>'A version of Mandrake Linux dedicated to these powerful >64-bit processors can certainly accelerate MandrakeSoft's >growing adoption in the Linux corporate market' said >Jacques Le Marois, CEO of MandrakeSoft.
*swat* Bad CEO! Bad, bad! AMD is not doing very well in the corporate market. PHBs just don't like it. Sure, the grunts that take care of the machines like it, but they (we) just don't have the pull when it comes to writing a check. Imagine this conversation:
Me:"Hey boss, if we went with Corp_PC-A instead of Corp_PC-B, we would save about $200 per computer!"
Boss:"Really? What's the difference between the two?"
Me:"Corp_PC-B uses an AMD processor instead of an Intel."
Boss:"Whoa, now. The processor is pretty important, right? I don't think that we want to skimp there. We better 'go long' on the processor and trim the fat on memory and disk space. Oh, and stick a Trident video card in there for good measure! Silly hacker, what do you know about corporate responsibility. Go fix me turkey pot pie!"
OK, a little creative leeway. The point is that Intel has the aura of a rock-solid performer, while AMD has a hacker/gamer hippie case-modder feel.
Besides, AMD lost it's underdog luster to me when they struck a deal with Microsoft to
testify on their behalf for an
endorsement.
Our IT staff uses Linux-based solutions to handle everything from file servers to user workstations to huge Oracle database servers. Most of the solutions are "mundane", which is good, but others can be pretty tricky. Either way we very seldom have to spend time "supporting" them. The only thing they do is work. Work, work, work.
Another aspect of Open Source solutions is the number of choices. For example, look at Mail Transport Agents. If I'm having trouble with sendmail, I can use Postfix. If Postfix is not for me, I'll use exim. Whatever. Same thing with web servers. My point is that competition is alive and well in the OSS community. Competition means better docs, responsive authors, and a vibrant (if flammable) user community. That's where you'll find the best support, and it won't cost you $1.95 per minute.
In some instances a hack is necessary to get the job done. Case in point, I had to hack Gnumeric to make it print a sheet without bringing it into view. In essence, I made it a command-line utility for printing Gnumeric spreadsheets. Like a good little OSS supporter I submitted my changes to the list. They were very kind, helpful, and supportive. It didn't make it into the main tree, but that was my own fault. Even though they weren't interested in it themselves, they still took time to help. That was cool.
Here's what I believe should happen. Redhat, or another DMCA foe, should release a copy-protected audio CD with instructions regarding the use of Linux (for example). Someone should defeat the copy protection with a Sharpie. Redhat then sues Sanford (makers of Sharpie) to have the markers pulled due to DMCA violations (circumvention device). Redhat will, of course, lose horribly. Then we have a precedent. The court will probably rule that the Sharpie has other useful purposes, and will not be taken off of the market, or that the DMCA is too vague. Then CSS and similar tools (that have another purpose) will have a legal ruling to rally behind.
> Somehow, getting more for your money is bad for the consumer.
That's an ignorant argument to make. You're putting Ma and Pa's interests before those of an industry's. Think about it:
Shell decides to start selling gas for.30 per gallon. Great! Consumers love it, Ma and Pa love it, everyone's happy except for Shell's competition. They have to lower their prices to.30 per gallon in order to sell ANY gas at all. Now everyone knows that Shell is bleeding money because of this practice, but nobody cares because gas is so cheap. Soon, however, when the petro companies that don't have the cash to weather the storm are wiped out, Shell is going to raise the price of gas to $5.00 per gallon to make up it's losses. It's the oldest trick in the book. The company with the most reserves can engage in corporate attrition, knowing that their money will hold out longer than everyone elses. In then end, you will be sorry.
Now that Microsoft owns the browser market, how much longer until IE stops connection to anything but IIS?
Michael is a stand-up guy. I'm not employed by Suse but Michael and I have worked together in the past on Open Source projects. He's Suse's representative at Oracle headquarters in California, where he is based. IMHO he's done more to clear up this situation than all of Suse's PR, officers, and anonymous tipsters combined.
Michael, nice to see you're still there.
Matthew
Orasoft
______________
I guess the 8 developers that were laid off aren't really special enough to make anything. Plus, all of this coming from a guy employed by SuSE DE not INC. It's all about where your paychecks come from. idiot.
I received my Agenda about three weeks ago and I must say that I couldn't be happier. I'm not really using it as a PDA, but as a Mobile Linux Box. For less than $200 I can use it to dial into a network, mount drives via NFS, run just about an X app locally or from a remote Xserver, send/receive e-mail, and many, many other things. The convenience factor of running Linux is amazing. Don't like to use rsync to back it up? Fine, NFS mount the Aganda's drive and tar it up! Don't like using the tiny keyboard for Agenda administration? Fine, telnet to it and do anything that you like. ftpd, httpd (Apache and smaller), fetchmail, and other daemons have already been ported.
The "YoPaq" is nice, I'm sure, but it's too expensive. We can deploy these little guys to our entire sales force without batting an eyelash.
"We did start the open-source revolution," chief technology officer Michael Tiemann boasted at a WR
Hambrecht conference on open-source companies. Tiemann also declared victory over Microsoft's effort to
push into handheld computers and over Red Hat's Linux rivals in general.
This sounds like drunk talk to me. Just imagine Tieman with a yew 'Jaegies' in him talking to the ladies. He's overheard by the sneaky reporter hiding amongst the shadows.
That, or some creative quoting. Certainly wouldn't be the first time.
I always hear the Gnome and KDE guys talking about the values of code reuse. As a developer, I must agree. However, the most valuable incarnation of code reuse at this point in Linux GUI development would be between Gnome and Kde. How many things between them have been needlessly duplicated?
Enter the egos. Gnome and KDE will not cooperate with each other, even at the basic levels. If the lack of code reuse is something that really gets Miguel's goat, then perhaps a stronger effort should be made when negotiating with the KDE developers...
Matthew
Re:Read the ARTICLE on kuro5hin before posting
on
MAPS vs. ORBS
·
· Score: 1
>PS: Now for a real conspiracy, ask why slashdot >hasn't posted this story. It has beeen submitted >several times by myself and others on kuro5hin >but is always rejected.
I read this article. It appears to me that this fellow was running a pirate site and got caught. Everything that he uses as an argument reaks of Pirate. Basically he allowed anybody to upload anything to his server, and then started crying about the sudden appearance of warez. Doubly damning is that he allowed anyone to download the files. Had he taken any precautions whatsoever, he would probably not be in this mess. In my book that makes him a pirate, or really naive.
I've read all of the posts (3s or higher), and I admit that I don't understand most of them. However, instead of using complicated software to dicipher distance based on binocular vision, why not just actively blast away with a laser range finder? I've got one of those bad boys tied to my golf bag so they can't be too expensive. Every half second or so measure the distance to what the beast is looking at. Viola. Is that considered cheating or something?
Like many of you, the Ogg Vorbis project was just brought to my attention this evening. The project aims to replace MP3 as a standard audio compression system. In light of the current MP3 patent issues I decided to download the CVS code and give it a whirl.
Building the Code The Vorbis library and examples compiled without error. Included in the CVS code examples is an encoder and a decoder. An Xmms plugin is also included, but does not get built from the main Makefile. Simply cd xmms && make and it compiles just fine.
The Objective My objective here was to test the encoder, so I popped my Weird Al "bad hair day" CD in and ripped track 10 to a 16 bit, stereo 44100 Hz WAV file. I then `cat`ed this file to the Vorbis encoder and sent the output to larry.ogg. For the sake of a decent comparison, I bladeenc'd the same WAV file to a 128k 44.1 MP3 file.
Findings The.ogg file turned out to be about a meg larger, weighing in at 4720244 bytes. The sound quality was good. I couldn't tell the difference between the.ogg file and the MP3, using mediocre audio hardware and the Vorbis Xmms plugin.
Conclusion In conclusion I can honestly say that Ogg Vorbis impressed me. The project has yet to release a stable version, and the sound quality is already in place. Since the Vorbis team is still ironing out the code, little if any optimizations have been done. Once the code is optimized the.ogg output file should be much closer to the size of the MP3.
Implications The Ogg Vorbis project has given us a royalty/restriction-free alternative to MP3. I believe that the one thing that this project lacks is exposure. Once people realize that a "libre" alternative is available, usage will increase. With usage comes bug reports, developers, third-party utilities and peer review.
You're missing a very important point: IBM wants out of the software business. Completely. They want absolutely nothing to do with the OS business (remember their last escapade?). They're porting Linux to every machine that they make in a bold attempt to remove themselves from this market. By 2010 IBM wants to be 80% services, and 20% hardware. If Linux allows them to do this cheaply, while retaining complete control over the hardware, then they would be fools to not. Right now you can't swing a dead cat without hitting an MCSE, but the Linux equivelant is still elusive. They can position themselves to be the experts, which furthers both their "services" and "hardware" plans.
Isn't this going to completely throw timing loops and other bogomips-measured functions out of whack? Linux gets it's reading at bootup, and doesn't refresh it's value. If it boots at one clock speed, then changes to another, things are going to break.
My name is Matthew Chappee, and I'm the author of the Oracle Application Suite for Linux. It has been referenced in this discussion several times (usually just by address' oracle.mattshouse.com or www.mattshouse.com). There have been a lot of good ideas thrown around in this forum. I propose that we organize these nuggets so that we can address them in an organized manner. I'm actively developing my suite of applications, and am always looking for cool ideas. So, please CC me at matthew@mattshouse.com with your ideas, and we can start discussing the options on my mailing list.
If you must respond to Mr. Dvorak, please use his email address dvorak@dvorak.org. There is no need to boost his popularity and ratings by posting talkback articles.
I agree with Red Hat completely. If you think about it, their trademarks are all that they have. They've built a brand that people know, and places such as Cheapbytes and MacMillan are trying to leach off of that effort. When you sell free software, you have to offer something that the others cannot. Red Hat can offer 'Red Hat Linux', and nobody else should be able to without explicit permission from Red Hat.
Can you imagine the "fragmentation" FUD that would be flung at Linux if several different companies with different support schemes offered a version of 'Red Hat Linux'? It would weaken the brand and cost Red Hat a lot of money that they are sure to invest right back into the community.
Sell out? Do you want to know how much I paid for my copy of Redhat 6.0? $0.00. As long as you can download the distro for free, who cares what price they charge the suits? They also have a remarkable habit of GPL(ing) their customizations.
This is nothing more than a disgruntled employee (raster) sounding off. In the computer industry we use the net to flame. In the Postal service they use.45 firearms.
It's obvious that you're just ranting, and probably trolling, so i won't bother remarking on your other non-points.
Is there an implimentation of the UDI being developed for Linux? It would almost have to be a kernel-space project and I don't remember seeing anything about it on the list.
_______________Bolen Said____________ 1. Oracle on Linux doesn't have a long enough track record yet. It was ported just 6 months ago. As quickly as Oracle jumped on the Linux bandwagon, Larry Ellison could change his mind and jump off again. ______________________________________
You have to think about what drives Larry Ellison. First and foremost, he wants a successfull company/product/life. Secondly, and not too far behind, he wants to see Microsoft weakened. I think Linux / Oracle are here to stay.
________________Bolen Said____________ 3. Right now, only Oracle Standard Edition is available for Linux. If you need Oracle Enterprise Edition features (table partitioning, object support, advanced replication, parallel server), then you need Solaris. _________________________________________
Not true. Oracle Enterprise Edition, with all included apps, is now available on Linux. This includes failover, ConText, and everything else bundled with Solaris OEE.
_______________Bolin Said_________________ 4. Scalability. If you expect rapid growth in you database application, Sun will scale better than any current Pentium system (E10000 anyone?). Beowulf clustering is not a viable option for Oracle. ___________________________________________
True. If an eight-way Xeon isn't enough, then definately go with Sun. Although that new K7 with the 200mhz bus and SMP support is looking Goood.
__________________Bolin Said__________________ 5. Solaris has journaled file system and logical volume manager (Veritas), and it will suport raw logical volumes for datafiles. _______________________________________________
I don't know what Veritas is, but Oracle on Linux supports Raw partitions.
Keep in mind that IBM is porting Linux to the RS6000, and HP to the PA-Risc. There has been a stable Alpha port for over a year. The Intel bottleneck is about to become a non-factor.
Right now we run Oracle Linux on an HP Netserver with 4 Pentium Pro processors and 1 Gig RAM. It's a fast little guy, and rock solid. I say 'Go for it'.
It does not work 'great'. It works in 16 color mode at 640x480. At least with Linux we can buy support for this chip. I use AccelX 4.12, 1024x768 16 million colors.
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>'A version of Mandrake Linux dedicated to these powerful
>64-bit processors can certainly accelerate MandrakeSoft's
>growing adoption in the Linux corporate market' said
>Jacques Le Marois, CEO of MandrakeSoft.
*swat* Bad CEO! Bad, bad! AMD is not doing very well in the corporate market. PHBs just don't like it. Sure, the grunts that take care of the machines like it, but they (we) just don't have the pull when it comes to writing a check. Imagine this conversation:
Me:"Hey boss, if we went with Corp_PC-A instead of Corp_PC-B, we would save about $200 per computer!"
Boss:"Really? What's the difference between the two?"
Me:"Corp_PC-B uses an AMD processor instead of an Intel."
Boss:"Whoa, now. The processor is pretty important, right? I don't think that we want to skimp there. We better 'go long' on the processor and trim the fat on memory and disk space. Oh, and stick a Trident video card in there for good measure! Silly hacker, what do you know about corporate responsibility. Go fix me turkey pot pie!"
OK, a little creative leeway. The point is that Intel has the aura of a rock-solid performer, while AMD has a hacker/gamer hippie case-modder feel.
Besides, AMD lost it's underdog luster to me when they struck a deal with Microsoft to testify on their behalf for an endorsement.
Matthew
In or near St. Louis? Hire me
Our IT staff uses Linux-based solutions to handle everything from file servers to user workstations to huge Oracle database servers. Most of the solutions are "mundane", which is good, but others can be pretty tricky. Either way we very seldom have to spend time "supporting" them. The only thing they do is work. Work, work, work.
Another aspect of Open Source solutions is the number of choices. For example, look at Mail Transport Agents. If I'm having trouble with sendmail, I can use Postfix. If Postfix is not for me, I'll use exim. Whatever. Same thing with web servers. My point is that competition is alive and well in the OSS community. Competition means better docs, responsive authors, and a vibrant (if flammable) user community. That's where you'll find the best support, and it won't cost you $1.95 per minute.
In some instances a hack is necessary to get the job done. Case in point, I had to hack Gnumeric to make it print a sheet without bringing it into view. In essence, I made it a command-line utility for printing Gnumeric spreadsheets. Like a good little OSS supporter I submitted my changes to the list. They were very kind, helpful, and supportive. It didn't make it into the main tree, but that was my own fault. Even though they weren't interested in it themselves, they still took time to help. That was cool.
Damn, what a ramble.
Matthew
> Sorry to sound trollish, but the irony is killing me...
:-)
0 5/ qid=1023210997/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/002-6037650-74728 20
You want to see irony? How about Amazon.com selling this book.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/07432258
Here's what I believe should happen. Redhat, or another DMCA foe, should release a copy-protected audio CD with instructions regarding the use of Linux (for example). Someone should defeat the copy protection with a Sharpie. Redhat then sues Sanford (makers of Sharpie) to have the markers pulled due to DMCA violations (circumvention device). Redhat will, of course, lose horribly. Then we have a precedent. The court will probably rule that the Sharpie has other useful purposes, and will not be taken off of the market, or that the DMCA is too vague. Then CSS and similar tools (that have another purpose) will have a legal ruling to rally behind.
>>and yes, Linux is Unix.
>>It may not be Unix(tm), but it certainly is unix
Actually, since Caldera bought SCO, didn't they purchase the rights to Unix(tm)? If so, wouldn't that make Linux the only "true Unix"?
Matthew
> Somehow, getting more for your money is bad for the consumer.
.30 per gallon. Great! Consumers love it, Ma and Pa love it, everyone's happy except for Shell's competition. They have to lower their prices to .30 per gallon in order to sell ANY gas at all. Now everyone knows that Shell is bleeding money because of this practice, but nobody cares because gas is so cheap. Soon, however, when the petro companies that don't have the cash to weather the storm are wiped out, Shell is going to raise the price of gas to $5.00 per gallon to make up it's losses. It's the oldest trick in the book. The company with the most reserves can engage in corporate attrition, knowing that their money will hold out longer than everyone elses. In then end, you will be sorry.
That's an ignorant argument to make. You're putting Ma and Pa's interests before those of an industry's. Think about it:
Shell decides to start selling gas for
Now that Microsoft owns the browser market, how much longer until IE stops connection to anything but IIS?
Matthew
OK buddy, your country just made the list...
:-)
Matthew
American and Proud
Michael is a stand-up guy. I'm not employed by Suse but Michael and I have worked together in the past on Open Source projects. He's Suse's representative at Oracle headquarters in California, where he is based. IMHO he's done more to clear up this situation than all of Suse's PR, officers, and anonymous tipsters combined.
Michael, nice to see you're still there.
Matthew
Orasoft
______________
I guess the 8 developers that were laid off aren't really special enough to make anything. Plus, all of this coming from a guy employed by SuSE DE not INC. It's all about where your paychecks come from. idiot.
I received my Agenda about three weeks ago and I must say that I couldn't be happier. I'm not really using it as a PDA, but as a Mobile Linux Box. For less than $200 I can use it to dial into a network, mount drives via NFS, run just about an X app locally or from a remote Xserver, send/receive e-mail, and many, many other things. The convenience factor of running Linux is amazing. Don't like to use rsync to back it up? Fine, NFS mount the Aganda's drive and tar it up! Don't like using the tiny keyboard for Agenda administration? Fine, telnet to it and do anything that you like. ftpd, httpd (Apache and smaller), fetchmail, and other daemons have already been ported.
The "YoPaq" is nice, I'm sure, but it's too expensive. We can deploy these little guys to our entire sales force without batting an eyelash.
Matthew
Orasoft.org
"We did start the open-source revolution," chief technology officer Michael Tiemann boasted at a WR Hambrecht conference on open-source companies. Tiemann also declared victory over Microsoft's effort to push into handheld computers and over Red Hat's Linux rivals in general.
This sounds like drunk talk to me. Just imagine Tieman with a yew 'Jaegies' in him talking to the ladies. He's overheard by the sneaky reporter hiding amongst the shadows.
That, or some creative quoting. Certainly wouldn't be the first time.
Matthew
orasoft.org
I always hear the Gnome and KDE guys talking about the values of code reuse. As a developer, I must agree. However, the most valuable incarnation of code reuse at this point in Linux GUI development would be between Gnome and Kde. How many things between them have been needlessly duplicated?
Enter the egos. Gnome and KDE will not cooperate with each other, even at the basic levels. If the lack of code reuse is something that really gets Miguel's goat, then perhaps a stronger effort should be made when negotiating with the KDE developers...
Matthew
>PS: Now for a real conspiracy, ask why slashdot
>hasn't posted this story. It has beeen submitted
>several times by myself and others on kuro5hin
>but is always rejected.
I read this article. It appears to me that this fellow was running a pirate site and got caught. Everything that he uses as an argument reaks of Pirate. Basically he allowed anybody to upload anything to his server, and then started crying about the sudden appearance of warez. Doubly damning is that he allowed anyone to download the files. Had he taken any precautions whatsoever, he would probably not be in this mess. In my book that makes him a pirate, or really naive.
I've read all of the posts (3s or higher), and I admit that I don't understand most of them. However, instead of using complicated software to dicipher distance based on binocular vision, why not just actively blast away with a laser range finder? I've got one of those bad boys tied to my golf bag so they can't be too expensive. Every half second or so measure the distance to what the beast is looking at. Viola. Is that considered cheating or something?
Matthew
Like many of you, the Ogg Vorbis project was just brought to my attention this evening. The project aims to replace MP3 as a standard audio compression system. In light of the current MP3 patent issues I decided to download the CVS code and give it a whirl.
.ogg file turned out to be about a meg larger, weighing in at 4720244 bytes. The sound quality was good. I couldn't tell the difference between the .ogg file and the MP3, using mediocre audio hardware and the Vorbis Xmms plugin.
.ogg output file should be much closer to the size of the MP3.
Building the Code
The Vorbis library and examples compiled without error. Included in the CVS code examples is an encoder and a decoder. An Xmms plugin is also included, but does not get built from the main Makefile. Simply cd xmms && make and it compiles just fine.
The Objective
My objective here was to test the encoder, so I popped my Weird Al "bad hair day" CD in and ripped track 10 to a 16 bit, stereo 44100 Hz WAV file. I then `cat`ed this file to the Vorbis encoder and sent the output to larry.ogg. For the sake of a decent comparison, I bladeenc'd the same WAV file to a 128k 44.1 MP3 file.
Findings
The
Conclusion
In conclusion I can honestly say that Ogg Vorbis impressed me. The project has yet to release a stable version, and the sound quality is already in place. Since the Vorbis team is still ironing out the code, little if any optimizations have been done. Once the code is optimized the
Implications
The Ogg Vorbis project has given us a royalty/restriction-free alternative to MP3. I believe that the one thing that this project lacks is exposure. Once people realize that a "libre" alternative is available, usage will increase. With usage comes bug reports, developers, third-party utilities and peer review.
Availability
The Vorbis website is housed at: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/vorbis
You're missing a very important point: IBM wants out of the software business. Completely. They want absolutely nothing to do with the OS business (remember their last escapade?). They're porting Linux to every machine that they make in a bold attempt to remove themselves from this market. By 2010 IBM wants to be 80% services, and 20% hardware. If Linux allows them to do this cheaply, while retaining complete control over the hardware, then they would be fools to not. Right now you can't swing a dead cat without hitting an MCSE, but the Linux equivelant is still elusive. They can position themselves to be the experts, which furthers both their "services" and "hardware" plans.
Isn't this going to completely throw timing loops and other bogomips-measured functions out of whack? Linux gets it's reading at bootup, and doesn't refresh it's value. If it boots at one clock speed, then changes to another, things are going to break.
Matthew
Hello,
My name is Matthew Chappee, and I'm the author of the Oracle Application Suite for Linux. It has been referenced in this discussion several times (usually just by address' oracle.mattshouse.com or www.mattshouse.com). There have been a lot of good ideas thrown around in this forum. I propose that we organize these nuggets so that we can address them in an organized manner. I'm actively developing my suite of applications, and am always looking for cool ideas. So, please CC me at matthew@mattshouse.com with your ideas, and we can start discussing the options on my mailing list.
Thanks,
If you must respond to Mr. Dvorak, please use his email address dvorak@dvorak.org. There is no need to boost his popularity and ratings by posting talkback articles.
Matthew
I agree with Red Hat completely. If you think about it, their trademarks are all that they have. They've built a brand that people know, and places such as Cheapbytes and MacMillan are trying to leach off of that effort. When you sell free software, you have to offer something that the others cannot. Red Hat can offer 'Red Hat Linux', and nobody else should be able to without explicit permission from Red Hat.
Can you imagine the "fragmentation" FUD that would be flung at Linux if several different companies with different support schemes offered a version of 'Red Hat Linux'? It would weaken the brand and cost Red Hat a lot of money that they are sure to invest right back into the community.
He used a shotgun to kill a fly. Instead of attacking the SlashKiddies he attacked the developers, the sysadmins, and the power users. Bad move.
Matthew
Sell out? Do you want to know how much I paid for my copy of Redhat 6.0? $0.00. As long as you can download the distro for free, who cares what price they charge the suits? They also have a remarkable habit of GPL(ing) their customizations.
.45 firearms.
This is nothing more than a disgruntled employee (raster) sounding off. In the computer industry we use the net to flame. In the Postal service they use
It's obvious that you're just ranting, and probably trolling, so i won't bother remarking on your other non-points.
Is there an implimentation of the UDI being developed for Linux? It would almost have to be a kernel-space project and I don't remember seeing anything about it on the list.
I have some issues with your post:
_______________Bolen Said____________
1. Oracle on Linux doesn't have a long enough track record yet. It was ported just 6 months ago. As quickly as Oracle jumped on the Linux bandwagon, Larry Ellison could change his mind and jump off again.
______________________________________
You have to think about what drives Larry Ellison. First and foremost, he wants a successfull company/product/life. Secondly, and not too far behind, he wants to see Microsoft weakened. I think Linux / Oracle are here to stay.
________________Bolen Said____________
3. Right now, only Oracle Standard Edition is available for Linux. If you need Oracle Enterprise Edition features (table partitioning,
object support, advanced replication, parallel server), then you need Solaris.
_________________________________________
Not true. Oracle Enterprise Edition, with all included apps, is now available on Linux. This includes failover, ConText, and everything else bundled with Solaris OEE.
_______________Bolin Said_________________
4. Scalability. If you expect rapid growth in you database application, Sun will scale better than any current Pentium system (E10000
anyone?). Beowulf clustering is not a viable option for Oracle.
___________________________________________
True. If an eight-way Xeon isn't enough, then definately go with Sun. Although that new K7 with the 200mhz bus and SMP support is looking Goood.
__________________Bolin Said__________________
5. Solaris has journaled file system and logical volume manager (Veritas), and it will suport raw logical volumes for datafiles.
_______________________________________________
I don't know what Veritas is, but Oracle on Linux supports Raw partitions.
Keep in mind that IBM is porting Linux to the RS6000, and HP to the PA-Risc. There has been a stable Alpha port for over a year. The Intel bottleneck is about to become a non-factor.
Right now we run Oracle Linux on an HP Netserver with 4 Pentium Pro processors and 1 Gig RAM. It's a fast little guy, and rock solid. I say 'Go for it'.
Matthew
It does not work 'great'. It works in 16 color mode at 640x480. At least with Linux we can buy support for this chip. I use AccelX 4.12, 1024x768 16 million colors.
MC