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  1. Re:That's a goal? on Microsoft Officially Shows Longhorn, WinFX · · Score: 1

    Also I was talking about the revamped version in Exchange 2003.

    As a follow-up - we upgraded our Exchange server to Exchange 2003 last night. I just checked and the Outlook Web Access works perfectly with Firebird 0.7 (tested by me) and Mozilla 1.3.1 (tested by a coworker). If you're still having issues, it's a local configuration problem.

  2. Re:That's a goal? on Microsoft Officially Shows Longhorn, WinFX · · Score: 1

    The last time I had the displeasure of using Outlook Express

    Outlook or Outlook Express? They're not the same. I will profess to no knowledge of OE -- the one time I ran it was to convert messages from one format to another (which, hillariously, OE was able to do but Outlook could not). I don't use either one at home, but have to use Outlook for work.

    Also I was talking about the revamped version in Exchange 2003.

    Haven't seen it. I presume, therefore, we're not running Exchange 2003 (although we are running WS2003). Exchange is a piece of shit in general though. And I don't like the web interface, but it's better than having to run Outlook or OE at home.

  3. Re:That's a goal? on Microsoft Officially Shows Longhorn, WinFX · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They mean smart as in crippling attachment functionality so that it's impossible to open anything even if you know the source and it can't possibly be harmful, like a PDF?

    Sounds like a configuration issue on your end. I have no problems viewing PDFs, JPGs, or other non-harmful attachments. You can even tell Outlook to stop annoying you with the bogus "potentially harmful" message if you're sure about it.

    On the other hand, we recently discovered that our Exchange backend is configured to automatically delete certain attachments. We couldn't send an Access .mdb file via email -- even between corporate accounts.

    They mean smart as in the Outlook Web Access Client which doesn't work probably in any browser other than MSIE and uses (as always) their non-standard DHTML object model?

    I call BS -- I use Outlook Web Access with Firebird from home with absolutely no problems. It works differently than it does if you use IE, but it still works.

    There's plenty to bash MS for, and Outlook is a lovely example of overly complex, overly insecure software, but at least keep it to the facts.

  4. Re:beginning of the end? on Cygwin/XFree86 Leaving XFree86.org · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The reason the push developers away is that many of these guys are trying to bloat xfree to hell

    Have any proof to back that statement up?

    Harold was requesting CVS commit access only for bugs that pertained to Cygwin only -- they had no impact on other platforms. Hell, if properly ifdef'd they wouldn't even compile into the binaries on other platforms. That doesn't mean they're not bugs though, and it doesn't mean they shouldn't be fixed in the main tree.

    We're not talking about features here. And there's a long line of people that have tried to get XFree86 to fix bugs -- either in the core or in drivers -- that have not only been denied commit access but also had their fixes ignored, their questions ignored, and been passively shoved aside when trying to get things fixed. The number of actually active developers (i.e. - number of people with commit access and are actually spending time on the project) on XFree86 is absurdly low for the size of the project.

  5. Re:why, oh why.. on Athlon 64 Motherboard Triple Threat Round-Up · · Score: 2, Informative

    Can't they leave off the serial/parallel and ps2 ports?

    Sure. Go buy one of the Abit legacy free boards (not yet available for AMD64 -- doubt it ever will be). Better be quick though -- they haven't been selling well because they shut out a large portion of the market and don't give you anything that Asus or other brands don't have as well, while costing more than the competitors as well.

    Removing the floppy connector, ata-133 and on-board audio would be great.

    No, that'd be pretty flaming stupid. Remove parallel ATA and you cannot put in any kind of optical drive -- SATA is not designed to work with them. The parallel ATA->serial ATA convertors do not work with them. And there's no plans to release SATA optical drives at this time. Removing the floppy might be possible, except that you're lacking another bootable device now and there are still some devices that come with device drivers on floppy only. As for onboard audio -- if you have a high end audio setup that could actually benefit from improved sound (which, as onboard audio improves and computer speakers continue to suck rocks, is less and less likely) then go for it. You'd save maybe $5 by removing the chip. What's the point?

    A64 board with 8 DDR slots

    If you want Opteron, it's available. If you don't want Opteron it's not. The Athlon64 and Athlon FX lines cannot support that many slots.

    PCI Express

    Available.

    dual Gb LAN

    Not available on any motherboard that I've heard of for x86.

    8 usb2 ports and 4 FW800 ports on the backpanel

    Available, but not all on the backpanel. Ever heard of a hub?

    8 SATA connectors would sweeten the deal

    Don't think I've seen a board with more than 4 SATA connectors. Not even sure it's allowed by the standard.

    What I find humorous about all of this is your alleged high-end bias, and yet you want SATA. If you're actually doing professional audio work (as you claim later) then you really should be using SCSI for the hard drives at least.

  6. Re:No one took your time in the first place. on Take Back Your Time! · · Score: 1

    Rent's due every 30 days. Kids are hungry three times a day. You do the math.

    I have. That's why I have money in reserves should both my wife and myself end up unemployed at the same time. If you don't, then you have nobody to blame but yourself for being an indentured servant.

    Good for you. I know MCS graduates who can't rent a job

    So they should find another line of work, or move someplace with better opportunities. What, did you expect to have this handed to you on a platter? Welcome to the real world.

    Yeah, they are. As employees, we check our dignity at the time clock, or we starve. It's a simple choice for most.

    Well, at least your name is appropriate. How deeply sad for you.

    Contrary to what you think, most people do not check their dignity at their door in return for a paycheck. Frankly, if you're willing to do that then you may as well become a prostitue -- the pay's probably better too.

  7. Re:No one took your time in the first place. on Take Back Your Time! · · Score: 1

    Boss: No, I'm going on a picnic with my family. You're working or you're fired.

    Employee: What time?


    And right there you've made the choice to give your life over to your boss. You made the choice.

    Frankly, if I had a boss that said that I wouldn't want to work for that hellhole of a company anyway. You can't pay me enough. Go ahead and fire me -- you're even legally allowed to. I'll find someplace else to work where the managers don't treat their employees like dirt and respect them. It'll be a more enjoyable place to work, I won't hate going to work every day, and it'll be a better company overall.

    Yeah, I've been unemployed before. I may be again. I also have 6 months of living money in the bank, and more available if necessary (by selling stocks, etc -- not touching retirement money). I'll change careers if I have to.

    But you are not allowed to own me, nor are you allowed to intrude upon my non-work time in an unreasonable manner. Any company that does and then claims that their employees are their "most valuable resource" is full of shit.

  8. Re:Because you're a slave to The Man? on Take Back Your Time! · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What if you really do enjoy your job, as I'm sure a lot of the techies you know do?

    And who ever said there was anything wrong with that? The article certainly didn't.

    If you enjoy being paged in the middle of the night that's great. More power to you. But my time off work is my time. Too many companies expect overtime, pager time, etc. without any additional compensation. Sorry, but I decline.

    Recently at work we were told that a deadline for a project was too far out and that something would have to change. The scope could not change, and if we couldn't figure out a way to do the work faster then I'd just have to work overtime. I said, outright, that I would not -- I have a nursery to finish and I'm not going to sacrifice my personal life because someone arbitrarily decided we should do more work in less time.

    As it happens, we found a way to provide them with some of what they needed as a stop gap until the project is done, and doing so didn't impact the time schedule at all.

    I don't despise my employer, but that doesn't mean I'm going to let them treat me like a disposable employee either. If you value your employees then you'll respect their lives. Too many companies have forgotten this, and then wonder why moral and productivity is so low.

  9. Re:I find his argument somewhat strange. on Tridgell and Samba Recognized · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why would Samba need a major re-write if the code weren't properly written in the first place?

    Because things evolve. If you ever write a program and can't think of ways to improve it when you're "done" then you've failed as a programmer -- you've learned nothing from the experience. There is no such thing as perfect code. There's always another feature, another bug, or a more elegant (easier to understand and extend -- if it happens to be more efficient then that's a bonus) way to do things.

    Eventually you reach the point at which the code base has been extended so many times that it's become crufty, and crufty code is likely to be buggy code. At that point you can either walk away from it, ignore the cruft (this is a valid decision), or decide to rewrite large portions. This doesn't mean that the code was poorly designed. Sure, some parts of it may look poorly designed now, but that may be because the world has changed and the original requirements are no longer the same as real world requirements. You may have simply extended the code beyond the point the design intended. It happens. Saying that the code is poorly designed because of this is the same as saying that a small rural bridge is poorly designed because it would collapse if a 70T tank tried to go over it.

    It seems from his comments, that bad code won't be magically fixed in the world of open-source and I think it's not necessarily true that closed-source will just turn out garbage over-and-over again.

    I don't know how you got that from the comments. The idea is that open source code doesn't come back as bad -- it gets refined over time from many eyes and many hands and comes back as better (if not good). Closed source doesn't inherently turn out crap -- but it doesn't get the advantage of many eyes, many hands, and virtually unlimited time. Code reviews can do a good bit toward eliminating this disadvantage though, but not enough companies do them. And being pressed for time doesn't help in writing good code (but unlimited time does not inherently give you good code either!).

  10. Re:Hydrogen fuel cells on The End of the Oil Age · · Score: 1

    I don't know if you're wrong or right, but oil and coal have nothing to do with one another, at least as far as supply goes.

    The largest oil reserves in the world are in the Middle East. There are coal reserves pretty much everywhere -- a brief (and probably wrong) Google search indicates the largest being in Russia at 905 bt (billion tons), one in China at 870 bt, and others scattered everywhere. Australia is apparantly the world's largest coal exporter -- and that's from a field of "only" 41 million tons (which yielded 1.2 mt last year). There are much larger fields in the US, Europe, and Asia.

    Of course, mining for coal is dirty and dangerous, and burning coal isn't exactly clean either. But I'm not sure that coal is the best way to get hydrogen either -- natural gas would seem like a much better candidate.

  11. Re:"CAN SPAM" = OK, you CAN SPAM at will on Senate Passes Anti-Spam Bill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think you need to read up on your legal knowledge.

    Federal law trumps state law. Ammendment X is not applicable here, any more than it is for the Do Not Call list or the Fair Credit Reporting Act because this law is made under the auspices of interstate trade which the federal government is explicitly granted authority over in the Constitution. And spam is most certainly interstate... in fact, the state laws do little or nothing because enforcement ends at the state line. To a large extent it's questionable whether or not this law will do anything since enforcement will end at the US border, but if it's well designed (which is questionable) then it's at least a start.

    Sadly, nothing short of completely replacing SMTP with a more secure protocol, including authentication, is going to stop spam.

  12. Living near high output sources on Real Life EMF Experiences? · · Score: 1

    I seriously doubt you'll have any problems with satellite reception, TVs, or anything else. The power drops off squared with respect to distance. Others have pointed out more realistic issues with buying such a house though -- the biggest is easements and easement access (I once considered a home that had many easements on it, and they were a major reason for why I didn't purchase. That and the fact that cutting a 12" hole into an engineered wood I-beam violates the manufacturer's guarantees), one of the others is that while it may not be an issue to you, it is to many people -- that will affect your future sales price, and is probably affecting the current sale price. If it isn't, then it certainly should (check comparables).

    In a similar, but not identical vein, when I was in college I lived in a dorm constructed adjacent to the college radio station broadcast tower (40 KW). The tower was 100 feet from the nearest section of the dorm, and I was in a room that was opposite the nearest dorm room. We had absolutely no problems as things go. The people across the hall (in the closest dorm room) eventually gave up on an answering machine -- their tape kept on getting overwritten by whatever was playing from the broadcast tower. They also had problems with cordless phones. Very odd.

  13. Re:Life examples on Real Life EMF Experiences? · · Score: 1

    Wow. That's amazing.

    I do know the science, and I also know the following:

    My parents, sister, and myself have never lived near any high voltage wires. My father died of liver cancer, my mother is recovering from breast cancer, and my sister has had severe arthritis since the age of 35. Oh, and I have a benign lump on my thumb.

    Maybe that whole "coincidence" thing has more to it than you know.

    Or it could have something to do with other lifestyle habits -- I'm sure my father's smoking two packs a day didn't help at all.

  14. Re:Binko on What Makes Online Worlds Fun To Explore? · · Score: 1

    Instead of having me sign up with a credit card sell a little calling card like deal with X weeks of server time.

    Sony does. You can buy Everquest Game Cards at many retailers -- I just checked and CompUSA has a 90 day subscription card for $40. A bit more than paying by credit card I believe, which is reasonable since there's one hell of a lot more overhead involved in selling cards.

    I don't know if the initial credit card requirement is still there or not. I quit playing nearly 2 years ago. Hallelujah.

    oth of those games use real time clocks to change the world according to the time. When it is dark out different things happen than during the day. Events take place only on particular days.

    EQ already does this, and has since the very start. There are werewolves in a couple zones that would only appear at certain times of day. About 6 months after EQ started they changed an entire zone (Kithicor Forest) so that it became haunted (infested with undead) at night. There are quests that can only be completed at night as well. And they used to do special events around major holidays that somewhat tied into the theme (the Kithicor change was done on Halloween, as well as opening the Plane of Hate).

    Tournaments or contests where players can be rewarded for particular skills would be a pretty good idea.

    EQ did that too with the Best of the Best tourneys at one point, and has had similar things at other times. But they're very, very, very time intensive -- they have to be run by actual people (GMs) and can't be done by script. If you do it by script then it's just another quest or another item to be crafted.

    Again no media needs to be produced, only in-game scripting and characters are needed.

    As if in-game scripting is free? It takes a lot of developer and QA time to do it right. Not that SOE knows much about doing that ;) Given how many massive failures they've had on doing it it's pretty clear that it's not a cakewalk. Or they're grossly incompetent. I'm open to either.

    The biggest issue with "unique" events in a MMORPG is that they attract users. Of course, you'll say that's the entire point. The problem is that they attract too many users. Most of the MMORPG's are designed to have a reasonably spread out player base. Concentrate a large percentage of them in any one place and things will start to go bad quickly. I distinctly remember one of the early events in EQ (dorf hammer... hell if I remember the item name; proc'd superior healing and was always given to a dwarf paladin or cleric) that drew roughly 40% of the server to a single zone. The frame rate was down to single digits even when you were looking away from the action, the ping was in the multi second range, and it was pretty well impossible to enjoy the event.

  15. Re:They'd be breaking Federal Law if they ... on SCO Selective About Linux Licensees · · Score: 1

    actually sold any licenses. It's called mail fraud.

    Untrue. It's only mail fraud if you bill someone for something that you're not allowed to bill them for/never sent. Certainly SCO is not legally allowed to bill for Linux licenses, but they're not doing that. They've simply said "pay us $699 and we'll never sue you over Linux violations". They didn't send a bill, they just made a public statement. If you chose to pay them then that's your own decision, but you were under no legal obligation to any more than you were obligated to give a panhandler $1 for food.

    And if they sold a few of them, it would also open them up to RICO prosecution because it would indicate a pattern of criminality that qualified as racketeering.

    Doubt it. There's an outside chance they could be hit up for fraud, but since their actions are inline with their allegations that's doubtful as well. They're guilty of fleecing the stupid, but that's not illegal. They've managed to stay just a hair on the right side of the law thusfar -- although they've repeatedly made statements that, if followed through with actions, would put them deeply on the wrong side of numerous laws (such as sending out bills for licensing -- mail fraud as you say).

    Threatening end-users was baseless allegations to drive up the price of your stock is also a Federal crime

    It'd also be virtually impossible to prove that that was the sole reason for the claim. And, contrary to what many /.ers think, SCO execs aren't having a fire sale on their personal shares/options of SCO.

    They're doomed of course -- they don't have a leg to stand on as far as their actual claims go -- but there's one hell of a lot of FUD going on around here; almost as much as what SCO is spreading.

  16. Re:Nevertheless on Hydrogenaudio Closes Doors For Now · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One does not take down a community on no notice, just because there's some heated discussion.

    If it's a flamewar on a previously quiet board you may.

    Corporate sponsors or not

    HA has no corporate sponsors. Foobar2000 is a free program (not OSS IIRC, but no money to use).

    Gee, what would happen if /. did that?

    People would bitch and whine and find something else to do with their time. Subscribers would be the only ones with a valid issue.

    Free online forums have no obligation to their users to remain available. If the costs get too high, if the site becomes too much of a chore, or if things just aren't working as the site owners want them to they have every right to close up shop either temporarily or permanently.

  17. Re:Show me some thermodynamics. on Is Recycling Really Worth It? · · Score: 1

    The last time I tried to calculate the amount of energy saved vs. the energy expended by recycling Aluminum or Paper, I couldn't make it even close.

    Given how badly off your calculations are, you might want to take some remedial math and/or science courses. Others have sufficiently pointed out the numbers on aluminum. Paper is more marginal, but not vastly so.

    The problem people forget is nothing is free. You need to collect the material. That's energy. Then you need to transport the materials to a center, where they are trucked yet again. All the while burning gasoline and diesel - don't forget those emissions in your calculations. Then you need to expend more energy to reduce the material to a simple state, then more energy still to reform it.

    Yes, so don't forget those very same calculations when creating new product. The amount of energy required to mine and refine metals is not insignificant. Most metals are far cheaper to recycle than to mine anew.

    If you REALLY care about the environment, live close to where you work or telecommute so you don't have to drive and waste gas. Drive a small car. No, you don't need a SUV. Yes, they're nice. Use LESS material. Buy material in BULK so you don't have packaging. Limit your consumption of electricity.

    Agreed with every single word of that.

    There is no shortage of land for landfills.

    Really? There certainly is near most major cities. So when you think throwing it out is cheaper, remember to also include the cost of transportation and disposal, considering that the space used by that waste will probably never be reclaimed for a few hundred years (I don't expect mining trash dumps to be profitable anytime soon, and building on top of them is asking for trouble).

    There is no shortage of trees.

    That entirely depends on where you live. And the fact is, there is vastly less old growth forest than there used to be. Certain species of wood are becoming difficult to find for use in manufacturing simply because they take too damn long to grow. A pine tree does not replace an oak tree.

    What there IS a shortage of is ENERGY.

    Bullshit. There's a shortage of extremely cheap energy -- but it's energy that doesn't have the total cost built in, especially when it comes to pollution. There's a freaking energy source 93 million miles from us that puts out more energy than we'll ever use. Admittedly, the methods for collecting said energy are not optimal right now, but it's improving. And when the oil runs out we'll move to alternate methods like solar -- it may cost more, but we're certainly not going to "run out" of energy anytime soon.

    Wars are being fought over oil - thousands of people die over oil. Many more will in the future.

    Yes, and wars have been fought over numerous resources in the past, and will be fought in the future over other resources. People have died over trees and sand and mineral rights too. Your point?

    People do not die over glass bottles.

    They did in The Gods Must Be Crazy! ;)

    Look, I'm not a tree hugger. But people who say recycling is stupid are just as full of it as the people who think we should never cut down another tree, never mine another ounce of ore, etc. There's this thing called moderation. Reduce and reuse, yes. But recycle as well, just be sensible about it.

  18. Re:some clarification about HA on Hydrogenaudio Closes Doors For Now · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm rather amazed at how people are misreading the topic.

    The site is closed temporarily to rethink the standards of the community -- of the HydrogenAudio community, not of the music encoding community as a whole. They're not trying to create new audio compression standards while closed -- they're trying to formulate new rules to reduce flamage on the forums (which is pretty much all that HA is). If /. closed down for a week or two and said "we're rethinking the standards of the community" (which, btw, is not what their page says) would you think that they're trying to change OSS/Linux/geek standards, or just doing some serious rethinking of how the posting/moderation/meta-mod system works?

  19. Re:It makes you wonder who ran the numbers on Toshiba Pushes Safe, Small Nuclear Reactor Design · · Score: 1

    That's simple; you just never let it get cold.

    That's considerably easier to say than do when the average temperature ranges from -2F to -18F (-19C to -28C) in January. It really wouldn't take long to gel the diesel -- you can insulate, but only to a certain point (best bet, obviously, is to stick the tanks in the ground, but we're talking about permafrost here, giving you a base temperature of 0C/32F in any case).

    Another thing that occurs to me; if they're on the Yukon river, what stops them from using hydropower?

    The river freezes solid up to 5 feet thick during winter. Even if you could solve that issue, you'd have to figure out where to flood up river and build a dam that could feed the turbines off the bottom running water while dealing with the silt issues.

    Oh, and Galena, AK does use wind power. Wind power is apparantly reasonably new to Alaska for a variety of reasons. Read this, this, and this (wind power tables for the US) for more info. But it's hardly enough power. It's also telling that while diesel generated power is 2-3x the generation cost in Galena as it is in Anchorage (and vastly higher than it is pretty much anywhere else -- there are no roads that lead to Galena), it's still the most cost effective way of power generation -- wind is displacing it slowly though, but wind power generation has come down in cost and up in efficiency considerably in recent years.

    Oh, and to top it all off -- Galena appears to be rather environmentally conscious, even for Alaska. They've banned plastic bags and have other anti-pollution statutes on the books there.

  20. Re:It makes you wonder who ran the numbers on Toshiba Pushes Safe, Small Nuclear Reactor Design · · Score: 1

    Diesel generators can be started up and shut down almost at will

    In warm climes perhaps, but shut down a diesel too long in some place cold like Alaska and I challenge you to restart it without expending a rather considerable amount of power to reheat the sludge more commonly known as diesel fuel.

    And it's going to take a lot longer than a few seconds.

    I don't know how viable wind power is in some of these remote Alaskan villages, although I would think it's pretty good if there aren't similar temperature issues. If you're near mountains then forget it of course.

    The cost issue is certainly a valid one though, but at some point we're going to need to factor in the pollution costs of burning fossil fuels. At that point cleaner fuels like nuclear, wind, etc. become much more attractive -- although obviously nuclear has a long term pollution issue as well.

  21. Re:PS2 Mice on How Not To Install Computer Hardware · · Score: 1

    Or, even worse, people who don't realize that modern motherboards and power supplies always provide power to PCI slots and I/O ports in order to have little things like "Wake On ..." work.

    Unplug your computer before working on it. If you're worried about static electricity then either touch something large and metallic nearby or use a freaking grounding strap. The power cord was never a great way to ensure ground, and now it's merely a pretty good way to try and fry anything you plug into the computer.

  22. Re:Way back in the day... on How Not To Install Computer Hardware · · Score: 1

    I own a Toro and I can't even imagine how you'd manage to do that. I even have one of the lighter ones -- Super Recycler push model w/ an aluminum casing -- and I think I'd throw my back trying to lift that heavy of a weight with that much of a torque arm.

  23. Re:ARRGH! on Apple Releases iTunes for Windows · · Score: 1

    And you'd be wrong. Hell, all of my boxes ran Win98SE until under a year ago -- and an Athlon 750 w/ 512MB or Athlon 1.4GHz w/ 512MB is certainly sufficient to run iTunes (my new Athlon 2.2GHz and the 1.4 now run WinXP, but I probably would've installed 98SE on the 2.2 if I hadn't run into install issues (turned out to be bad memory)). My brother-in-law's boxes all run Win98 or Win98SE, simply because there's no reason for him to upgrade -- and since he and my sister both have 6 figure salaries with no kids and no substantial debts (my sister paid cash for her last car, which was probably about $30k) they are certainly in the "consumers who have money" category, and they're likely to be interested in iTunes as well. My other sister's PC is probably on the marginal end of running iTunes, but I have no doubt that she'd be interested in it if she could run it. I have several coworkers who would also be interested, except they run 98SE or ME as well simply because there is no good reason to upgrade. And iTunes isn't going to be the reason.

    A lot of gamers run Win98SE because it's still considered one of the best gaming OS's. It's much lighter than XP, runs all the apps and games, has full driver support, and is reasonably stable.

    Sorry, it's a stupid, bone-headed decision. Apple has probably cut out over half their target market in doing so -- and that's enough to justify the additional programming and QA expenses to make sure it works right.

  24. Re:ARRGH! on Apple Releases iTunes for Windows · · Score: 1

    MS has EOLed 98 (Dead as in OS 9), why should Apple support it?

    No it hasn't. End of support isn't until Jan 16 next year, EOL is Jan 16, 2005. While you can argue that that's only three months at this point, WinME has almost another year of life beyond Win98 and supporting one would be no harder than supporting the other. On top of that there's a rather huge number of people still running Win9x/ME that have no intention, desire, or capability to upgrade... I really don't get why Apple shut out that user base -- especially since it's probably a demographic that's likely to be interested in this kind of thing.

  25. Re:Lossless on Apple Releases iTunes for Windows · · Score: 1

    AAC->CD is lossless, as AAC is 44KHz 16 bit, and the CD can encode that perfectly.

    CD ->MP3 is lossy, but blame that on MP3 ^^


    Wow... that's clueless. Apples and oranges.

    MP3 is also 44KHz, 16 bit, stereo, so MP3->CD is also "lossless" (as in you won't lose anything that's in the MP3 already)

    CD->AAC is lossy as well though.

    The difference is that the bits that are tossed are different depending on the codec, and transcoding from one codec to another may introduce audible encoding errors. Of course, if you're listening in your car, on cheap headphones, cheap speakers (which includes pretty much every computer speaker setup out there), etc. then the odds of your noticing any of this is rather low.

    The grandparent poster may be technically correct in stating that there is two transcodings of the data, but he's incorrect in that this matters any more than transcoding directly from AAC->MP3. I also suspect he wouldn't be able to hear the differences if he thinks that doing this is going to cause errors anywhere on the level of "poking holes in your speakers".

    My only complaint with this service is that I'd like to see higher bitrates... like 192 kbps. Yeah, lossless would be the best, but I don't expect to see that anytime soon.