Seeing this type of news on a UFO centric site certainly raises the crap-o-meter, but if in any doubt go and ask real astronomers over at http://www.badastronomy.com
Its a site run be a real astronomer with real scientists there ready and willing to answer questions.
Well from some postings to the ac thread they did try, unfortuantly some third parties failed to deliver. One case I am thinking of would be Borland who at the time (we're talking 2 or 3 years ago) who said a C++ enabledversion would be soon available for Linux.
Hopefully next time around they will get it right:).
Yes and despite many mistakes I hope Bioware do learn from them, so that there original idea of one CD to install on all major platforms comes to pass.
Waiting this long on this game has done harm. Oh and we still need the toolset somehow.
Hope they remain what they are, but in a better financial shape.
Even though I am not a direct customer of theirs (just the wrong flavour for me) as anyone else using Linux you will be an indirect customer. Of course same goes for other distro's.
This is what the US needs:). Now we need to get some competition going against ESA and China. Or perhaps co-operation.
Actually if Russia, ESA and Nasa through there collective mights together it could prove worthwhile and improve relations. Especially as it looks as though we're going to war against Iraq...Maybe they could test it by sending Saddam out first? Have it fly by Mars, then head back to the Sun. Last thing we'd need is for Saddam to land on some highly advanced planet that hasn't had war in thousands of years, where they bring him back to life...Ok I know this is Sci Fi:).
"RedHat are popular in the states, and are "biased" towards Gnome, that is they have more Gnome hackers with experience than KDE hackers. As such, their distro focusses on Gnome more than KDE. SuSE is similar but opposite, they focus more on KDE than Gnome and afaik don't have any Gnome hackers on the team."
SuSE have at least one Gnome hacker on the team, but they have certainly been more focused on KDE. For instance Waldo Bastion who I think still leads KDE development is a SuSE employee.
"Today the desktops are basically equal, although they are stronger in different areas. So, GNOME has better usability IMHO, but KDE has more features. I should think theKompany likes KDE/Qt as a developer platform more because Qt is commercially supported, has professional docs and is more cross platform, so (if they pay) they can sell their apps on Windows and MacOS as well. Of course he has hackers with KDE/Qt experience which also tips him. On the other hand, GTK is more Linux specific, but has some cooler features. Some people will tell you that GTK is harder to program for, but in reality that's not the case, if C++ is your thing then both Qt and GTKmm are excellent"
I liked to use both desktops:). You can ony theme so much, even though Linux desktops are probably the most themeable. Although right now I have settled on KDE as I prefer using the Ximian desktop (whats taking them so long?). From what Shawn has mentioned on the kapital mailing list he seems to really like QT, not just for support but because of its environment.
1. MSFT still haven't shipped after that deadline, what will *really* happen.
2. Its so broken people will hate Java and then MS comes back to court and states that it had to remove Java as it did not jive with its components, so was removed in the best interests of the company.
All well and fine, but they did file bankruptcy on the 13 (check the articles again), which is a day after the story broke. One of two things is happening imho:
1. They are lying, which brings up a whole slew of bad possibilities.
2. Duval had no idea that they had already submitted bankruptcy.
Oh and also your post assumes that chapter 11 in France (bankruptcy protection) is the same as the US. Dangerous thinking, should never assume anything. Todays message is very ambiguous, chapter 11 like protection? What does that mean in France? For all we know they maybe selling out and moving to Southern France...
StarTux PS I hope that I am wrong, but no way to prove otherwise. Only thing to do is wait and see.
"...Linux desktops are only going to appeal to consumers to the low end. Since if you're paying $500 for a computer it's no big deal to tack on an extra $50 dollars for a Windows license. But at $200 that extra $50 seems like a lot, especally with the lower profit on cheap hardware, the vender won't want to eat the cost of the OS himself. Low end computers can't run games like this, they just don't have the 3D hardware. If linux is going to see more games besides a few oddballs (like these two) and the occasional blockbuster (UT2003) than it'll have to make inroads into the general desktop market. Or else much cheaper 3D hardware that has linux support. "
Well thats BS:).
"Selling games that were released on Windows a year or two ago is not a good buisness model; customers with dual boot machines can often get your game for windows for $10-$20 in the bargin bin."
Nor is your suggestion as it costs a great deal of money to port to only about 1% of the desktop population. Now if enough people support the games that are currently coming out you will see more top titles, and hopefully eventually more simulaneous releases.
"And how many non geeks out there have a linux box that can run UT2003 (or something like it) and are running linux only?"
Well about 40% actually for server.
StarTux
http://linuxgames.com/news/feedback.php?identife rI D=6117&action=flatview
Because of the reason you have to pay for Xbox Live and that you will be charged automatically each year, for a price that has not even been decided. Oh and you need to cancel your live! enrollment before they renew it, or you'll be charged.
I got a PS2:). $40 for network adapter and now I am free to go on the 'net with it and pick and choose manufacturers without worrying about being charged extra by a monopoly. Is it true also that with the xbox you need to buy something extra just to be able to play DVD's?
Anyway, even with a PS2 I still buy and play games on my computer system.
Never had those issues, even after installing the patches. Actually its been really great so far, so are you sure all your issues were to do with Linux? Sounds like you did something else (those patches install just like the game itself...).
I do agree that having to install RTCW under Wine first was a PITA.
One way around that would have been to have purchased the game from Tuxgames, they include their own installer. It is also a seperate purchase if you're so inclined.
Yes, plenty of great games out there that you may not have heard about. I didn't:).
This is just really a start to LGP, if they make enough income and become more widely known expect more games.
Think it this way too...We only really here about big block buster movies, not so much about independent, yet many great movies or films have come out of independent studio's.
Of course I am waiting for some games that are original to come out on Linux first:). Other than Open Source ones I don't see this happening for awhile yet.
I know many people will bemoan the fact that they cannot get some brand new highly known game to run on Linux. The reason why is simple: Economics.
OTH, having LGP port lesser known games has opened up a whole new world to games I would never have known about, because they don't have the publisher to spam all the well known gaming magazines with reviews etc. Also, not having the huge publisher gives the smaller developer a chance to release the game they want:). And also lets the customer actually have more of a voice...
I'll be getting these games for sure, a little more expensive than the Windows versions, but thats a small price to pay in terms of having to run on an OS I don't like to use.
"So, this is a overly bad idea, and there are a thousand ways they could have done this better, while not causing problems for non-Microsoft products."
Thats your answer, not only do they make it seem that the upgrade was worth it, but those sites not using IIS *could* be deluged by people claiming *your* site is slow. Well thats what I think they may have hoped.
Yep Mac notebooks, thats where my Mac purchase would go. Currently looking for a laptop and an iBook is a serious consideration, although I don't like the way the display wobbles...
You're right, but their mindset is wrong (along with quite a few others trolling here...Innocently in some cases), its quite simple:
When you want software for your Windows (and lesser extent Mac) computer you go to a large physical store, like CompUSA. With Linux, if what you want isn't included you go online. The Internet is your mall:).
Having to drive through crappy traffic just to get overpriced software really doesn't strike me as a good thing. But, right now that is what a lot of users are used to.
They don't see it in its own aisle at CompUSA and other places. That could be one reason.
Another, TV ad's...Sure we had those IBM ad's, but nothing like Dell's or Microsoft's with the Win XP ad's.
I'm hoping that India will prove its worth doing as the big names have just begun selling desktops with Linux. In doing so it may have shown that Silicon Valley/US has lost its technological edge. Why is another good question...Might be a legalislation and pricing issue. Bay Area is now so expensive to live in...
Slashdot Mirror
What was your biggest pleasant surprise of the show, if any
Conversly, what was your biggest let down of the shown, if any.
StarTux
Can see this adding to their conspiracy theories:
"The US Govt hit us with a massive denial of service attack after we broke this story, which means they are trying to hide something".
StarTux
Seeing this type of news on a UFO centric site certainly raises the crap-o-meter, but if in any doubt go and ask real astronomers over at http://www.badastronomy.com
Its a site run be a real astronomer with real scientists there ready and willing to answer questions.
StarTux
Yes it is messy, but kind of like RTCW (although Tuxgames made that far easier) where you needed to get the files from the CD via other means.
I hope Bioware learn as its too late as the discs were pressed quite some time ago.
Poorly though out? Yes. Lets hope they learn and don't repeat the same mistakes for their next game.
StarTux
Well from some postings to the ac thread they did try, unfortuantly some third parties failed to deliver. One case I am thinking of would be Borland who at the time (we're talking 2 or 3 years ago) who said a C++ enabledversion would be soon available for Linux.
:).
Hopefully next time around they will get it right
StarTux
Yes and despite many mistakes I hope Bioware do learn from them, so that there original idea of one CD to install on all major platforms comes to pass.
Waiting this long on this game has done harm. Oh and we still need the toolset somehow.
StarTux
Hope they remain what they are, but in a better financial shape.
Even though I am not a direct customer of theirs (just the wrong flavour for me) as anyone else using Linux you will be an indirect customer. Of course same goes for other distro's.
StarTux
Cool, thanks for setting aside my fears.
Wow, Mars by 2010?
:). Now we need to get some competition going against ESA and China. Or perhaps co-operation.
:).
This is what the US needs
Actually if Russia, ESA and Nasa through there collective mights together it could prove worthwhile and improve relations. Especially as it looks as though we're going to war against Iraq...Maybe they could test it by sending Saddam out first? Have it fly by Mars, then head back to the Sun. Last thing we'd need is for Saddam to land on some highly advanced planet that hasn't had war in thousands of years, where they bring him back to life...Ok I know this is Sci Fi
StarTux
Yeah perhaps, but space is very dark and having the astronaughts glow in the dark will help track them.
"RedHat are popular in the states, and are "biased" towards Gnome, that is they have more Gnome hackers with experience than KDE hackers. As such, their distro focusses on Gnome more than KDE. SuSE is similar but opposite, they focus more on KDE than Gnome and afaik don't have any Gnome hackers on the team."
:). You can ony theme so much, even though Linux desktops are probably the most themeable. Although right now I have settled on KDE as I prefer using the Ximian desktop (whats taking them so long?). From what Shawn has mentioned on the kapital mailing list he seems to really like QT, not just for support but because of its environment.
SuSE have at least one Gnome hacker on the team, but they have certainly been more focused on KDE. For instance Waldo Bastion who I think still leads KDE development is a SuSE employee.
"Today the desktops are basically equal, although they are stronger in different areas. So, GNOME has better usability IMHO, but KDE has more features. I should think theKompany likes KDE/Qt as a developer platform more because Qt is commercially supported, has professional docs and is more cross platform, so (if they pay) they can sell their apps on Windows and MacOS as well. Of course he has hackers with KDE/Qt experience which also tips him. On the other hand, GTK is more Linux specific, but has some cooler features. Some people will tell you that GTK is harder to program for, but in reality that's not the case, if C++ is your thing then both Qt and GTKmm are excellent"
I liked to use both desktops
How the hell is this flamebait?
Asking some good questions and got flamebaited by thoughtless id10t's.
StarTux
So what happens if this happens:
1. MSFT still haven't shipped after that deadline, what will *really* happen.
2. Its so broken people will hate Java and then MS comes back to court and states that it had to remove Java as it did not jive with its components, so was removed in the best interests of the company.
StarTux
All well and fine, but they did file bankruptcy on the 13 (check the articles again), which is a day after the story broke. One of two things is happening imho:
1. They are lying, which brings up a whole slew of bad possibilities.
2. Duval had no idea that they had already submitted bankruptcy.
Oh and also your post assumes that chapter 11 in France (bankruptcy protection) is the same as the US. Dangerous thinking, should never assume anything. Todays message is very ambiguous, chapter 11 like protection? What does that mean in France? For all we know they maybe selling out and moving to Southern France...
StarTux
PS I hope that I am wrong, but no way to prove otherwise. Only thing to do is wait and see.
" ...Linux desktops are only going to appeal to consumers to the low end. Since if you're paying $500 for a computer it's no big deal to tack on an extra $50 dollars for a Windows license. But at $200 that extra $50 seems like a lot, especally with the lower profit on cheap hardware, the vender won't want to eat the cost of the OS himself.
:).
e rI D=6117&action=flatview
Low end computers can't run games like this, they just don't have the 3D hardware. If linux is going to see more games besides a few oddballs (like these two) and the occasional blockbuster (UT2003) than it'll have to make inroads into the general desktop market. Or else much cheaper 3D hardware that has linux support. "
Well thats BS
"Selling games that were released on Windows a year or two ago is not a good buisness model; customers with dual boot machines can often get your game for windows for $10-$20 in the bargin bin."
Nor is your suggestion as it costs a great deal of money to port to only about 1% of the desktop population. Now if enough people support the games that are currently coming out you will see more top titles, and hopefully eventually more simulaneous releases.
"And how many non geeks out there have a linux box that can run UT2003 (or something like it) and are running linux only?"
Well about 40% actually for server.
StarTux
http://linuxgames.com/news/feedback.php?identif
Screw the Xbox, why?
:). $40 for network adapter and now I am free to go on the 'net with it and pick and choose manufacturers without worrying about being charged extra by a monopoly. Is it true also that with the xbox you need to buy something extra just to be able to play DVD's?
Because of the reason you have to pay for Xbox Live and that you will be charged automatically each year, for a price that has not even been decided. Oh and you need to cancel your live! enrollment before they renew it, or you'll be charged.
I got a PS2
Anyway, even with a PS2 I still buy and play games on my computer system.
StarTux
Never had those issues, even after installing the patches. Actually its been really great so far, so are you sure all your issues were to do with Linux? Sounds like you did something else (those patches install just like the game itself...).
I do agree that having to install RTCW under Wine first was a PITA.
One way around that would have been to have purchased the game from Tuxgames, they include their own installer. It is also a seperate purchase if you're so inclined.
Yes, plenty of great games out there that you may not have heard about. I didn't :).
:). Other than Open Source ones I don't see this happening for awhile yet.
This is just really a start to LGP, if they make enough income and become more widely known expect more games.
Think it this way too...We only really here about big block buster movies, not so much about independent, yet many great movies or films have come out of independent studio's.
Of course I am waiting for some games that are original to come out on Linux first
StarTux
I know many people will bemoan the fact that they cannot get some brand new highly known game to run on Linux. The reason why is simple: Economics.
:). And also lets the customer actually have more of a voice...
OTH, having LGP port lesser known games has opened up a whole new world to games I would never have known about, because they don't have the publisher to spam all the well known gaming magazines with reviews etc. Also, not having the huge publisher gives the smaller developer a chance to release the game they want
I'll be getting these games for sure, a little more expensive than the Windows versions, but thats a small price to pay in terms of having to run on an OS I don't like to use.
StarTux
Better not use it...Why?
Because of MSFT's history of changing protocols etc. This could be an attempt at "lock in".
StarTux
"So, this is a overly bad idea, and there are a thousand ways they could have done this better, while not causing problems for non-Microsoft products."
Thats your answer, not only do they make it seem that the upgrade was worth it, but those sites not using IIS *could* be deluged by people claiming *your* site is slow. Well thats what I think they may have hoped.
StarTux
What RFC means to MSFT:
Rules For Cowards.
Maybe this is what they mean by innovation? We all what they really mean by innovation:
"Screw the Open Standards, we will create our own Standard, but make it secret!".
Yep Mac notebooks, thats where my Mac purchase would go. Currently looking for a laptop and an iBook is a serious consideration, although I don't like the way the display wobbles...
StarTux
You're right, but their mindset is wrong (along with quite a few others trolling here...Innocently in some cases), its quite simple:
:).
When you want software for your Windows (and lesser extent Mac) computer you go to a large physical store, like CompUSA. With Linux, if what you want isn't included you go online. The Internet is your mall
Having to drive through crappy traffic just to get overpriced software really doesn't strike me as a good thing. But, right now that is what a lot of users are used to.
They don't see it in its own aisle at CompUSA and other places. That could be one reason.
Another, TV ad's...Sure we had those IBM ad's, but nothing like Dell's or Microsoft's with the Win XP ad's.
I'm hoping that India will prove its worth doing as the big names have just begun selling desktops with Linux. In doing so it may have shown that Silicon Valley/US has lost its technological edge. Why is another good question...Might be a legalislation and pricing issue. Bay Area is now so expensive to live in...