"because the developers tend to listen only to their smartest customers."
Just seconds before reading this, I watched on IRC as some idiot joined #linux, and started spewing "<MegaHelt> WHO IS BETTER?? LINUX OR WINDOWS....------VOTE !!!!!! SINCE NOW !!!! ONLY ONW VOTE" He was kicked pretty quick since people got tired of listening to him.
If microsoft's products are the result of listening to people like this, I'm *glad* we only listen to the smartest people.
One of the first things we learned when we got to this part of our networking class, was that spanning trees for more than a few nodes is damn near impossible for a human to figure out. We learned how to diagnose the problem if it occurred, we even studied ethernet frame dumps to watch the spanning tree build itself. But, if you weren't there to watch the tree get built, there's no way at all to guess what exactly went wrong with it. You just pull all the bridges and routers, reset them all, and start over.
This was probably caused by a combination of bad hardware, and some nut plugging two branches of the network together that were already connected somehow. The hardware should have recognized this as a loop and cut it, but for some reason it didn't.
Well, hopefully they won't repeat the same loop in their backup network.
Hm, yeah, this year has just about run out. I never seem to catch any advertising for anything other than Treasure Planet though.
The Japanese region 2 Studio Ghibli discs are supposed to be pretty good, and even include an English dub (and dub script subtitles, usually), I just don't have the money to import everything I want to see straight from the source:p
This movie was made by Studio Ghibli, and US distribution rights were bought by Disney, who so far has been doing only so-so at actually getting this stuff out. (Where is my Kiki's Delivery Service DVD? How about Nausicaa or Castle in the Sky, or any of the other good Ghibli titles they've gotten?)
While people seem to be saying there haven't been any advances, and won't be any advances, and such, they're forgetting that the first key step in solving any problem is identifying the problem.
People are complaining about how using stronger employees to lead less-skilled employees doesn't work. People are complaining that the person testing the "bad coder's" code is usually the "bad coder" itself. These complaints begin to define the actual problem of "Why software development isn't improving." Each of these complaints, taken together and addressed, is the first step towards improving software design methodologies.
Why was this trial in California courts rather than the federal court system?
Oh well, at least in California there is precedent now that developing stuff that *may* be used for illegal purposes but isn't necessarially intended to is somewhat less scary.
Of course thats only half of it, if usage of the tools even for non-"illegal" purposes is still illegal. (I use "illegal" here to indicate real copyright infringement, not this dream corporations have that somehow the right to protect their creations from being copied also grants them the right to keep consumers from using the things they have purchased.)
I wonder what the demand for a cheap set-top media station would be. Maybe Microsoft should be making a revised Xbox with this functionality built in, and selling for at least the cost of production.
They probably won't though, since they seem to have this huge blind spot when it comes to things like "reality". A $2k media center? Who is going to buy that when they can get a tivo for far less. (Be realistic. How many average people out there care about anything more than being able to record their favorite sitcom while they're out eating dinner or something?) I expect the price to drop way down after its on the market for a month or two.
If this is on individual computers, I can't see "human intervention" being effective. It might certainly slow the progress of a worm, but I can just see someone getting a pop-up box "Your machine appears to be infected with a virus, should I delete it?" and someone sitting there and hitting "No."
It would probably be more effective as some kind of network device/firewall that eats excessive network connection requests, then lets the administrator know that computer X appears to be infected (bonus points for inspecting packet content to determine type of infection).
In fact, that implementation isn't new, I recall seeing a computer setup at a colocation site setup to inspect http traffic and blocked http requests that looked like code-red infection attempts.
The sim* games used to have a trend towards realism, ever since I started playing them. Starting from my own city, I moved onto bigger and/or more detailed simulations... planets, themeparks, and so on.
And now we get "eating McDonalds to increase the player's stats"... what stats will this increase? Weight? While The Sims isn't supposed to be exactly like life (that is, in my opinion, part of the fun) it should at least parallel it in most ways.
I'm not going to buy this game. It crosses the line between "product placement" and mangling the game to advertise some product. There isn't any reason to support breaking a game world to force advertising into someplace it didn't belong. The days of eating random stuff to gain powers should have gone out with the Nintendo and such wonders as Super Mario Brothers and River City Ransom.
For example, Parasite Eve II had vending machines from a major soft drink company, but only in places where you would expect the machines to be. The machines didn't give you immortality or anything like that, they were just there, without changing the game dynamics in any way.
Re:CMYK, and GIMP UI vs. drop-down menus
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Sure you can. Its not intuitive, but basically you click at one end of your line, release the mouse button, then shift click at the other end of the line. I'd rather have some kind of drag to draw the line, but I don't understand the source enough to make it so. This works on 1.2.3 for me with the pen cil and the paintbrush tool.
Instead of phrasing it as "software blocking sexually explicit sites", try this out and run it by your congressperson: "software possibly blocking some, but not all, sexually explicit sites, as well as other content accidentially or intentionally blocked by the software developer." Tell them its not worth spending your tax money on this.
If nothing else, tell them to require that the software developers list all sites blocked by their software, to ensure that the software is actually doing its job. "After all, if the sites are actually blocked, its not like some little boy will use the list to see things he shouldn't" you can say.
Tell your congressperson that there needs to be a process to review sites that are incorrectly blocked and remove them from the list in a timely manner, with penalties for failing to do so. As well as adding sites that were forgotton.
Finally tell your congressperson that if any software vendor refuses these requirements, they don't have the public's best interests in mind, and if the congressperson votes for a measure without these requirements, neither does he/she.
Personally, I don't think censorship is right. If you let your children on the internet without supervision, you should be responsible for whatever psychiatric bills result.
Aside from the somewhat confusing specification (I have copied a working P3P xml file, and made changes and still can't get it to work "right" in IE) I can't figure out how to make the P3P standard cover our particular case.
As a "web application" development and hosting company (read: writing and hosting custom shopping carts mostly), I can make a P3P policy that covers our use of the information easily. However, what about the 30+ companies I host for? Do I need seperate policies for each of them? If I write a policy for them, and they don't like it, will they sue me? Even if the policy is true? Can I write one policy for the whole batch and hope that the "good" companies don't sue me for being included with the companies that sell all your information AND your newborn babies for cash?
Not only that, but the information-sharing parts aren't all that hot... all of them appear to assume that the policy creator/hoster is the "primary" user of information... in my case, I only use administrative access (backups, restores) to the information, its the individual companies who use the personal information.
I could use "other-recipient", but I have this bad feeling that browsers will balk at that. The definition of "ours" talks about other entities that we collect data for, but it just seems a little shady that way.
In the end, I suppose I'll wind up having each company create their own.
Text-based browsing is the way to go for "clandestine" browsing sessions. Especially if your job consists of programming anyway, from a distance it all looks the same.
Even better, if you're a web developer, just browse in source form, then nobody at all will be able to tell you're slacking off instead of working on the new internet site.
There are 250 Million blank CDRs and tapes bought and used this year for copying music in comparison to 213 Million prerecorded audio media
Where do they get this number? I personally have over 500 full cd-r's, and none of them contain any music at all. (nor do they contain movies, warez, or even porn).
Nearly all of them are backups, ISOs of Linux distributions or various BSD versions, mirrors of archives, picture CD's I've made from my digital camera or the like. (the rest are sitting on a spool on my desk, waiting to be used.)
The music industry seriously needs to re-evaluate its paranoid stance. Not everyone is out to rip it off (pun intended). Someone needs to let the various governments of the world know that the music industry has forgotten to take its big purple pills that make everything OK, and that they shouldn't take the music industry seriously during these unfortunate episodes.
Is that they're so damn hot. I'll wear a suit as soon as they come with personal air conditioning, or when the company decides to keep the building at 60 degrees year round.
Otherwise, the image I'd present to whoever walks in would be a guy who just got out of the bathtub, with his clothes on.
Fortunately, my job only requires slacks and a button down shirt. My last job only required that I didn't wear cutoffs, bare my midriff, or have any profanity on me. Hopefully my next job won't get any stricter on the dress code.
Re:Is eBay the most appropriate venue for indies?
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Ebay's buy it now feature makes it possible for people to not have to worry about the actual auction... want to sell cd's for $5 each? set the starting bid to 4.99 or something and set buy it now at 5.
Not only that, but I seem to recall reading that ebay is starting fixed-price sales too.
Combating Misuse of the DMCA
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If we're going to continue living under the weight of the DMCA, etc. we are going to need a law to combat the misuse (intentional or not) of it.
It would be nice to be able to disbar any lawyer claiming to represent the copyright holder of a given item, when in fact they don't. That would put a stop to some of the stories I've heard about unchecked computerized searches for infringing content. It would be especially nice to make attempting to extort money for the same a criminal fraud offence.
It would also be nice that if someone tells an ISP to remove infringing content, only to have it turn out to be not-infringing, they should have to pay the ISP for their time and effort, and they should have to pay damages to the owner of the removed site.
that extending copyright and patent coverage doesn't do anything to increase the incentive to create. Really, count the number of books originally published in 1950, and count the number still being published 50+ years later. When you make this comparison, you'll realize that its such a tiny fraction of people being "helped" by these extensions, that they're more harm than good. How many of these people are actually companies?
For patents, what is the value of a patent on the technology used by the 8088 processor today? Other than the coolness factor of owning the patent, continuing to extend an outdated patent does nothing to further the progress of science. All the patent is good for is to make it illegal for me to build an 8088, even as part of learning to build processors, in the pursuit of making scientific progress in building better processors. (I just picked this out of my head, I don't know whether there is an existing valid patent on the 8088 or not)
The article is right, the summary on slashdot is wrong.
After all, who in their right mind would think you could make a modchip to make an Xbox play PS2 games? they're entirely different architectures. You might as well gut an XBox and a PS2 and put the whole innards into the XBox case.
Still, it would be cool... imagine how many final fantasy savegames you could fit onto that harddrive.
"Change the law or no native australian Xboxes"... thats what it sounded like. Everyone will import them from US or Japan, and play games on them, with the modchips that let them do so.
Someone at Microsoft didn't think this one through. Austrailia appears to be well on the ball regarding the rights of its citizens to access content they've purchased. The ACCC (http://www.accc.gov.au/) routinely stands against region restrictions in various forms, whether its games or dvds.
Will they budge? Who knows. This is all saber rattling on Microsoft's part, since whether or not they cut XBox sales in Australia, they'll still get the (well, negative amounts of) money when consumers start importing.
If Palladium is supposed to increase security by allowing only signed programs to execute, what keeps it from executing signed programs in a "bad" manner. For instance, IIS will be signed, and deltree.exe will be signed, what will keep IIS from executing deltree.exe c: in response to one of the many remote exploits in it. The same goes for Office scripts... Office will definitely be signed, so what makes sure that the code run by office will be secure? How about other interpreted languages?
I forgot the name of this, but I recall an experiment with a liquid that cycled repeatedly through clear, brown, and purple colors (for a while, one of the components (hydrogen peroxide I think) eventually ran out)
My suggestion is that you buy your girlfriend a cubic zirconium ring, it looks the same to an untrained eye. Just because its cheaper doesn't mean get it bigger... then there will more eyes.
Next, explain this to your girlfriend. Don't try to pass it off to her, because it won't work. She's going to show it to her friends, and one of them is going to say "Honey, that's a zirconium. I've gotten three of them in my life." Or something like that.
She might even find it touching how you care about these people and are willing to buck "tradition" to show it. Explain that you're getting the cubic zirconium to keep up appearances, and then come up with something to make up for it. (Thinking about it, while you're bucking tradition, you could help pay for a bigger wedding...)
Your other choice is to talk it over with her first. Sure, it will take away the spontaniety of the whole "popping the question" thing, but it will avoid much grief on both your parts if she's not going to be happy with a cubic zirconium ring, or doesn't understand why you worry about "those grubby, leeching third-worlders". She's the only one to tell you for certain what an acceptable substitute would be.
From my father's experience, I've learned that its downright difficult to be a lone inventor... He started his own company to build and rent out his invention (a water treatment unit), and found that between bigger companies simply deciding it would be cheaper to not pay him, and buraucracy and red tape, it just wasn't worth it. The sad truth these days seems to be that if you aren't a big company, nobody cares, except maybe the government (its always handing out loans to small businesses). Bigger companies will take advantage of you, simply because they can wait forever on their bills knowing that you probably can't afford to get them collected by force. Small companies (for the most part) still have to fill out all the same forms and get the same approvals from the government as a big company. Finally, if all that wasn't bad enough, its hard to attract clients in this economy when they believe you'll probably not last to the end of the year. They'll go with XYZ, Inc... they've been around for decades, they'll be there when the client wants warranty repair or whatever service.
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Just seconds before reading this, I watched on IRC as some idiot joined #linux, and started spewing "<MegaHelt> WHO IS BETTER?? LINUX OR WINDOWS....------VOTE !!!!!! SINCE NOW !!!! ONLY ONW VOTE" He was kicked pretty quick since people got tired of listening to him.
If microsoft's products are the result of listening to people like this, I'm *glad* we only listen to the smartest people.
Its just too complex for people to understand.
One of the first things we learned when we got to this part of our networking class, was that spanning trees for more than a few nodes is damn near impossible for a human to figure out. We learned how to diagnose the problem if it occurred, we even studied ethernet frame dumps to watch the spanning tree build itself. But, if you weren't there to watch the tree get built, there's no way at all to guess what exactly went wrong with it. You just pull all the bridges and routers, reset them all, and start over.
This was probably caused by a combination of bad hardware, and some nut plugging two branches of the network together that were already connected somehow. The hardware should have recognized this as a loop and cut it, but for some reason it didn't.
Well, hopefully they won't repeat the same loop in their backup network.
Hm, yeah, this year has just about run out. I never seem to catch any advertising for anything other than Treasure Planet though.
:p
The Japanese region 2 Studio Ghibli discs are supposed to be pretty good, and even include an English dub (and dub script subtitles, usually), I just don't have the money to import everything I want to see straight from the source
This movie was made by Studio Ghibli, and US distribution rights were bought by Disney, who so far has been doing only so-so at actually getting this stuff out. (Where is my Kiki's Delivery Service DVD? How about Nausicaa or Castle in the Sky, or any of the other good Ghibli titles they've gotten?)
While people seem to be saying there haven't been any advances, and won't be any advances, and such, they're forgetting that the first key step in solving any problem is identifying the problem.
People are complaining about how using stronger employees to lead less-skilled employees doesn't work. People are complaining that the person testing the "bad coder's" code is usually the "bad coder" itself. These complaints begin to define the actual problem of "Why software development isn't improving." Each of these complaints, taken together and addressed, is the first step towards improving software design methodologies.
Why was this trial in California courts rather than the federal court system?
Oh well, at least in California there is precedent now that developing stuff that *may* be used for illegal purposes but isn't necessarially intended to is somewhat less scary.
Of course thats only half of it, if usage of the tools even for non-"illegal" purposes is still illegal. (I use "illegal" here to indicate real copyright infringement, not this dream corporations have that somehow the right to protect their creations from being copied also grants them the right to keep consumers from using the things they have purchased.)
I wonder what the demand for a cheap set-top media station would be. Maybe Microsoft should be making a revised Xbox with this functionality built in, and selling for at least the cost of production.
They probably won't though, since they seem to have this huge blind spot when it comes to things like "reality". A $2k media center? Who is going to buy that when they can get a tivo for far less. (Be realistic. How many average people out there care about anything more than being able to record their favorite sitcom while they're out eating dinner or something?) I expect the price to drop way down after its on the market for a month or two.
If this is on individual computers, I can't see "human intervention" being effective. It might certainly slow the progress of a worm, but I can just see someone getting a pop-up box "Your machine appears to be infected with a virus, should I delete it?" and someone sitting there and hitting "No."
It would probably be more effective as some kind of network device/firewall that eats excessive network connection requests, then lets the administrator know that computer X appears to be infected (bonus points for inspecting packet content to determine type of infection).
In fact, that implementation isn't new, I recall seeing a computer setup at a colocation site setup to inspect http traffic and blocked http requests that looked like code-red infection attempts.
The sim* games used to have a trend towards realism, ever since I started playing them. Starting from my own city, I moved onto bigger and/or more detailed simulations... planets, themeparks, and so on.
And now we get "eating McDonalds to increase the player's stats"... what stats will this increase? Weight? While The Sims isn't supposed to be exactly like life (that is, in my opinion, part of the fun) it should at least parallel it in most ways.
I'm not going to buy this game. It crosses the line between "product placement" and mangling the game to advertise some product. There isn't any reason to support breaking a game world to force advertising into someplace it didn't belong. The days of eating random stuff to gain powers should have gone out with the Nintendo and such wonders as Super Mario Brothers and River City Ransom.
For example, Parasite Eve II had vending machines from a major soft drink company, but only in places where you would expect the machines to be. The machines didn't give you immortality or anything like that, they were just there, without changing the game dynamics in any way.
Sure you can. Its not intuitive, but basically you click at one end of your line, release the mouse button, then shift click at the other end of the line. I'd rather have some kind of drag to draw the line, but I don't understand the source enough to make it so. This works on 1.2.3 for me with the pen cil and the paintbrush tool.
Instead of phrasing it as "software blocking sexually explicit sites", try this out and run it by your congressperson: "software possibly blocking some, but not all, sexually explicit sites, as well as other content accidentially or intentionally blocked by the software developer." Tell them its not worth spending your tax money on this.
If nothing else, tell them to require that the software developers list all sites blocked by their software, to ensure that the software is actually doing its job. "After all, if the sites are actually blocked, its not like some little boy will use the list to see things he shouldn't" you can say.
Tell your congressperson that there needs to be a process to review sites that are incorrectly blocked and remove them from the list in a timely manner, with penalties for failing to do so. As well as adding sites that were forgotton.
Finally tell your congressperson that if any software vendor refuses these requirements, they don't have the public's best interests in mind, and if the congressperson votes for a measure without these requirements, neither does he/she.
Personally, I don't think censorship is right. If you let your children on the internet without supervision, you should be responsible for whatever psychiatric bills result.
And here I was thinking that securityfocus and CERT had been rooted by script kiddies!
Aside from the somewhat confusing specification (I have copied a working P3P xml file, and made changes and still can't get it to work "right" in IE) I can't figure out how to make the P3P standard cover our particular case.
As a "web application" development and hosting company (read: writing and hosting custom shopping carts mostly), I can make a P3P policy that covers our use of the information easily. However, what about the 30+ companies I host for? Do I need seperate policies for each of them? If I write a policy for them, and they don't like it, will they sue me? Even if the policy is true? Can I write one policy for the whole batch and hope that the "good" companies don't sue me for being included with the companies that sell all your information AND your newborn babies for cash?
Not only that, but the information-sharing parts aren't all that hot... all of them appear to assume that the policy creator/hoster is the "primary" user of information... in my case, I only use administrative access (backups, restores) to the information, its the individual companies who use the personal information.
I could use "other-recipient", but I have this bad feeling that browsers will balk at that. The definition of "ours" talks about other entities that we collect data for, but it just seems a little shady that way.
In the end, I suppose I'll wind up having each company create their own.
Text-based browsing is the way to go for "clandestine" browsing sessions. Especially if your job consists of programming anyway, from a distance it all looks the same.
Even better, if you're a web developer, just browse in source form, then nobody at all will be able to tell you're slacking off instead of working on the new internet site.
Where do they get this number? I personally have over 500 full cd-r's, and none of them contain any music at all. (nor do they contain movies, warez, or even porn).
Nearly all of them are backups, ISOs of Linux distributions or various BSD versions, mirrors of archives, picture CD's I've made from my digital camera or the like. (the rest are sitting on a spool on my desk, waiting to be used.)
The music industry seriously needs to re-evaluate its paranoid stance. Not everyone is out to rip it off (pun intended). Someone needs to let the various governments of the world know that the music industry has forgotten to take its big purple pills that make everything OK, and that they shouldn't take the music industry seriously during these unfortunate episodes.
Is that they're so damn hot. I'll wear a suit as soon as they come with personal air conditioning, or when the company decides to keep the building at 60 degrees year round.
Otherwise, the image I'd present to whoever walks in would be a guy who just got out of the bathtub, with his clothes on.
Fortunately, my job only requires slacks and a button down shirt. My last job only required that I didn't wear cutoffs, bare my midriff, or have any profanity on me. Hopefully my next job won't get any stricter on the dress code.
Ebay's buy it now feature makes it possible for people to not have to worry about the actual auction... want to sell cd's for $5 each? set the starting bid to 4.99 or something and set buy it now at 5.
Not only that, but I seem to recall reading that ebay is starting fixed-price sales too.
If we're going to continue living under the weight of the DMCA, etc. we are going to need a law to combat the misuse (intentional or not) of it.
It would be nice to be able to disbar any lawyer claiming to represent the copyright holder of a given item, when in fact they don't. That would put a stop to some of the stories I've heard about unchecked computerized searches for infringing content. It would be especially nice to make attempting to extort money for the same a criminal fraud offence.
It would also be nice that if someone tells an ISP to remove infringing content, only to have it turn out to be not-infringing, they should have to pay the ISP for their time and effort, and they should have to pay damages to the owner of the removed site.
that extending copyright and patent coverage doesn't do anything to increase the incentive to create. Really, count the number of books originally published in 1950, and count the number still being published 50+ years later. When you make this comparison, you'll realize that its such a tiny fraction of people being "helped" by these extensions, that they're more harm than good. How many of these people are actually companies?
For patents, what is the value of a patent on the technology used by the 8088 processor today? Other than the coolness factor of owning the patent, continuing to extend an outdated patent does nothing to further the progress of science. All the patent is good for is to make it illegal for me to build an 8088, even as part of learning to build processors, in the pursuit of making scientific progress in building better processors. (I just picked this out of my head, I don't know whether there is an existing valid patent on the 8088 or not)
The article is right, the summary on slashdot is wrong.
After all, who in their right mind would think you could make a modchip to make an Xbox play PS2 games? they're entirely different architectures. You might as well gut an XBox and a PS2 and put the whole innards into the XBox case.
Still, it would be cool... imagine how many final fantasy savegames you could fit onto that harddrive.
"Change the law or no native australian Xboxes"... thats what it sounded like. Everyone will import them from US or Japan, and play games on them, with the modchips that let them do so.
Someone at Microsoft didn't think this one through. Austrailia appears to be well on the ball regarding the rights of its citizens to access content they've purchased. The ACCC (http://www.accc.gov.au/) routinely stands against region restrictions in various forms, whether its games or dvds.
Will they budge? Who knows. This is all saber rattling on Microsoft's part, since whether or not they cut XBox sales in Australia, they'll still get the (well, negative amounts of) money when consumers start importing.
If Palladium is supposed to increase security by allowing only signed programs to execute, what keeps it from executing signed programs in a "bad" manner. For instance, IIS will be signed, and deltree.exe will be signed, what will keep IIS from executing deltree.exe c: in response to one of the many remote exploits in it. The same goes for Office scripts... Office will definitely be signed, so what makes sure that the code run by office will be secure? How about other interpreted languages?
I forgot the name of this, but I recall an experiment with a liquid that cycled repeatedly through clear, brown, and purple colors (for a while, one of the components (hydrogen peroxide I think) eventually ran out)
Its a pretty display at least.
My suggestion is that you buy your girlfriend a cubic zirconium ring, it looks the same to an untrained eye. Just because its cheaper doesn't mean get it bigger... then there will more eyes.
Next, explain this to your girlfriend. Don't try to pass it off to her, because it won't work. She's going to show it to her friends, and one of them is going to say "Honey, that's a zirconium. I've gotten three of them in my life." Or something like that.
She might even find it touching how you care about these people and are willing to buck "tradition" to show it. Explain that you're getting the cubic zirconium to keep up appearances, and then come up with something to make up for it. (Thinking about it, while you're bucking tradition, you could help pay for a bigger wedding...)
Your other choice is to talk it over with her first. Sure, it will take away the spontaniety of the whole "popping the question" thing, but it will avoid much grief on both your parts if she's not going to be happy with a cubic zirconium ring, or doesn't understand why you worry about "those grubby, leeching third-worlders". She's the only one to tell you for certain what an acceptable substitute would be.
From my father's experience, I've learned that its downright difficult to be a lone inventor...
He started his own company to build and rent out his invention (a water treatment unit), and found that between bigger companies simply deciding it would be cheaper to not pay him, and buraucracy and red tape, it just wasn't worth it.
The sad truth these days seems to be that if you aren't a big company, nobody cares, except maybe the government (its always handing out loans to small businesses). Bigger companies will take advantage of you, simply because they can wait forever on their bills knowing that you probably can't afford to get them collected by force. Small companies (for the most part) still have to fill out all the same forms and get the same approvals from the government as a big company. Finally, if all that wasn't bad enough, its hard to attract clients in this economy when they believe you'll probably not last to the end of the year. They'll go with XYZ, Inc... they've been around for decades, they'll be there when the client wants warranty repair or whatever service.