Everyone complains because it costs $99 now.
I'm not sure about your "BMW is bette. Certainly it is not for me. You are confused about "it is more expensive and everyone know it, so I can show off" against "it is better". Why do you think there are quotas on japanese cars (even here in Europe) that gives you more bang for the bucks ? As in japanese cars are better and yet cheaper... Windows is not the better product. Would you have talked about Apple, it would have been more believable.
This is true for everything, in every business. When you buy in bulk, you get discounts. It's a common business practise.
Wrong again. A lot of businesses buy by bulk, and make YOU, the consumer, profit on the discount. The businesses make their living by selling big quantities. I think they are called discounters in american. As the focus was on the consumer, you end up NOT buying in bulk, and STILL getting the discounts.
Would you buy a car that your neighbour built himself for one fifth the price of a "mass produced" car that you knew you'd never be able to find anyone to work on it? That doesn't make any sense. When you're buying a product that is going to need support you'll generally want a product that will have support available. Buying/using products that aren't widely used isn't a great practise. Especially in business.
Good try. Except that in the real case discussed here, there IS support, so you WILL find someone to work on it. And even if every one followed your "great practises", mankind would still be stuck in stone age.
Big companies get patents because they come up with original ideas and they patent them. It isn't their fault that someone else didn't come up with the idea first or was too lazy to patent it.
OMG, amazing ! I understand now, you are completely brainwashed, specially if you truly believe that !!
Just remember that Microsoft was, at one time, a small company. They obviously did *something* right.
Yes, "something" : they screwed a bigger one. Doing sth right is not the same as doing sth righteously.
Quit your bitching, because it really doesn't matter. Microsoft is here, they own a majority of the desktop market, and they're not going away anytime soon.
Even sitting on your elephant, you should beware the mouse
What are you refering to ? At least there is no flaw in this case. Worst thing is that by default, MySQL comes with only connections allowed from localhost. So, MySQL folks took all available steps to secure a first install. Now, if your MySQL package provider ships with insecure settings, that is not MySQL fault.
OMG !! If they could implement this soon enough, it would help Cobra (<URL:http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=612>) to counter the secret move of false king Babel of Sodes sword men race (episode 21);)...
Most FOSS platforms are built on GNU software (so, on GPL or LGPL software). Without GNU, you do not even have an OS to build your app upon. Most graphics DE (Gnome, KDE) are GPL.
So, using Sun's patents prevents you from using a FOSS OS (Solaris is still not one to this day), or even the Linux kernel.
So this as exactly NO USE for the vast wealth of Free Software out there. That is where you can start to see that Free Software is a lot better for everyone than Open Source. Because yes CDDL is an Open Source licence, but not compatible with Free Software.
releasing full specs for these devices could enable them to transmit in unwanted frequencies, which means they would have problems with organisms like the FCC
Who again would be liable ? So if someone tweaks its adapter, the producer of the hardware is liable ? Seems strange to me. Whatever, worse is coming...
partial specs (enough to have a basic, working driver) would calm the OSS zealots
So in your mind, someone who uses OSS and have no working driver (not even binary) for its legally bought WiFi adapter, then who begs for a driver for Linux, or even worse, some specs to make the driver himself, is a zealot !!? You work for WiFi adapter provider right ?
I'm a big fan of console RPG (like Squaresoft ones, Enix ones, Capcom ones, the ones on Sega consoles,...). I have a ton of them, have played a lot of them, and still a lot more to play. And still, I love Battle for Wesnoth, and find it very addictive.
And even though sth like Baldur's Gate was my dream game (I imagined I would code some RPG exactly like that when I was young, except in isometric tiles), I had a hard time finishing it (it was boring), and I still never managed to play more than 2 hours of BG2, which I bought the day it came out.
What you say is blatantly false. TuxRacer IS built reliably. What is not reliable, is someone like you installing free distro from the web, without knowing what you are doing, when they are advertised as for "experienced linux users".
You talk about Mandrake, but the commercial Mandrake distro include automatic NVidia drivers install and update. This is what a standard user would buy, we are talking about commercial here. And this is what you should be using, not sth you obviously do not have any knowledge on, but do not hesitate to bash.
The "most distributions" you talk about are the free ones on the web. There is no way a commercial app like a commercial game would support so many moving targets like Linux distro...
What you say is nonsense, and the UT2004 example should have woke you up. A game is just another application, and applications install without any problem on any Linux distro, with graphical installers and all.
The problem has nothing to do with Linux in itself, it is in the developers of these games. Most non commercial games install without problem on any Linux distro.
The platform is not responsible for the lack of polish developers put in commercial games port for Linux. Tell me about market share or whatever, but stop saying such nonsense.
Gaming games DESIGNED FOR WINDOWS is more complex in Linux than in Linux... Well DUH ! Of course it is !
All the games (most non commercial) developped with FOSS in mind has no problem installing and running in Linux distro environment.
This is stupid discussion anyway. That is as if I would dismiss Windows as a gaming platform, because no Playstation emulator for Windows works correctly with most Playstation games, or the experience is far worse on Windows. And based on the fact that consoles are DESIGNED to run games, I can paraphrase you: "I'm simply pointing out the accurate fact that gaming on Windows is a lot more complex than gaming on Playstation and almost always involves some user input and/or configuration beyond put the CD in the box".
The "Answering the critics" part (from MS) contradicts the reports (from MS) that people in these country (where this Windows is to be released) are replacing Linux with Windows (on PC sold with Linux). I wonder how a great deal of the population do not know what to do with Windows (MS people assure you they have done the research for that) and yet are able to install Windows.
In Europe, people that know what to do with Windows do not necessarily know how to install it.
OMG, do you even know what you are talking about ?
I do not know 4NT, but from your example, I am pretty sure you do not know a lot about bash or even ksh. All the features you cite are already present in bash, and then a lot more. Saying shell scripting language is irrelevant today feels just plain arrogant and uneducated to me. Did you even hear about the shell commands ? script ? shell editor mode ? screen ? And bash is not stagnant, bash 3.0 was released some days ago for christ sake, with new features too. Thanks to GNU, shells are not stagnant and from solutions I still provide to companies today, with shell scripts, I can assure you it is not irrelevant.
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Actually, this problem is well known, and if you did not notice, it happens mostly with closed apps. :
Your problem is due to 3 things
- Flash plugin using the OSS audio system (instead of alsa), and worse, being based on Java, it locks the audio system afterwards (and leaks memory sometimes !!!)
- Your sound card does not accept multiple audio streams, which is the case for most audio cards
- Your distro did not setup the dmix ALSA plugin (for ALSA and OSS emulation)
This can be dealt with with a proper ALSA configuration. There are plenty of docs on this, not all accurate or recent. But the distro should take care of this. They are in the process of doing it.
Of course, with my custom Linux, I have no more problem of this kind for a long time.
Yes yes, the old WORKSFORME response. The truth is that not everyone owns hardware that works in Windows.
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I know because I do and a lot of device makers have a "upgrade to our latest device cause we do not support Windows XP with this old device". And these devices all work fine, even better in Linux.
The thing is that my
- TV Card (now it does more or less with free tools but I do not use Windows anymore)
- SCSI Scanner
- forgot one
do not work in Windows XP, only option was to buy another device, and the scanner that was stuttering and bringing Windows XP to a halt run smoothly and without any hitch on Linux.
Why you see a problem where most people see none ?
That is because you have exceptionnal eyes and brain which are able to see the occasional redraw problem at more than 60 fps when interacting with your desktop.
With a minimum refresh at 72 Hz, most people will NOT see the occasional tearing.
BTW, you use completely inadequate terms. What you are describing is certainly not called slowness, it is called artifacts. Oh wait. You yourself call them artifacts. So please choose : is this slowness or artifacts. They are not the same thing.
That would be like saying that your DVD player is slow because when you press the fast forward key, the display is not smooth.
No publisher will now take a risk on innovative games, unless they're self-funded (like Lionhead Studios) or made in developing countries(the Codemasters approach).
...), and now the DS is coming with its share of innovative games (and it is better for some like FF Chronicles).
I strongly disagree with that.
I think most people that say that only play on easily pirated consoles: XBox, PS, PS2 mostly.
Also, I see that all of these talks or articles are targeted to one type of games (processing power and the like, it is all about 3D).
Why I think that you say ?
Because I happen to be a gamer, not hardcore, just a gamer. Guess what ? I see plenty of innovative games, from one company, the one that makes the hardest to pirate home console : Nintendo (and that is because NEC is no more).
But you will not see a lot of people playing these games, because they would actually have to buy them. I bought one GameCube, and now buy everyone of their console for the innovation and quality in their games (not the ports, they are as bad on any console).
Heck, it is the ONLY console manufacturer that do games that EVERYONE in the family (me, wife, child) is actually willing to play (even bug me to play with them !!).
I'm always amazed by their innovation, and by the risk they take. So no, I do not agree with you.
Nintendo take risks too (Pokemon, Zelda, DK series, FF Chronicles,
Most of the reasons for "Bloat", "Lax Security", and "Instability" are because of constant need to keep every version/update to Windows compatible with even the earliest versions
Wrong, this is due to bad design with rubber tape all other the place. Other technos are even more compatible with even older apps than on Windows, but they are better designed, so, the OS do not become so buggy with age (old X apps, Unix).
With this Service Pack, a bazillion people voiced out that they want security
Wrong again. Most people on Windows do not even understand security. Or they would all have left long before the wave of worms and virus affecting these OS. This was forced down their throat because other systems that are cheaper (Linux) obviously were far better in respect of security.
Are you implying that in MS environment, Windows XP SP2 is bleeding edge ?!!!
Just one correction.
The people you talk about are not stupid as you like to say, they are uneducated.
The difference is in who has to take the blame.
When you talk, I see clearly you put the blame on the user ("they are stupid"), but IMHO, with me being a linux user, where most app with dangerous consequences put a dialog before your face explaining to you why it is dangerous (the OS try to educate you), the blame is clearly on Microsoft. MS do not try to educate their users, making them believe their OS deals with every problem instead.
MS fan boys should start showing respect to their fellow users, at least as much as linux users do.
Except that here, it is not head-in-the-sand, it is common sense : if someone is lying to you about a problem you have to fix, you will stupidly go and try to fix it even though there is no problem ?
You insult the Linux group intelligence with your talk.
A competent admin (or competent anything) will try to understand the flaw before trying to fix it.
And that is what critics here are doing, but you do not and then come bashing them ? How arrogant.
RTFA : there is NO study, it is based on NO real experiment. Search a bit : the two of these self called "researchers" are MS shills.
Now people like you can continue insulting the intelligence of OSS community, I have no problem with that as long as the community pass you by without listening.
Legitimate claims are dealt with with the resources available. If you were part of the community, you would know that.
Both Linux and Windows servers can be secured very easily. The XP desktop might still have issues, but Win2k3 server is solid and secure.
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Yeah right, please go look there http://www.eeye.com/html/research/advisories/AD20
and stop the BS about 2003 being secure.
And I strongly disagree with what you say about a Windows server being easily secured. That is just not true. Even experts have a hard time doing it.
And given my experience with Win2003 servers (installed and administered by experts, not by me) or even netcraft, I call BS on your claim of it being stable.
Old school Linux users really are the worst thing for their chosen platform... Newer users are clamoring for more features, or at least features similar to what they're used to on Windows, and older users are doing nothing except for belittling developers efforts to deliver a better linux experience.
I think you are mistaken on this part.
You have it backwards. Old school linux users know what they are talking about. The very developers you are talking about are old school linux users.
The new users you talk about are asking for X to go (or at least the network part of X) !! They do not understand what they are talking about either.
Even the features you are talking about come from old school linux users. So show more respect to them.
People on Fluxbox (or other WM) because they prefer it (not because they have to) reminds me more of old school UNIX users than old school LINUX users.
I'm an old school linux user myself (if it has any sense), and I have met a lot of old school unix users. And the behaviour you describe is more a unix user one than a linux user one imho.
So because .NET is stable (though I do not know what this means, I assume you mean the API), apps developped for it are stable ???? What kind of nonsense is this ? .NET is not cross-platform, while Java is (or at least tries to be). And if that matters to you, it far surpass any perceived advantage of .NET, which is still a completely x86 Windows product. .NET. .NET, specially if he does not code in Windows environment (VStudio).
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I'm really starting to get pissed off about people who tell such nonsense.
Worse, you are being dishonest, if not a shill, for comparing it to Java.
One thing the author of the article has lied about (or has no clue about) and you fail to see is that
And no, Mono (which is cross platform) is far from being
And I guess a competent Java developer will still be way faster in Java than in
I think all of this is wishful thinking (though I agree with the use of virtual PC). History will eventually prove me wrong if needs be
Once Longhorn comes out, Microsoft will again be so far ahead, it won't be easy, or even possible, for enthusiasts to catch up. Right now they're essentially standing still. They've put all their efforts into LH, there's nothing going on with XP except for service packs/bugfixes. Now is the perfect time to release a really polished Linux desktop that would be simple to setup and use.
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.NET code on your machine. Kind of like applets, but the entire webapp will be built out of them. Just think about the possibilities there.
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I hope MS will be far ahead of WinXP with LH, because the polished Linux desktops were released in 2001 (the time I switched, as WinXP had become unusable when compared to a Gnome or KDE desktop), and are gradually improving ever since.
When Longhorn comes out, Microsoft, and folks who develop for Windows, will surge ahead REALLY fast.
Here's why:
1. The entire OS will be accessible through a set of managed APIs. This makes coding 10 times easier and faster, and raises productivity to unprecedented levels. This also makes buffer overflows and some other security issues a thing of the past.
No clue wishful thinking. I'm not impressed. The Windows architecture is flawed already. No amount of code can fix it. Redesigning Windows (for multiuser and for the internet) would be far better.
2. New, resolution independent, vector based, GPU-enabled UI engine. Two years from Longhorn release people will be buying 200+ DPI displays because things look a lot better on them. What's KDE/Gnome users gonna do? That's right, try to discern tiny non-scalable icons on these displays.
Actually, I started using beautiful scalable (SVG) icons and fonts at worst in 2002 on my Gnome desktop
So, on my 100 dpi 22" monitor (in 1600x1200), the desktop is pretty sharp and the icons and fonts are like they should be, even if I change resolution. I bet it will be the same with 200+ dpi monitors.
3. Completely new UI, including some significant paradigm changes.
Do you mean MS actually invented something ? That will not be a ripoff of Mac OS X, Linux or other desktops ? Now I'm impressed.
I've seen nothing of the kind till now, but I suppose it is secret.
4. Seamless integration of client and server side (that's what XAML is all about, IMHO). Your webapps will actually run sandboxed
I'm a user, I have no need for your webapps. And client and server should not be integrated either, that is nonsense. The server should run the app, not me, so I do not need anything sandboxed. I think of the possibilities for a lot of virus yes.
5. Reliable Web Services - Indigo, web services that don't suck. More importantly, web service protocol that's supported by the majority of computers in the world (when most people upgrade). And you can bet your ass they will upgrade, just like a couple of years after W95 was released almost everyone ran W95.
I fail to understand how you can talk about "web service protocol". What is that, isn't it HTTP ? It is an open protocol, like they all should be on the internet. The internet is not MSN you know, that is a world for everyone, not just for Windows users.
The most important thing is, all of this will be available to Windows users out of the box, without any tweaking/recompiling/downloading dependencies. That's where the real strength of this all is. Developers will be able to rely on this stuff when building next-gen apps and be reasonably sure that if a user runs Longhorn, the app will run there.
Your description looks like what is already present in Windows now : ActiveX, Direct X,
I see no improvement. Will it all be open ? That would be an improvement.
It's time to stop copying Windows XP, folks. It's time to start copying Longhorn. Gnome devs have already realised that.
Who is copying Windows XP or
I never heard of gnomeflexiserver. I am pretty sure you meant gdmflexiserver, and yes, like its name implies, it comes with the gdm package.
: .asoundrc is private to your account, you need a global conf for ALSA.
: :
This has no issue of itself, and I do not see the added functionality in making the screensaver execute this app. I even see it as a security risk. GDM actually comes *below* xscreensaver, and I see it as a security risk to let xscreensaver run apps below itself.
And if you run as another user, it DOES NOT bog down the other users, provided they know that they can use which Ctrl-Alt-Fx combination to switch back to their session. This DOES NOT take over the 3D functionality of the graphics card either. Some of this was true in 2001, not anymore. I switched to Linux in Jan 2001 with three sessions at once, and had some issue back then. Not anymore. Though I agree I disabled 3D screensavers at the time because the nvidia drivers where locking my machine after one week (and besides, I did not need 3 screensavers at the same time on the machine, as only one was viewable). Then it worked perfectly. Now, I disabled it again, because it does not play well with the new XOrg compositing.
Perhaps your user having no sound is due to the facts that
- Only authorized users (read : part of the right group) have access to the soundcard (yes, on Linux, everybody can not do anything they like with the underlying hardware, security and all)
- your
This is not even a kludge. The functionality of gdmflexiserver uses the very functionality a lot of people want to see removed from X : network transparency (even if it does not uses the networ in your case). What you are asking for is a kludge. How do you make the difference about users if they have the same session ?
You are asking for cooperative sessions (like in WinXP), instead of simultaneous ones. Of course it saves resources, as it is cooperative, you never have problem with managing resources either. I understand now why you request the screensaver launching the dm : you want Windows insecure and kludgy behaviour.
XP never had the functionality, so how can you say it had it for ages ? I do not know for MacOSX, but I know that Win XP does not.
And you have it backwards : that is Win XP that has to catch up to Linux DEs.
I use such a setup on Linux since 2001 when I finished switching from Windows. I tried the same setup as I have on Windows XP : it just does not work. Let me tell you, with Win XP Pro
- You can not switch users when you have your accounts on the network. Well, let's say we abandon this HUGE functionality (I lost numerous files and windows crashed itself beyond recoverability due to it crashing with local session, borking its own files, never happened with session on the Linux server, which never crashed btw)
So we are in local session
- A user have no way to switch to its session without interfering with your session (meaning with accel keys)
- You can not have concurrent desktop app, as you are not really running 2 sessions (or more) at once
If I test a video on my gnome desktop (with sound) and my wife and switch to her desktop (with Ctrl-Alt-F8, sth she learned very fast), and launch a video, you can still hear mine, the sounds are mixed together (it actually happened once). I can not recall all exactly how my experience went in 2001 with Windows XP, but I remember pretty well that it was pretty bad compared to the linux desktop back then, specially when comparing desktop switching. I saw pretty fast that the Windows one was a kludge and was not working.
I seem to remember virtualdub crashing when I switched user while it was working on a video. And RealPlayer too. Oh even WMP !!!
Win XP has a long way to catch up, and Gnome (and KDE) are a lot better than in 2001 now.
http://www1.mandrakelinux.com/docs/Outputs/
And there is a page full of explanations and links to different docs when you first install a Mandrake distro (I'm not counting the printed one that comes in each box). And it pops up each time you login until you actually read the page, where it is indicated how to stop it from popping up.
So perhaps you should try actually using what you criticise, and stop talking out of your a**.
I actually installed a lot of Mandrake around me. I did not forced it on anyone, just waited for the Windows to crash beyond recoverability (they ALL did, so much for ready for the desktop), and said I will not do any Windows maintenance anymore : only Linux maintenance. And I saw how the newbie work. And they never use search, they click on the MP3 and expect it to work. They DO NOT read dialogs. Some dialogs (amarok for exemple) keep popping up, telling them what to do, they never read them and keep closing the window. When I ask why, they tell me in Windows it is constant and it never works, and the messages are impossible to understand, so they are bored. I'm forced to tell them Windows is shit but Linux is way better, and they have to change their behaviour, they should learn to read again, leave the Windows puker state.
All that to say a Linux distro is still not perfect, but they are well better than Windows, and you see it most when you hear all the bad experiences people have with this OS, causing them to do all sort of stupid workarounds.
No Linux distro expects "mums and dads" to do .configure .... Actually, it is DISCOURAGED.
With your "Windows-is-perfect-centric-biased" view, without even noticing it, you bypass all the real problems with the Windows model.
What is Hallmark Card Studio ? What is Blues Clues ? Why "choose" these apps ? Isn't there a lot of choice of these types of software ?
How "mums and dads" even got aware of these softs ? They have to actually leave their house to get the software ? How much does it cost ?
Who will install this (newbies are afraid of any dialog) ? Assuming it will install, will it work ? You say it will, nothing is less sure. Even games come with RELEASE NOTES full of identified problems !!!
They can get all these problems. Worse, they do, assuming the countless hours I lost helping people on this OS.
Contrast this with a Linux distro : no need to leave house, everything is there in the distro, nothing to pay, the description is there with a search button to find what you need. Documentation ? Mandrake comes with at least one full manual in each box, with PDF versions on the net http://www1.mandrakelinux.com/docs/Outputs/ !!! Installation of software is a breeze.
I am european (french actually). I see the only thing Windows has left for it, is that it is ubiquitous. USA people do not see it, but there are A LOT of problems due to internationalisation (i18n) and localization (l10n) in Windows, that are properly dealt with in Linux (do not know OSX). I see that americans just forget these problems, when justifying grave design choices in Windows (like no difference between different case of characters). And I see that when Windows comes out on top in a comparison, that is because the comparaison is Windows centric.
The marketshare of Windows is the reason for many "hardware advancements". Without a standardised operating system, hardware would have never been standardisted, and thus would have been unable to progress.
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Wrong, it is not "the" reason, at most it is one of the reasons.
USB did not take off (and were even dismissed by Windows mags at the time) before Apple integrated it in their Mac.
And when Apple did that, they were laughed at by the Windows folks
And Apple sure did not have the Windows market share.
I could say the same for FireWire, even nowadays, FireWire is still dismissed by a lot of people.
And second sentence is false, because there is no "standardised OS". Or define that. Is it Windows 98 ?
Almost any company will only make products that are as good as the customer wants them.
This is why people buy economy priced cars and everyone is not driving BMWs.
You are making it backwards. Even worse, you mix customer and consumer.
Given the price of a car, car companies are still forced to treat you as a customer.
When you buy Windows, you are just a consumer. The $99 price include almost NO service.
You do not even have a useful complete printed manual with Windows (hence all the books sold for that).
WAY different from a car where you can even make the price go down.
Sure a BMW is better, but it costs a lot more to produce and few people are willing to spend the extra money to own one.
Would you be willing to pay three times as much for Windows if it were a much better product? I doubt it.
Everyone complains because it costs $99 now.
I'm not sure about your "BMW is bette. Certainly it is not for me.
You are confused about "it is more expensive and everyone know it, so I can show off" against "it is better".
Why do you think there are quotas on japanese cars (even here in Europe) that gives you more bang for the bucks ?
As in japanese cars are better and yet cheaper
Windows is not the better product. Would you have talked about Apple, it would have been more believable.
This is true for everything, in every business. When you buy in bulk, you get discounts.
It's a common business practise.
Wrong again. A lot of businesses buy by bulk, and make YOU, the consumer, profit on the discount.
The businesses make their living by selling big quantities. I think they are called discounters in american.
As the focus was on the consumer, you end up NOT buying in bulk, and STILL getting the discounts.
Would you buy a car that your neighbour built himself for one fifth the price of a "mass produced" car
that you knew you'd never be able to find anyone to work on it? That doesn't make any sense.
When you're buying a product that is going to need support you'll generally want a product that will have support
available. Buying/using products that aren't widely used isn't a great practise. Especially in business.
Good try. Except that in the real case discussed here, there IS support, so you WILL find someone to work on it.
And even if every one followed your "great practises", mankind would still be stuck in stone age.
Big companies get patents because they come up with original ideas and they patent them.
It isn't their fault that someone else didn't come up with the idea first or was too lazy to patent it.
OMG, amazing ! I understand now, you are completely brainwashed, specially if you truly believe that !!
Just remember that Microsoft was, at one time, a small company. They obviously did *something* right.
Yes, "something" : they screwed a bigger one. Doing sth right is not the same as doing sth righteously.
Quit your bitching, because it really doesn't matter. Microsoft is here, they own a majority of the desktop market,
and they're not going away anytime soon.
Even sitting on your elephant, you should beware the mouse
An insightful troll ?
What are you refering to ?
At least there is no flaw in this case.
Worst thing is that by default, MySQL comes with only connections allowed from localhost.
So, MySQL folks took all available steps to secure a first install.
Now, if your MySQL package provider ships with insecure settings, that is not MySQL fault.
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If they could implement this soon enough, it would help Cobra (<URL:http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedi
to counter the secret move of false king Babel of Sodes sword men race (episode 21)
The grand-parent is right.
Most FOSS platforms are built on GNU software (so, on GPL or LGPL software). Without GNU, you do not even have an OS to build your app upon. Most graphics DE (Gnome, KDE) are GPL.
So, using Sun's patents prevents you from using a FOSS OS (Solaris is still not one to this day), or even the Linux kernel.
So this as exactly NO USE for the vast wealth of Free Software out there.
That is where you can start to see that Free Software is a lot better for everyone than Open Source. Because yes CDDL is an Open Source licence, but not compatible with Free Software.
Who again would be liable ?
So if someone tweaks its adapter, the producer of the hardware is liable ?
Seems strange to me.
Whatever, worse is coming
So in your mind, someone who uses OSS and have no working driver (not even binary) for its legally bought WiFi adapter, then who begs for a driver for Linux, or even worse, some specs to make the driver himself, is a zealot !!?
You work for WiFi adapter provider right ?
I don't know.
...). I have a ton of them, have played a lot of them, and still a lot more to play.
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I'm a big fan of console RPG (like Squaresoft ones, Enix ones, Capcom ones, the ones on Sega consoles,
And still, I love Battle for Wesnoth, and find it very addictive.
And even though sth like Baldur's Gate was my dream game (I imagined I would code some RPG exactly like that when I was young, except in isometric tiles), I had a hard time finishing it (it was boring), and I still never managed to play more than 2 hours of BG2, which I bought the day it came out.
Go figure
What you say is blatantly false.
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TuxRacer IS built reliably. What is not reliable, is someone like you installing free distro from the web, without knowing what you are doing, when they are advertised as for "experienced linux users".
You talk about Mandrake, but the commercial Mandrake distro include automatic NVidia drivers install and update. This is what a standard user would buy, we are talking about commercial here. And this is what you should be using, not sth you obviously do not have any knowledge on, but do not hesitate to bash.
The "most distributions" you talk about are the free ones on the web. There is no way a commercial app like a commercial game would support so many moving targets like Linux distro
What you say is nonsense, and the UT2004 example should have woke you up.
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A game is just another application, and applications install without any problem on any Linux distro, with graphical installers and all.
The problem has nothing to do with Linux in itself, it is in the developers of these games.
Most non commercial games install without problem on any Linux distro.
The platform is not responsible for the lack of polish developers put in commercial games port for Linux. Tell me about market share or whatever, but stop saying such nonsense.
Gaming games DESIGNED FOR WINDOWS is more complex in Linux than in Linux
All the games (most non commercial) developped with FOSS in mind has no problem installing and running in Linux distro environment.
This is stupid discussion anyway.
That is as if I would dismiss Windows as a gaming platform, because no Playstation emulator for Windows works correctly with most Playstation games, or the experience is far worse on Windows. And based on the fact that consoles are DESIGNED to run games, I can paraphrase you
"I'm simply pointing out the accurate fact that gaming on Windows is a lot more complex than gaming on Playstation and almost always involves some user input and/or configuration beyond put the CD in the box".
There, nothing has changed after saying that
The "Answering the critics" part (from MS) contradicts the reports (from MS) that people in these country (where this Windows is to be released) are replacing Linux with Windows (on PC sold with Linux).
I wonder how a great deal of the population do not know what to do with Windows (MS people assure you they have done the research for that) and yet are able to install Windows.
In Europe, people that know what to do with Windows do not necessarily know how to install it.
Strange thing really.
OMG, do you even know what you are talking about ?
I do not know 4NT, but from your example, I am pretty sure you do not know a lot about bash or even ksh.
All the features you cite are already present in bash, and then a lot more.
Saying shell scripting language is irrelevant today feels just plain arrogant and uneducated to me.
Did you even hear about the shell commands ? script ? shell editor mode ? screen ?
And bash is not stagnant, bash 3.0 was released some days ago for christ sake, with new features too.
Thanks to GNU, shells are not stagnant and from solutions I still provide to companies today, with shell scripts, I can assure you it is not irrelevant.