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The Myth of the Lone Inventor

Codex The Sloth writes "Malcolm Gladwell (who amongst other things, wrote "The Tipping Point") has written an article for the New Yorker claiming that the role of the lone inventor is over. The example of Philo T. Fransworth (the "inventor" of Television) who failed because (amongst other reasons) he didn't have the big resources of a company to allow him to focus on his innovations. The thesis is that it is rare to have a single innovation that makes a product workable and that getting all of the inovations together requires a (large) corporation. No doubt others feel different."

296 comments

  1. But what about Dean Kamen? by cliffy2000 · · Score: 0, Troll

    Ginger! Oh, tell me that the Segway isn't huge!
    Come on, you KNOW it exceeded expectations!
    DeKa enterprises is far from over, my friend. And Dean Kamen, the uber-inventor, will return. Oh, yes... Kamen -- the lone inventor -- will return.

    1. Re:But what about Dean Kamen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's an inventor... with a large team, and a large company. Do you really believe he built this Segway entirely by himself? He may have dreamed up the idea, but I'd bet he had some help with the actual design and construction.

    2. Re:But what about Dean Kamen? by gad_zuki! · · Score: 4, Informative
      That's PR and an advertising myth. Dean works for DEKA a corporation. He has also founded and sold his other corporations. He didn't piece the segway in his garage with his son on boring sunday afternoons or something. From their website:

      Founded in 1982 by Dean Kamen, DEKA consisted of a relatively small group of individuals and lots of innovative ideas. Today, almost 200 engineers, technicians, and machinists work in our electronics and software engineering labs, machine shop, and on CAD stations. Our facilities have been designed to promote constant interaction between and within the engineering groups. Our on-site machine shop and molding facility are central to the success of our projects; ideas are prototyped and tested in record time.
    3. Re:But what about Dean Kamen? by Teknogeek · · Score: 0

      > Ginger! Oh, tell me that the Segway isn't huge!

      The what?

      Oh, yeah, that thing that makes you look like someone who's too lazy to ride a bike.

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    4. Re:But what about Dean Kamen? by jo42 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Didn't he piss away something like $100 million in investor monies, and hire dozens of people, to build that stupid two wheeled lump of doo-doo?

    5. Re:But what about Dean Kamen? by acidfast7 · · Score: 1
      I went to college with someone working at DEKA Research and Development performing research on thermal-cycle engines. While interviewing for a position, he learned that DeKa lives on his own island and commutes via helicopter to Manchester. Also, he has an arial image of his island with the text "The Only 100% Scientifically Literate Society" (or something similar, as he only caught a passing glance at the image) printed below.

      DeKa has some very interesting patents ... including something described by others as a robotic tampon.

    6. Re:But what about Dean Kamen? by chocho99 · · Score: 1

      Wait a second, Ive gone through the entire article, and not once is Alex Chiu mentioned...

    7. Re:But what about Dean Kamen? by bergeron76 · · Score: 1

      DeKa Corporation is named after himself: DEan KAmen

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    8. Re:But what about Dean Kamen? by Kylow · · Score: 1

      Well sure, Ginger was developed by a team, but Kamen has a long history of invention, much of which came before he had a team. Case in point, he invented a wheelchair that could climb stairs. There's no doubt that collaboration acchieves much faster inventive success, but to suggest that individual invention is defunct is rather short-sighted, imho.

  2. Lone inventors by milkme123 · · Score: 1

    it may take the resources of a corp to bring it to market, but the article makes lone inventors sound useless.. if there weren't any, the corps would have no one to fund.

    1. Re:Lone inventors by Seehund · · Score: 1
      the article makes lone inventors sound useless..

      "So, you say we lone inventors are useless eh? You Fools! One day I will change your minds! You will all gape in awe before my Diabolic Doomsday Device. Muahahahahaaa!"

      I think the myth of the lone inventor is very much alive, at least in fiction. :)

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  3. BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't care what anyone tells you, I am the lone inventor of the Cleveland Steamer.

  4. I believe it's true... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We're reaching a point where it's incredibly difficult for a single individual to develop new inventions of any significance because of complexity. There is still a role for innovation by individuals, however.

    Even though software programs aren't inventions in the normal sense, I think this is one area where individuals can still have a huge impact, although we're also seeing most large software projects written by teams.

    1. Re:I believe it's true... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Invention is pointless if you need an army of lawyers to turn an idea into a product.

    2. Re:I believe it's true... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huge Corporations products are usually crap, especially software. Its the mid to small size startups and companies that believe in the power of the workers. A 10 person think tank could probably easily outdo a 10,000 employee corporation for new and innovative ideas.

    3. Re:I believe it's true... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're reaching a point where it's incredibly difficult for a single individual to develop new inventions of any significance because of complexity. There is still a role for innovation by individuals, however.

      I disagree, it is not complexity that single individuals find difficult, rather it is holding on to one's invention after the initial idea.

      A lot of companies now claim rights to any ideas you have (as part of their employment agreements). Even if no such agreement exists, most corporations know that they can squeeze out an individual because they can't afford a good attorney.

      A prime example is the guy that invented intermitant windshield wipers for cars. The big automakers took a look at it and said "This is a good idea, I'm glad we thought of it." and the guy spent the rest of his life in court trying to get a few pennies in royalites.

  5. what a bunch of crap by sydlexic · · Score: 1

    this has been said repeatedly. and it's always been proven wrong; just reading ANKOS is reassuring that there is plenty of open pastures ahead for the lone inventor. to be sure, though, the US "gubment" is sure working hard to make it come true.

  6. Fransworth? by estes_grover · · Score: 1

    ummm, that'd be FARNSWORTH....see first sentence of the article ...

    1. Re:Fransworth? by BitHive · · Score: 1
      That's not all, they misspelled his first name and middle intial! Hubert J. Farnsworth

      Sheesh.

    2. Re:Fransworth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, are'nt we clever, spotting transposed characters.

  7. Human Knowledge Growth by EricBoyd · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is almost certainly true. The days where one human could contain enough of our knowledge in order to make a technologically *useful* advance in that knowledge, in a short period of time, are long over.

    Sure, one guy might have an idea, but it would take him years to get all the peices together - just determining if it's gonna work or not! (let alone actually manufacturing it, etc.).

    Now, there are places where a good idea can make a difference immediatly - the internet being one of them. But even there, getting people to look at it requires resources...

    Websuring done right! StumbleUpon

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    1. Re:Human Knowledge Growth by BlueboyX · · Score: 2

      "This is almost certainly true. The days where one human could contain enough of our knowledge in order to make a technologically *useful* advance in that knowledge, in a short period of time, are long over."

      Um, that has been the case since before Thomas Edison. Pretty much everything he came up with took years to develop. And he wasn't working alone; he had a team working with him.

      Single inventers can still invent, but it never was an easy process.

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    2. Re:Human Knowledge Growth by Jennifer+E.+Elaan · · Score: 0, Redundant
      I personally believe that you are wrong. One person can certainly learn enough technical knowledge to invent things. In fact, I've been structuring my life around learning enough to do the things that are "too hard for one person".

      At the moment (and I'm only 20), I write compilers and OS-level code for fun, I design and build innumerable electronic devices, I design chemical processes (primarily for PC-boards currently), I do theoretical math and physics, I'm learning machining and woodworking, and I read medical texts on the side. AND I've almost figured out a homegrown process for SOI IC fabrication. *WHEW*

      I'm a firm believer that merely dropping the attitude "I can't learn it because I'm too [stupid/specialized/etc]" is all that's really required. Human capability is limitless if you push hard enough.

    3. Re:Human Knowledge Growth by Bender_ · · Score: 1
      AND I've almost figured out a homegrown process for SOI IC fabrication. ..


      Nah.. I believe you the other stuff, but not this one. There is more to it than just setting up some deposition/ablation order..

    4. Re:Human Knowledge Growth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, are you really a chica??

    5. Re:Human Knowledge Growth by tius · · Score: 1

      Agreed. The biggest obstacle to any human endevour is that little sticky note in the front of the brain that says, "Can't,...too difficult."

      One often doesn't know what is down some path until one actually walks that path. The genius aspect is in intelligently pruning side paths that are 'likely' of little value.

    6. Re:Human Knowledge Growth by Jennifer+E.+Elaan · · Score: 1
      Oh, there IS more to it, for sure. Perhaps I should have been more clear.... It's SOI, but it's not VLSI... With any luck I should be able to make TTL and other SSI chips when I get the equipment.

      VLSI is a whole other ball of wax... I'd need to tighten up pretty much the ENTIRE system, and THEN make it work with CMOS. The process is really optimized for TTL (which is simpler, and has nice big featuresizes that you can draw with, for instance, an inkjet head).

      Doing the amount of layers involved in a CMOS process can be quite nasty.

  8. But uh ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about DVD's??

    one guy working on creating a blue laser made DVD's a possiblity.

    the new lone inventor won't create full product, but will create the one innovation that was bottlenecking an industry.

  9. yea right.. by rootlocus · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "...the role of the lone inventor is over"

    Tell that to Linus Torvalds, Larry Wall, Bram Moolenaar, etc etc... The role of the lone inventor is still very much alive when it comes to open source software...

    1. Re:yea right.. by GiorgioG · · Score: 1

      Did these people invent something or did they just produce another type of pre-existing product - i.e. an Operating System?

    2. Re:yea right.. by Phosphor3k · · Score: 1

      Not to be an ass, but since when is programming inventing? It's no more inventing than art (painting, music) is. Art has always been a category that lone creators are part of.

    3. Re:yea right.. by rootlocus · · Score: 1

      Since you can be awarded patents for software, that kind of puts it in a different category than art..

      I'm not necessarily agreeing with the idea of software patents (actually I think most of them are just stupid).. But I'm just pointing out that programming is legally closer to inventing (as described in the article) than it is to art...

    4. Re:yea right.. by coupland · · Score: 2

      If we all relied purely on the inventions of Linus Torvalds we'd have a cool piece of software that booted up and did sweet f-all... It would also be much more primitive than it currently is.

      Linux (GNU/Linux???) is a shining example of collaborative invention. It is absolutely not an example of a lone inventor, you've been reading too much ZDnet my friend...

    5. Re:yea right.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thats GNU/Linus

    6. Re:yea right.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linus did not invent any of the concepts that UNIX is based on.

    7. Re:yea right.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What have Linus, Larry, or Bram invented? I hope you agree that Linux
      and Perl are hardly novel ideas. Unless of
      course you define invention whatever the US Patent office approves, in
      which case, I agree, for them almost everything
      might qualify as "invention".

    8. Re:yea right.. by bentini · · Score: 5, Insightful
      As far as I can tell, these people have, respectively "invented" Linux, Perl and Vim, which are respectively marginal improvements (in certain senses) of UNIX, AWK, and ed/sed. They all at least have various philosophical similarities to what I have described as their predecessors.

      These three inventions were all made by Bell Labs. Bell Labs was supported only by the telephone monopoly, aka the biggest corporation in the world. I'd say that that is a far cry from a "lone inventor." What it once took a genius years to do, it eventually takes anyone no time at all. You understand the laws of motion (probably) and gravity, which is more than can be said of anyone living in the 12th Century. You can create new applications of those problems, but that doesn't make you the inventor of them. Even if you recast them and re-write them.

    9. Re:yea right.. by EricV314a · · Score: 1

      If it's an operating system like none seen before, then I think it's safe to call it an invention.

    10. Re:yea right.. by chuckcolby · · Score: 1

      Well, I'm not much for pontificating, but it seems to me that Linus did a magnificent job of building a kernel for cheap hardware. I agree that's hardly inventing, so much as reconfiguring. But what about the GPL? Does that constitute an invention? Then again, is M$'s licensing scheme a (mad) invention?

      Maybe we need food for thought on this like a fish needs a bicycle, but I thought I'd throw those out there.

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    11. Re:yea right.. by King+of+the+World · · Score: 1
      God is in the details.

      And God's name, is Linus.

    12. Re:yea right.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linus based Linux on Minix.

      Anyway, even farnsworth incorporated ideas that were in existence prior to his "invention" .. the advance was incremental, and couldnt have been done without the work of Nipkow and whole list of others.

      Read the article!

      The british say John Logie Baird invented television, cause he made the first mechanical TV, farnsworth made a cathode ray based TV (the idea of making one was conceived before him). So when they make Tv's out of LCD's who's going to get the credit for invented tel;evision (since Baird wasn't given credit cause hios was mechanical .. are we going to sayu "farnsworth's was CRT based"

      Nobody recently invented anything completely alone that wasnt based on existing ideas.

    13. Re:yea right.. by nathanh · · Score: 2
      "...the role of the lone inventor is over" Tell that to Linus Torvalds, Larry Wall, Bram Moolenaar, etc etc... The role of the lone inventor is still very much alive when it comes to open source software...

      In what way is Linux an invention? If anybody invented Linux it was Ken Thompson when he invented UNIX, and even that is giving too much credit to Ken because UNIX borrowed many concepts from other systems.

      Ken Thompson works for AT&T.

    14. Re:yea right.. by jo42 · · Score: 1

      Linus is no inventor. He just crapped out some code, released it, and about 10 years later with dozens of people kludging away at it, the Linux kernel is approaching something useful.

    15. Re:yea right.. by Dante'sPrayer · · Score: 1

      The inventor of the pen only produced another type pf pre-existing goose feather.

    16. Re:yea right.. by fferreres · · Score: 2

      Lonely investors backed by a huge corporation. Bell Labs couldn't have done squat without ritchie and co. It was not a "targeted" invention. It just happens because someone did it.

      The fact that these people worked at Bell is not surprising, since in their field it was an obvious choice to be working for Bell or some other few companies.

      Joe Farmer would not have invented this one. Someone in the field had to do it, and these people had jobs.

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    17. Re:yea right.. by psaltes · · Score: 2

      AWK was created by three people, Aho, Weinberger, and Kernighan; they happened to do this at Bell Labs.

      reference

      Ed was in fact based on an earlier program QED, written at Berkeley by Butler Lampson and Peter Deutsch. And ed itself was written by Ken Thompson.

      reference

      UNIX, I will grant you, was designed by a 'division of bell labs'. But really, one out of three? That's a pretty low accuracy rate. I guess if you sound authoritative enough people will believe and mod up.

      The names behind ed/qed and awk are some of the most recognized forces behind early development of computing systems. I mean, even the _article_ about qed was written by Dennis Ritchie. Perhaps not all _lone_ inventors, but there's not much difference for practical purposes between three and one.

      Just because some things were created by people working for bell labs doesn't mean that they were created by the telephone monopoly.

    18. Re:yea right.. by ahfoo · · Score: 2

      This, "he is not and inventor because . . . ", or "she truly was an inventor because . . " issue is coming up over and over and it points to a rhetorical fault in the original article that is so huge that it makes me question whether the author has a proper background in basic composition skills.
      WTF is an inventor? This is an essential element of the author's topic that can have numerous meanings and the author never clarified what the term meant in the context of the essay. Had it been a piece of fiction, I would overlook this, but the paper is clearly intended to be read as an essay based on research.
      He gets a C minus and I'll allow a re-write in the next week, but he can only go up one letter grade if he successfully completes the re-write and has it published in the New Yorker.
      And Filo Farnsworth, please! That's one particularly weak example to be drawing such an enormous and vaguely stated conclusion from. I'd like to see Farraday and Bell's achievments belittled as well if the goal is to simply lash out at the notion of technical creativity. But if you're going to go that far, perhaps you ought to read a bit of Nietzche and Sartre and get a better feeling for the Nihilist tone.

    19. Re:yea right.. by bentini · · Score: 2
      But really, one out of three?

      Wow, I haven't been flamed for a while. Thanks for the opportunity. AWK was designed by people at Bell Labs. That counts. As was UNIX. That counts. That is two, in and of itself. These people didn't just happen to be working by themselves in the same building. They were bouncing the ideas off of everyone in their department, no doubt. That lunch table must have been exciting.

      I will admit that I had not remembered qed, and I gracefully cede that point.

      In reference to your point that "there's not much difference ... between three and one." I obviously disagree. There is a difference between one student working on his own to make a kernel that he wants to use and three people working in the context of a department where they are creating a whole new system as a group, even if each individual piece was made separately. That's not a lone inventor, that's modularization.

    20. Re:yea right.. by rockrat · · Score: 1
      Alcohol and Calculus don't mix. Never drink and derive!

      I have to take exception to this! Beerculus, aka beer-enhanced-calculus, has been an integral part of my college education. Those long hours deriving useless theorems go much faster when you're buzzed.

    21. Re:yea right.. by EricV314a · · Score: 1

      which is what Apple said to Micro$oft after the release of windows95...

    22. Re:yea right.. by Junks+Jerzey · · Score: 2

      As far as I can tell, these people have, respectively "invented" Linux, Perl and Vim, which are respectively marginal improvements (in certain senses) of UNIX, AWK, and ed/sed.

      I'd argue that Perl is a much greater leap than the other two. Linux basically is just an Open Source version of UNIX (though I know it pains many young 'uns to admit this), and vim is vi with some extra features. But Perl was fundamentally new in many ways, unless you want to get into one of those "all books only have seven plots" discussions.

      Of course while Perl may have initially been created by Larry Wall, dozens and dozens of people have had a hand in it since then.

    23. Re:yea right.. by Zeinfeld · · Score: 2
      Ed was in fact based on an earlier program QED, written at Berkeley by Butler Lampson and Peter Deutsch. And ed itself was written by Ken Thompson.

      That is irrelevant for a number of reasons, first all the UNIX guys were employed by Bell labs and had the resources of the lab there to assist them when they needed it. Without the computer they would not have done any programming at all - and in those days a computer cost $250K +++ which was a lot of money then.

      Moreover Ed did not invent the concept of an editor, it was no more than an implementation of what had been a well established concept for ten years or more. It may look today what someone would produce as a prototype, but even then it was not novel.

      There probably never was a true age of the lone inventor. Even Stephenson (1st commercial steam engine, winner of the Rainhill trials) had a large support staff. Edison invented a few things on his own but was much more effective after he set up his research lab.

      Hopefully the age of the lone inventor is over, if someone has the talent and imagination they should be able to find funding today. At the very least there is the Internet which provides an unprecedented support network.

      The lone inventor ideal is pretty much like the ideal of the 'amateur athlete' which really boils down to a pretty snobish view that sports should be reserved for the elite classes rich enough not to have to work for a living.

      There is certainly a sense in which there might be a return of the 'lone' developer. Whereas doing cutting edge research used to be largely restricted to people with access to first rate academic libraries and lab facities the low cost of computers and the Web mean that the institution you are at counts for much less. And windfall profits from dotcom IPOs mean that quite a few folk can choose to give up the day job.

      Even so, most people who are inventive would prefer to have the resorces available to them as the Chief Scientist or CTO of an Internet startup than try to do it absolutely on their own.

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    24. Re:yea right.. by psaltes · · Score: 2

      Ok, I guess I went somewhat overboard; sorry about that.

      The point I was trying to make though (and hopefully I will present it in a less heated tone here) is that not much is truly created by a large corporation. You said that all these things were invented by Bell, the telephone monopoly. While it certainly can't be said that you are lying, I was just trying to point out that when you go look at the details, these things were just created by a bunch of individuals who had a neat idea, and happened to be in a position to implement it.

      It is certainly true that they had bell's labs, resources, and the right environment. But I think this is different than really being created by a large company. There was no committee of faceless software engineers designing a specification before dozens of teams of programmers sat down and each implemented components which were then assembled. It was just a few people coding.

      And you are right that there is a difference between one and three. I just think that the difference is nothing compared to the difference between either and 100, or whatever you might find behind the design team of a behemoth like microsoft word, which is the sort of thing that I envision when someone says that software was created by some company.

      In fact I suspect even UNIX doesn't fall into this second category; I just don't know much about the details of its early creation.

      I'm also not trying to claim that vi/linux/etc are original ideas, and neither are the three you cited, I would think. They're all solidly engineered programs, based on ideas that were not new then. I'm not even sure that the age of the lone inventor in its really idealized form (person in lab, no outside resources, no funding pressure, revolutionizing some field, etc) ever existed, but I certainly don't know my history of science well enough to debate that point.

      But the era of people coming up with neat ideas (even if they're evolutions of older ideas) and happening to be in a position to have the resources to implement them, and doing so, in my opinion did exist, and probably still does.

      I don't think it can be argued that the ideas behind UNIX/ed/awk became tied to bell labs. In fact, probably the only people who think of Bell labs when they look at, say, linux, probably have either been around for a while, or do a lot of unnecessary reading (me). So these people created or evolved ideas that moved out of the domain of the corporation that funded them, which is certainly something.

  10. not how it works in my family by spd_rcr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    my dad has developed & built a number of successful inventions/innovations that have gone on to spawn businesses & corporations. the lone person model can work quite well.
    www.karadon.com (an invention/corporation that was built from an idea facet of one of his previous successful inventions)
    www.geocities.com/spdrcrn1tr0/prototy pes.html
    not to say i haven't developed a number of items as well. screw the corporations, do it yourself

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  11. Hacking is human nature by SHiFTY1000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As long as there are tools and imagination, there will be inventors... Anyone remember the guy with the wind-up radio for the third world? A guy called Trevor Bayliss had the idea watching TV about how batteries in Africa cost a month's wages.... So he built a prototype in his garage and was eventually successful. Source here http://www.engineerguy.com/comm/2574.ht m I think lone inventors will always be around, but corporations will determine whether they can make a financial success out of their idea.

    1. Re:Hacking is human nature by WasterDave · · Score: 2

      Fscking Trevor Bayliss. In a previous life an ill fated attempt to make a startup ended up with me being on various mailing lists for inventors. These people idolised Trevor Bayliss, but no mention was ever made of the guy (whose name I have forgotten) who decided Trevor was on to a good thing and went through all the investment, hassle and risk necessary to make Baygen itself profitable.

      James Dyson too, idolised. Let alone the fact that designing a better vacuum cleaner nearly cost the guy his sanity.

      No, inventing, fsck it. Risk absolutely everything you have - money, house, marriage, friends, sanity - for a one in 100,000 chance of "the big time".

      Poor inventors. Very tired, very unloved and more likely than most of us to die pennyless.

      Dave

      --
      I write a blog now, you should be afraid.
  12. Ha by The+Cat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Absolute horsefeathers.

    Big corporations don't invent anything, and the worst place in the world for an inventive, brilliant, highly intelligent and competent person (like an inventor) is a stultifying, closed-minded, skeptical, gray, dull bureaucracy (like a big corporation). Nothing will take the joy out of invention like having to appease a bunch of self-serving arrogant skeptics.

    The days of the lone (or small group of)
    inventor(s) is just beginning. What about Linux, for example? Come on. This can't be serious.

    The day we hand over the responsibility for progress to middle management is the day we better start preparing for a stagnant society.

    1. Re:Ha by hettb · · Score: 1, Informative
      Big corporations don't invent anything, and the worst place in the world for an inventive, brilliant, highly intelligent and competent person (like an inventor) is a stultifying, closed-minded, skeptical, gray, dull bureaucracy (like a big corporation). Nothing will take the joy out of invention like having to appease a bunch of self-serving arrogant skeptics.

      The days of the lone (or small group of) inventor(s) is just beginning. What about Linux, for example? Come on. This can't be serious.

      Linux was not an invention, but the re-implementation of an operating system (Unix) which had been developed by people (Ken Thompson, Dennis Ritchie, et al -- no lone inventor here either) working for a "big, gray, dull corporation" (Bell Labs/AT&T) more than 20 years before that.

    2. Re:Ha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Big corporations don't invent anything, and the worst place in the world for an inventive, brilliant, highly intelligent and competent person (like an inventor) is a stultifying, closed-minded, skeptical, gray, dull bureaucracy (like a big corporation).

      I agree with that, but it's fun to eat. You need money, and those cubicles pay the bills.

    3. Re:Ha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are confusing skeptical thought (which is required for any good inventor) with close-minded thought (which is what you are talking about: those who focus on the budget, etc)

      an open-minded (non-skeptical) inventor is useless, since (s)he will be spending most of his/her time on crystals from atlantis, contacting aliens, finding the ark, and other such hog wash.

      Knowing when your idea WONT fly is a key skill.

    4. Re:Ha by geriatricgeek · · Score: 0

      Not only horsefeathers...but the very term "intellectual property" is Bullshit unless you can sucessfully sell your invention for a one-off inflated payment to a Corporation. Most innovative blokes prefer 2B wankers than sell their soul down the river. At least techno-wankers get their jollies outta a quasi auto-eroticism which happens in the privacy of their own keyboards.

    5. Re:Ha by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Big corporations don't invent anything,

      True enough. Inventions occur through individuals solving problems.

      and the worst place in the world for an inventive, brilliant, highly intelligent and competent person (like an inventor) is a stultifying, closed-minded, skeptical, gray, dull bureaucracy (like a big corporation).... What about Linux, for example? Come on. This can't be serious.

      Yes, what about Linux? Linux is a good example of why your argument is wrong. Linux is not an invention - in fact it is a copy of an invention that occurred in a very large company.

      You are making a grave error if you think all large corporations are gray, dull bureaucracies. Many large corporations in fact supply wonderful environments that spawn incredible creativity and technological progress by their employees. AT&T, for example - Bell Labs (transistor, laser, Information Science, UNIX etc. is a classic example of a corporate environment that was successful in spawning innovation). Other companies have gone through periods where they have succesfully fostered great creativity - DuPont and it's development of synthtic fibers, Texas Instruments and IC's, and so on.

      The fact is that good corporations realize that invention can be a great contributor to their growth, and some of them actually grow through that route.

      Oh, and individuals often have families to raise, so that a steady wage while they are doing their inventing can look pretty good.

    6. Re:Ha by chaoticset · · Score: 1
      But, I'm so close! The aliens told me to put the crystals inside the ark when...

      Waaaaaiiiit...are you saying the crystals might not be authentic?

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    7. Re:Ha by The+Cat · · Score: 2

      Linux is not an invention

      Really? Think it would have happened if it had to be run past middle management and had a "business case" made for it? Free hint: no. What was there prior to Linux that would qualify as its equivalent? If nothing, then it is an invention.

      You are making a grave error if you think all large corporations are gray, dull bureaucracies. Many large corporations in fact supply wonderful environments that spawn incredible creativity and technological progress by their employees.

      Well, goody for them. By and large, corporations exist for the express, exclusive purpose of providing middle managers a paycheck in exchange for obstructing and firing people.

      By the way, most of your examples happened 30 years ago. These days, getting a company to stop hoarding money long enough to actually make progress at anything is the exception at best.

      a steady wage while they are doing their inventing

      That's even funnier than the article. What "steady wage?" You're kidding, right? Hundreds of thousands of people are being laid off every year, most for nothing more than doing a good job.

    8. Re:Ha by The+Cat · · Score: 2

      Bell Labs is an exception, and UNIX was invented almost 40 years ago. Where are the job ads for inventors today? BZZZZZZZT Time's up!

    9. Re:Ha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt go read the article 1930's...

      bad managment was not invented yesterday...

    10. Re:Ha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      excuse me while I laugh...you disagree with someone and you imply they aren't a good inventor hahahaha

    11. Re:Ha by 0x20 · · Score: 1

      Linux is not an invention - in fact it is a copy of an invention that occurred in a very large company.

      The ideas and implementation models behind linux (and Free software) are, in fact, brilliant and revolutionary inventions whose very nature precludes any kind of corporate origin.

    12. Re:Ha by khendron · · Score: 2
      I agree, but I also disagree.

      I interpreted to author to be stating that big corporations are the best place to grow inventions and bring them to fruition. But not the best place to actually do the inventing.

      As stated in the article, Farnsworth got his big idea while working in a potato field. After forming his idea, the article states he should have gone to work for RCA.

      To me, this makes sense. Yes it is possible to grow your inventions on your own (go it alone), but it is really really hard.

      There are successes. Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Jeff Bezos (tbd), to name a few. But the combination of inventive genius and business talent is very rare indeed.

      The corporate world is littered with dead companies which have tried to do just that.

      Netscape? Dead and mostly gone.

      Napster? Swallowed by the big boys.

      Linux? Do you think it would be going anywhere without Red Hat, Caldera and other like corporations.

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    13. Re:Ha by Junks+Jerzey · · Score: 2

      What about Linux, for example? Come on. This can't be serious.

      Linux is simply a version of UNIX, and UNIX was created by a large corporation: Bell Labs. It could easily be argued that UNIX would never have been written in the first place, had some brilliant people not been able to work on it full-time. When you have the funding to make something your day job, you can get a lot more done than working late nights and weekends.

    14. Re:Ha by Stu+Charlton · · Score: 2

      By the way, most of your examples happened 30 years ago. These days, getting a company to stop hoarding money long enough to actually make progress at anything is the exception at best.

      You've clearly got selective vision here. IBM has made tremendous strides in semiconductors and magnetic storage over the past several years. Bell Labs continues to come up with chips that improve the quality of digital phone conversations (eliminating the "lag" and "echo" on overseas connections). Pharmaceutical companies continue to generate some impressive innovations in drugs to treat cancer, diabetes, aids, etc.

      That's even funnier than the article. What "steady wage?" You're kidding, right? Hundreds of thousands of people are being laid off every year, most for nothing more than doing a good job.

      And unemployment continues to be at the lowest historical level coming out of a recession.

      Given your obvious bias, you're really lacking in credibility here.

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    15. Re:Ha by The+Cat · · Score: 2

      IBM, Bell Labs and the pharmaceutical companies.. i.e. the exceptions.

      Notice how every single reply uses the same two examples?

      Mid-size employer Inc. doesn't invent things, and they certainly don't allow their employees the time or the incentive to either.

      And unemployment continues to be at the lowest historical level coming out of a recession.

      Tell that to the half-million out of work programmers. The $8.50 an hour grocery store/bookstore/restaurant job doesn't pay the mortgage. Unemployment doesn't count people who have given up looking either.

      Given your obvious bias, you're really lacking in credibility here.

      lol Certainly can't have a *bias* or anything. I never claimed to be objective. I can tell you I have not ONCE seen a "corporate" job where inventiveness or creativity was either encouraged or rewarded.

    16. Re:Ha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very appropriate monicer, "The Cat". Cats stop learning at about 10 months of age. That is because they learn by patterns. The closest pattern that matches any new data becomes substituted for that data. In the wild, this is great as generaly it is faster then trying to analyze the data. But it makes cats closed minded, bigoted, and generaly slow to pick up new things. Any cat owner knows that when introducing a cat to new situations, one need to take it slow and have a lot of patience. This is also good advice when working with any animal, child, or middle manager.

    17. Re:Ha by The+Cat · · Score: 2

      Ok. You're obviously right. Big, huge bureaucratic corporations are the centers of innovation and original thinking in the economy.

  13. Linux was started by one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't Linux started by one, contributed by thousands ? I think this is a mindset thing. Don't think of invention as a burst of accident, but a gradual evolution.

  14. role of the lone inventor is over? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    role of the lone inventor is over

    I don't know, didn't it just take one person to invent the "Sharpie marker CD ripping system"(R).

    -DanThe1Man
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  15. Many one man inventions still to come... by sisukapalli1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ask the patent office... Things like one-click patent can be accomplished by single individuals easily.

    S

    1. Re:Many one man inventions still to come... by qslack · · Score: 1

      Yes. I believe that the one-click idea was patented by one-dick. :)

  16. In other words by ObviousGuy · · Score: 2, Funny

    You're saying the Lone Inventors are dead?

    Thanks for spoiling it all Chris!

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  17. The Article Is Silly by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2

    When push comes to shove, all inventions boil down to one individual realizing the solution to a problem. Now it may or may not take a corporation to realize the invention, and bring it to market, but the fact is that teams are made up of individuals.

    1. Re:The Article Is Silly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's no "I" in "Team".

    2. Re:The Article Is Silly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but there is an "I" in "win" and in "invent".

    3. Re:The Article Is Silly by ObviousGuy · · Score: 1

      There's also an 'm' and an 'e' in 'team', a point frequently overlooked by those who would sell you silly platitudes about 'teamwork' and 'cooperation'.

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    4. Re:The Article Is Silly by caca_phony · · Score: 2, Funny

      what you all overlook is that there is meta in team. and meat too. and tame. and 'met a'. and a. and ma. and eat. and mat. and mta (mail transfer agent). duh. now I feel dumb.

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  18. The myth of the inventor of TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Farnsworth invented totally electrical TV , not TV. The article also incorrectly states that Baird et al did not get (partly) mechanical TV working when in fact they did, it's just that Farnsworth's system was vastly superior. Of course, it was American media, so they had to distort the truth in bias of Americans.

    1. Re:The myth of the inventor of TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who's going to take credit for inventing the LCD tv?

      When all tv's are LCD .. maybe then credit will (rightfully) be given to J L Baird, cause he invented the first working device that can transmit pictures.

    2. Re:The myth of the inventor of TV by The+Famous+Druid · · Score: 1

      The real myth of the inventor of TV is that there was one. TV, as a workable technology, was a process of successive refinement, no one person or organisation should try to claim the credit.

      It's kind of like trying to claim credit for inventing electricity, lots of people over a long time contributed to the understanding and exploitation of electricity, trying to give sole credit to any one researcher would be silly.

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    3. Re:The myth of the inventor of TV by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      inventing electricity

      Bad example, natural phonomenon are discovered, not invented.

      But what you said is true of nearly all inventions. For example, edison may have made the electrical light workable, but arc lighting and various other electrical light forms were invented first, so saying edison invented the electrical light is false also.

      History is full of examples like this. An invention is hardly ever spawned in a vacuum. (pun hehe).

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    4. Re:The myth of the inventor of TV by Jack+Hughes · · Score: 1

      Pah! Next you'll be telling me that Bill Gates didn't invent the internet.

    5. Re:The myth of the inventor of TV by 3waygeek · · Score: 1

      As we all know, Al Gore invented the Internet...

  19. True, but collaboration != corporation by coupland · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The free software movement has proven that in order to invent something these days you absolutely need to stand on the shoulders of giants. But it's also proven that this level of collaboration doesn't need to be driven by a lumbering behemoth or the almighty dollar. Innovation and collaborative invention can also be motivated by sheer passion and sharing. This is the article's only major flaw.

    1. Re:True, but collaboration != corporation by tempest303 · · Score: 1

      You just *nailed it*.

      I'd expound a bit more, but you hit the point exactly, and very concisely as well. Nicely done! :)

      moderators: mod parent up, please!

    2. Re:True, but collaboration != corporation by Graymalkin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I wouldn't say the free software movement is about inventing anything at all. Inventiveness is surely involved but many piece of free software are just free implimentations of a non-free product. The GNU manifesto is all about creating Free versions of closed source pieces of software. That is hardly inventing a product. This isn't to say the whole free software sharing is caring paradigm isn't an effective means of collaboration and an efficient way to share ideas. Many computer inventions have come out of well funded commercial or academic projects simply because someone working with these backings can sit around and think of ways to accomplish something. I think Alan Kay is more of an inventor than Linus Torvalds.

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    3. Re:True, but collaboration != corporation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The above is a glorified "ME TOO" post. Please moderate accordingly.

    4. Re:True, but collaboration != corporation by msouth · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I wouldn't say the free software movement is about inventing anything at all. Inventiveness is surely involved but many piece of free software are
      just free implimentations of a non-free product. The GNU manifesto is all about creating Free versions of closed source pieces of software. That
      is hardly inventing a product.


      This is true, but one could argue that the GPL is a remarkable invention. It was done by a lone inventor, and it hardly "stood on the shoulders of giants" as the original post implied (he was talking about the software, though). One might say that it stands on the shoulders of the giants who created copyright law--I would say that it's an elegant hack of the system, but, whatever. I think it's a very interesting invention.

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  20. ANKOS was the work of a team -- not one person by Jonathan · · Score: 2

    his has been said repeatedly. and it's always been proven wrong; just reading ANKOS is reassuring that there is plenty of open pastures ahead for the lone inventor. to be sure, though, the US "gubment" is sure working hard to make it come true.

    I hope you realize that Steve Wolfram didn't do all that stuff in ANKOS alone -- as vain as Wolfram is, he still felt the need to list dozens of collaborators at the beginning of the book -- not to mention the well known falling out between Wolfram and Matthew Cook, who was reponsible for almost all of the work on rule 110, the most interesting discovery in ANKOS.

  21. Grammar? by NReitzel · · Score: 1
    "... no doubt others feel different."



    DifferentLY. Please.

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    1. Re:Grammar? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, its feel different. Didn't we learn anything from Apple's "Think Different?"

      -DanThe1Man
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    2. Re:Grammar? by ObviousGuy · · Score: 1

      I'm glad that here on Slashdot we can discuss this open and honest, ending the day feeling not bad but happy.

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    3. Re:Grammar? by caca_phony · · Score: 1

      I feel quite different, thank you for asking. It is surely more common to feel differently, but I can feel different just as I can feel beautiful or clumsy. I might somehow even contrive a way to feel clumsily. It is sad that understanding of our language is bad enough that a mistake and an unusual idea cannot be distinguished from each other.

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  22. His Mistake by pavera · · Score: 1

    I would say his mistake was not in being a lone inventor, RCA paid him a million dollars, and royalties on each TV sold... in the 40's that was tons and tons of money. His error was simply being too prideful about *HIS* invention... (ready for the mod down) ala RMS with the linux naming scheme...

    If he would have taken his money, and been thankful and happy about it, where is the failure? there is none. Only in feeling somehow ripped off by RCA did he let himself fall to where he ended up.

  23. Facts of Life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is unquestionably true that Apple's largest constituency is the homosexual demographic.
    When I visited CompUSA, th Mac corner looked like a gay bar.

  24. Its hard being a "lone inventor"... by Qzukk · · Score: 1

    From my father's experience, I've learned that its downright difficult to be a lone inventor...
    He started his own company to build and rent out his invention (a water treatment unit), and found that between bigger companies simply deciding it would be cheaper to not pay him, and buraucracy and red tape, it just wasn't worth it.
    The sad truth these days seems to be that if you aren't a big company, nobody cares, except maybe the government (its always handing out loans to small businesses). Bigger companies will take advantage of you, simply because they can wait forever on their bills knowing that you probably can't afford to get them collected by force. Small companies (for the most part) still have to fill out all the same forms and get the same approvals from the government as a big company. Finally, if all that wasn't bad enough, its hard to attract clients in this economy when they believe you'll probably not last to the end of the year. They'll go with XYZ, Inc... they've been around for decades, they'll be there when the client wants warranty repair or whatever service.

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    1. Re:Its hard being a "lone inventor"... by (outer-limits) · · Score: 1

      I heard the classic story of an inventor, sold his idea to a company with a contracted $ amount for each unit sold. Only, they never sold any, instead they leased them all out. Inventor didn't see a cent.

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  25. speaking of 3rd world countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    whats the definition of optimist?



    an ethiopian in a dinner jacket



    sssss-badda-boom-bah!
  26. Amateur hour, amateur year - that's Slashdot by NewIntellectual · · Score: 1

    What other major website purporting to want to be taken seriously and to provide useful news, has a front page article riddled with spelling mistakes including "Fransworth" (should be "Farnsworth")? That's the least of the problems. What is the point of repeating this tired old collectivist Marxist bullshit that the "lone [whatever]'s day is over". Screw the New Yorker. In an industry (computers) that has always absolutely been dominated by individuals, even to the present day, it is really ironic that an organization such as Slashdot that relies on an enormous amount of recent individual technical innovation is so fantastically ignorant of history and philosophy that it feels a need to promote such crap. While Slashdot sometimes has interesting links, I am done helping out its advertising revenue stream - time to set my browser's home page to something else.

    1. Re:Amateur hour, amateur year - that's Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This has jack shit to do with Marxism. Keep your dick in your pants you paranoid idiot. The best parts of America are and always will be socialist in nature, I'm talking about libraries, public schools, freeways, centralized banks --that shit goes out the window when you make it pay-to-play bigger is better, might makes right. Oh what a Utopia you would have if we just beat up all the dirty communists.

    2. Re:Amateur hour, amateur year - that's Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      While Slashdot sometimes has interesting links, I am done helping out its advertising revenue stream - time to set my browser's home page to something else.

      Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out...

    3. Re:Amateur hour, amateur year - that's Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's wrong? Did the poor little Randroid get its brittle belief system threatened? I don't suppose you could actually back up some of your claims, instead of merely re-asserting the romantic myth of the Rugged Individualist.

      My theory is that Rand is popular among geeks because she lets you guys imagine that you can have some significance in the world without actually coming out of your little hiding holes and interacting (email, slashdot, and IM don't count) with other people. In other words, Objectivism is simply monomania and mild autism fashioned into a 'philosophy'.

  27. There are two parts to the problem by catsidhe · · Score: 5, Insightful
    First you must have an idea. This is almost always the result of one person having a brainwave.

    Second you must have the manufacture/ marketing/ sales etc. This is the bailiwick of larger corporations.

    This has always been the way. Edison made such an impact because with his first small successes he built a corporation which could produce and market other more marginal products. Tesla, on the other hand, had some (literally) world-shattering ideas, but as he didn't have a large corporation of his own, he had to go cap-in-hand to people like Westinghouse and Morgan to get the funding to develop his ideas. (Yes, Tesla did start several companies to develop specific concepts, but they were all small, specific and all failed for one reason or another. If Tesla had had all the resources of Westinghouse at his command, rather than at petition, who knows what toys we would have now?)

    This is not to say that Edison was a better inventor than Tesla (many would argue that Tesla left him in the dust as far as raw imagination and engineering skills went), but Edison had the marketing skills and business sense which enabled him to do more with what he had.

    You will, I think, find this pattern in all revolutionary inventions over the last two-hundred years. The inventor was
    1. working on his own, and used his great idea to build a company around it, (Edison Electric Lights)
    2. working on his own, and made a deal with an existing company to produce and market it (Tesla, Westinghouse and AC generators), or
    3. working as part of a corporation already, and already had the resources available to do something with the idea (Transistors at Bell Labs, just about anything from PARC, etc.)


    You will probably find that the discoverer of the Blue Laser Diode was working with a corporation, and could make a deal with that corporation to produce the diodes. He could not have done it on his own. Similarly with the Clockwork Radio, IIRC the inventor used funds from the UN to start a company to produce these radios.

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    1. Re:There are two parts to the problem by MarkusQ · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Second you must have the manufacture/ marketing/ sales etc. This is the bailiwick of larger corporations.

      Why must I have these things? To be successful? I think not. The only reason I can see for these (especially marketing) is for other people to profit--and then it is they, not I, who must have them.

      Consider, for example, when I play piano. I do not have a recording contract, there is no marketing, and I don't care. Why? Because I have a darned good time and that's the reason I do it. Now, if someone wanted to make a buck off of my piano playing they'd have to spend a pile on marketing (as anyone who's heard me can attest). They would need the resources of a large corporation, but I don't.

      -- MarkusQ

    2. Re:There are two parts to the problem by catsidhe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The context was the success of inventions, and how likely it is for an invention to be taken up if one person only had worked on it, versus the resources of a larger company and the baggage entailed.

      I took 'success' to be how much the invention has been used in the real world, and how much influence it has had on people's lives. Tesla's AC generator technology was successful. Everyone who uses electricity from a power plant owes a debt to Tesla -- and to George Westinghouse who financed the development and installation in the first large scale central power plant. Similarly for the electric light bulb, or the Transistor. Other ideas Tesla had, such as wireless transmission of energy, have not been successful; not because they were bad ideas, but because Tesla could not get anyone with enough resources to bring the idea to market to give him enough money.

      Babbage and his Difference Engine is another example. His idea was brilliant. Its execution was excellent, given his resources. That you can read this message is proof that the concept was sound. But. It was not until large organisations -- namely governments -- were convinced that they needed computers were enough resources brought into play.

      My point is, I suppose, that life is not fair. An invention's brilliance is not the only factor in how much of a difference it makes to the world. For a sufficient impact, there must also be a large enough mechanism to develop, market, produce and ship the finished product. In the example of your piano playing (which isn't really relevant, but what the hey) you are absolutely correct that you do not need a large corporation to write new music, or to enjoy doing so. But if no-one else hears that music then it will die with you. Recording and distributing that music requires more resources than any of us have, unless you are using the net to distribute MP3s, and even then it is you and 1 billion other people. You are not likely to be noticed, and hence you are not likely to make any impact on the world, unless you enlist the help of a large organization or company in some way.

      It's not fair, but it's how it is.

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    3. Re:There are two parts to the problem by G-funk · · Score: 2

      Well there goes my moderations for this discussion, but here we go....

      Am I the only person who thinks in a hundred years people will be having the same conversations about Bill and [Linus|Steve|Richard|Eric], that we're having about Tesla and Edison?

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    4. Re:There are two parts to the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Edison had an army of people who worked for him....

    5. Re:There are two parts to the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing quit elike the feeling you get from beating a straw man to deathm huh marcus? Except maybe masturbating into the pocket of your dad's silk shirt.

      Go play the piano and leave the thinking to other people.

    6. Re:There are two parts to the problem by RGRistroph · · Score: 1

      I believe that no one who has a life will remember any of them.

      I sincerely hope the viral GPL destroys all copyright, and with robots that can make other robots to do all our work for us, there is infinite wealth and the end of scarcity. When you can tell robots to build other robots to start mining and build other robots to start machining and have a spaceship to check out mars in a couple of years, who the fuck is going to read about history ?

      Bring it on.

    7. Re:There are two parts to the problem by NearlyHeadless · · Score: 2
      working on his own, and used his great idea to build a company around it, (Edison Electric Lights)

      That's not what happened. Edison had been an inventor for ten years before the light bulb, mostly working on improving the telegraph. He had already established several partnerships and corporations. See this chronology.


      (His 1875 deal with Jay Gould, $30,000, would be worth roughly $4.5 million today.)

    8. Re:There are two parts to the problem by Quaryon · · Score: 1

      Not entirely true. You need to find the funds to buy a piano, or rent access to it. If you own a piano, you need to find the funds for a house or apartment with a big enough space to store it, and with understanding neighbours..

      I know this is stretching the metaphor a little but the same applies to inventions - you need money to fund any practical instance of your invention, or at least to buy food and shelter (and coffee!) while you write it all down on paper.

      Q.

    9. Re:There are two parts to the problem by MarkusQ · · Score: 2

      I took 'success' to be how much the invention has been used in the real world, and how much influence it has had on people's lives.

      Whereas I take success to be how much the invention served the needs of the inventor. People seem to have gotten the idea that lust-for-fame is the mother of invention, but I still hold that necessity is the true source. I invent something because I need it. If the invention removes / fixes / fills the need, it worked.

      Several times over the course of my life I have seen the following story played out:

      1. Someone has a problem
      2. They come up with something to fix the problem
      3. It works
      4. Someone else gets the bright idea that this could be the ticket to wealth and fame.
      5. Half the people involved immediately loose their perpective on life and start chasing adventure capital.
      6. With luck, they don't get any, and everyone goes back to being normal. But often enough, they get some.
      7. Most of the remaining people loose their perspective.
      8. A stock / share / point / royalty scheme that is roughly twice as complicated as the original invention is concocted.
      9. The investors start making demands (you need a type X for this roll, like my buddy Bob here).
      10. With luck, the whole mess colapses under its own weight. But often enough it doesn't.
      11. Marketing sets in. The actual merits of the original invention are lost in sea of lies and stupidity.
      12. By this point, everyone involved has a sucky life. Friendships have been, if not ruined, at least strained to the point of pain and acrimony.
      13. Exponential growth sets in.
      14. I bail out, if I haven't already.
      15. Eventually, KABOOM!
      End result, almost everyone involved is worse off, and older, than they were when it all started. And why? Beats the hell out of me.

      If you want to change the world, find a problem that you care about and can fix with your own resources. Fix it. Repeat as often as you like. That is how the world gets changed.

      -- MarkusQ

    10. Re:There are two parts to the problem by Stu+Charlton · · Score: 2

      There's nothing wrong with your perspective to invention, but one thing to note is it appears you're going for the "bleeding heart inventor" approach, which is to say that you don't care if you profit off your invention, which is fine, but when it's introduced to the wider world it's almost certain if that others WILL profit from your idea instead of you. If you don't care fine, but I would think that most

      As for your model of how the world gets changed, I would say you're sorrily simplifying it, and ignoring the impact of organizations on innovation & invention over the past 100 years.

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      -Stu
  28. What has this got to do with Amiga? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.petitiononline.com/amigaos/

  29. Lone inventor is immortal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This lone inventor will live forever!

    1. Re:Lone inventor is immortal by ObviousGuy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Alex Chiu is great not because he invented his device alone, but because he stood on the toes of the great.

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      I have been pwned because my /. password was too easy to guess.
  30. Problem Solving Hasn't Changed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only way multiple minds can solve a problem is though division of labor. Given the impossibility of collective thought, the only way problems get solved and inventions get made is though the efforts of individuals -- lone inventors who may choose to share knowledge and results.

  31. Bad choice of words. by ZaBu911 · · Score: 1

    I concur with this guy, sorta, but not in the way he phrased it.

    It's not over... it's just that the capacity to take one's invention to new levels is, well, diminished.

    Once I heard someone say that "creativity is a process which stems from one source, not multiple ones."

    Sure, others can add on, but the idea still originates from one person. And that person's role is still the same: to come up with good ideas.

  32. Farnsworth RULES!!! by Caractacus+Potts · · Score: 3, Interesting


    Farnsworth is a poor example to use for this subject. He DID invent television mostly by himself without the benefit of a large corporation. What he didn't have as an individual was reasonable protection from RCA, whose goal was to monopolize the airwaves at all costs. When they couldn't buy him out, they harassed him with lawsuits and propaganda campaigns that repeatedly told people that RCA brought them TV. The real problem with lone inventors is that "those who have the gold make the rules". Few people, until recently, ever heard the story of Philo Farnsworth.

    Another cool fact about Farnsworth is that he developed a working fusion device, called the Farnsworth fusor. It doesn't even come close to breakeven, but it does produce neutrons consistently.

    1. Re:Farnsworth RULES!!! by unitron · · Score: 2
      Read "Man of High Fidelity" about Edwin Armstrong, inventor of broadband FM (the audio system used for television and the FM broadcast band). Sarnoff and RCA did pretty much the same thing to him.

      What's strange here is Sarnoff's thing for "...the best engineers out of the best universities..." considering his own start as a penniless immigrant working as a radio-telegraph operator who just happened to be in the right place at the right time--he was on duty when the Titanic hit the iceburg and stayed on duty around the clock for a day or three relaying messages to, from, and about the sinking and the rescue efforts. Horatio Alger could have written his story. Seems he'd have a greater regard for "rugged individualists", but apparently not.

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      I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.

    2. Re:Farnsworth RULES!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like his spacing. 73 DE AC1AC

    3. Re:Farnsworth RULES!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He didn't invent television by himself. The Scottish inventor John Logie Baird had demonstrated television in 1925 but Farnsworth's electronic model was not demonstrated until 1927, quite probably based on the ideas of Baird's mechanical device.

  33. Leaps and Bounds... by Baldrson · · Score: 2
    ...the role of the lone inventor is over....getting all of the inovations together requires a (large) corporation.

    I resemble that remark not to mention some other guys I know (search for "javasoft" for some humorous anecdotes).

    Our heroic New Yorker author, with a single leap, bounded right over duos like the Wright Brothers and Atanasoff and Berry as well as small hunting packs like Id Software and small tribal clans like the Seymour Cray 34.

  34. This is an _old_ idea -- and still erroneous by Paul+Bain · · Score: 1


    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp The liberal economist Galbraith made this claim decades ago because he wanted to persuade readers that the nature of one of the traditional engines of economic growth in America (i.e., technological innovation) had changed irrevocably. He hoped to further persuade readers that only socialism (and the abandonment of entrepreneurialism (the friend of the "lone inventor") and capitalism) could save America's economy. I wonder whether Gladwell has a similarly liberal agenda, and I note that The New Yorker is one of the most liberal periodicals in the U.S.

    --

    A lawyer & digital forensics examiner. Also an expert on open source software (OSS).
    1. Re:This is an _old_ idea -- and still erroneous by cyberon22 · · Score: 1

      It's completely misleading to call Galbraith a socialist. He was a Keynesian in a time when that school had yet to confront the stagflation of the 1970s. And it certainly isn't erroneous in its most general belief that it there is some role for the government in manipulating aggregate demand. The sea change has been from fiscal to monetary policy.

      Galbraith gets a lot of slack because - like Krugman - he is a great economist with clear partisan preferences (Galbraith worked closely with Kennedy).

      His argument was really just intended as a critique of Schumpeter's theory of "Creative Destruction". If innovation is dominated by those with access to large pools of resources, then it IS foolish to expect the market to produce the most socially optimal outcome. Galbraith was justifying SOME role for government intervention in the market - not calling for a command economy, despite what his detractors have convinced themselves.

      Ditto for Keynes....

  35. dont kneejerk, it helps nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "...corporation. No doubt others feel different."

    if taken into better context, 'company' or 'corporation' could be correctly seen as either examples or subsets of 'organized resource managment institution'. This could mean one person who is extremely wealthy, well connected, briliant (even above that of a 'briliant inventor') or all of the above. That is the point that should be made. There is a very large bandwagon of anticorporatism, that much like the hippie movement of the 60's is fool (pun) of those who simply parrot rhetoric without first understanding it, then critically thinking about it, THEN formulating an opinion. It is a pathetic brown nosing attempt to gain favor much like a politician does, when people drop phrases and ideas like that. What a shallow attempt to generate emotionalism and detract from critical thought.

    The point made all along is that sadly you must have many more resources than people could have in previous times. However, you must remember that money is NOT the only resource. Lets take a software engineering task: money buys coders, designers, program managers, CM folk, Q&A folk, administrators, etc. However these tasks are often combined onto different people (wearing many hats and all that) for very large companies, so it seems theoretical that it could be done even outside of large well funded organizations... oh wait it has!

    Stop this blatant attempt to spread communism and socialism, which both are failures simply because they fail to address reality and live in this pipe dream utopia where humanity somehow will magically change given the right government. Instead, why not take lessons from history and be the master of your own destiny... work hard, work with others, make things happen instead of complacently sitting back and waiting for others to do it for you. THAT is what open source and free software should be about. Take out this political crap where you force your ideas and opinions on others through policy and law all in the ironic name of freedom. (it helps to be realistic about what 'rights' and 'priveledges' are)

  36. Title sounds familiar... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check out Lee Daniel Crocker's The Myth of the Lone Inventor...
    The Myth of the Lone Inventor

  37. What about Star Trek? by qseep · · Score: 1

    Come on, everyone knows from Star Trek that Zephram Cochrane will single-handedly invent warp drive, and Dr. Noonien Soong will build Data, an android far ahead of anything else available.

    1. Re:What about Star Trek? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the Jeffries tube. Or is that Jeffreys? Or even Jeffrey's.

  38. not so true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    while we all have heard the 'he who has the gold makes the rules' it would be better stated as 'he who controls the amount, value and distribution of the gold makes the rules" Remember that it was once salt that was the most valuable asset. This is not to confuse analogy with reality, but rather that to trully understand the underlying meaning it takes deeper thought that many would rather not worry about.

  39. There is no such thing as the lone inventor by MoneyT · · Score: 2

    But not in the way that the editorial is saying. No one works alone, period. No one ever has and no one ever will. It's against human nature. We don't like to be alone and we don't trust our selves. We bounce ideas off of our friends, families and even complete strangers. We want feed back, we want to know that we aren't crazy. No one works alone.

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    1. Re:There is no such thing as the lone inventor by RaboKrabekian · · Score: 1

      This is a blanket statement about all people that is just patently false. Many people prefer to work in isolation, because they don't trust anyone BUT themselves. To say no one works alone is just silly. Some people work alone, others don't.

      --
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    2. Re:There is no such thing as the lone inventor by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 1
      No one works alone, period. No one ever has and no one ever will. It's against human nature. We don't like to be alone and we don't trust our selves. We bounce ideas off of our friends, families and even complete strangers. We want feed back, we want to know that we aren't crazy. No one works alone.

      Let me guess... you must be one of those annoying extrovert types who are always coming around to interrupt me while I'm trying to work.

      :-)

    3. Re:There is no such thing as the lone inventor by globaljustin · · Score: 1

      True...Farnsworth had engineers working for him in two different labratories. But the point is, Farnsworth had the idea, and Farnsworth should have been the one in control of his invention as it became a reality, but instead RCA used its resources to squeeze him out. I don't know the solution, but I do know that it is anti-competitive (and downright anti-american) to allow corporations to abuse the legal system to squeeze out smaller independant competitors.

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    4. Re:There is no such thing as the lone inventor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me guess... you must be one of those annoying extrovert types who are always coming around to interrupt me while I'm trying to work. Exactly!

    5. Re:There is no such thing as the lone inventor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm working alone (e.g. I'm not talking with someone about my works) and I have no problem with it. Am I not a human?

      Name a singel sociopat not being a human, thanks.

  40. Lone inventor not extinct.....lone legal team is.. by Dr_Marvin_Monroe · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Lack of a lone inventor is not the problem with the system. There are a lot of people today that can focus on a product and develop it. Having a big staff is not the issue, and sometimes it actually slows development. It's simply that the lone inventor is having trouble getting past the legal flacks of big business who throw down slap suits, suits designed to suck off your cash, suits designed to "discover" all of your company info through the legal process of discovery, suits to hold you in court while they come up with a product, suits to determine where your bank account is so that they could sue you there...... .simply put, truth and justice have almost nothing to do with today's legal system. It's all "time and materials" for the corp. lawyers.

    Corp. Flack to boss: "How many thousand lawyers do you want me to drop on company X today boss?"

    Boss: "Enough so they never come back!...I want those basterds!...send all we got!"

    This method of operation is being used to hunt the "lone inventor," so that disruptive technologies do not emerge to threaten the giants. They have people dedicated to keeping the walls of the empire safe, that's the advantage of being big.

    What Mr. Farnswort lacked was the equivelent legal firepower of the MPAA and RIAA.....could you imagine his lawsuits against RCA?...He would have ended up owning the company....but RCA's lawyers combined with the unfortunate timing of the WW2 means that Mr. Farnsworth is simply out of time to collect on his invention. The big guys stole his stuff and stalled out untill the penalties were meaningless.....sound familiar?

    Now....flash forward to todays system.....all of the corporate giants not only have lawyers that they could para-drop into any courthouse across America, but they have the DMCA to make that "taking" of private invention all "legal"...think of Sonic Blue's situation....being forced (I know that it was reversed later, but principle) to collect information for the MPAA about their customers.....I know, I can hear the cynics, "It's all legal though, gotta be, it was decided in a court of law, right?"

    Until the "lone inventor" can defend himself in court on the merits of the case rather than the cash onhand, he will always be hunted....

    Legal reform for this problem made simple: The loosing party pays ALL legal expenses for ALL parties!....just think...no more nuiscense suits, no more extortion by the big guys because I could get the BEST defense on contingency by the BEST professional who would WANT to help me defend my position! He wins, he charges plaintif company X whatever he wants (huge is fine with me!). Contingency has done wonders for the plaintif lawsuit market, perhaps by making legal defense profitable, we can reverse the trend!

  41. So is stock trading by BakaMark · · Score: 1
    Anyone remember the guy with the wind-up radio for the third world? A guy called Trevor Bayliss had the idea watching TV about how batteries in Africa cost a month's wages

    No I don't. But then there is another story not many people remember about someone doing work on creating a pump mechanism that you place in a river. Using the kinetic force of the movement of the water to power a pump to take some of the water from the river and push it thorugh a hose up a hill. This was a device that was just submerged in the water without the need to dam the river.

    There are many stories like this, and it does take time for the inovation to come about. Then there are the issues of funding etc. The problem is that there are only a small number of Investors to put their money behind these Inventors.

    Now days a lot of people with a lot of money are only willing to get involved with operations/outfits such as this when they can make money out of short term stock movement.

    These people really require some long term cash flow if they are going to make their invention take off. Then there is the possibility that whatever large corporation that they go to to try and market their idea, could easily take the idea and leave the inventor with nothing.

  42. Bah. by SoupIsGood+Food · · Score: 2

    Let's see... there's Dean Kamen's bio-medicine revolutions, there's Steve, Steve and Mike in the garage working on the Apple I (which lead to the Apple II, and the boilerplate Rich&Famous deal for all involved), there's Larry Wahl, who just gave his wholly concieved invention away, and there's Cisco, and Fed Ex, and...

    There are lots of great inventions spawned by only one or two people working in their spare time, and many of these grow into monolithic companies or worldwide phenomena on the back of that innovation. Many of these (Fed Ex comes to mind) were up against gigantic established players, and succeeded despite it.

    So, the article is corporate self-congratulatory bullshit aimed at those who want to make a run at the establishment. Ignore it.

    SoupIsGood Food

    1. Re:Bah. by nomadic · · Score: 2

      revolutions, there's Steve, Steve and Mike in the garage working on the Apple I (which lead to the Apple II, and the boilerplate Rich&Famous deal for all involved)

      Really? I didn't know Steve, Steve and Mike invented the transistor. Oh, they didn't? Well, they invented the computer, that's not too shabby. Still wrong?

      there's Larry Wahl, who just gave his wholly concieved invention away

      Larry Wall invented the programming language?

  43. Viable roles left for lone creators: by RyanFenton · · Score: 4, Informative


    1. DSP research and development. I've worked as the student programmer for a 2 person DSP programming company that was actually successful. The owner, an experienced electrical engineer, was an astounding businessman, programmer, and scientist, who invented and ported sound technology to DSPs, and worked with larger companies on a freelance basis to put those DSP's into larger inventions. All while working at home after years in larger businesses. There's plenty of work out there to make the gadgets of future decades possible - but you have to do a lot of inventing and marketing to make it feasible, and be absolutely sure about each step. If you can't honestly explain exactly what you are doing, in a provable manner, to potential customers, everyone will get very frustrated. Be prepared for lots of legal work too. And be prepared for some insane assembly languages for dozens of different parts - for each new part, the language, compiler, and basic philisophy of the unit seems to change. If anyone can develop consistant tools for many parts between companies, and convince people to start using them, they could make lots of money.

    2. Biotech and DNA technology development. Much like #1, but much more massive ammounts of legal work involved. The main thing is that, as much as possible, don't get involved in the touchy intellectual property-oriented areas. Instead, develop the tools which will allow others to study, graph, track, etc, various pieces of Biotech information. The easier and more consistant you can make the process of collecting information and organizing the information for medical researchers, the more they can get done, and hopefully, the more they will use your tools. You'll need to consider the equipment used in various experiments, the nature of the appropriation systems put together for research organizations, and how best to market your product. You can make deals with equipment providers (as long as you're not outright purchased this way), and get job satisfaction out of helping people develop ways to save lives.

    Well... those are the two big ones I can think up off the top of my head. Anyone else with some other relatively open branches of computer science or electrical engineering? Any other great unfilled but potentially profitable needs that haven't really been getting companies attention?

    :^)

    Ryan Fenton

    1. Re:Viable roles left for lone creators: by Edmund+Blackadder · · Score: 2

      What is DSP?

      Also how would you suppose one could get the neccessary knowledge of how experiments are conducted/ data is gathered and what equipment is used?

  44. The lonely inventor sometimes has an edge by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As someone who qualifies as a "lonely inventor" (see my latest invention) I can say with some authority that there are occasionally some definite advantages to working outside the huge corporate structure.

    For a start, many of those working within the corporate machine have obtained their position as a result of a splended array of formal qualifications and their academic background.

    Now, while such a background is extremely important, there are occasions when it actually makes the act of "inventing" an awful lot harder.

    Some of the most interesting (and practical) inventions are the result of someone who didn't know (because they hadn't been taught) that something was impossible -- so they just went ahead and did it.

    An unfortunate effect of gaining a depth of knowledge is that one's field of vision is often reduced as a result. Sometimes an important innovation comes as a result of applying knowledge gained in a totally different field to a problem.

    It's been my experience that occasionally the "experts" get so close to the problem that they can't easily see the bigger picture -- a case of not being able to see the forest for the trees so to speak.

    Of course the reality is that if "the lone inventor" does have a good idea, they're then left with no choice but to solicit the help of a large corporation and the resources that such an organization can bring to bear. There's usually a huge void between an idea or a working prototype, and a commercially successful product.

    The inventor and his invention are just one piece of the puzzle.

    Of course (as I well know), the biggest problem faced by many inventors, regardless of the quality or viability of their ideas, is getting the right "big corporation" interested enough to provide those missing pieces.

    I shudder to think about just how many great ideas have never seen the light of day -- not because the inventor couldn't invent, but because (s)he simply had no luck in attracting corporate or investment interest.

    Of course anyone wanting to invest in my X-Jet engine is welcome to contact me :-)

    1. Re:The lonely inventor sometimes has an edge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would I invest in something that's

      ideally suited to use in "disposable" military vehicles such as remotely piloted reconnaissance aircraft, high-speed target drones, and even low-cost self-guided missiles.

      Focus your energies on something else than a rehash of a V-1. Who'd want a bike or ultralight powered by 500 explosions a second at white heat and 150dB SPL of sound?

    2. Re:The lonely inventor sometimes has an edge by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 2

      Focus your energies on something else than a rehash of a V-1. Who'd want a bike or ultralight powered by 500 explosions a second at white heat and 150dB SPL of sound?

      Mainly the military who are currently spending huge sums of money on gas turbine engines that get to run for a grand total of maybe two hours before the missile they're in hits its target.

      Nobody much cares about how much noise a missile engine makes -- key criteria are cost, fuel efficiency, power to weight and reliability.

      There's no way my engine will ever sit on the wing of a 747 or other passenger jet -- but it's clearly not designed for that role.

      It *is* designed for a very narrow (but rapidly growing) market segment.

      The cruise missile has become the offensive weapon of choice for the West and played a very significant role in both the Gulf war and Afghanistan.

      Of course people might (and do) want to strap such an engine to a bike, ultralite or kart -- simply because it can provide more power per dollar than any other type of jet engine.

      If you've every stood close to a turbojet engine when it's running, you'll also become very quickly aware of the fact that *all* jet engines make a hell of a lot of noise.

      Don't forget that people also strap huge V8s with massive superchargers and open pipes producing incredibly large amounts of noise to their dragsters drag bikes too.

    3. Re:The lonely inventor sometimes has an edge by mjs · · Score: 1

      You have an engine. You don't have a missile, an airplane, hangers, TV advertisements, tech-support staff. You're trying to sell your engine to someone else, aren't you? Television, the medium, requires lots of different components. Farnsworth had invented some of the necessary pieces, but he hadn't invented all of them. Your situations aren't equivalent.

      (But in general I think it's hard to even invent small things. Not to be rude, but since you're using your own experience constitutes part of your argument: how successful has your engine been? I've never heard of it.)

    4. Re:The lonely inventor sometimes has an edge by mpe · · Score: 2

      Nobody much cares about how much noise a missile engine makes -- key criteria are cost, fuel efficiency, power to weight and reliability.

      It would also help if you can get your missile to go supersonic, then no matter how much noise it makes no-one is going to know it's comming...

      If you've every stood close to a turbojet engine when it's running, you'll also become very quickly aware of the fact that *all* jet engines make a hell of a lot of noise.

      Or you could fly in a 727 and sit near to 3 of them.

  45. speaking of grammar... by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

    The example of Philo T. Fransworth (the "inventor" of Television) who failed because (amongst other reasons) he didn't have the big resources of a company to allow him to focus on his innovations.

    Where is the verb in that sentence? "The example" is the subject but it lacks a predicate (even though there are dependent clauses with their own predicates). It doesn't compile.

    1. Re:speaking of grammar... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, this dude is right.
      The sentence starts off with the phrase "The example of" and the phrase never gets completed before the sentence marker AND there's no punctuation, such as a hyphen or colon suggesting this is intentional or part of some meta grammatical structure. That's an incomplete senentence and that should be obvious to any native speaker because it reads like an incomplete sentence. Just because there's a clause after the phrase doesn't negate the fact that there's this dangling phrase starting the sentence.
      This author style and premise sucked big time. Obviously the New Yorker's editorial standards are poor as ever.

    2. Re:speaking of grammar... by redcliffe · · Score: 2

      The verb is "failed".

    3. Re:speaking of grammar... by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      So the example failed? No, Philo T. Fransworth failed. "Failed" is a verb for the subject "who" in the dependent clause "...who failed because of blah blah blah...". The dependent clause has its own subject (who), not The example which still lacks a verb.

      Beginning the sentence with "The article cites the example of ...."

      would turn the example into a direct object and fix the problem.

  46. Moot by ThoreauHD · · Score: 1, Funny

    The fact that I'm loggin onto his http with a one man noncorporate sponsored OS, browser, and tcp/ip packet doesn't say alot for his theory.

    But what do I know, .. wait- let me ask permission first.. nope, can't tell ya. Sorry, No comment.

  47. They would not agree with you by sl956 · · Score: 2
    "...the role of the lone inventor is over"
    Tell that to Linus Torvalds, Larry Wall, Bram Moolenaar, etc etc...
    What would Linus have done without standing on the shoulders of the original inventors of UNIX (a list would be too long) and the GNU project ?
    What would Larry have done without standing on the shoulders of Kernighan and Ritchie (for C), Stephen Bourne (for bourne shell) and Bill Joy (for C shell) ?
    What would Bram have done without standing on the shoulders of Bill Joy (again, for original vi) ?

    Software is the most proeminent example of a field where invention results of an incremental and collaborative process. There are brilliant individuals, but they are definitely not "lone inventors" - letting aside the fact that Kernighan, Ritchie, Bourne and Joy were all working in the Bell Labs... ;-)
    1. Re:They would not agree with you by bfurious · · Score: 1

      Can you name one invention that really doesn't have ANYTHING to do with some other piece of work? I think you'll find the "chain" of innovation goes quite a way down if you follow it the way you have... ie. bell labs has a building (many?). buildings were built by builders. The builders just copied plans that someone else made. The plans originally come from a guy named Bob. Bob, ironically, was born when his parents were trying to prove the usefulness of birth control which was invented by someone else. His parents used to feed Bob and diaper him in Pampers, which by the way were invented by.... And on and on and on.... The problem with this whole argument is where you want to draw the line; where you want to "flatten" the tree of relationships between anything. I guess if you bring it down to the level you're looking at it, nobody is responsible for ANYTHING, really... Not by themselves. But that has some magically interesting properties in and of themselves. :-) (Yeah, it's getting late.......)

    2. Re:They would not agree with you by Dante'sPrayer · · Score: 1

      You'd say also that Newton didn't do anything because he was stepping on giants shoulders like Galileo.

      And too that the invention of the telescope by the aforementioned Galileo was a scam because was based on previous research by chinese geniouses.

    3. Re:They would not agree with you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh.

      Copying an existing technology doesn't constitute 'inventing' it.

      Creating something new that extends the functionality of something can be rightly considered inventing, though.

      Linux is as far from 'inventing' as you can get.

    4. Re:They would not agree with you by Jonny+290 · · Score: 1

      Creating something new that extends the functionality of something can be rightly considered inventing, though.

      The Linux system extended the functionality of the x86/PC platform from a spreadsheet cruncher to a multitasking system capable of doing full TCP/IP routing/manipulation functions. Sure as shit sounds like he extended the functionality of that to me.

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    5. Re:They would not agree with you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're saying that he invented the x86/PC platform?

    6. Re:They would not agree with you by jvj24601 · · Score: 1

      Can you name one invention that really doesn't have ANYTHING to do with some other piece of work?

      The wheel.

    7. Re:They would not agree with you by muonman · · Score: 1

      Actually, the wheel derived directly from the roller.

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    8. Re:They would not agree with you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be such a moron -- SCO, OS/2, various BSD flavors were all running on PC hardware before Linux was doing jackshit.

    9. Re:They would not agree with you by bfurious · · Score: 1

      The Wheel is great, and all, you know... all by itself, without something to attach it to, or axles, or any of that stuff.... Oh wait. No it's not. :-)

  48. um, actually... by red_crayon · · Score: 2

    ...it was a book review, New Yorker style, not an article.

    As they say on USENET, "watch your attributions"

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  49. Not surprising; look at the source by adam_megacz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This ran in the New Yorker. Of course it's going to advocate large corporations over individual inventors. Most of their readership are managers.

    If Wired decided that they were going to run an article on inventors, do you think it would glorify the organization or the individual?

    1. Re:Not surprising; look at the source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wired already ran a piece on Philo T. Fransworth a few months back to celebrate the birth of television. I think Wired used the exact same phrase "the myth of the Lone Inventor"

  50. Ridiculous by browser_war_pow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Your argument is as ridiculous as saying that every single government on Earth is as genocidal as Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, Maoist China or Pol Pot's Cambodia. The head of my CS department was a manager at IBM. He was paid from what I hear about $400,000/year. Based on the kinds of bonuses that he secured for his top subordinates, I would bet good money that he got a lot of innovation and hard work out of them. Bonuses that were frequently in the $17,000 ballpark. He got them bonuses that were higher than what some people make in 1 year in the US. You would have to be pretty foolish to think that people won't bust their asses for cash like that. Good corporations have regulations to make sure that people don't go off in every direction, so that there is a purpose to research. But good corporations will pay whatever they can to ensure that there is financial motivation to bring out the genius in every employee doing the R&D that they can.

  51. Yogi Bear invented television by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought that Scottish guy John Yogi Bear had a lot to do with inventing television? Although I think his approach was more mechanical.

    And it probably involved picnic baskets.

    1. Re:Yogi Bear invented television by The+Famous+Druid · · Score: 1

      John Logie was "smarter than the average Baird" - boom boom.

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  52. Thomas Edison, Steve Jobs, etc. by Alien54 · · Score: 2
    Thomas Edison, perhaps the archetype of the "Lone Inventor" had a huge operation employing hundreds of people at one point. It was his own company, though.

    So the Lone Inventor can develop a business model based on emerging technologies. The first quick example here is Apple.

    The other angle on this is the open source model, and seen with Linus Torvald, who gave away his work.

    Of course, in some circles, they "eat their own young", in the sense that inventors will keep things secret so well that they will never get support or get funding. This falls into the category of "give me millions before I reveal my secrets", which not many business men will fall for.

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    "It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
    1. Re:Thomas Edison, Steve Jobs, etc. by Lucas+Membrane · · Score: 1

      Edison had a fairly big lab, but he didn't like book learning so he missed a lot of talent, and most of the time only the projects that he got personally involved in made progress. He did the electric light in 1877 and the phonograph in 1878, and did movies and re-did the phonograph in the following decade or so, but by then his wad was shot. He wound up spending way too much time in court proving that he invented the things that he invented. The lawyers wore him out. His iron ore extraction process went bust. His synthetic rubber didn't deliver. His phonograph record company lost out. He wasted years trying to develop an electric car. He spent WWI working on submarine and anti-submarine warfare, which was used as a morale booster by the US government propaganda machine, but he came up empty on that one, too.

    2. Re:Thomas Edison, Steve Jobs, etc. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget the time and money he wasted trying to screw over Tesla...

  53. Stop the presumptious editorial comments by wfrp01 · · Score: 2

    ...getting all of the inovations together requires a (large) corporation.

    First of all, learn how to spel.

    Second, explain why "large" should be parenthesized.

    Third, please provide an iota of support for your forgone conclusion. Certain large scale enterprises require the cooperation of many individuals. This is neither insightful nor novel. That such cooperative ventures must manefest themselves in the form of a corporation requires a bit more than a leap of faith.

    --

    --Lawrence Lessig for Congress!
    1. Re:Stop the presumptious editorial comments by modme · · Score: 1

      Sorry but I really must point out that it's actually spelt "manifest" :P

    2. Re:Stop the presumptious editorial comments by modme · · Score: 1

      you have valid points sorry to be a smart arse :p but the cited example of invention of the TV is a good one, I cant remember the URL for the article I read, but in the case of TV the inventor wouldn't have succeeded if it wasnt for the significant support of the media company, which almost gave up on him... very interesting.

    3. Re:Stop the presumptious editorial comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First of all, learn how to spel

      I can't figure out if this was sarcasm, or you're just an idiot.

      Second, explain why "large" should be parenthesized.

      Same reason you used quotes? For effect? Clarity?

      forgone
      Foregone

      manefest
      Manifest

  54. Re:Lone inventor not extinct.....lone legal team i by Ateran · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Legal reform for this problem made simple: The loosing party pays ALL legal expenses for ALL parties!....just think...no more nuiscense suits, no more extortion by the big guys because I could get the BEST defense on contingency by the BEST professional who would WANT to help me defend my position! He wins, he charges plaintif company X whatever he wants (huge is fine with me!). Contingency has done wonders for the plaintif lawsuit market, perhaps by making legal defense profitable, we can reverse the trend!
    Pray tell, what if you lose? Do you then have to pay yee old MegaCorp's legal bills?
  55. Farnsworth, the First Name in Television by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Farnsworth did have the first electronic television system that worked. He had real problems with camera sensitivity, though. The Farnsworth Image Dissector was a very low sensitivity device. Zworklin's Iconoscope wasn't much better. Light levels around 75,000 lux (!) were required. Today's cameras require 0.5 to 10 lux. Not until the image orthicon (needing around 200 lux), developed around 1940, did cameras become usable.

    So Farnsworth didn't really have a commercializable technology. Worse, he got to the demo level during the Great Depression, a lousy time to get funding for a long-term R&D project.

    It took RCA well over a decade to make television work commercially. It was hard to build a good TV camera tube.

    If you look at the tube designs, you can see the problem. The image dissector had no light integration; only the light falling on the beam spot at the moment of scan was sensed. In other words, only one pixel time's worth of light contributed to the output signal. Farnsworth put in all the amplification he could, with a photomultiplier-like arrangement within the tube. But it wasn't enough.

    Zworklin's Iconoscope integrated light over the whole frame time, but didn't amplify the output within the camera tube. That wasn't enough either.

    It was clear that using both ideas together would help the sensitivity problem, but it took over a decade at RCA and elsewhere to make that work. Both approaches came together in the image orthicon, which was big, expensive, complicated, and required lots of support electronics, but delivered a good image. The sort of thing you'd expect from a big industrial research lab.

  56. Idiocy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    adv.
    In a different way or manner; otherwise: "Carol... didn't know different until Elinor told her" (Ben Brantley).

    [dictionary.com]

    Yes it can be used as an adverb, get over yourself.

  57. another perspective from a former Microsoft exec by AstroAce · · Score: 1

    Here is an article in the tech review from MIT about Nathan Myhrvold, former CTO of MS, who is trying to build a business around lone inventors as the companies asset.

  58. Sarnoff Lied by Lucas+Membrane · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The story about Sarnoff and the Titanic is a myth, a legend out of the mind of ... Sarnoff.

  59. Re: Farnsworth by Lucas+Membrane · · Score: 1

    Farnsworth won royalty payments and cross-licensing from RCA before the US was in WWII. He could have competed with RCA, but they had much more capital and more manufacturing experince than he. He was the brilliant inventor of electronic TV, but when the time came to produce the goods, he was barely an also-ran.

  60. Regarding point 1 by Rhinobird · · Score: 1
    With regards to your point 1:

    working on his own, and used his great idea to build a company around it, (Edison Electric Lights)

    Edison was NOT working on his own when he came up with the Electric Light. IIRC, it was his TEAM of engineers that eventually came up with the electric light. However, I believe Edison discovered the effect that led to the invention of the vacuum tube.
    --
    If Mr. Edison had thought smarter he wouldn't sweat as much. --Nikola Tesla
  61. COMING SOON - How Americans invented the wheel by The+Famous+Druid · · Score: 2, Informative

    Um, not wanting to sound too internationalist here, but when will you septics break out of your parochial "we invented everything" state of mind?

    The Berlin Olympics were televised - German Technology.
    About the same time John Logie Baird (a Scot) was conducting test transmissions in the UK - British Technology.

    Come on guys, there's a big wide world out there, open your eyes, you might find there's something outside the USA of interest.

    --
    Quidquid Latine dictum sit, altum videtur (anything said in Latin sounds important)
    1. Re:COMING SOON - How Americans invented the wheel by Serial+Troller · · Score: 0, Funny

      Sorry, but unless we can exploit it for our own purposes or bomb it, we're just not interested.

      Cheers,
      Fat-ass American

      --

      STOP ME BEFORE I POST AGAIN!

    2. Re:COMING SOON - How Americans invented the wheel by DavittJPotter · · Score: 1
      I know you were trying to sound important and all with your quip:

      but when will you septics break out of your parochial "we invented everything" state of mind?


      But were you trying to be that insulting? To wit:

      Merriam-Webster's definitions of 'septic':

      1 : of, relating to, or causing putrefaction
      2 : relating to, involving, or characteristic of sepsis

      I'm sure you were trying to demonstrate your superior mastery of the English language, but I fear your vernacular isn't quite the magnificent portayal of eloquence and grace you had anticipated.

      Seriously, though *where* did you get the idea that we (Americans) have a "we invented everything" mentality? Reading through the comments, I didn't get that impression at all - I think that Americans are actually quite open to new ideas from other countries, and we apply them to our own challenges as we see fit.

      --
      "If there's hope, it lies in the proles..."
    3. Re:COMING SOON - How Americans invented the wheel by Saxerman · · Score: 1
      The Berlin Olympics were televised - German Technology.

      Not to derail your American bashing (we DO deserve quite a bit), but the Germans didn't invent any TV technology. A couple of days ago they had the Farnsworth widow on National Public Radio talking about all the problems they had with funding and RCA. One thing she mentioned is how Berlin was licensed to use Farnsworth's TV tech to broadcast the Olympics.

      --

      A steaming cup of soykaf would be real wiz right now.

    4. Re:COMING SOON - How Americans invented the wheel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      septics = septic tanks = yanks

    5. Re:COMING SOON - How Americans invented the wheel by The+Famous+Druid · · Score: 1


      > Merriam-Webster's definitions of 'septic':

      > 1 : of, relating to, or causing putrefaction
      > 2 : relating to, involving, or characteristic
      > of sepsis

      Websters, that would be an American dictionary, yes ?
      If you'd looked up an Australian dictionary, you may have found something like this
      3: An American (from ryming slang - septic-tank = yank)

      And no, it wasn't intended to be insulting.

      > Seriously, though *where* did you get the idea
      > that we (Americans) have a "we invented
      > everything" mentality?

      From talking to Americans mostly, and from reading the likes of "Encarta" which, among other things, credits the USA with the invention of the computer, totally ignoring COLOSSUS, the code-breaking computer featured in "Enigma".

      To return to the article this thread is based on, they do mention other inventors of similar era to RCA and Mr Farnsworth, but the bulk of the article credits Mr Farnsworth as the inventor even though there were several non-USA inventions that pre-date his.

      --
      Quidquid Latine dictum sit, altum videtur (anything said in Latin sounds important)
    6. Re:COMING SOON - How Americans invented the wheel by NeoTron · · Score: 2

      Thank goodness! I was waiting for someone to mention John Logie Baird - the REAL father of television, and a fellow Scotsman to boot ;)

      Silly Americans!! Next they'll be claiming they invented golf!! ;)

    7. Re:COMING SOON - How Americans invented the wheel by 3.5+stripes · · Score: 1
      from ryming slang - septic-tank = yank
      Damn, you guys still talk cockney? Even after what 5 or six generations (possibly more) since your criminal (not intended as an insult) ancestors were shipped to australia?
      Amazing...
      --


      He tried to kill me with a forklift!
    8. Re:COMING SOON - How Americans invented the wheel by madprof · · Score: 1

      Let's be fair - do we use anything like a derivative of baid's system? Nope. He did demonstrate his syetem in 1926 or whenever but it wasn't his system that he invented that ended up being used.
      So credit is perhaps due to whoever it was that did invent that system.

    9. Re:COMING SOON - How Americans invented the wheel by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      What, apart from PAL, the colour system used in most of the world? IIRC it was developed around the same time as the US developed NTSC, but provides superior quality, without the colour drift that NTSC suffers from.

    10. Re:COMING SOON - How Americans invented the wheel by The+Famous+Druid · · Score: 1

      As a Scot, I'd be quite happy for someone (anyone) else to claim the blame for that silly little-white-balls-and-sticks game. I mean, every time I try to act all manly and "I-come-from-the-country-that-throws-telephone-pol es-for-fun" like, some bastard mentions golf and curling, and I have to slink off in embarassment.

      --
      Quidquid Latine dictum sit, altum videtur (anything said in Latin sounds important)
    11. Re:COMING SOON - How Americans invented the wheel by The+Famous+Druid · · Score: 1

      No, and todays computers don't bear much resemblance to those huge monsters from the early days either, but that shouldn't stop us giving credit where it's due.

      --
      Quidquid Latine dictum sit, altum videtur (anything said in Latin sounds important)
    12. Re:COMING SOON - How Americans invented the wheel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even though I am an American, I too have a difficult time with our "happened here first" / "King of the World" attitude. Sagan, in the book "Contact" (and IIRC this made it into the movie) mentions exactly the same 2 things you did. On page 95 in my copy:

      "What if the Nazis didn't have television in 1936? Then what would have happened?"
      "Well, then I suppose it would have been the coronation of George the Sixth, or one of the transmissions about the New York World's Fair in 1939....


      Right there in front of everyone is a refutation of the superiority of Americans-- "last" to broadcast television-- and still we hold to our myth of RCA and the invention of television. The last culture I can think of that had such an foul attitude of world domination and rampant blatant idea theft from other cultures was the Romans (with, respectively, their conquest of new lands and their religion lifted straight from the Greek). All talk of bread and circuses aside, that attitude contributed a lot to their downfall-- resting on other cultures' laurels would make them incapable of adapting to changing needs (as seen by their solution to the problems of needing said bread and circues: they kept conquering new countries even though it would exasperate the problem in the long run).

      I'm laying in for a long "siege", in a physical, scientific and intelectual sense: when the Empire falls, I expect the invading "barbarians" will be corporations. If you can't visualize what that would mean, read Heinlein's Friday, or any cyberpunk. Nice world to read about, but sheer terror to think about living in.

    13. Re:COMING SOON - How Americans invented the wheel by elflord · · Score: 2
      Damn, you guys still talk cockney? Even after what 5 or six generations (possibly more) since your criminal (not intended as an insult) ancestors were shipped to australia?

      Most Aussies arrived during the gold rush, not on prison ships. Cheers,

    14. Re:COMING SOON - How Americans invented the wheel by mpe · · Score: 2

      What, apart from PAL, the colour system used in most of the world?

      PAL isn't perfect, by any means. Then the French wanted to do something different and came up with SECAM.

      IIRC it was developed around the same time as the US developed NTSC, but provides superior quality, without the colour drift that NTSC suffers from.

      PAL is effectivly NTSC V2. Whilst you don't need "tint" controls on PAL receivers, IIRC, it is worst than NTSC when it comes to colour fringing artefacts.

    15. Re:COMING SOON - How Americans invented the wheel by Courageous · · Score: 2

      Um, not wanting to sound too internationalist here, but when will you septics break out of your parochial "we invented everything" state of mind?

      Everyone who believes that "we in country X invented such and such" should take a good gander at the Pulitzer Prize winning _Guns, Germs, and Steel_. Great book.

      Anyway, to wit: the ascendancy of any one culture/nation is not based on its ability to invent, but rather on its embracing of those new technologies.

      C//

    16. Re:COMING SOON - How Americans invented the wheel by The+Famous+Druid · · Score: 1

      Actually, the big influx has been post WW2.

      My family were 'ten quid migrants' in the 1960s.

      --
      Quidquid Latine dictum sit, altum videtur (anything said in Latin sounds important)
    17. Re:COMING SOON - How Americans invented the wheel by The+Famous+Druid · · Score: 1

      1. Guns Germs and Steel - I agree, very good book.

      2. As to embracing new ideas/technologies, have a look at China and Japan, which were both pretty similar civilizations a few hundred years ago. Japan embraced foreign technologies (even sending to Scotland to hire shipbuilding experts to staff their university of naval engineering) while China adopted an "if it was worthwhile, we'd already have invented it" attitude.

      Hopefully the internet will help break down the last of this silly national parochialism in the USA and elsewhere (I've seen some blatant examples elsewhere, but don't want to start a "who's most parochial" slanging match).

      --
      Quidquid Latine dictum sit, altum videtur (anything said in Latin sounds important)
    18. Re:COMING SOON - How Americans invented the wheel by Courageous · · Score: 2

      Parochialism... *shrug*. I prefer to call it Jingoism, but whatever.

      American culture has historically had going for it a situational venue in which adaptation to "new stuff" has been resoundingly supported. Hence, "electric lights weren't invented here, but first adopted here." And "the motor and the automobile: not invented here, but made very popular here". If we lose this meme, we'll go the way of... well, the Arabs maybe.

      C//

    19. Re:COMING SOON - How Americans invented the wheel by The+Famous+Druid · · Score: 1

      >The last culture I can think of that had such an
      > foul attitude of world domination and rampant
      > blatant idea theft from other cultures was the
      > Romans

      You should read more history, pretty much everyone who was (or was able to delude themselves that they were) 'top dog' has displayed this sort of silly attitude. I could quote several examples of other nationalities (including my own) demonstrating their greatly inflated sense of self-importance, but I don't want to start an international slanging match.

      It's all very childish really. I don't think I'm special just because I was born on the same land-mass as Isaac Newton, and I wish those who do would just grow up.

      Basically, if people don't want to accept blame for every bad thing any of their countrymen have ever done, they should stop trying to claim credit for every good thing.

      --
      Quidquid Latine dictum sit, altum videtur (anything said in Latin sounds important)
  62. Grow up, little snotnose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    You must be a teenager still living with mommy if you don't see the reason for marketing. Wait until you grow up and enter the real world.

  63. The problem is a simple one... by Kindaian · · Score: 1

    One doesn't live on thin air... so the assumptions are incorrect.

    The lone inventor does exist, but it is a endangered species... the survivers are those that have sources of income other then they labor and those that don't mind to spend years to get the invention done...

    Cheers...

  64. Here's a lone inventor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Although he's insane. Maurice Ward of Starlite fame? The English barber who mixed chemicals in his spare time and came up with that heat resistant polymer about 12 years ago?

    He's insane because he refuses to sell his formula because he thinks he'll be cheated out of some money. He's like 68, if he gets 10 million or 10 billion, what's the difference to him? He can't do anything anymore, his body is finished. I'd take the money and just enjoy my last 10 or so years!

    That's a hell of a lot of lap dances, or candy bowls full of coke, or Hummer demolition derbies! Or a giant mansion built on the side of a mountain! Some people!

  65. wrong about farnsworth by Phil-14 · · Score: 1

    I thought the main problem with Farnsworth
    was that RCA basically defrauded the patent
    office and took credit for his invention.


    I'd suggest, given recent events with things
    like the Skunk Works, which started out efficient
    but is now nothing but, that small teams are
    more important than large teams.

    --
    (currently testing something about signatures here)
  66. What about Steve Wozniack? by gorehog · · Score: 1

    I was going to comment wihtout reading it, then i realoized how ignorant that would be. Ignorance is bliss.

    The author of the article blithely rants on and on and on about the invention of television as the death of the lone inventor. Then he discusses the nature of complex inventions where several simple devices converge to make a more complex one. And all the while he forgets about Edison.

    Let me first talk about Edison here. Edison is a prime example of the death of the "lone inventor." We all know he had a workshop of engineers working for him, developing vacuum tubes and sealing processes, searching for filaments for the lightbulb, designing movie projectiors, cameras, film, and emulsions. Edison did a lot but he did it in such a way as to uindustrialize the process of invention and shape it into engineering.

    What about Steve Wozniack? The INDIVIDUAL who sat down and soldered together the Apple computer. Yes, I know he didnt build the first hobbyists computer, but he _arguably_ built the first PERSONAL Computer. Marketed it. And did it without causing legal patent problems, did it so that the licensing was all clear and above board.

    There are inventions developed by individuals every day. It is true that marketing and manufacturing requires more money than the average person has. Look around, there are tool maufacturing companies that make submission forms available in machine shops in case you have a good idea that no one else has patented.

    Here is the problem with this article. The author has never INVENTED. He does not realize what the difference is between invetion and marketing/manufacturing. He does not realize that some patents are sold or licensed for other puposes. The author has a romantic notion of what an inventor is; a tall, thin, blue eyed, wispy haired dreamer. Any African-American reading this should be pissed off, George Washington Carver looked nothing like that.

    In fact, the author's entire article is based on the romantic ideal. The idea that the invention of television is a turning point of multiple dimensions, that it heralded the end of the depression, the start of a new form of communication, and the death of individual invention.

    In Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance there is a difference illustrated between romantic and classical thought. A classical thinker sees the parts, the forest for the trees. A romantic thinker sees the forest as a whole, for the magnificence of the forest. This article is an example of romantic thought applied to a classical discipline.

  67. Loser pays? by BarefootClown · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Quoth the poster:

    Legal reform for this problem made simple: The loosing [sic] party pays ALL legal expenses for ALL parties!....just think...no more nuiscense [sic] suits,

    While this might sound like a good idea on the surface, it would in fact have a devastating effect on the justice system. Even the most seemingly ironclad lawsuit is a crapshoot when taken before a judge. Law is a game of subtleties and minutiae; further more, it is inherently subjective. The mere fact that claims are contested is evidence of this: a case that seems airtight to a plaintiff is scoffed at by the defendant. The judge listens to the arguments as presented by each side (in effect, making the skill of the argument part of the case, for better or for worse), and renders his decision based on his legal training, precedent, his experiences, his ideology (again, for better or for worse), and a whole host of other factors. These factors introduce an element of chance into the proceedings, an element which one cannot discount.

    What does this mean? It means that even the most solid case, argued by the most skilled attorney, can be lost. Now, if you make the loser pay the legal fees for both sides, then you are putting a potential plaintiff in the position of having to pay legal fees on a case that may have been perfectly legitimate, but cursed by bad luck; this problem is compounded by the fact that with the loser paying, both parties would have incentive to hire the best attorney possible: if a better attorney can win the case for you, and you won't have to pay if you win, then it is absolutely to your advantage to hire somebody better. This would inevitably lead to a chilling effect on lawsuits. While that may be viewed as desirable, the chill would extend not just to frivilous suits, but to legitimate suits as well.

    Also consider enforcement: if Microsoft were found to be using code from the Linux kernel, and Linus decided to file suit against Microsoft, how would he be held to pay if he should lose? Would he be required to post funds in advance in escrow, in case he loses? How much should he post? Microsoft has quite a legal team. What if MS decided to hire additional lawyers, or specialists? Perhaps expert witnesses? Should Linus pony up every time they add a staffer to the payroll? If you institute a policy like this, quashing a lawsuit would be as easy as hiring everybody you know. The other options would be to make them pay afterward (what if they don't have the money), or require some sort of legal insurance (equally expensive).

    Short answer is that, while it may seem attractive, having the loser pay the winner's legal fees, it would have dramatic negative consequences. A better idea, perhaps, would be to have a two-tiered system: bring your case before the court, the judge listens to the synopses. If your case fails a "straight-face" test, he can instruct you to pay the defendant's legal fees. If you pass the "straight-face" test, you move on to the trial court, and follow the current rules. This is, in fact, a derivative of the criminal system: before the trial, the prosecution must get an indictment. The indictment forces the prosecution to show some sufficient cause to believe that you committed a crime, before you go to trial. Incidentally, even now, there are some provisions for making the the loser pay the winner's legal fees; legal fees can be included in a judgement. This is just used semi-sparingly, to prevent the effects mentioned above.

    Just for the record, I am not a lawyer, so feel free to correct me anywhere I missed a detail. My dad is, though (Oklahoma, Ohio, and Federal bar (USAF)), and we've discussed this at length. He's disgusted with the legal industry, too. :-)

    --

    "Make it ten--I am only a poor corrupt official."
    --Captain Louis Renault (Claude Rains), Casablanca

    1. Re:Loser pays? by gorilla · · Score: 2

      The better system is that used in the UK, where the judge decides on costs seperatly from the case. You can win the case, and have to eat your own costs, or you can loose the case and have to pay for the other side's costs.

  68. Manjusri Effect: Collective Genius(was yea, right) by Tony+Laszlo,+Tokyo · · Score: 2, Informative

    This notion has existed in Japan (and perhaps other parts of Asia) for some time. I refer to it as the Manjusri Effect in an upcoming column here: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/shukan-st/articles/ . Fair warning: should be avoided by people who have no interest in the FIFA World Cup which will commence very soon. "Manjusri Effect" is taken from the proverb: "if three people put their heads together they will generate the wisdom of Manjusri" (the Buddhist deity of Omniscience). The related webpage noted in the article is here (under construction): http://www.issho.org/tl/ourmessages-fifa2002.html

  69. claim for a new evolutionary step by Chris+Johnson · · Score: 2
    This is in effect a claim for a new evolutionary step- aggregate entities, aka corporations. It's more or less being claimed that human beings can't matter any more because the aggregate entities are so well resourced that they can starve, outmaneuver, and destroy any individual no matter how talented.

    The reason given (or one of them) is that individuals are subject to things like harassing lawsuits and the inability to concentrate on the work of inventing due to distracting influences- which is to some extent self-fulfilling, because you are talking about demands placed on the individual by a governmental judiciary system that is equally available to individuals and aggregates.

    It's a bit like spam: if aggregate entities can have (or evolve) parts (lawyers) solely to attack and cripple the progress of individuals, then this criticism of the 'lone inventor' becomes absolutely unanswerable: by definition it becomes impossible for an individual to stand against aggregates because it's far too simple to immobilize an individual with harassing lawsuits. The only hope for an individual in this situation is to be assimilated or to 'fly under the radar' doing things that may contribute to society but won't be identified as mass market 'inventions' and fought over.

    We may be seeing just this sort of issue arise with Linux and Free Software in general: this type of cooperation among unrelated individuals flew under the radar for some time, and now Microsoft strongly wishes to destroy it, and has taken steps (shared source licensing) to outmaneuver it: it is possible that the only counter to this will be another sort of aggregation, the definition of an 'open source community' inclusively as its own aggregate, and the using of this to fight defensive actions. At the very least, it's become necessary to take on aggregate threat appraisal, as seen on places like Slashdot. If everyone had to make their own judgement call on things like Microsoft's viral shared source licensing, with not everybody equally able to identify dangerous legal points or refer them to a lawyer, how easy would it be to neutralize the entire Free Software movement and place it in a position of awful legal liability and vulnerability? It's been necessary to have a way to get the word out about such things, and this in itself is a form of aggregation.

    I suppose the question to be asking is, what FORM of aggregation is needed? Something like Microsoft or Enron is only one form of aggregate entity. It doesn't have to be that way- in fact it could be just about any way imaginable, because these things are a combination of natural social forces (tempting to get into 'psychohistory' here!) and legal frameworks defining what such an aggregate is and what its goals, needs, defining qualities are.

    This latter cannot be accepted as a fait accompli: the legal frameworks must be subject to re-appraisal in the event that we ended up defining an aggregate entity with about as much future as cancer. It's quite possible to define such a thing with self-destructive, unsustainable qualities, and to set it free and let it rage and burn out. And there's enough of that about: the next level needs to happen, now.

  70. Philo Farnsworth's Waterloo wasn't TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was fusion.

    http://www.mathematik.uni-marburg.de/~kronjaeg/h v/ fusor/construction/index.html

    OK, so it wasn't a Waterloo, I just wanted to use that word today... Water ... Loo.... he heheheh

    Philo was a genius.

  71. Edison's Desk by Lucas+Membrane · · Score: 1

    When Edison's desk was opened fifteen years after he died, a sample of uranium nitrate was found among the last things he had been working with. The proponents of the Edison myth suggested that he had been on the road to nuclear energy in the early 1930's. But, Edison had no knowledge of nuclear physics, only a few weeks of education, not much contact with theoretical researchers. It is nearly impossible that he could have been working on nuclear energy, let alone contributed anything to its development. The age had changed. Edison was a great man of the nineteenth century. In the 21st, no one can tell you who our great inventors are, except that Bill Gates invented the mail merge. A scientist was Time's man of the year five years ago -- now he's forgotten.

  72. your summary is wrong! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The thesis is that it is rare to have a single innovation that makes a product workable and that getting all of the inovations together requires a (large) corporation.

    wrong! the thesis of the article is medium sized corporations gain all of the advantages of size but retain the flexibility of smaller organizations.

    re-read the article more carefully.

  73. HELLO! YES I KNOW HOW TO MAKE AI! by CrazyJim0 · · Score: 1

    www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~sager/ai

    I designed instant messaging for computers in 92
    Gnutella in 99
    P2P policing networks in 99
    Auction sites in 92
    Personal ads in 92
    Developed a MMORPG in 92, but corporations beat me to release.

    Hello, welcome to my life. I graduated from Carnegie Mellon and I can't get a job anywhere so I'm mowing lawns so I can get drunk.

    I could make c3po AI if I had like 10-20 coders with me, but I won't since I can't make money doing it. And 10 years for a society that sucks that bad isn't worth it.

  74. Evidence against by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this argument is found here where a certain Paul Moller has been developing nothing less than a flying car for 30 years, and has dozens of patents to show for it.

    1. Re:Evidence against by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but not a single flying car though. Where can I buy one? Oops. You need that corporation to back you up, methinks.

  75. Re:Manjusri Effect: Collective Genius(was yea, rig by Tony+Laszlo,+Tokyo · · Score: 1

    Correction on that URL for the Manjusri Effect. Should be here: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/ shukan-st/st-articles.htm The article.

  76. There are always new ideas and new solutions by Mandelbrute · · Score: 3, Insightful
    A new solution may only take a single idea, and many seemingly obvious fixes take an individual to implement it.

    An example is automotive cooling systems. For the majority of the last century to water flowed through in the wrong direction. The cold water came in through where the oil was kept, then the warmed water flowed around the cylinders where everything is hot. Now you want your oil to be nice and warm so that it will flow well and cover everything, and you want the rest of the engine to be kept cool so that pistons don't get stuck and other high temperature nastyness. The reason the water flowed the way it did was simply because that was the way water flowed with gravity feed, but for nearly a century after the water pump was introduced into the system the water flowed the wrong way.

    There is always room for innovation. Even very simple systems can sometimes do with a tweak. The role of the lone inventor is not over, as shown by such people as the guy in Thailand that is making spherical fire extinguisers that you operate by rolling them into a fire.

  77. The Difference... by Bugmaster · · Score: 1
    ...between a lone inventor and a corporate employee is that the inventor can decide what he wants to build. If he has some crazy visionary idea, like transmitting moving pictures over pieces of wire, he can go ahead and build it.

    The corporate employee, however, builds whatever his employer tells him to build. Usually, this involves upgrading existing technology in some way. Corporations are slow and cautious; they cannot afford to invest much of their time into crackpot inventions (moving pictures ? bah !) that most likely will tank.

    I think there is also a distinction between building a prototype and a complete product. An inventor usually only has resources to complete an initial "proof-of-concept" version of his device. The marketing, improvements, aesthetically pleasing translucent plastic shells, etc., are beyound his price range. Which is why his best choice is to sell out to someone, an inverstor or a corporation, who has those kind of resources.

    In conclusion, inventors and corporations are interdependent. Coroporations cannot innovate, and investors cannot market their products. It takes both for some new technology (cell phones, TV, AC power) to take off.

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  78. Tell that to the RIAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They might take a different stance on the innovation of one single person

  79. One word......Dyson by Fishy · · Score: 1

    (Times Rich List)

    41= JAMES DYSON £650m Household appliances

    His book is really worth a read if you can get hold of it (Against The Odds), the underhand tactics of big business is really eye opening.

  80. Oh, not again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Look. An American DID NOT INVENT TELEVISION. It was John Logie Baird, a Scotsman.

    Cheers,
    Ian

  81. Not so fast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The recent spate of web-based inventions (till the economy collapsed) are a prime example of lone inventors still being able to make it big. Take hotmail, napster, google....the list is endless, all these were started by lone inventors (phds or high school dropouts) who were funded by VCs for their ideas

    The specific case of Shawn Fanning and napster is a good example. There's no doubt that peer to peer systems is one of the revolutionary ideas to come out of the www...and the discovery is generally credited to Fanning, a lone inventor.

  82. What a load of Crap! by kiwipeso · · Score: 1

    ANy Lone Inventor can outthink an organisation!

    I should know, I have already outwitted several governments already!

    If you need proof, I suggest you check the recent episode of Star Trek entitled "Conspiracy"

    Those Lying sons of bitches!

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    - Kaos games and encryption systems developer
  83. John Logie Baird invented TV the year before.... by rklrkl · · Score: 1
    Lemme see:

    The New Yorker article says that Farnsworth finally got his TV "invention" working on 7th September 1927.

    This Canadian article says that Scotsman John Logie Baird officially demonstrated working TV on 26th January 1926 (and actually had it working 4 months earlier than that).

    Nice to see that Americans like to believe they invented TV - it was actually the Scots ! This makes the entire "Myth of the Lone Inventor" stuff rather tainted - Farnsworth did *not* invent TV ! Shamefully, most of America has been brought up on this lie - I visited a Science Museum in the US and was shocked to see no mention of Baird in its "inventor of TV" section.

  84. we stand on the shoulders of giants by oliverthered · · Score: 1

    and then cut there legs off.'

    one of my favourite quotes from many a patent holding organisation.

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    thank God the internet isn't a human right.
  85. Good news everyone! by Bazman · · Score: 2

    If success is measured in terms of being referenced in a Matt Groening cartoon series, then Farnsworth was no failure!

    Baz

  86. Try the lightbulb! by nagora · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Americans seem convinced that Edison invented the lightbulb despite the fact that he actually set up a company to make them with the real inventor (Swan) because he couldn't break the patent and even had to give Swan joint naming credit in the company (Edison and Swan United Electric Company). It was a classic, and often repeated case of Edison trying to steal other peoples inventions or supress them (often through direct violent force with hired and armed heavies). It is a rare example of the old bastard losing, though.

    These days Swan is airbrushed out of the story in the States.

    TWW

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    "Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
  87. Re:John Logie Baird invented TV the year before... by Sique · · Score: 1

    And if you look back... There was a guy called Paul Nipkow who 1890 already filed a patent for the mechanical-optical picture disassemblation, even though at his time there was no means to convert the light impulses into electrical ones to transmit them. Reconversation was possible already with the light bow lamp though.
    Wonder why Farnsworth and Baird demonstrated their invention about 25 years after Nipkow's patent was filed. It surely has nothing to do with Nipkow's patent expiring just at this moment.

    So, while the invention was already done 1890. the practical version using the Braun's tube (cathode ray tube) was demonstrated by Manfred von Ardenne in 1935 in Berlin.

    Sique

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  88. Didn't James Burke cover this 15+ years ago? by nagora · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The basic premise of the TV series "Connections" was that no one pulls an invention completly out of their own mind, it's always based on earlier work.

    In fact, Issac Newton summed it up somewhat earlier when he said "If I have seen further than others, it is through standing on the shoulders of giants" (precise wording not guaranteed, statutory rights not affected).

    TWW

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    "Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
  89. You are right, but... by seizer · · Score: 2

    You are absolutely correct, of course (and coming from Scotland, I'm just a wee bit proud). But there is one caveat which should be noted in this case:

    John Logie Baird invented what is called mechanical television, and Farnsworth invented electronic television (the ancestor of what we have today). The difference isn't quite clear to me, but it seems that mechanical tv cameras captured images with a rotating disc, with holes cut in; whereas Farnsworth's electric TV used an "iconoscope" - something which Google couldn't explain to me in the 2 minutes I had...

    Either way, JLB should definitely get the accolade for the invention; but Farnsworth should be noted as a great inventor in his own right.

    If anyone wants to clarify this further, I'll be as interested as anybody.

    1. Re:You are right, but... by Gordonjcp · · Score: 2

      The Iconoscope tube was the precursor of the "modern" camera tube. It was invented in about 1932 by Vladimir Zyworkin, working for RCA. Basically you scan a beam of electrons (much the same way as a TV tube scans) over a plate of photosensitive material. The intensity of the light falling on the plate controls the current through the tube. However, they were woefully insensitive, and needed a lot of light to work at all. They were replaced in the early forties by more sensitive designs, which made these cameras far more practical.

  90. Hydralic Rams by pmc · · Score: 3, Informative

    But then there is another story not many people remember about someone doing work on creating a pump mechanism that you place in a river. Using the kinetic force of the movement of the water to power a pump to take some of the water from the river and push it thorugh a hose up a hill. This was a device that was just submerged in the water without the need to dam the river.

    I'm not surprised that not many people remember it. What you have described is a hydralic ram, which was invented by the Montgolfier brothers (of ballon fame) in 1793. See here for the details.

  91. ARM.... by MosesJones · · Score: 3, Interesting


    ARM are a smallish bunch of guys based in the UK, they "think" for a living, then sell the ideas to the rest of the industry.

    So IP based companies can work, and leave the heavy lifting to others.

    In the world of outsourcing this is a common model, and ARM are probably the best examples of how to be an ideas company.

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    An Eye for an Eye will make the whole world blind - Gandhi
  92. Re:Looked at your site by MickLinux · · Score: 1

    Okay, I looked at your site, and read the first half -- I'll read the second half later. Here are my thoughts so far: (1) Switch to Linux. Linux can also handle real-time camera input for at least some cameras, and since it is open-source, you can get more info. None of this closed-source magician act. (2) To properly gain "blob" object recognition, you need to take two subsequent photographs, subtract them, and then take the 2-D FFT using small blocks (say, 32). The position of high values in the output of each FFT will tell you approximate movement vectors. You then take the movement vectors to map how blocks of pixels move. Then you identify the blocks of pixels in a recursive prediction function in order to identify those pixels that move together, and those that don't. (3) To extend this, you also need to allow for transformations (such as when a person turns their body.) So you also have to map how pixel blocks respond in more ways than just moving. (4) If you are finding it too expensive to live, come to a 2nd world country. (See www.escapeartist.com). Then hire your programmers *there*.

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  93. Indeed, It's bullshit! by Moderation+abuser · · Score: 2

    Invention starts with a single individual having a compelling idea. They don't start out as massively complex projects, they grow to be that way. A jet engine for example is a beautifully simple concept, but a modern jet engine now has complex control systems that the prototypes never had.

    Television - Baird BTW, not Farnsworth.
    Telephone.
    Hovercraft.
    Jet engine.
    Pneumatic tyres.
    RADAR.

    Just some examples where individuals had such good ideas that they felt compelled to pursue them.

    Large companies do not have inventions. The collective IQ of a large company is pretty damned low, for every bright spark, there's half a dozen PHBs making sure he doesn't rock the boat or upset the gravy train.

    Where companies help is with continuing incremental development, marketing and sales of the initial idea, usually after it's already proven to have commercial applications.

    It has to be said that Americans aren't really very good at invention anyway. It's the Scots especially and to a lesser extent, the English who are truly world class inventors.

    --
    Government of the people, by corporate executives, for corporate profits.
    1. Re:Indeed, It's bullshit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thing about Sir Frank Whittle's invention of the jet engine is that he invented it long before the Second World War but couldn't get the funding to develop it as nobody was interested.

      Had we entered WWII with jet engined fighters and bombers, I suspect the whole thing would have been over much sooner.

  94. Strange! by MrFredBloggs · · Score: 1

    Article doesnt mention Dysan or Bayliss. Oh well.

  95. Definately American by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you know them, you won't get hurt

  96. Geek syndrome by Paul+Johnson · · Score: 2
    Sounds like Farnsworth suffered from some mild form of Autism. See this article for more details, but "idiot savant" talents like perfect drawings in childhood and a later inability to understand what the world is doing sound very much like it.

    If so then Farnsworth is a bad example to use for the main point of this essay. Farnsworth's problems are as likely to stem from autism as anything else. Other lone geniuses have managed to create major inventions and use the patent system to do so. The Bell telephone is the obvious example.

    Paul.

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    You are lost in a twisty maze of little standards, all different.
  97. Excuse me... WHO invented the television??? by psychofox · · Score: 1
    The inventor of television is widely acknowledged (at least in non-US circles) to be John Logie Baird (a Scot).

    Philo Taylor Farnsworth built on Bairds ideas to produce an all electric television. It is quite incredible to me that this seems to go unnoticed by so many.

    Indeed, http://www.inventorsmuseum.com/television.htm fails to even mention Bairds name!

    An excellent resource for those interested is http://www.digitalcentury.com/encyclo/update/baird . tml

    1. Re:Excuse me... WHO invented the television??? by CrazyBusError · · Score: 1

      Remember you're on a website dominated by Americans who truly believed they invented everything worth having. The fact that the Scots invented telephones, tarmac, television and numerous other devices relied on by modern society seems to escape them...

      I'm just waiting for they day Babbage and Turing are forgotten about as inventors of the computer.

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      -Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience-
  98. Lone inventors by runninghawk · · Score: 1

    If you really believe that the day of the lone inventor is over you really need to look at these websites. and They will hopefully dispel this myth once and for all. Jerry Scovel.

  99. not correct.... by mirnav · · Score: 1
    Not correct. Genius, inspiration, and even luck will always be the driving factor of individual discoveries.


    Polymerase Chain Reaction was discovered by Mullis while working at home, when he microwaved the DNA solution in a flash of inspiration. He got a Nobel prize for this discovery.


    Einstein was working as a clerk in Swiss Patent Office when he came up with the theories of Relativity, as well as some other papers on the nature of light. He was 26.

    1. Re:not correct.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Einstein was 26 in about 1905 wasn't he? Nearly a century ago (and look at everything that's happened since then.) If you're going back a full century, there's a ton of people you can use, such as Telsa.

      As for Kary Mullis, his own article in Scientific American (April 1990) is titled "The Unusual Origin of the Polymerase Chain Reaction." Even he admits the way the idea occured was not the usual. And the idea came to him in 1983. I'd wager the farther back you go, the more individuals you'll find, and the farther ahead we go, the less individuals inventing on their own.

    2. Re:not correct.... by rycamor · · Score: 1

      > I'd wager the farther back you go, the more individuals you'll find, and the farther ahead we go, the less individuals inventing on their own. The thesis (which claims that potential inventions and discoveries are getting more complex, thus precluding lone discoverers) only takes into account some of the factors involved, while ignoring significant others. One significant factor: the discoveries that have been made put significantly more ability into the hands of the lone thinker.

      Think about it; these days, I can access literally milllions of research documents on any subject I want, even without being a member of said university or institution. I can perform an amazing quantity of scientific computation and modeling using cheap used computers and free software. I can communicate cheaply and instantly with almost anyone. Tools of all kinds are comparatively cheaper than they have ever been. Just spend some time at a local Home Depot, Lowe's Hardware, or Radio Shack (if you are in the U.S.)

      Throughout history, we have seen naysayers of this sort. Every generation has a prophet saying we have reached the end of human capability in one area or another, and they are consistently proved wrong. I'm waiting to see the next one.

      I think some of the reasons we don't see more lone inventors are due more to social factors, bad education, government, etc... Let's face it: in the U.S. and many other parts of the world, we are increasingly living in a society which punishes individual accomplishment, while rewarding those who "play by the rules" (meaning: those who know how to manipulate the government grant system, or who have the best lobbyists and lawyers).

      Another point about lone inventors: Even in the past, no inventor just stayed by him/herself in a room. They were always interacting with other thinkers, sharing theories, etc..., even if just on an informal basis. So, the whole argument is somewhat mis-characterized anyway.

    3. Re:not correct.... by rycamor · · Score: 1

      Oops. Separate the first sentence (quoted) from the rest of the paragraph. (my response)

  100. This guys an idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually -
    The exact opposite is true. REAL innovation and change in the industry only comes from the maverick innovators who won't accept the status quo. Big business does not keep the lone inventor out of the game. But incessant government bureaucracy that makes the lone innovator fill out myriads of forms just to start and maintain a business, let alone the expertise that one must have in accounting just to satisfy the IRS, are the things that drive most inventors out of the business. Get a grip.

  101. ....came up with the electric light? by alext · · Score: 2

    Joseph Swan's lamp (carbon filament) was demonstrated in February 1879, Edison's in October.

    Yhere was a pretty free market in electronic ideas at that time (see also the thermionic valve/tube) so drawing conclusions about the critical nature of a particular individual or team regarding these innovations is problematic, despite what the textbooks would have us believe.

  102. Agreed but it's the same for all inventions by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2

    A large thing that all inventors have in common is years of redesigns and years of development before anyone will take them seriously.

    It was the same for the hovercraft, television, the pneumatic tyre, the aeroplane... All of them. People think that it takes a large corporation to invent things but that's not the case, it takes self belief and years of dedication but it can be done.

    I'll even go as far as to say that the lone inventor is the only way truly world changing revolutionary technologies will appear. Corporations just won't risk money on the ventures and the mental straight jackets on governments are too tight.

    Success doesn't come handed on a plate.

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  103. oh really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    being an American of Scottish decent I figured that gave some credentials to comment on this. (it shouldn't but people are stupid and believe what they want) Americans don't think we invented everything, we KNOW it. What that means is that it is trully ignorance, not arrogance. Instead of being an asshole, try simply to educate others. The first poster did that. Instead of taking that ride aboard the 'We all hate Americans but we don't really know why' bandwagon, why not take a critical look at how Europeans do the very same damn thing ALL the time. It is called human nature, and it is not only not mutually exclusive with nationality but you will find that French, British, Germans and Swedes are notoriosly guilty of it as well.

    We are all growing tired of this knee-jerk anti-Americanism that only breeds more ignorance on the part of the anti-Americans and Americans themselves. Try to enlighten instead of infuriating.

  104. ignorance is bliss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    educate and ignorance goes away. Mock and ignorance flurishes and grows

    1. Re:ignorance is bliss by nagora · · Score: 2
      Mock and ignorance flurishes and grows

      So, not a fan of Paine or Swift, I take it?

      TWW

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      "Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
  105. here is a clue for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    the more people like you act like assholes and hypocritically and ironically attack ALL Americans for bits of ignorance, then you will only drive away any real intent to learn the truth. Forgive me sir, but your first sentence of 'not wanting to sound internationalist here, but...' is a prime example of how the word 'but' is a politicians tool that while in truth fully negates the first part of the sentence can be used as a political justification to say, 'but I said I wasn't trying to sound internationalist!'

    Face it, you are just another of the army of mindless sheep that hates everything American. Funny thing is, you fail to realize that it is people like you that create the problem in the first place. When Americans see this crap they lose interest in the truth behind your rhetoric and see just another attack on Americans. If however you simply educate and present the facts then I believe you will find Americans are greatly interested in the truth. Going on, the further but related irony is that Americans very rarely hear credit given for the many things that Americans HAVE done. (Now don't get me wrong here, I find that shit silly, just as being 'proud' of you heritage is silly... you are who you make yourself to be not what your ancestors were) It becomes the same situation in which an intelligent debate breaks down to a petty argument... no one learns so no one wins

  106. The article is All Groundless Speculation! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Philo Farnsworth should have gone to work for RCA. He would still have been the father of television, and he might have died a happy man.

    Or, RCA would have screwed him out of his rights even more(not unlikely given their patent policy), given him a meaningless token position, and slowly drained him of his will to live.

    My god, this article is bad. It can be summed up as this: "Because Farnsworth screwed up, every lone inventor is a screw up."

  107. fucking putz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if you are too stupid to look at the meaning underlying the words and comment on them then please restrict yourself to any small Skinner (is that correct spelling?) box for a period of 5 decades. I wish people like you would never speak or type on boards, unless it was boards devoted to spelling and grammar. Intelligence is primarily defined as the ability to adapt to new situations and stimulus... you sir are a fucking idiot then.

  108. BBC Baird Standard System by Interrobang · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, the Baird Standard System actually was used in Britain, and people watched it, too. Here's a page on early television history (begins with Nipkow in 1884[!]) by one of the foremost television scholars around.

    There's much more interesting stuff on this page, including a history of Phonovision, Baird's attempt to record his television experiments;

    and information on the earliest known recording of broadcast television, which dates from 1933, incidentally somewhat earlier than the Berlin Olympics broadcast in '36...

    Granted, we now use an electronic system for television, but where would we have been without the analogue version?

    Interrobang, graverobbing dead media since 1996

  109. MQR is still growing up by MarkusQ · · Score: 2

    You must be a teenager still living with mommy if you don't see the reason for marketing. Wait until you grow up and enter the real world.

    *laugh* I still remember how anoyed I was the first time I wasn't carded. It was in the 1980's.

    But I guess I'm still among the very young at heart.

    -- MarkusQ

  110. Linux, PERL, OSS - are NOT inventions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    To all of you posters who decry that there are lone inventors becuase Linux Torvolds invented Linux, or Larry Wall invented PERL, or the faceless masses are inventing open source software ...

    Get over yourselves. Writing an operating system, or scripting language, or a new improved pac-man clone are not inventions. Developements on prior art (maybe).

  111. Ah contraire! by HarderDeeperFaster · · Score: 1

    Although I agree with the thesis, there are examples to the contrary. The most notable is the invention of polymerase chain reaction (PCR) by Kary Mullis for amplification of nucleic acids circa 1987. This was a one-man deal and became a major invention in spite of the corporation Kary Mullis was working for. BTW he won the Nobel Prize for it.

  112. read this! - why patents suck by fantomas · · Score: 1

    Vandana Shiva -- Patents: Myths and Reality
    Penguin India,ISBN 014029824X


    A great book destroying some myths, pointing out that a great deal of patents are based on work carried out over hundreds or possibly thousands of years, gradual accumulation of wisdom by people who shared knowledge for whatever reasons.... and along come (mainly western) corporations and claim they have invented a process or discovered a plant and some uses for it and wish to charge everybody else for doing so...


    Free software movement? sharing by farmers been going on for thousands of years but the big companies are trying to close it down fast....


    (blurb from the publishers follows....)

    "Dr Vandana Shiva in her most recent offering, demystifies patent laws and highlights the ethical, ecological and economic impacts of globalised patent regimes."


  113. difference of product 'n patent by dinosnider666 · · Score: 1

    Hiya. Yeah, a lone inventor will not control a whole product, usually. But so what? If your patent is used, you get c. 10% royalty. Sure, the big corp will make a killing on your idea. Yet you still become rich. So why would I care if I control a product? I'm in the patent game for CASH.
    Frankly, you can make big bux on a product without patent; just get in early then get out.

  114. Re:But what about Dean Kamen? Bullshi_ !! by geekster_2000 · · Score: 1

    This is what large corporations and Venture Capital would like you to believe.

    Inventors first of all like solving problems !

    I recommend to all inventors always CONTROL
    51 % OF YOUR IDEAS !!!!

    Never allow anyone to control your ideas, hold
    out for your deal. The world needs you more than
    you need the world. BE PATIENT !!!!

  115. death of "lottery patents" by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    The problem with "inventions" is that whether something is truly unique, different, etc. is a human judgement call.

    Inventions are not "objective", and so it requires expensive experts to not only understand the technology, but be in a place to influence decisions (such as a judge).

    The murkier something is, the harder it is for raw merit to play the biggest role.

    The best is probably for a small guy to get a patent (requires roughly 8 grand), and hope to license or sell it to a big company for a decent fee.

    However, they have bigger lawyers and deeper pockets, so don't expect to make a killing, because they have more power to keep you from big money than you have to get it.

    IOW, they don't mind much paying you small royalties, but when it comes to multi-millions of dollars, then they will fight tooth and nail for it also.

    Perhaps if Farnsworth settled for a small stream of income from them, he would be fine. However, he probably was chasing big rainbow profits, and that is what possibly made him fail.

    Fuzzy definitions + complexity = death of "lottery patents"

  116. Inventors and Hackers by airuck · · Score: 1

    Gladwell's article does less to discount the successes of lone inventors than to support the successes of hackers, working alone or within an established research lab.

    It is entirely possible to "invent" within a single, narrowly defined discipline. This happens most often in science as discoveries of fundamental principles or emergent phenomena. The inventor may or may not reduce the discovery to a technology, but he probably has a deep understanding of his discipline.

    The successful hacker must not only be grounded in scientific fundamentals, but also have an archivists understanding of technology. Each technology can be seen as a potential member of a hacker's tool kit. The best hackers exploit multiple disciplines, crack finished technology into modular components, and rebuild to suite their vision.

    We happen to living in an independent hacker's paradise: open access to science and "dumpsters" full of juicy tidbits. It isn't all hardware, either.

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    First entomology, then virology, and finally bioinformatics systems. Bugs follow me wherever I go.
  117. the *real* discovery was missed by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    (* But it was too late. Something had died in him. "It's come to the point of choosing whether I want to be a drunk or go crazy," he told his wife. One doctor prescribed chloral hydrate, which destroyed his appetite and left him dangerously thin. *)

    Sounds like the doctor had discovered a weight-loss remedy. I find that far more useful than television. Watching television makes you fat; so something is needed to counteract that. Sounds like the perfect co-business. It would be like McAffee having a virus creation and distribution branch.

    (* Philo Farnsworth should have gone to work for RCA. He would still have been the father of television, and he might have died a happy man. *)

    He probably would have been bored and unfulfilled being just another cubicle dweller in the beurocracy of RCA. He does *not* sound like the kind of person who likes beurocracies.

  118. Have a cigar boy, you're gon'a go far by MarkusQ · · Score: 2

    There's nothing wrong with your perspective to invention, but one thing to note is it appears you're going for the "bleeding heart inventor" approach, which is to say that you don't care if you profit off your invention, which is fine, but when it's introduced to the wider world it's almost certain if that others WILL profit from your idea instead of you.

    I don't see why this point is so hard for everyone to grasp:

    I profit from an invention when my goals are met.
    There is nothing "bleeding heart" about wanting to meet your goals and not worrying over other people's get rich painfully schemes. Getting sucked into a dream of acquiring "wealth" I don't need by pushing my invention on people who don't want it on its merits and have to be "marketed" to is about as profitable to me as getting hooked on heroin would be. (Which, I might add, is more than a metaphore in some industries.)

    Here is a major clue: life is a blast, if you take the time to live it instead of always trying to "succeed" at near impossible goals that weren't your in the first place.

    As for your model of how the world gets changed, I would say you're sorrily simplifying it, and ignoring the impact of organizations on innovation & invention over the past 100 years.

    The images pumped to us by "the market" would tent to agree with you, but in my personal experience the individuals with a passion for what they are doing come first and then, if they succeed, history is rewritten by whoever has the biggest megaphone. As one friend of mine quiped, he worked seventeen years for the pure joy of doing what he loved, only to becpme "an overnight success" when he finally got funded by people who then made his life hell. When he left the company that he had "founded" to go back to actually enjoying life, the company's story was that he'd "burned out". He couldn't care less.

    -- MarkusQ

    1. Re:Have a cigar boy, you're gon'a go far by Stu+Charlton · · Score: 2

      I recognize that you care only about meeting your own goals. I was just suggesting it's quite possible that others (opportunists) will economically profit off your invention if you don't.
      If you don't care, that's fine.

      As for your second paragraph about "images pumped by the market" telling me what to think, I believe you really haven't read much history....

      --
      -Stu
    2. Re:Have a cigar boy, you're gon'a go far by MarkusQ · · Score: 2

      As for your second paragraph about "images pumped by the market" telling me what to think, I believe you really haven't read much history....

      You would be mistaken. If you recall, the point in question here is:

      Second you must have the manufacture/ marketing/ sales etc. This is the bailiwick of larger corporations.
      Looking at history I mostly see ventures carried forward by individuals, small groups, or organizations headed by the same. I also see projects that rose or fell on their merits, rather than on media blitzes and cold calling campaigns. It is possible that in my reading of history I somehow missed the copious references to large corporations with sales and marketing budgets in ancient times. Could you please point them out to me?

      -- MarkusQ

  119. Of course lone inventors have it tough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...that's why we have Sourceforge...

  120. The wrong message by CtlAtlDelete · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    We see a story that basically describes the theft of an idea and the ruin of a man. The conclusion that the author wants us to draw from this story is that individuals are powerless to bring new ideas to market and it is better to join a corporation to accomplish this. What bunk! The moral I am getting from this story (as if I did not know this already) is that big corporations use whatever means are at their disposal, whether ethical or unethical, to make a buck and crush anyone who is in their way.

  121. He's probably right, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that myth was debunked back in 1988 by Bruno Latour, in his Science in Action. Latour gives the example of the Diesel engine, which Diesel himself never actually got to work right -- he needed the resources of many machinists to turn his theoretical model into an actual working engine. Indeed, for Latour all of what he calls "technoscience" (the large domain of which science and technology are subsets) operates this way -- it is a system of networked resources, not a product of a few lone geniuses.

  122. The nature of invention by Kickstart70 · · Score: 1
    The software industry short-sells itself

    Inventions later than the introduction of metallurgy weren't considered inferior because they failed to use the materials at hand. Inventions that are put together by robots are no less important or imaginative than those put together by hand. Inventions that are put together in bits and bytes through software that was created at the hand of others are no less inventions than any physical widget.

    Every programmer who has done something that has Not Been Done Before is an inventor. It doesn't matter one iota that the programmer didn't write vi (or Visual Basic if you prefer), and to degrade the newest inventions because they are built on the work of others is to throw all of the nature of invention throughout human history out the window.

    Kickstart

  123. Re:Manefest OR manifest. Learn how to spell .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NOT "spel" before you jump on others.

    At 1st I thought you were joking but the "manefest" convinced me otherwise.

  124. No myth! by Godwin+O'Hitler · · Score: 1

    Lone inventors a myth? Nonesense! What about Stephen Olson?

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    No, your children are not the special ones. Nor are your pets.
  125. The lone inventor come to an end? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How long has it been since there has truly been a "lone" inventor?

    Objects and ideas are not created in a vacuum.

    One of the problems with United States intellectual property law is that it tends to glorify and emphasize the lone creator, the single autonomous author.

  126. Invention: isn't it always singular by someboy · · Score: 1

    I personally think most ideas occur in a singular person's mind. Others around him can instigate it, refine it, criticize it etc. But the formation of an idea seems like an atomic congnitive process.

    Oh, and the thing about big corporations inventing most things is that individuals in these companies come up with most of the ideas many times in isolation. The reasons for multiple names in patent applications has got more to do with social and manegerial influence than anything else. I work for _big company_ and most worth while ideas have been those that people work on by themselves after work, not the assignements their managers hand them. Even my VP says so!

    Hence, I dont buy the thesis that individual inventor is dead.