Yes, as Mandriva pays attention to both KDE and Gnome. Thus, Gnome applications don't look extremely alien in KDE. And KDE apps do not look just from another planet in KDE.
Perl works great, although it is not the fastest language around. But then, Perl+GTK integration looks nice and works well. If you talk about unused disk space, what could it be, 20MB? Come on, now the smallest disks have 40GB
Mandriva balances KDE and Gnome support, although KDE is "selected" as the default desktop. Of course you can aways click "Gnome" and unclick "KDE" in the install.
Furthermost, most of Mandriva users use KDE. KDE presents and useable, rich, integrated, fun and "native QT aplication"-full environment.
If you like KDE, please give Mandriva a testdrive.
Mandriva is a very good distro for Desktop usage. Mandriva does favour KDE, although Gnome is inside the distro full force. Looks like they try to keep a balance, although the default desktop is KDE.
I use Mandriva as my desktop and I couldn't be happier.
KDE is the "default GUI" for a basic install, although Mandriva also comes with Gnome, IceWM and others.
I use Mandriva/Mandrake since it has always provided such a great support for KDE, "everything just works" approach for hardware, easy system administration (both GUI or command-line) and urpmi, the best package manager for rpm. As good as "apt-get".
Everybody seems so "Ubuntu" centric today, singing praise to Ubuntu's "new stuff"... when all that "new stuff" has been in Mandrake/mandriva since version 8.0 (and we've had 8.1, 8.2, 9.0, 9.1, 9.2, 10.0, 10.1, 10.2 and now 2006.0; one release every 6 months). So, you see, all that "new" stuff is "old news" for the Mandrake crowd.
And then, KDE is an almost alien part of Ubuntu (Kubuntu)
Ubuntu is all hype.
Anyway, back to my boring Mandriva (yes, boring as all works, and all has been working for so long...)
I use digiKam (KDE app) in Linux, and it works great. In fact, it has worked great for the last 2 years. Gnome also has a ptoho software, although it is a fairly newcomer to stable apps.
IMHO it is because Debian users, so used to a last-century distribution , are now excited to see a Debian with the "new stuff" that , say, the same "new stuff" Mandrake/Mandriva (and RedHat, SuSE, Conectiva) users have been using since the time of MDK 8.2:
GUI installation Excellent hardware support GUI wizards Ready to use as a desktop
And, of course, because Ubuntu is Debian, so it is 1337 H4X0R Linux, UberLinux and the only GPL Linux.
You might not like my comment. Well, guess what, this is a recopilation of all my experiences with Ubuntu and Ubuntu users.
There are lots of Debian-fan-boys that think "only Debian is Kosher" and ".deb ais the only package without dependency hell".
Guess what?
Mandriva is GPL, ships about the same number of packages (main, contrib, jpackage, plf-free) than Debian. AND urpmi is as good (or better) than apt-get. And.deb nor.rpm have nothing to do with dependency hell or heaven.
Frankly, the only reason to get through all this idiocy is if there is a laptop manufacturer there waiting to start shipping Linux as an option on their laptops. Wonder who this is...
The release by BitTorrent is a royal pain in the 455. Nevertheless, so far I only got one CD:
the "extra drivers CD", with drivers for Promise boards, ATI, nVidia... as well as plugins: J2RE, Flash-7.0, Real Player, Opera, Cross Over Office (my guess is both Opera and Cross Over Office are demos).
There are also a couple of interesting CDs: mini-CD and mini-CD-Club. One is ~ 450MB, the other, ~700MB. No clue what's in them. They sound kwel, though.
And all this is extra, separated from the main release of MDV 2005 Limited Edition: CD1 to CD4 (700MB each).
With any luck, someone will download'em all and post a review somewhere.
That will be worth a dupe post on Slashdot, heheheheheh
If you check the mailing lists and the IRC channel, you will notice that there are several guys with lotsa servers, as they use CentOS in ISPs, universities and hosting companies.
There even is commercial support available for CentOS.
[QUOTE] But there is another green car already here, although virtually unheard of in the United States. That car is the Lupo, a small four passenger car produced by Volkswagon that uses a high-technology ultra-clean burning diesel engine and gets 90 MPG. [/QUOTE]
not only were they almost bankrupt, they actually were in bankruptcy in the French court system.
Actualy what MandrakeSoft did was asking for bankrupcy protection, which is different to bankrupcy. With this protection, MandrakeSoft was able to straight up its financial situation, went back to normal and now is profitable again.
In year 1999 MandrakeSoft was profitable and making money. Then, some investors (read: banks) decided that Mandrake needed a new set of bosses. So they hired a "team" of guys who were "experts" in "high tech business". That team started burning cash like crazy, signed pre-dot-bomb contracts with dobious companies, decided taht Linux was not the business direction (and tried to go to the e-learning route) and over-sized the number of MandrakeSoft workers.
In a few time, things were going very bad (loosing money, very expensive contracts, e-learning was a flop... and they were sacked by the original Mandrake founders.
They asked "bankrupcy protection" (which is different from "bankrupcy") and in a little over a year, they turned down the company, putting it back into the Linux business, firing all those "Experts" and unnecesary personnel, terminated those expensive contracts... and MandrakeSoft went back to normal, that is, Linux and making money.
MandrakeSoft exited "bankrupcy protection" in less time than expected (only 14 months, in the middle of a bad economical cycle) and went straight into positive cashflow. Then, MandrakeSoft started to be publicily traded. And all is good.
Yes, Mandrake is pretty good:
* Mandrake is Linux, as it is as stable as all other Linux distros
* includes recent versions of software
* easy administration: point-and-click interfaces (with text versions using ncurses) plus the classic ssh + vi +/etc
* company commited to GPL Mandrake golden rules * LSB-compliant (Linux Standard Base)
* The company is making money (the company will be here for a long time)
* 2 main versions
- regular version (including gratis download edition)
- corporate edition (including support 24x7 and all that jazz)
And, oh, yeah, Mandrake has a native apt-get like tool called urpmi, with both GUI and text interfaces.
Peace
The first splash screen on boot from the CD says "Press F1 for options". Press 'F1' to access a (text) screen where you can read that typing "text" will start the installer in text mode.
And this is all explained in the Installation Documentation from all Mandrake releases.
I know that reading is an arcane science. However, you should try it.
The obtained system is quite rigid and require to enjoy GUI config tools (cause some of them cannot be bypassed)
This is a false statement.
All GUI config tools ("wizzards") can be bypassed... modifying text config files.
Also, most of GUI config tools have a text-version as well.
MandrakeLinux is also a good Linux distribution for those Linux old dogs (like myself) that do not need to prove "31337ness". I already have succesfully installed and used LFS and Slackware (last century, when it came in floppies).
I do not need to endure the pain anymore. My time is more valuable than to missuse it wasting time in a 2-day install and 10-day configure. I just need to use any Linux distribution.
In short: MandrakeSoft is out of "Chapter 11" (March 30th - 2004: Mandrakesoft Exits Bankruptcy). MandrakeSoft is back making profit. MandrakeSoft shares are back being actively traded.
Quoting latest report: ---- During the third quarter of 2003/2004, Mandrakesoft produced a consolidated revenue of 1.50 M and a gross margin of 1.25 M, a respective increase of 39.1% and 66.7% compared with the same period of the previous fiscal year. The gross margin is the highest on record, and quarter by quarter there is an acceleration in its rate of growth (Q1 +29.8%, Q2 47.7%, Q3 +66.7%)
During the quarter, the company registered an operating income of 0.17 M (0.04 per share) compared to an operating loss of 0.47 M during the same period of the previous fiscal year. The net income increased to 0.19M (0.04 per share) compared to a net loss of 0.37 M during the previous fiscal year. ----
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Yes, as Mandriva pays attention to both KDE and Gnome. Thus, Gnome applications don't look extremely alien in KDE. And KDE apps do not look just from another planet in KDE.
Perl works great, although it is not the fastest language around. But then, Perl+GTK integration looks nice and works well. If you talk about unused disk space, what could it be, 20MB? Come on, now the smallest disks have 40GB
Mandriva balances KDE and Gnome support, although KDE is "selected" as the default desktop. Of course you can aways click "Gnome" and unclick "KDE" in the install.
Furthermost, most of Mandriva users use KDE. KDE presents and useable, rich, integrated, fun and "native QT aplication"-full environment.
Peace
If you like KDE, please give Mandriva a testdrive.
Mandriva is a very good distro for Desktop usage. Mandriva does favour KDE, although Gnome is inside the distro full force. Looks like they try to keep a balance, although the default desktop is KDE.
I use Mandriva as my desktop and I couldn't be happier.
Peace
Mandriva, of course.
KDE is the "default GUI" for a basic install, although Mandriva also comes with Gnome, IceWM and others.
I use Mandriva/Mandrake since it has always provided such a great support for KDE, "everything just works" approach for hardware, easy system administration (both GUI or command-line) and urpmi, the best package manager for rpm. As good as "apt-get".
Everybody seems so "Ubuntu" centric today, singing praise to Ubuntu's "new stuff"... when all that "new stuff" has been in Mandrake/mandriva since version 8.0 (and we've had 8.1, 8.2, 9.0, 9.1, 9.2, 10.0, 10.1, 10.2 and now 2006.0; one release every 6 months). So, you see, all that "new" stuff is "old news" for the Mandrake crowd.
And then, KDE is an almost alien part of Ubuntu (Kubuntu)
Ubuntu is all hype.
Anyway, back to my boring Mandriva (yes, boring as all works, and all has been working for so long...)
Peace
What about using existing Linux tools?
I use digiKam (KDE app) in Linux, and it works great. In fact, it has worked great for the last 2 years. Gnome also has a ptoho software, although it is a fairly newcomer to stable apps.
http://www.digikam.org/Digikam-SPIP/
Peace
At least since Mandrake Linux 10.1, whenever I plug my USB digital camera to my PC, digiKam launches.
digiKam is a digital picture manager, like iPhoto on OS X.
http://www.digikam.org/Digikam-SPIP/
Cheers
Based in my experiences with Debian/Ubuntu users:
.deb nor .rpm have nothing to do with dependency hell or heaven.
IMHO it is because Debian users, so used to a last-century distribution , are now excited to see a Debian with the "new stuff" that , say, the same "new stuff" Mandrake/Mandriva (and RedHat, SuSE, Conectiva) users have been using since the time of MDK 8.2:
GUI installation
Excellent hardware support
GUI wizards
Ready to use as a desktop
And, of course, because Ubuntu is Debian, so it is 1337 H4X0R Linux, UberLinux and the only GPL Linux.
You might not like my comment. Well, guess what, this is a recopilation of all my experiences with Ubuntu and Ubuntu users.
There are lots of Debian-fan-boys that think "only Debian is Kosher" and ".deb ais the only package without dependency hell".
Guess what?
Mandriva is GPL, ships about the same number of packages (main, contrib, jpackage, plf-free) than Debian. AND urpmi is as good (or better) than apt-get. And
Cheers
* Documentation:
v aLinux2005Errata
Aside from being in the form of rmps (look for mandrake-doc-* packages), you can fin documentation here:
- http://www.mandrivaexpert.com/index1.php
- http://www1.mandrivalinux.com/en/fdoc.php3
- http://www.mandriva.com/products/faq/beginners
- http://qa.mandriva.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/Mandri
- http://www.mandriva.com/security
* Bugzilla:
- http://qa.mandriva.com/
Hope this is enough for you.
Cheers
Frankly, the only reason to get through all this idiocy is if there is a laptop manufacturer there waiting to start shipping Linux as an option on their laptops. Wonder who this is...
Mandriva already has a deal with Dell to sell Laptops with Mandriva pre-installed. http://www.mandriva.com/company/press/pr?n=/pr/pro ducts/2567
Regards
Configure the amount of RAM used by OpenOffice. Use settings like the following, and your "second and next" starts of OpenOffice will be much faster:
.4MB, which is ridiculous.
Tools -> Options -> OpenOffice.org -> Memory:
Graphincs Cache - Use for OpenOffice.org: 50MB
Graphincs Cache - Memory per Object : 5MB
Modify those settings. Let the second value be ~ 10% of the first. Originaly I believe that they are set up as 9MB and
Those settigns, plus OO.org-quick-launch can speed up *a lot* your OpenOffice.org's start up time.
Peace
The release by BitTorrent is a royal pain in the 455. Nevertheless, so far I only got one CD:
the "extra drivers CD", with drivers for Promise boards, ATI, nVidia... as well as plugins: J2RE, Flash-7.0, Real Player, Opera, Cross Over Office (my guess is both Opera and Cross Over Office are demos).
There are also a couple of interesting CDs: mini-CD and mini-CD-Club. One is ~ 450MB, the other, ~700MB. No clue what's in them. They sound kwel, though.
And all this is extra, separated from the main release of MDV 2005 Limited Edition: CD1 to CD4 (700MB each).
With any luck, someone will download'em all and post a review somewhere.
That will be worth a dupe post on Slashdot, heheheheheh
Peace
If you check the mailing lists and the IRC channel, you will notice that there are several guys with lotsa servers, as they use CentOS in ISPs, universities and hosting companies.
There even is commercial support available for CentOS.
Not bad, huh?
Please see it yourself at http://www.centos.org/
Peace
If you need to know the versions of KDE and Gnome that WhitBoxLinux supports, you are barking to the wrong tree.
WBL is an enterprise-oriented distribution, with focus on stability, RHEL-compatibility and long-life support.
KDE and Gnome versions are reall irrelevant.
You jsut need to know that the versions are good and stable, as they are the same as in RHEL 4.0
Peace
80mpg?
9
This reminds me of the VW Lupo: http://www.ecoworld.org/Home/Articles2.cfm?TID=16
[QUOTE]
But there is another green car already here, although virtually unheard of in the United States. That car is the Lupo, a small four passenger car produced by Volkswagon that uses a high-technology ultra-clean burning diesel engine and gets 90 MPG.
[/QUOTE]
Peace!
The "Euro strength" is only high compared with US Dollar. Compared to other currencies, is not such high.
It is the US Dollar which is very low compared to Euro. It is not the Euro being very highly priced everywhere else.
Peace!
not only were they almost bankrupt, they actually were in bankruptcy in the French court system.
Actualy what MandrakeSoft did was asking for bankrupcy protection, which is different to bankrupcy. With this protection, MandrakeSoft was able to straight up its financial situation, went back to normal and now is profitable again.
Peace!
In year 1999 MandrakeSoft was profitable and making money. Then, some investors (read: banks) decided that Mandrake needed a new set of bosses. So they hired a "team" of guys who were "experts" in "high tech business". That team started burning cash like crazy, signed pre-dot-bomb contracts with dobious companies, decided taht Linux was not the business direction (and tried to go to the e-learning route) and over-sized the number of MandrakeSoft workers.
In a few time, things were going very bad (loosing money, very expensive contracts, e-learning was a flop... and they were sacked by the original Mandrake founders.
They asked "bankrupcy protection" (which is different from "bankrupcy") and in a little over a year, they turned down the company, putting it back into the Linux business, firing all those "Experts" and unnecesary personnel, terminated those expensive contracts... and MandrakeSoft went back to normal, that is, Linux and making money.
MandrakeSoft exited "bankrupcy protection" in less time than expected (only 14 months, in the middle of a bad economical cycle) and went straight into positive cashflow. Then, MandrakeSoft started to be publicily traded. And all is good.
See the figures yourself.
So you see, your opinion was not complete nor well informed. And Mandrake, as it did when it started, can generate money no problem.
Peace
Actualy, both Thunderbird and Mozilla-Firefox are available for free from the "contrib" media, available on all free (as in beer) mirrors.
No ned to join MandrakeClub to get those packages. Although it is nice to be part of MAndrakeClub
Peace.
Mandrake works with i810 chipsets noproblem.
In fact, HP sells in the US PCs with i810 and Mandrake pre-installed.
Not bad...
Yes, Mandrake is pretty good: /etc
* Mandrake is Linux, as it is as stable as all other Linux distros
* includes recent versions of software
* easy administration: point-and-click interfaces (with text versions using ncurses) plus the classic ssh + vi +
* company commited to GPL Mandrake golden rules
* LSB-compliant (Linux Standard Base)
* The company is making money (the company will be here for a long time)
* 2 main versions
- regular version (including gratis download edition)
- corporate edition (including support 24x7 and all that jazz)
And, oh, yeah, Mandrake has a native apt-get like tool called urpmi, with both GUI and text interfaces.
Peace
Whatabout reading?
The first splash screen on boot from the CD says "Press F1 for options". Press 'F1' to access a (text) screen where you can read that typing "text" will start the installer in text mode.
And this is all explained in the Installation Documentation from all Mandrake releases.
I know that reading is an arcane science. However, you should try it.
Peace
Right now, Mandrake 10.1-Community is already out there for anyone to use it. Yes, you either need to do a network install or create your own ISOs.
.torrent) will be available at all official mirrors.
.torrents.
But in about a week (give/take a couple of days), ISOs (or an official
So Club Members get a "download without slashdot effect" time, with noce download speeds using dedicated
Peace.
The obtained system is quite rigid and require to enjoy GUI config tools (cause some of them cannot be bypassed)
This is a false statement.
All GUI config tools ("wizzards") can be bypassed... modifying text config files.
Also, most of GUI config tools have a text-version as well.
MandrakeLinux is also a good Linux distribution for those Linux old dogs (like myself) that do not need to prove "31337ness". I already have succesfully installed and used LFS and Slackware (last century, when it came in floppies).
I do not need to endure the pain anymore. My time is more valuable than to missuse it wasting time in a 2-day install and 10-day configure. I just need to use any Linux distribution.
Peace
See the results for yourself here.
In short: MandrakeSoft is out of "Chapter 11" (March 30th - 2004: Mandrakesoft Exits Bankruptcy). MandrakeSoft is back making profit. MandrakeSoft shares are back being actively traded.
Quoting latest report:
----
During the third quarter of 2003/2004, Mandrakesoft produced a consolidated revenue of 1.50 M and a gross margin of 1.25 M, a respective increase of 39.1% and 66.7% compared with the same period of the previous fiscal year. The gross margin is the highest on record, and quarter by quarter there is an acceleration in its rate of growth (Q1 +29.8%, Q2 47.7%, Q3 +66.7%)
During the quarter, the company registered an operating income of 0.17 M (0.04 per share) compared to an operating loss of 0.47 M during the same period of the previous fiscal year. The net income increased to 0.19M (0.04 per share) compared to a net loss of 0.37 M during the previous fiscal year.
----
So it's all good.
Peace!
RPM dependency hell?
You obviously never used urpmi. Probably, that old Mandrake had no urpmi.
Think of urpmi as apt-get. And you get GUI and text-based front-ends.
urpmi is native to Mandrake, and this is a big reason to use Mandrake.
See http://www.urpmi.org for more information.
Also, MDK lately comes all compiled with the prelink option, and with i586 optimization.
Peace!
I've tried MDK-10.0-Community and several of MDK-10.1's Beta and Release Candidate.
.
In my experience, even MDK-10.1-Beta-1 was more stable than MDK-10.0-Community
Peace