You are making me cuestion my beliefs! is there no more religious freedom in this world?:-) May be I'm talking just out of "feeling", I'm not finding a rational support for the grouping scripting/non scripting languages by looking at the grammar. It doesn't means there isn't one? On the other hand the classification by its use seems clearer. Normaly I don't say I did a script in Java to parse a file or configure something.
Exactly who are these compatriots according to you? I have read in slashdot other post which express similiars concepts as yours. I understand that you are a USA citizen and those post are from other USA citizens, hence compatriots. Just that.
Why do you think the relationship changed? Menen government was so aligned with USA that the foreign minister called them "in the flesh relationships" (my free translation of "relaciones carnales"). When he losed the presidence he losed most of his politic power and influence, but the final blow was when he was several months impriosioned (in his home), accused of a case of arms trading. And has being related by some of having obstructed the investigations in the terrorist attacks of the AMIA and Israel embassy. With many other things, that made him non useful to their old pals.
I think we should be as compassionate as possible, but only after we take care of ourselves. I mean something different. Normal USA politic to the rest of the world is doing only what thinks is it's best interest and don't care what the rest of the world thinks of it. There are plenty of examples of that politic, just take Iraq war for example. If they help someone is because the government think is convenient to them, which has usually not been the case at long.
these foreign students and immigrants have something to innovate because of this country Yes, I agree with you. But I don't think is a government thing.
A large part of cash flows come from imports. It's a little hard to express me in english, so may be I'm not clear, sorry about that. I was talking that during the last decade there was a large money draw from third world to the first in general, not only by importing products, by finantial operations and in gran part to the high national debts that third world countries have. In most cases those debts where originated by dictatorships supported from the first world or even corrupt privatizations in the name of free markets.
I have only the authority of my experience. Though I think I refuted your premise that "Java and C# both have their genesis in commercial aspirations, rather than technical" (only in the Java part of course:-) with the info I given.
Putting Java in the scripting language category shows that he doesn't know what he is talking about and is insulting to the people that works hard to make just in time compilers and the sofisticated virtual machines that Java has.
That's like the old myth of Java being Cobol reborn. I worked almost two years in Cobol and using Java for years now and can tell you that you are wrong!. Java is being used in enterprise applications because is useful, not because it was made by consultants. Do you know what Java was made for? It was created for programming small electronic devices.
You can download Java sources to your heart content, the library sources are included. What you don't get is the posibility of redistribute your changes. OSS zealots please learn what your talking about.
I'm not denying it but I think you are viewing it only in your own country way. We have government created monopolies in the name of free market, just for full pockets of a few. Telephones, gas are examples in my country. But as worst are the cases in which the government just makes what we call a "free zone", no regulation nor control. Again, corrupt governments in action. Then they say that free market will regulate itself, etc. In my experience, the market doesn't correct anything for you, and people doesn't have power to influence big companies, so the state should act as representatives of consumer and defend our rights. If your customer is important you may be more willing to treat him well. The government must act as representative of all customer to get better conditions for us. The companies can defend themselves very well. I'm not talking centralized economy here. Just regulated capitalism, as is in first world. Believe me, we tried no regulations and State on companies side and it wasn't any good.
Sorry but I think you are being too naive in your views, but it seems that a lot of your compatriots seem to think like you. Other countries are corrupt? yes. In many cases USA pressed to establish them. I live in Argentina, our ex president Menen will be remembered for the most corrupt government in our history. The Bush just loved him. They supported him. Bush father played tenis with him. Now is like he has the plague, everyone telling how corrupt we are now. The same with other governments here and elsewhere. USA has a great deal of responsability in many events in the world and specifically in the balance of power. Second, the first world governments press every day for advantages for their companies. When a government try to think first in its country it will be smashed each day, even may fear a coup de etat. It happened here. Third, think of the need USA has of the rest of the world. How many innovations are from foreign students, inmigrants? How are the cash flows from the rest of the world into USA, and what generate them? How much do you need the cheap Mexican labor force to keep the economy working? You need the full view to make an analisis, not just one side.
But you are evil! I mean not you personaly or your country people, but don't confuse innocent stupidity with years of planned evil. It would be disrespectful of all the effort of your evil government.
But the governments HAVE to get involved to regulate the markets and prevent abuses of power, monopolies, etc. There no such thing as an absolute unregulated market in this planet. When there is no government control it's called a war zone.
cloning AIDS drugs (which DID cost the pharma companies some real R&D $$$ after all...)
That's not really so. A lot of the R&D $$$ (though not all) they say they spend are from governments investigation programs, but they count it as from themselves. Also they say they spend a lot more than they really do.
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You are making me cuestion my beliefs! is there no more religious freedom in this world? :-) May be I'm talking just out of "feeling", I'm not finding a rational support for the grouping scripting /non scripting languages by looking at the grammar. It doesn't means there isn't one?
On the other hand the classification by its use seems clearer. Normaly I don't say I did a script in Java to parse a file or configure something.
Do you realize you have obsoleted yourself? :-)
For some things I like better to use XX to complement my XY, it kinda fits togheter, but you may have your own tastes :-)
Exactly who are these compatriots according to you?
I have read in slashdot other post which express similiars concepts as
yours. I understand that you are a USA citizen and those post are from other
USA citizens, hence compatriots. Just that.
Why do you think the relationship changed?
Menen government was so aligned with USA that the foreign minister called
them "in the flesh relationships" (my free translation of "relaciones
carnales"). When he losed the presidence he losed most of his politic power
and influence, but the final blow was when he was several months
impriosioned (in his home), accused of a case of arms trading. And has being
related by some of having obstructed the investigations in the terrorist
attacks of the AMIA and Israel embassy.
With many other things, that made him non useful to their old pals.
I think we should be as compassionate as possible, but only after we
take care of ourselves.
I mean something different. Normal USA politic to the rest of the world is doing only what thinks is it's best interest and don't care what the rest of the world thinks of it. There are plenty of examples of that politic, just take Iraq war for example. If they help someone is because the government think is convenient to them, which has usually not been the case at long.
these foreign students and immigrants have something to innovate because of this country
Yes, I agree with you. But I don't think is a government thing.
A large part of cash flows come from imports.
It's a little hard to express me in english, so may be I'm not clear, sorry about that. I was talking that during the last decade there was a large money draw from third world to the first in general, not only by importing products, by finantial operations and in gran part to the high national debts that third world countries have. In most cases those debts where originated by dictatorships supported from the first world or even corrupt privatizations in the name of free markets.
I have only the authority of my experience. Though I think I refuted your premise that "Java and C# both have their genesis in commercial aspirations, rather than technical" (only in the Java part of course :-) with the info I given.
Ok, but I still think that Perl and Python are more comparable than Java.
RTFA or some excerpts above: they are no problems with open source implementations of Java, but nobody is doing them (fully).
Putting Java in the scripting language category shows that he doesn't know what he is talking about and is insulting to the people that works hard to make just in time compilers and the sofisticated virtual machines that Java has.
In fact you are wrong, they complement and only overlap in small part.
But is not Java. MS is happy, Sun has interesting competition and we get more choices. Good for me.
What does that suppose to mean??
That's like the old myth of Java being Cobol reborn. I worked almost two years in Cobol and using Java for years now and can tell you that you are wrong!. Java is being used in enterprise applications because is useful, not because it was made by consultants.
Do you know what Java was made for? It was created for programming small electronic devices.
You can download Java sources to your heart content, the library sources are included. What you don't get is the posibility of redistribute your changes.
OSS zealots please learn what your talking about.
I forgot to pay for my licence! I'm so afraid!
I'm not denying it but I think you are viewing it only in your own country way.
We have government created monopolies in the name of free market, just for full pockets of a few. Telephones, gas are examples in my country. But as worst are the cases in which the government just makes what we call a "free zone", no regulation nor control. Again, corrupt governments in action. Then they say that free market will regulate itself, etc.
In my experience, the market doesn't correct anything for you, and people doesn't have power to influence big companies, so the state should act as representatives of consumer and defend our rights. If your customer is important you may be more willing to treat him well. The government must act as representative of all customer to get better conditions for us. The companies can defend themselves very well. I'm not talking centralized economy here. Just regulated capitalism, as is in first world.
Believe me, we tried no regulations and State on companies side and it wasn't any good.
Sorry but I think you are being too naive in your views, but it seems that a lot of your compatriots seem to think like you.
Other countries are corrupt? yes. In many cases USA pressed to establish them. I live in Argentina, our ex president Menen will be remembered for the most corrupt government in our history. The Bush just loved him. They supported him. Bush father played tenis with him. Now is like he has the plague, everyone telling how corrupt we are now. The same with other governments here and elsewhere.
USA has a great deal of responsability in many events in the world and specifically in the balance of power.
Second, the first world governments press every day for advantages for their companies. When a government try to think first in its country it will be smashed each day, even may fear a coup de etat. It happened here.
Third, think of the need USA has of the rest of the world. How many innovations are from foreign students, inmigrants? How are the cash flows from the rest of the world into USA, and what generate them? How much do you need the cheap Mexican labor force to keep the economy working?
You need the full view to make an analisis, not just one side.
Iraq on the UN disarmament committee
Unless you have a proof of WMD I would laugh on you.
Just differents styles of controlling the rest of the world. Colonies or puppets, it's not better one way or another.
But you are evil! I mean not you personaly or your country people, but don't confuse innocent stupidity with years of planned evil. It would be disrespectful of all the effort of your evil government.
But the governments HAVE to get involved to regulate the markets and prevent abuses of power, monopolies, etc. There no such thing as an absolute unregulated market in this planet. When there is no government control it's called a war zone.
You see, they have a lot of unused war surplus after the last war so...
cloning AIDS drugs (which DID cost the pharma companies some real R&D $$$ after all...)
That's not really so. A lot of the R&D $$$ (though not all) they say they spend are from governments investigation programs, but they count it as from themselves. Also they say they spend a lot more than they really do.
That's nothing, I'm afraid I'm an hypochondriac!
Swing sightings seems to have moved to Java.net. Check the latestest editions, there some impresive Java desktop apps there.
King Kong, what a great idea to do a remake! No, wait, the other thing. What a lame idea! Do we really need another King Kong?