I was just about to post something like this. The spirit of the LGPL is that you can use the library for your whatever-liscensed program, but if you change the library then you show the world your changes. If Java happens to use some strange library/package/class loading system that makes the LGPL incompatible, the LGPL can be fixed.
We should worry about intent, not physical locading of the class into memory.
If you big companies [RIAA] are going to come to my house and arrest me for "sharing" your IP, then why can't I come to YOUR house and arrest you for stealing (profiting from) MY IP [BSD Code].
Also, how many lines do you have to borrow to violate the BSD License/GPL? One? If so, bye bye CS 1:)
/* hello - copyrights hello world in 4 languages
Copyright (C) 2003 Jonathan Rockway
This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
the Free Software Foundation; either version 2, or (at your option)
any later version.... etc:) */
Salvage it for parts. There must be something good in there.
And if $35 buys a black ink cartridge, and $35 buys a color ink cartridge, a black ink cartridge, AND a printer, electronic parts now have a negative cost when salvaged from a lexmark printer. Radio Shack should sue:)
Make dhcpd print out copyrighted messages every so often... and encrypt them. That way the RIAA will be violating the DMCA when they decrypt it and sue someone.
I love this arms race. The RIAA makes the DMCA so we can't copy music (actually it's the MPAA so we can't cop DVDs, but whatever), and we makes logs they can't read to prosecute those who copy music. When will this end, and who will win?
>Somehow I doubt that Munich will be hiring their own development staff to start digging through a kernel to "support" their system after 6 years.
They can, however, run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade or the SuSE equivalent. This will give them the most up-to-date version possible. Linux doesn't get old. Sure the version numbers change, but packages release at different times. One day it's kernel 2.6.0, the next day it's XFree5 or whatever. Windows is updated in giant chunks, Linux is updated a program at a time. As long as someone maintains the packages and apt's magic files, Linux NEVER goes out of date. Even without a support contract. I don't have one, and I'm running the latest software (including 2.6.0test1 on a PPC. Yes, it does work out of the box:).
I have wireless internet, and I have no limitations at all. In fact, the admin who runs it forgot to limit my bandwidth, so I get 2 T1 lines for $24.95 a month. Beat that:)
Is there working Linux/PPC support? I got through menuconfig, and make choked on time.o because two variables were defnied as both time_t and int. Since time_t is an int (via a typecast), I changed them to time_t. Now make is dead (after a lot of progress) on drivers/ide/ppc/pmac.o. I'll see if I can fix it, but it looks a little more involved. Oh well. Any PPC people know what's going on here!?
I can relate to #3. I can ARP-poison the gateway of my ISP (wireless over 802.11b) and get EVERYTHING. Passwords, mail (someone's using our mail gateway to relay spam:), IM, you name it. Worse, my school doesn't let me have encrypted POP/IMAP sessions, so I can't make my data safe. Time to setup some SSH tunnels, I guess:(
What worries me more is that anyone with a pringles can and a wifi card can sniff the connection!
> If obscurity were not beneficial as part of security, then root passwords would be public
No, because the password acts as a key into the system. However, you could argue that keeping the details of the format of/etc/passwd secret would increase security. Unfortunately, it has been public for 30 years, and hasn't decreased the security of UNIX at all. Everyone knows how crypt(3) works, and that doesn't help them compromise the system at all. You _have_ to have the password to get into the system. (that is, if login and it's friends are written properly; in the past they have not been. But that's another issue all together.)
Making the workings of a system obscure does not aid security. Keeping your password secret does. This is the opposite of security-through-obscurity.
If you want another example, think about your car. You can't get in unless you have keys. Your keys are secret, but the locking mechanism isn't. And despite that, I bet nobody's been able to get your car without getting your keys (or smashing the car, but that's not my point). Security-through-obscurity is not benificial.
I don't see the problem. Rather, I don't see how I'm hurt.
* I get low prices. Damn, now I'll have to save more money or buy more stuff. Sucks to be me.
* Workers aren't unionized. So now the workers get paid what they're worth, which is ~$3.00 an hour or whatever. If they don't want it, they can go somewhere else or, even worse, get a real job! The horrors!
How about I make a blade that has some padded tape on the non-razor side? Stick the blade on and the tape molds itself to the shape of the patented interface. Uh oh! IP violation... and by a piece of tape. That will be a fun court battle.
Anyway, I'm way off topic here. Modding razors and modding the Xbox are two different issues, legally and physically. The xbox is a PC that will only run signed code. Well, stick in a modchip and it can run linux. How can that be illegal? You own the modchip (and the IP contained within is yours / you have a license), you own the xbox; you have no intention of using MS's IP. Again, how is that illegal!? You're doing the stuff to something you own.
And now, I know, somebody will compare this to modding a car and making the emissions bad or whatever. They'll say that that mod makes the car illegal. Well, I'll tell them that the Xbox is not a car, it's a game console. It won't hurt any human life to mod it and run linux OR EVEN PIRATED GAMES. I'm mostly ranting and not making a point so i'll say this: if you own something, you can do whatever the hell you want with it. Ignore the government. If they don't know you're doing it, it's not illegal. "Lawmakers" may make it illegal, but I believe that courts will strike the law down. Making a font that boots linux is free speech.
Their business model doesn't suck, it actually makes the printer companies a lot of money.
Fortunately, this strategy seems to only apply to "consumer model" products, so if you get a good laser printer, you'll be fine. I paid a lot for mine (and the one before, $700!), but haven't had to buy a cartridge for four years. You get what you pay for--in my case, not screwed.
Actually, the web is pretty bad with popups. Until I recently started using Mozilla, I had always used Opera with JavaScript disabled. I never understood why everyone was complaining about popups and considered me stupid for not notcing them. Then I used IE for a while (okay, about 10 minutes) at sch ool and noticed that almost every site has popups. I was glad that I had always avoided that. Popups are so easy to block I'm surprised that they're still effective.
The point is that switched networks are no more secure than unswitched networks. Lying about your IP address is not illegal in real life, why should it be illegal to lie to the switch. (I'll admit I know nothing about "arp poisoning" yet, but I assume that it means that when you get an arp who-has packet you tell the switch that YOU have that IP/MAC combo)
If you want a secure network, use ipsec. Then people can sniff your traffic and not get anything useful. But what useful data would you get? Someone's answer to a slashdot poll? Their AIM password? Who cares!?
Windows XP is stable, but the process scheduler just isn't very good. I use NetBeans and Mozilla a lot, and the machine just dies every so often (for a while). Pressing CTRL-ALT-DEL doesn't do anything until windows realizes that it needs to stop jacking off or whaterver it's doing in the background. It'd be nice if I could kill processes quickly like I can in Linux.
All in all, I'll be happy to have my Linux box back from the repair shop. I'm just using my old iMac/233 now. With Linux it's more usuable than that Pentium4 box. *sigh*.
(And before you ask what happened to my computer, I'll tell you. Somebody at my school managed to steal the ram, video card, and literally fry the DC/DC converter in it, and THEN get the machine stuck inside it's case [ a G4 cube ]. So yeah, it needed professional repairs. Moral of the story: injure your roommate when he doesn't lock the door.)
I've been to rather large coffee shops in central tokyo. Try going to the Starbucks at the south exit of Shinjuku station. It's bigger than the ones in suburban illinois (about the same size as the one in chicago on wabash and jackson).
Can these copy-protected CDs be ripped to ISO format and then distributed and burned? If so, it's damn bad copy protection. (Yes, MP3s are slightly more convienient, but a 650M download costs me nothing and a $20 CD costs me $20. So the downloaded ISO wins).
Weird Al's "Running With Scissors" CD is the same; it has a "hidden" data track with an amuzing movie on it. It rips (er.. ripped) fine on my Linux'd iMac.
> Starbucks and Caribou coffee then implemented the policy of never giving a drink to a patron unless the top is on it.
I only sometimes get a top on mine at Starbucks, and never at Caribou. Then again, at Starbucks they tell me something like "here's that drink thing you ordered". On a regular basis. Too bad their coffee is so damn yummy:)
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I was just about to post something like this. The spirit of the LGPL is that you can use the library for your whatever-liscensed program, but if you change the library then you show the world your changes. If Java happens to use some strange library/package/class loading system that makes the LGPL incompatible, the LGPL can be fixed.
We should worry about intent, not physical locading of the class into memory.
I think what he's trying to say is this:
:)
/* hello - copyrights hello world in 4 languages
... etc :)
If you big companies [RIAA] are going to come to my house and arrest me for "sharing" your IP, then why can't I come to YOUR house and arrest you for stealing (profiting from) MY IP [BSD Code].
Also, how many lines do you have to borrow to violate the BSD License/GPL? One? If so, bye bye CS 1
Copyright (C) 2003 Jonathan Rockway
This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
the Free Software Foundation; either version 2, or (at your option)
any later version.
*/
(display "Hello, World!\n")
print "Hello, World!\n";
System.out.writeln("Hello, World!");
printf("Hello, World!\n");
Is that _really_ my IP, though?
Salvage it for parts. There must be something good in there.
:)
And if $35 buys a black ink cartridge, and $35 buys a color ink cartridge, a black ink cartridge, AND a printer, electronic parts now have a negative cost when salvaged from a lexmark printer. Radio Shack should sue
Make dhcpd print out copyrighted messages every so often... and encrypt them. That way the RIAA will be violating the DMCA when they decrypt it and sue someone.
I love this arms race. The RIAA makes the DMCA so we can't copy music (actually it's the MPAA so we can't cop DVDs, but whatever), and we makes logs they can't read to prosecute those who copy music. When will this end, and who will win?
>Somehow I doubt that Munich will be hiring their own development staff to start digging through a kernel to "support" their system after 6 years.
:).
They can, however, run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade or the SuSE equivalent. This will give them the most up-to-date version possible. Linux doesn't get old. Sure the version numbers change, but packages release at different times. One day it's kernel 2.6.0, the next day it's XFree5 or whatever. Windows is updated in giant chunks, Linux is updated a program at a time. As long as someone maintains the packages and apt's magic files, Linux NEVER goes out of date. Even without a support contract. I don't have one, and I'm running the latest software (including 2.6.0test1 on a PPC. Yes, it does work out of the box
Or just not license it from them and use it anyway. That's what I'd do. Who's going to know if I write a module and distribute it on freenet?
I have wireless internet, and I have no limitations at all. In fact, the admin who runs it forgot to limit my bandwidth, so I get 2 T1 lines for $24.95 a month. Beat that :)
Ah, ok. You need to enable "Generic IDE Support" AND "PowerMac IDE Support". A .c file in generic ide support EXPORT_SYMBOLs the necessary constants :)
Let's see if it boots...
Is there working Linux/PPC support? I got through menuconfig, and make choked on time.o because two variables were defnied as both time_t and int. Since time_t is an int (via a typecast), I changed them to time_t. Now make is dead (after a lot of progress) on drivers/ide/ppc/pmac.o. I'll see if I can fix it, but it looks a little more involved. Oh well. Any PPC people know what's going on here!?
I can relate to #3. I can ARP-poison the gateway of my ISP (wireless over 802.11b) and get EVERYTHING. Passwords, mail (someone's using our mail gateway to relay spam :), IM, you name it. Worse, my school doesn't let me have encrypted POP/IMAP sessions, so I can't make my data safe. Time to setup some SSH tunnels, I guess :(
What worries me more is that anyone with a pringles can and a wifi card can sniff the connection!
Uh that's because we WANT free music and DON'T WANT retailers to track us home. Seems fine to me.
Encryption doesn't have to be _good_ to be illegal to decrypt. Look at CSS. Or rot-26 :)
> If obscurity were not beneficial as part of security, then root passwords would be public
/etc/passwd secret would increase security. Unfortunately, it has been public for 30 years, and hasn't decreased the security of UNIX at all. Everyone knows how crypt(3) works, and that doesn't help them compromise the system at all. You _have_ to have the password to get into the system. (that is, if login and it's friends are written properly; in the past they have not been. But that's another issue all together.)
No, because the password acts as a key into the system. However, you could argue that keeping the details of the format of
Making the workings of a system obscure does not aid security. Keeping your password secret does. This is the opposite of security-through-obscurity.
If you want another example, think about your car. You can't get in unless you have keys. Your keys are secret, but the locking mechanism isn't. And despite that, I bet nobody's been able to get your car without getting your keys (or smashing the car, but that's not my point). Security-through-obscurity is not benificial.
I don't see the problem. Rather, I don't see how I'm hurt.
* I get low prices. Damn, now I'll have to save more money or buy more stuff. Sucks to be me.
* Workers aren't unionized. So now the workers get paid what they're worth, which is ~$3.00 an hour or whatever. If they don't want it, they can go somewhere else or, even worse, get a real job! The horrors!
Yeah, Walmart is really hurting me. Ouch.
No, I don't. Post it here so I can see it.
How about I make a blade that has some padded tape on the non-razor side? Stick the blade on and the tape molds itself to the shape of the patented interface. Uh oh! IP violation... and by a piece of tape. That will be a fun court battle.
Anyway, I'm way off topic here. Modding razors and modding the Xbox are two different issues, legally and physically. The xbox is a PC that will only run signed code. Well, stick in a modchip and it can run linux. How can that be illegal? You own the modchip (and the IP contained within is yours / you have a license), you own the xbox; you have no intention of using MS's IP. Again, how is that illegal!? You're doing the stuff to something you own.
And now, I know, somebody will compare this to modding a car and making the emissions bad or whatever. They'll say that that mod makes the car illegal. Well, I'll tell them that the Xbox is not a car, it's a game console. It won't hurt any human life to mod it and run linux OR EVEN PIRATED GAMES. I'm mostly ranting and not making a point so i'll say this: if you own something, you can do whatever the hell you want with it. Ignore the government. If they don't know you're doing it, it's not illegal. "Lawmakers" may make it illegal, but I believe that courts will strike the law down. Making a font that boots linux is free speech.
Their business model doesn't suck, it actually makes the printer companies a lot of money.
Fortunately, this strategy seems to only apply to "consumer model" products, so if you get a good laser printer, you'll be fine. I paid a lot for mine (and the one before, $700!), but haven't had to buy a cartridge for four years. You get what you pay for--in my case, not screwed.
Actually, the web is pretty bad with popups. Until I recently started using Mozilla, I had always used Opera with JavaScript disabled. I never understood why everyone was complaining about popups and considered me stupid for not notcing them. Then I used IE for a while (okay, about 10 minutes) at sch ool and noticed that almost every site has popups. I was glad that I had always avoided that. Popups are so easy to block I'm surprised that they're still effective.
The point is that switched networks are no more secure than unswitched networks. Lying about your IP address is not illegal in real life, why should it be illegal to lie to the switch. (I'll admit I know nothing about "arp poisoning" yet, but I assume that it means that when you get an arp who-has packet you tell the switch that YOU have that IP/MAC combo)
If you want a secure network, use ipsec. Then people can sniff your traffic and not get anything useful. But what useful data would you get? Someone's answer to a slashdot poll? Their AIM password? Who cares!?
Windows XP is stable, but the process scheduler just isn't very good. I use NetBeans and Mozilla a lot, and the machine just dies every so often (for a while). Pressing CTRL-ALT-DEL doesn't do anything until windows realizes that it needs to stop jacking off or whaterver it's doing in the background. It'd be nice if I could kill processes quickly like I can in Linux.
All in all, I'll be happy to have my Linux box back from the repair shop. I'm just using my old iMac/233 now. With Linux it's more usuable than that Pentium4 box. *sigh*.
(And before you ask what happened to my computer, I'll tell you. Somebody at my school managed to steal the ram, video card, and literally fry the DC/DC converter in it, and THEN get the machine stuck inside it's case [ a G4 cube ]. So yeah, it needed professional repairs. Moral of the story: injure your roommate when he doesn't lock the door.)
I've been to rather large coffee shops in central tokyo. Try going to the Starbucks at the south exit of Shinjuku station. It's bigger than the ones in suburban illinois (about the same size as the one in chicago on wabash and jackson).
Can these copy-protected CDs be ripped to ISO format and then distributed and burned? If so, it's damn bad copy protection. (Yes, MP3s are slightly more convienient, but a 650M download costs me nothing and a $20 CD costs me $20. So the downloaded ISO wins).
Weird Al's "Running With Scissors" CD is the same; it has a "hidden" data track with an amuzing movie on it. It rips (er.. ripped) fine on my Linux'd iMac.
> Starbucks and Caribou coffee then implemented the policy of never giving a drink to a patron unless the top is on it.
:)
I only sometimes get a top on mine at Starbucks, and never at Caribou. Then again, at Starbucks they tell me something like "here's that drink thing you ordered". On a regular basis. Too bad their coffee is so damn yummy