While is dis-agree on a number of points this post is far from a troll, stupid moderators.
Java is not on the way out, more and more small companies are using it for their in house development. Small companies are where the majority of commercial code gets written. they used COBOL now they're using Java. Of course they've used VB in between but M$ is screwing them so badly they're deciding not to be tied in.
Java is great from an application development point of view. I do not care about pointers, STL etc etc I want to write code that is easy to differentiate between business logic and systems logic. Java allows my colleagues to see what the hell I was trying to do not how I was trying to be clever. Get a decent framework and you never have to worry if that foreign key is going to be deleted or if the help text is going to be displayed at the right time. All I have to worry about is wether I can calculate value given quantity and price.
C#=M$ & Java=Sun I'm pretty sure this is understood. Although, Sun is far more responsive in the development of Java than M$ is about any of it's langugages.
Cars first came with tillers, like on a boat. Think about which way you would push the tiller to turn left?
Boats originaly had tillers but changed to wheels. It was to do with larger boats and the need for mechanical purchase to steer. The original wheels steers the wrong way. That is turing the wheel left caused the vessel to turn right. The rerason was that everybody was used to the tiller!
Lastly, all this horse power and I'm still not able to control my computer by thought alone. Jesus would the compu sci guys get off their asses and hop to it. I've got a world to conqueror and this keyboard is just to slow.
My understanding is that in most applications, including aircraft, racing cars and sailboats it's not so much producing lift from the bernoulli(sp) effect as producing lift from the angle of attack of the wing.
Heretic, were's the spanish inquisition when you need them. Comfy pillow?
/. does have an editorial process, they read, they like, they post. You expect them to actually have a spell check or a grammar check or get their facts right, ha!
Next you'll be asking that Timmy & Mikey grow up or that Taco will be sure what to think about articles or Katz thinks before he writes.
In short/. sucks get used to it, it just has a large readership who happen to dig up most of the stuff I like to read about. Although it's been a bit to much of YRO and not enough tech recently.
I'm pretty sure that editors think they're/. and/. couldn't exist without them. They pay little or no attention to the ideas of their readers and do not even have a discussion about/. The only time they ask for ideas is when the bills are due.
/. is not a community rather a site with decent links.
What fantastic new feature do midrange computers need that Unix does not allow?
I just wish that computers would run one OS, one standard interface to the hardware. I've had to learn PC/DOS, MCP, OS/390, OS/400, OS/2, Windows (3.11->XP) and Unix. I'm sick of learning new wasy to do the same old thing.
It's the same with programming, I'm not a systems guy I develop applications. Languages I've had to use Basic, COBOL, PL/I, Pascal, C, C++, Smalltalk, Java, RPG/II->RPG/ILE. I'm a smalltalk fan but Java looks to be the answer.
In short there is no need for future developers to suffer like I had to. Buy some hardware, load Unix and program in Java.
Of course you have researched the case and deliberated the evidence given by the prosecution/defence? I guess we now have supreme court justices posting on/.
I would vote for 2, hey hang on a moment I meant 3 but there wasn't a 3. Say, you did the Florida ballot didn't you:-)
As for people being sick and twisted, we are, but executions are not a sign of this. If we have executions they should be public executions, media circus and all. Not hidden out of sight so everybody can tell themselves they live in a civillised country.
Stainless steel does corrode, just less than normal steel. There are differing grades of stainless steel for various properties. I'm a sailor and I've seen some grades of SS rust in a matter of weeks.
As for a rear engined car breaking away suddenly in the corner, it's probably the drivers fault, lifting or upsetting the balance of the car.
If a sub loses a bulkhead it means that the hull has failed and that you are either going to get crushed to death, suffocate because the sub will not reach the surface or freeze to death due to the lack of heat.
Below a very shallow depth, 180ft?, you have virtually no chance of surviving the ascent to the surface without the sub. There is no option to bail out. Before the 1950s I don't beleive there was a way top exit the submarine underwater, the pressure means all the hatches could be unlocked and would never open. Nowadays they flood the exit chamber to equalise presuure.
A fire in a sub uses all the oxygen you need to breathe, and there's no windows to let the smoke out. Plus heat will weaken the hull, not good at depth.
The real killer is as the original poster said the lack of time to react, a hull breach at depth will usually finish the sub in seconds. No chance to radio Houston and discuss your options.
I have always thought we rushed into space before we had explored our planet, I don't want to colonise Mars before we colonise the oceans.
/. is unwilling to publicise in anyway Michael's behaviour to the censorware project. The/. staff seem to view it as a transgression that is best forgotten about. I thought it would have made a good ask/., but apparently not:-)
This would be all well and good if it wasn't for the some of the strident comments Michael makes as a/. editor.
As you've probably guessed VNC et al will only give you remote access, not exactly what you are looking for.
For most mundane things I use Yahoo, it gives me email, address, calendar, bookmarks, yellow pages, file space etc etc I can log in from wherever, currently San Francisco, but also the UK etc. Simple and cheap. The best thing is that all my bookmarks are there for me.
There used to be a company called desktop.com which I thought was going great places, until the slimey VCs fucked up and took their money back. This would have been exactly what you wanted.
I'm not hoping to be right or wrong. There a benefits to the client/server model. TCO is not one of them.
Initial purchase price of hardware is trivial it's the support and maintenace that kills companies. Downtime and tech salaries are huge costs.
There servers go missing, not yet but maybe in the future, I don't see it though. But hell I've been wrong before:-) This would require a fast/very fast network, much faster than that needed for terminals. Network storage is hard to distribute. You get nothing for 'free' evrything costs it's all a matter of how much. All the points you make for this point apply in greater detail to a centralised server.
Hell terminals have been around since the sixties. Maybe even before. Just because it was discovered a long time ago does not make it invalid. Power on the desktop is useless without a network.
Mainting user hardware is a plug and unplug solution. The hardware is broken, switch in the new hardware. Keep it generic.
Centralised administration for security/backups etc is far cheaper and more reliable than spreading it out. Also what happens if we need a faster machine, in a distributed environment every PC has to be upgraded in a centralised model only one has to be. Now the cost for the new hardware may be the same, unlikely but maybe, the cost of installation will not be.
Performance will be no better or worse than that of the central server/network, no local storage. Nothing to tune, fiddle or break locally.
The cost of any hardware/software directly affects the bottom line. It matters not how much the PC costs in relation to the users salary.
Dumb terminals have worked for businesses for over thirty years. One of the reasons they work is that PCs are very lighty utilised by most users, a lot of seti cycles are a testament to this. If the machines are centralised then the cycles can be spread between many users.
I think, I covered all of your points, you could attack a centralised solution on a number of points but TCO is not one of them.
This is exactly where I feel Linux should be used. The idea of dumb terminals and a central server has proven to be the most cost effective way for companies to implement computer technology.
It's becoming clear that Intel/AMD etc are going to crush most other general purpose CPUs. Be it with SMP or SMT or both. With the increase in PCI bandwidth coming and the heralded 64bit chips intel will start to take over more and more server machines. Remember in the steel industry people scoffed at mini mills, kodak scoffed at digital cameras etc etc.
In the future most companies will have dumb terminals and a server room with racks of cheap intel boxes. The OS on the server will be fault tolerant to the max, oh I lost a node ahh well only 255 left. Uptimes measured in years. Hang on a sec that sounds like an IBM or SUN mainframe.
What is rapidly becoming apparent is that network speed is now more important than CPU/MEMORY speed.
I'm not a navigator, but I have done noon plots and tri-star plots. The noon shot just means you have to note the time GMT at ime the sun reaches it's highest point. Then you can work out where you are. Well you can if you're really good at detailed calcs, really good at plotting, really good with a sextant and have the GMT.
Personally, I have three different makes of handheld GPS and a draw full of batteries. If the GPS goes down I'll just sail towards the nearest/biggest land mass.
Taco said "I think people overrate them. Several people said that we should follow what google does. But they don't understand that we're very different then google. What keywords do we sell, and to who? It just doesn't make as much sense."
Every story could have words replaced by links e.g. IBM has just sued Sun because of GPL infringement becomes IBM has just sued SUN because of GPL infringement
Another reason/. editors should have to post comments along with the rest us. 'Looks legit', well that's ok then, move along nothing to see here, move along.
How about about/. giving subscribers the ability to get rid of the editors inane comments.
Ah well that's better a good venting always helps the old blood pressure.
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While is dis-agree on a number of points this post is far from a troll, stupid moderators.
Java is not on the way out, more and more small companies are using it for their in house development. Small companies are where the majority of commercial code gets written. they used COBOL now they're using Java. Of course they've used VB in between but M$ is screwing them so badly they're deciding not to be tied in.
Java is great from an application development point of view. I do not care about pointers, STL etc etc I want to write code that is easy to differentiate between business logic and systems logic. Java allows my colleagues to see what the hell I was trying to do not how I was trying to be clever. Get a decent framework and you never have to worry if that foreign key is going to be deleted or if the help text is going to be displayed at the right time. All I have to worry about is wether I can calculate value given quantity and price.
C#=M$ & Java=Sun I'm pretty sure this is understood. Although, Sun is far more responsive in the development of Java than M$ is about any of it's langugages.
It would also help if the artcile was really 5 pages instead of 4?
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'...we'd be steering our cars by reins...'
As a side note.
Cars first came with tillers, like on a boat. Think about which way you would push the tiller to turn left?
Boats originaly had tillers but changed to wheels. It was to do with larger boats and the need for mechanical purchase to steer. The original wheels steers the wrong way. That is turing the wheel left caused the vessel to turn right. The rerason was that everybody was used to the tiller!
Lastly, all this horse power and I'm still not able to control my computer by thought alone. Jesus would the compu sci guys get off their asses and hop to it. I've got a world to conqueror and this keyboard is just to slow.
My understanding is that in most applications, including aircraft, racing cars and sailboats it's not so much producing lift from the bernoulli(sp) effect as producing lift from the angle of attack of the wing.
Heretic, were's the spanish inquisition when you need them. Comfy pillow?
/. sucks get used to it, it just has a large readership who happen to dig up most of the stuff I like to read about. Although it's been a bit to much of YRO and not enough tech recently.
/. and /. couldn't exist without them. They pay little or no attention to the ideas of their readers and do not even have a discussion about /. The only time they ask for ideas is when the bills are due.
/. does have an editorial process, they read, they like, they post. You expect them to actually have a spell check or a grammar check or get their facts right, ha!
Next you'll be asking that Timmy & Mikey grow up or that Taco will be sure what to think about articles or Katz thinks before he writes.
In short
I'm pretty sure that editors think they're
/. is not a community rather a site with decent links.
I was so bummed. It's true that Cray is a shadow of it's former self :-( Like SGI et al Are there no engineering companies left?
What fantastic new feature do midrange computers need that Unix does not allow?
I just wish that computers would run one OS, one standard interface to the hardware. I've had to learn PC/DOS, MCP, OS/390, OS/400, OS/2, Windows (3.11->XP) and Unix. I'm sick of learning new wasy to do the same old thing.
It's the same with programming, I'm not a systems guy I develop applications. Languages I've had to use Basic, COBOL, PL/I, Pascal, C, C++, Smalltalk, Java, RPG/II->RPG/ILE. I'm a smalltalk fan but Java looks to be the answer.
In short there is no need for future developers to suffer like I had to. Buy some hardware, load Unix and program in Java.
Of course you have researched the case and deliberated the evidence given by the prosecution/defence? I guess we now have supreme court justices posting on /.
I would vote for 2, hey hang on a moment I meant 3 but there wasn't a 3. Say, you did the Florida ballot didn't you :-)
As for people being sick and twisted, we are, but executions are not a sign of this. If we have executions they should be public executions, media circus and all. Not hidden out of sight so everybody can tell themselves they live in a civillised country.
Stainless steel does corrode, just less than normal steel. There are differing grades of stainless steel for various properties. I'm a sailor and I've seen some grades of SS rust in a matter of weeks.
As for a rear engined car breaking away suddenly in the corner, it's probably the drivers fault, lifting or upsetting the balance of the car.
Going deep is far more dangerous than going high.
If a sub loses a bulkhead it means that the hull has failed and that you are either going to get crushed to death, suffocate because the sub will not reach the surface or freeze to death due to the lack of heat.
Below a very shallow depth, 180ft?, you have virtually no chance of surviving the ascent to the surface without the sub. There is no option to bail out. Before the 1950s I don't beleive there was a way top exit the submarine underwater, the pressure means all the hatches could be unlocked and would never open. Nowadays they flood the exit chamber to equalise presuure.
A fire in a sub uses all the oxygen you need to breathe, and there's no windows to let the smoke out. Plus heat will weaken the hull, not good at depth.
The real killer is as the original poster said the lack of time to react, a hull breach at depth will usually finish the sub in seconds. No chance to radio Houston and discuss your options.
I have always thought we rushed into space before we had explored our planet, I don't want to colonise Mars before we colonise the oceans.
I liked the idea of flying beneath the waves, have a bouyant craft that is driven down. http://www.deepflight.com/
Of course if the hull goes your still dead, but it removes the need for tanks to trim bouancy.
_IMHO_
/. staff seem to view it as a transgression that is best forgotten about. I thought it would have made a good ask /., but apparently not :-)
/. editor.
/. is unwilling to publicise in anyway Michael's behaviour to the censorware project. The
This would be all well and good if it wasn't for the some of the strident comments Michael makes as a
I've used a couple of chording keyboards, if your doing mostly alpha typing then their pretty cool.
I used to have left handed one and a logitech trackball. Pretty neat not having to move my arms to type and click.
The down side is that with modern kbs you need to chord well over 100 different keys.
http://www.datahand.com/flashsite/home.html
:-)
At $1300 I've never used one, but it sure looks pretty
As you've probably guessed VNC et al will only give you remote access, not exactly what you are looking for.
For most mundane things I use Yahoo, it gives me email, address, calendar, bookmarks, yellow pages, file space etc etc I can log in from wherever, currently San Francisco, but also the UK etc. Simple and cheap. The best thing is that all my bookmarks are there for me.
There used to be a company called desktop.com which I thought was going great places, until the slimey VCs fucked up and took their money back. This would have been exactly what you wanted.
You could take a look at freedesk, Magical Desk.
When you find what you like prehaps you could do a review?
I'm not hoping to be right or wrong. There a benefits to the client/server model. TCO is not one of them.
:-) This would require a fast/very fast network, much faster than that needed for terminals. Network storage is hard to distribute. You get nothing for 'free' evrything costs it's all a matter of how much. All the points you make for this point apply in greater detail to a centralised server.
Initial purchase price of hardware is trivial it's the support and maintenace that kills companies. Downtime and tech salaries are huge costs.
There servers go missing, not yet but maybe in the future, I don't see it though. But hell I've been wrong before
Hell terminals have been around since the sixties. Maybe even before. Just because it was discovered a long time ago does not make it invalid. Power on the desktop is useless without a network.
Mainting user hardware is a plug and unplug solution. The hardware is broken, switch in the new hardware. Keep it generic.
Centralised administration for security/backups etc is far cheaper and more reliable than spreading it out. Also what happens if we need a faster machine, in a distributed environment every PC has to be upgraded in a centralised model only one has to be. Now the cost for the new hardware may be the same, unlikely but maybe, the cost of installation will not be.
Performance will be no better or worse than that of the central server/network, no local storage. Nothing to tune, fiddle or break locally.
The cost of any hardware/software directly affects the bottom line. It matters not how much the PC costs in relation to the users salary.
Dumb terminals have worked for businesses for over thirty years. One of the reasons they work is that PCs are very lighty utilised by most users, a lot of seti cycles are a testament to this. If the machines are centralised then the cycles can be spread between many users.
I think, I covered all of your points, you could attack a centralised solution on a number of points but TCO is not one of them.
This is exactly where I feel Linux should be used. The idea of dumb terminals and a central server has proven to be the most cost effective way for companies to implement computer technology.
It's becoming clear that Intel/AMD etc are going to crush most other general purpose CPUs. Be it with SMP or SMT or both. With the increase in PCI bandwidth coming and the heralded 64bit chips intel will start to take over more and more server machines. Remember in the steel industry people scoffed at mini mills, kodak scoffed at digital cameras etc etc.
In the future most companies will have dumb terminals and a server room with racks of cheap intel boxes. The OS on the server will be fault tolerant to the max, oh I lost a node ahh well only 255 left. Uptimes measured in years. Hang on a sec that sounds like an IBM or SUN mainframe.
What is rapidly becoming apparent is that network speed is now more important than CPU/MEMORY speed.
Let me get this straight, you work on a system that is designed to kill yet you worry about the copyright law?
Two clocks?
I'm not a navigator, but I have done noon plots and tri-star plots. The noon shot just means you have to note the time GMT at ime the sun reaches it's highest point. Then you can work out where you are. Well you can if you're really good at detailed calcs, really good at plotting, really good with a sextant and have the GMT.
Personally, I have three different makes of handheld GPS and a draw full of batteries. If the GPS goes down I'll just sail towards the nearest/biggest land mass.
Given the complete lack of any info coming out of Afghanistan, how do you know what is being done?
Taco said "I think people overrate them. Several people said that we should follow what google does. But they don't understand that we're very different then google. What keywords do we sell, and to who? It just doesn't make as much sense."
Every story could have words replaced by links e.g. IBM has just sued Sun because of GPL infringement becomes IBM has just sued SUN because of GPL infringement
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Another reason /. editors should have to post comments along with the rest us. 'Looks legit', well that's ok then, move along nothing to see here, move along.
/. giving subscribers the ability to get rid of the editors inane comments.
How about about
Ah well that's better a good venting always helps the old blood pressure.
That pales into insignificance compared to the Bush tie up.