Get real. Web applications are horrid compared to native applications. You think shit like yahoo mail compares to Thunderbird or Outlook? lol... you must love banner ads.
Most people can't tell the difference between Outlook, Thunderbird, or Horde. People learn a particular interface (Outlook, Word, etc.) instead of a style of interfaces (Office, email clients, browser, etc.) As long as the application (web-based or native) does what the user needs, they really don't care how it is done. I asked a Hotmail user why they didn't switch to Gmail (after offering an invitation). The response? "Hotmail works". I didn't even try to argue.
Also, you need to remember the 80/20 rule. 80% of users use only 20% of features. That 80% are described by the above paragraph, and thus a stripped down web version of an application containing 20% of the features of it's big brother would satisfy the needs of roughly 80% of the users (assuming all users use the same 20% of features - which is not a valid assumption, but it gives you an idea nonetheless).
Would an online replacement of OOo Writer work for me? Maybe... probably not. Would it work for my Mom? Damn straight it would.
Wait... are you telling me that Wal-mart entered a market and wasn't able to successfully drive everyone else out by lowering prices below cost then gouge once there were no competitors left?
For most people, almost all work can be done on a internet terminal. Although I prefer Gmail, Yahoo! mail has a few nice features that Google has yet to offer including calendar tools (events, tasks, birthdays) and a notepad (though you could use the drafts feature and spell check for a "notepad"). Beyond that, there are PHP applciations such as Horde that offer similar and even extended functionality.
Even special applications are making thier way to the web - think of doing your taxes online, or even diagnosing health problems. You can share pictures online, and do a further multitude of tasks.
There was even a push several years ago (6 maybe?) to put the desktop paradigm onto the web through DHTML. The idea never took off, but the portal functionality has always continued to develop.
Now if only I could open a window to Slashdot within my web browser!
It doesn't need to say anything. It's funny, people remember it - that's it. As long as they remember "Firefox" and not "guy screaming", the campaign does its job.
Now if they could only make the bundled apps (Pocket Whatever) actually useful. Thus far, I have had to purchase replacements for the crap versions. Of course, I'm still waiting on Minimo.
Now if they could only make the bundled apps (Pocket Whatever) actually useful. Thus far, I have had to purchase replacements for the crap versions. Of course, I'm still waiting on Minimo.
Would you directly compare a race car with a minivan? They're both automobiles. They both operate in the same manner and servce a similar purpose (to transport), yet you wouldn't compare them directly. They are made by different companies and serve different purposes.
Do you care how many people your race car seats or how much cargo room it has? Problably not.
My original comment was not fully clear. I didn't mean specifically Mac OS X, but I mean, *whatever the current operating system produced by Apple Computers is at the time of release of Longhorn*.
Besides, you can't directly compare releases of Windows and Mac OS either by revision number or date. They're completely different beasts and are therefore subject to different validation.
For once, I think Microsoft did things right by focusing on usability and not on pretty graphics to make geeks go "weeeeeee". Why is it that they can do no right? If it's too pretty, geeks complain. If it's not pretty enough, geeks complain. I would much prefer to have a solid bakend in alpha, and worry about the pretty stuff later. Do you pick the color of paint before the foundation of your house has been laid? If so, you might just have your priorityies misaligned.
Furthermore, if you watch videos of the beta (which aare actuall of build 5060, no 5048), you will see Longhorn with the new effects enbaled, which is not the case by default on installation. I think it looks damn sexy and will give Mac OS X users a run for thier money.
I'm the world's biggest fan of Microsoft. To me, Microsoft Excel is the best application ever written, and Microsoft C#/.NET is the best programming language and operating environment ever developed.
Oh yeah, that sounds like an objective web page. How much more stable do you need? I only rarely experience problems with firefox, and those typically are attributed to crappy plugin implementations (such as Adobe's PDF Reader - which I've since stopped using, the resource hog it is).
Further, regarding the il rendering of slashdot, maybe if the site code maintainers would update the template to something that actually validates, everything would Just Work. As of now, Slashdot doesn't even validate at HTML 3.2. It includes no character encoding information and the SGML parser on W3 comes up with 114 errors. Maybe they could follow some advice and Retool Slashdot with web standards.
i'm not sure what this is, but i would consider it a godsend if the mozilla team decided to "accidentally" break support for animated gifs, instead only showing the first frame.
i don't need a 900K photo slideshow in gif on every message board. no thanks
besides the incorrect figure of 1000 megabytes (it's currently more than 2GB), the writer marked the units in megabits (Mb) instead of the correct megabytes (MB)
I'm happy just not having big clunky wires. Most PATA desvices did away with Master/Slave settings with the introduction of Cable Select. Since ATA devices can never really max out the theoretical bandwith of the cables, speed becomes a moot point. For now, I like the smaller cables and the fact that my hard drives no longer fight with my optical drives for space on limited cables. SATA II be damned, I'm happy with it's vanilla father.
despite the paranoia that will undoubtably be associated with this, i much like the ability to go back and find not only a search result set, but also the particular link i clicked. it makes re-discovering information much easier
...why is Inkscape there? How many Ubuntu users are also vector graphics artists?
Not I, but I do, on occasion, have the need to create graphics for projects. Sometimes it would be beneficial to create a vector graphic, and until now, I didn't know that Inkscape even existed. Now I do, and now I know I can install it on my Hoary laptop. Thanks.
if you have one and install the other, will both options (kde & gnome) be available as sessions, or are they mutually exclusive [in the case of ubuntu]?
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Get real. Web applications are horrid compared to native applications. You think shit like yahoo mail compares to Thunderbird or Outlook? lol... you must love banner ads.
Most people can't tell the difference between Outlook, Thunderbird, or Horde. People learn a particular interface (Outlook, Word, etc.) instead of a style of interfaces (Office, email clients, browser, etc.) As long as the application (web-based or native) does what the user needs, they really don't care how it is done. I asked a Hotmail user why they didn't switch to Gmail (after offering an invitation). The response? "Hotmail works". I didn't even try to argue.
Also, you need to remember the 80/20 rule. 80% of users use only 20% of features. That 80% are described by the above paragraph, and thus a stripped down web version of an application containing 20% of the features of it's big brother would satisfy the needs of roughly 80% of the users (assuming all users use the same 20% of features - which is not a valid assumption, but it gives you an idea nonetheless).
Would an online replacement of OOo Writer work for me? Maybe... probably not. Would it work for my Mom? Damn straight it would.
Before: "Sure, we can't vote, but we get military protection - what a sweet deal!"
After: "Oh shit! Netflix doesn't deliver to Puerto Rico"
I feel that fate has run it's course... what sweet justice.
Wait... are you telling me that Wal-mart entered a market and wasn't able to successfully drive everyone else out by lowering prices below cost then gouge once there were no competitors left?
Someone tell Bill Quinn, author of How Wal-Mart is Destroying America and The World and What You Can Do About It
It's not so much that they are stipping down Windows as they are turning Eiger into a thin-client platform.
Hoorah for marketing!
Want thin computing? The future is here.
For most people, almost all work can be done on a internet terminal. Although I prefer Gmail, Yahoo! mail has a few nice features that Google has yet to offer including calendar tools (events, tasks, birthdays) and a notepad (though you could use the drafts feature and spell check for a "notepad"). Beyond that, there are PHP applciations such as Horde that offer similar and even extended functionality.
Even special applications are making thier way to the web - think of doing your taxes online, or even diagnosing health problems. You can share pictures online, and do a further multitude of tasks.
There was even a push several years ago (6 maybe?) to put the desktop paradigm onto the web through DHTML. The idea never took off, but the portal functionality has always continued to develop.
Now if only I could open a window to Slashdot within my web browser!
It doesn't need to say anything. It's funny, people remember it - that's it. As long as they remember "Firefox" and not "guy screaming", the campaign does its job.
wait... did they just create an advisory based on changelog? didn't this happen with firefox not long ago?
yes... yes it is
So I guess it answers that question: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=148791&cid=124 70295
Now if they could only make the bundled apps (Pocket Whatever) actually useful. Thus far, I have had to purchase replacements for the crap versions. Of course, I'm still waiting on Minimo.
Now if they could only make the bundled apps (Pocket Whatever) actually useful. Thus far, I have had to purchase replacements for the crap versions. Of course, I'm still waiting on Minimo.
Where's plausible deniability when I need it?
Would you directly compare a race car with a minivan? They're both automobiles. They both operate in the same manner and servce a similar purpose (to transport), yet you wouldn't compare them directly. They are made by different companies and serve different purposes.
Do you care how many people your race car seats or how much cargo room it has? Problably not.
My original comment was not fully clear. I didn't mean specifically Mac OS X, but I mean, *whatever the current operating system produced by Apple Computers is at the time of release of Longhorn*.
Besides, you can't directly compare releases of Windows and Mac OS either by revision number or date. They're completely different beasts and are therefore subject to different validation.
For once, I think Microsoft did things right by focusing on usability and not on pretty graphics to make geeks go "weeeeeee". Why is it that they can do no right? If it's too pretty, geeks complain. If it's not pretty enough, geeks complain. I would much prefer to have a solid bakend in alpha, and worry about the pretty stuff later. Do you pick the color of paint before the foundation of your house has been laid? If so, you might just have your priorityies misaligned.
Furthermore, if you watch videos of the beta (which aare actuall of build 5060, no 5048), you will see Longhorn with the new effects enbaled, which is not the case by default on installation. I think it looks damn sexy and will give Mac OS X users a run for thier money.
Do your homework before you post.
I'm the world's biggest fan of Microsoft. To me, Microsoft Excel is the best application ever written, and Microsoft C#/.NET is the best programming language and operating environment ever developed.
Oh yeah, that sounds like an objective web page. How much more stable do you need? I only rarely experience problems with firefox, and those typically are attributed to crappy plugin implementations (such as Adobe's PDF Reader - which I've since stopped using, the resource hog it is).
Further, regarding the il rendering of slashdot, maybe if the site code maintainers would update the template to something that actually validates, everything would Just Work. As of now, Slashdot doesn't even validate at HTML 3.2. It includes no character encoding information and the SGML parser on W3 comes up with 114 errors. Maybe they could follow some advice and Retool Slashdot with web standards.
i'm not sure what this is, but i would consider it a godsend if the mozilla team decided to "accidentally" break support for animated gifs, instead only showing the first frame.
i don't need a 900K photo slideshow in gif on every message board. no thanks
Skype doesn't face the compitition Firefox does - there's not vendor installing a similar application with every copy of the OS
...it is the same way that a baby's random babbling eventually becomes the proficient speech of adults.
Proficient speech? Have you heard the way people talk? Sometimes I'm surprised they can dress themselves in the morning.
besides the incorrect figure of 1000 megabytes (it's currently more than 2GB), the writer marked the units in megabits (Mb) instead of the correct megabytes (MB)
I'm happy just not having big clunky wires. Most PATA desvices did away with Master/Slave settings with the introduction of Cable Select. Since ATA devices can never really max out the theoretical bandwith of the cables, speed becomes a moot point. For now, I like the smaller cables and the fact that my hard drives no longer fight with my optical drives for space on limited cables. SATA II be damned, I'm happy with it's vanilla father.
despite the paranoia that will undoubtably be associated with this, i much like the ability to go back and find not only a search result set, but also the particular link i clicked. it makes re-discovering information much easier
:(
note to self: no more porn searches
You want to sue people over the use of peer-to-peer applications, but at the same time monopolize on it's popularity?
Until I can legally download & burn a movie cheaper than going to blockbuster and doing the same, forget it.
...why is Inkscape there? How many Ubuntu users are also vector graphics artists?
Not I, but I do, on occasion, have the need to create graphics for projects. Sometimes it would be beneficial to create a vector graphic, and until now, I didn't know that Inkscape even existed. Now I do, and now I know I can install it on my Hoary laptop. Thanks.
if you have one and install the other, will both options (kde & gnome) be available as sessions, or are they mutually exclusive [in the case of ubuntu]?
I think the real question here is, are all of these features supported under one table type?
MySQL has Fulltext search and relational contraints, but not both at the same time becuase of the different table types.
Unless the MySQL team can get all these features together in MyISAM, don't expect a big uptake.