But you don't mind buying a new CD and reinstalling Linux every few months, or upgrading every package individually whenever there are new versions?
Mandrake just announce MandrakeFreq, which is an update to their current distro. It's basically an update CD that you throw in and upgrade Mandrake with. You can also install an empty system with one, which gets you 7.2+updates. Their plan is to release one as often as necessary, which would seem to me whenever a new version of a major package is announced. Thought not as useful as apt-get, it will provide updates more quickly than the standard distro release schedule.
I've seen these upgrade CD's on cheapbytes (RH+updates), but I'm too lazy to wait and don't have a fat pipe at home, so I can just get the iso from work, burn it, and voila, no need to clog my modem line for a long time, and no need to try cooker or an 8.0 beta, which would be more unstable. Hopefully, Mandrake will move to more of a Debianesque system in the future, a more 'living' distribution, for those of us who prefer Mandrake over Debian.
For big projects I think that having it appear on/. is fine. Most of these announcements are for programs that affect linux's future tremendously, so we need a forum to discuss them on. If I want to find out about YAPSTDWAOAD (yet another perl script that does what another one already does), THEN I'll head to freshmeat
Take a second, look at almost every piece of electronic equipment that you own... most of it sucks... design wise... not just including computer stuff...
Why do I have turn 5 knobs and push 4 buttons to make my home theater receiver/tv switch from dss to ps2?
Why do 90% of VCR functions only come on the remote, especially important stuff, like switch to the aux video source?
why does every piece of software come with crappy default settings?
why are we stuck with crappy interoperatability between anything? DV vs. D8mm, firewire vs. whatever, ide vs. scsi.. you name it...
i have a pda, cell phone, pager, email, etc... but for some reason, getting them all to work together in a synchronous, efficient manner is impossible, unless you of course get all your services from the same company, and who wants that?
I know I'm generalizing, but these 'engineers and scientists' are the same jerks who've been pushing shitty technology down our throats... if all engineers and scientists contributed to what makes sense and push good technology instead of market-speak, we'd would have had beta vcr's, be running linux, and stupid shit like DMCA/UCITA wouldn't exist...
Search is similar to Napster's; I find that searching by genre is a lot more useful. If you search Metallica, it gives you a list of the most popular metallica songs, then up top it does the old "People who like Metallica also like this....", and you can search Heavy Metal, Rock, or whatever... I find it more useful than Napster search...
Gnutella is neat, but for a reliable MP3-only service, check out Audiogalaxy.
At first I was put off by the web interface, but:
1) It remembers everything you request in a queue and will get it when available. (A must for dial-up users)
2) Auto-resume using temp files.
3) A small app in your system tray/console only sends/receive when you have it running.
The greatest advantage is that ZDnet/CNet/MSNBC and other DON'T mention audiogalaxy in their "quest for Napster clone" articles, so the quality of users, and therefore the music, is excellent.
Unfortunately, it is a centralized system, but so far, it seems the mainstream media/RIAA have ignored it.
I believe a lot of the cheap CD houses offer RH7.0 with a CD of fixes... Someone correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Eridani Linux a "Red Hat with the latest fixes"?
Maybe because it's really two third party software and not linux (the kernel) that's the cause of the vulnerability?
That's exactly the problem... these "pundits" will always blame linux as whole when a vulnerability is found in a distribution. If the patches have been available (not sure how long they have been), then the sysadmins of those sites are at fault for not keeping up to date on security patches... either way, we end up with "Linux Worm found", which translates to "You linux guys said that viruses were not a problem, but ZDNet said Linux is at fault.."... then we end up with the uneducated masses thinking that Linux is as vulnerable as closed source systems...
I think PPC-only Mac OS X will not real be a real threat to Linux, an x86 version could make things interesting.. either way, still not open source, so it matters not;)
I'm seeing huge performance increases over NS6. ON both Win and Linux platforms... some problems but generally an awesome release... Good job Mozilla.org!
Too bad for Apple... first they pull all the "Apple-like" themes from themes.org, now this... They take (BSD allows this though), but they don't give back. Apple can follow Rambus and Amazon to the shithouse... oops, I better not say that, don't want to get sued for violating a copyrighted name...
It's also somewhat interesting that the card with (by far) the greatest performance under Linux has closed source drivers.
It's funny you mention this - this is ridiculous, especially for us loyal few who have been patiently waiting for 3dfx to get their head out of their *ss. I would be content with a linux driver from 3dfx that was halfway decent. They're not even close to performance of the windows drivers, and yet NVIDIA linux users have some pretty solid drivers. Not a real strong argument for open source is it? My next card will be an NVIDIA, closed source or whatever...
I really honestly don't understand the anti-RH sentiment in the slashdot crowd. So far, my desktop machine has been running like a rock since the release (Don't know for server installations). I got accelerated Q3A running in record time, the GNOME desktop is damn stable, the only bug I've seen is that xmms doesn't shutdown very well (filed with both RH and xmms.org). I have tried every major distro and always end up with RH. Mandrake 7.0 and 7.1 were the buggiest, most windows-esque distributions ever, and yet, you won't find an anti-mandrake stuff on/., except for the release anouncements...
RH employs a lot of smart people from the linux community. Would GNOME be as stable as it is today without the work of all the RHAD guys? I hope RH is successful and continues to agressively push linux in new directions....
I don't get it... my query reports 254 bugs for the whole distro. How did you guys get 2500??? I select RedHat Linux as the product, 7.0 as the version, and select all the statuses (statisi?). Some of these are dupes, and some are resolved... so unless I'm mistaken, it looks some people need to work on their bugzilla skills, unless I'm wrong, of course..:)
I just got off the phone with RHs pre-buyer tech support: She told me that indeed RH7 will install it's GNOME RPMS over Helix's... I'm sure that you can probably get around this doing a custom install. When I asked her what "enhanced 3D support" meant she gave me the usual market speak.:)
If anyone knows (bero?) I'd like to know how this release supports 3Dfx chipsets, for some reason I've never gotten 3dfx.o to compile on my 6.2 system. RH please don't forget the importance of Q3A!! "Runs Q3A on 3Dfx out of the box" should have made it into the enhancements page! I guess I'll know for sure when the box gets here....
Anyone know what kind of USB support we can expect? I'm really looking forward to the day RH automagically detects my Handspring Visor USB instead of the current solution.....
These are pretty neat; anyone remember all the great music on the Genesis? I'll always remember the music for Thunder Force II and Herzog Zwei, which at the time was the closest thing to a RTS, and a freaking awesome 2 player game!!!
Doesn't junkbuster filter out all of this stuff already? I know it blocks the advertisements, but does anyone know if it blocks the information going the other way??
here's my take - the number of linux games seems to have doubled in these past few months. UT, Q3A, among others, and now JA2. What does this mean? The truly great games seem to be cross platform and transcend os boundaries... who do we thank? I think John Carmack from id should get the big prize for this one. Years ago id said they ported to other os's because they thought it was just cool... and now other companies have followed their lead. I've spent a week getting Q3A to run on my linux box with a voodoo3. I'm not experienced, so most of it was just me. But in a 6 months or less (hopefully), we'll have Xfree 4.0, new 3dfx drivers, and the whole process will just simplify (hell, we might even have mozilla).. I think as a community, we need to recognize that the release of Q3A and UT for linux has really brought linux gaming out of the niche and into the mainstream, mainstream linux wise that is, is that mainstream or still niche? What am I talking about?:)
The system they have now uses a pure web-based system (currently supplied by checkfree, but I've talked to them and they're building their own improved interface) for bill payment, bill presentment, etc. The interface they have is fairly nice. It's cool to be able to tell it "Ok, every month pull down my phone bill and if it's not over X dollars, pay it automagically." They have a nice system for statement download for checking, savings, and credit cards. They have a section for brokerage services, but I don't use it so I can't comment on it. Personally, I'm happy with them. If for no other reason than when I call their tech support, I usually get someone clueful.
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I use First Union and am totally happy with their system. They need a few interface improvements but overall it is a very slick interface. All my bills are paid automagically and the checks arrive when specified. I used to use Quicken for my services, but the turnaround on updating Quicken through First Union took like 5 days. In other words, look carefully at the turn around time that it takes your bank to update their online service. If it's not instant, then it takes the convinience out of online banking in the first place. For example, I can go around the corner, use the ATM, and when I get home my online checking balance is already updated... not all banks do that so be careful and ask alot of questions....
- jorge
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So enlightenment crashes all the time. Hmmm... Is Linux more stable than Windows? Linux zealots boast that linux is more stable than windows; however, they never offer any actual proof.
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I still do not understand why people like you have this attitude. E on my mandrake 6.1 system runs fine. When I want to work, I load a light theme, when I want to show off, I load up a huge background and theme. I've run linux for about a year, and I never have had a problem with any major projects, with the exception of netscape. I am constantly amazed with the posts on the newsgroups / irc... I believe most people either don't have the intelligence to use a computer OR they have substandard equipment. If a piece of hardware doesn't work on linux, then it probably sucks anyways. Example: Winmodems. If a person was computer literate in the first place, they would have never bought one for windows either.
As far as the "desktop wars" are concerned, everytime there is a new version, etc. we get dozens of posts about how bloated and slow it is. NO ONE IS SHOVING THESE DOWN YOUR THROAT!!! That's the beauty of linux, if you don't like it, don't use it!! There's something for everyone here. If you're a real linux fan, you'll be trying them all just to see what they can do anyway!! Right now I'm ripping/encoding a cd, burning an.iso, irc'ing, listening to.mp3s, browsing, and cracking rc5 keys, on 4 virtual desktops, at once... try that on windows...
They want to make money off of all of the linux gamers out there that may be frustrated that they can't seem to get quake to work in X windows with their less then Voodoo 3 or GeForce 256. If their product was open source, then anybody could download the source code and save themselves 99 bucks.
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I see this from another perspective. I have a TNT1 that works great for Q1 and Q2 in Windows. Unfortuantely, the nvidia accelerated support sucks, so instead of opting for a TNT2 ultra or a Geforce I went with a Voodoo3 for Q3A. Why? As I see it, 3dfx has supported linux more in the past, and as far as nvidia is concerned, too little, too late, they should have released their drivers a long time ago. I'll spend my money on the companies that support linux, nvidia be damned!! Besides... what's $100 to play Q3A in linux..:)
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Mandrake just announce MandrakeFreq, which is an update to their current distro. It's basically an update CD that you throw in and upgrade Mandrake with. You can also install an empty system with one, which gets you 7.2+updates. Their plan is to release one as often as necessary, which would seem to me whenever a new version of a major package is announced. Thought not as useful as apt-get, it will provide updates more quickly than the standard distro release schedule.
I've seen these upgrade CD's on cheapbytes (RH+updates), but I'm too lazy to wait and don't have a fat pipe at home, so I can just get the iso from work, burn it, and voila, no need to clog my modem line for a long time, and no need to try cooker or an 8.0 beta, which would be more unstable. Hopefully, Mandrake will move to more of a Debianesque system in the future, a more 'living' distribution, for those of us who prefer Mandrake over Debian.
Just because it's possible doesn't mean you have to do it.
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Please just give me a kickass Star Wars movie that doesn't suck
For big projects I think that having it appear on /. is fine. Most of these announcements are for programs that affect linux's future tremendously, so we need a forum to discuss them on. If I want to find out about YAPSTDWAOAD (yet another perl script that does what another one already does), THEN I'll head to freshmeat
whew ... I caught the announcement on linuxtoday about 20 minutes ago ... I got mine!!!
Take a second, look at almost every piece of electronic equipment that you own... most of it sucks ... design wise... not just including computer stuff...
.. you name it ...
.. but for some reason, getting them all to work together in a synchronous, efficient manner is impossible, unless you of course get all your services from the same company, and who wants that?
... if all engineers and scientists contributed to what makes sense and push good technology instead of market-speak, we'd would have had beta vcr's, be running linux, and stupid shit like DMCA/UCITA wouldn't exist...
....
Why do I have turn 5 knobs and push 4 buttons to make my home theater receiver/tv switch from dss to ps2?
Why do 90% of VCR functions only come on the remote, especially important stuff, like switch to the aux video source?
why does every piece of software come with crappy default settings?
why are we stuck with crappy interoperatability between anything? DV vs. D8mm, firewire vs. whatever, ide vs. scsi
i have a pda, cell phone, pager, email, etc.
I know I'm generalizing, but these 'engineers and scientists' are the same jerks who've been pushing shitty technology down our throats
my 2 cents
Search is similar to Napster's; I find that searching by genre is a lot more useful. If you search Metallica, it gives you a list of the most popular metallica songs, then up top it does the old "People who like Metallica also like this....", and you can search Heavy Metal, Rock, or whatever ... I find it more useful than Napster search...
Imprison LiVid
... You are on the way to Destruction!
What You Say?!?
All Your Rights Are Belong to Us
You have no chance to compile, make your time!
Gnutella is neat, but for a reliable MP3-only service, check out Audiogalaxy.
At first I was put off by the web interface, but:
1) It remembers everything you request in a queue and will get it when available. (A must for dial-up users)
2) Auto-resume using temp files.
3) A small app in your system tray/console only sends/receive when you have it running.
The greatest advantage is that ZDnet/CNet/MSNBC and other DON'T mention audiogalaxy in their "quest for Napster clone" articles, so the quality of users, and therefore the music, is excellent.
Unfortunately, it is a centralized system, but so far, it seems the mainstream media/RIAA have ignored it.
I believe a lot of the cheap CD houses offer RH7.0 with a CD of fixes ... Someone correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Eridani Linux a "Red Hat with the latest fixes"?
Maybe because it's really two third party software and not linux (the kernel) that's the cause of the vulnerability?
... these "pundits" will always blame linux as whole when a vulnerability is found in a distribution. If the patches have been available (not sure how long they have been), then the sysadmins of those sites are at fault for not keeping up to date on security patches ... either way, we end up with "Linux Worm found", which translates to "You linux guys said that viruses were not a problem, but ZDNet said Linux is at fault.." ... then we end up with the uneducated masses thinking that Linux is as vulnerable as closed source systems ...
That's exactly the problem
I think PPC-only Mac OS X will not real be a real threat to Linux, an x86 version could make things interesting .. either way, still not open source, so it matters not ;)
I'm seeing huge performance increases over NS6. ON both Win and Linux platforms ... some problems but generally an awesome release... Good job Mozilla.org!
Too bad for Apple ... first they pull all the "Apple-like" themes from themes.org, now this ... They take (BSD allows this though), but they don't give back. Apple can follow Rambus and Amazon to the shithouse ... oops, I better not say that, don't want to get sued for violating a copyrighted name...
It's also somewhat interesting that the card with (by far) the greatest performance under Linux has closed source drivers.
It's funny you mention this - this is ridiculous, especially for us loyal few who have been patiently waiting for 3dfx to get their head out of their *ss. I would be content with a linux driver from 3dfx that was halfway decent. They're not even close to performance of the windows drivers, and yet NVIDIA linux users have some pretty solid drivers. Not a real strong argument for open source is it? My next card will be an NVIDIA, closed source or whatever...
I really honestly don't understand the anti-RH sentiment in the slashdot crowd. So far, my desktop machine has been running like a rock since the release (Don't know for server installations). I got accelerated Q3A running in record time, the GNOME desktop is damn stable, the only bug I've seen is that xmms doesn't shutdown very well (filed with both RH and xmms.org). I have tried every major distro and always end up with RH. Mandrake 7.0 and 7.1 were the buggiest, most windows-esque distributions ever, and yet, you won't find an anti-mandrake stuff on /., except for the release anouncements...
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RH employs a lot of smart people from the linux community. Would GNOME be as stable as it is today without the work of all the RHAD guys? I hope RH is successful and continues to agressively push linux in new directions
I don't get it ... my query reports 254 bugs for the whole distro. How did you guys get 2500??? I select RedHat Linux as the product, 7.0 as the version, and select all the statuses (statisi?). Some of these are dupes, and some are resolved ... so unless I'm mistaken, it looks some people need to work on their bugzilla skills, unless I'm wrong, of course.. :)
I just got off the phone with RHs pre-buyer tech support: She told me that indeed RH7 will install it's GNOME RPMS over Helix's ... I'm sure that you can probably get around this doing a custom install. When I asked her what "enhanced 3D support" meant she gave me the usual market speak. :)
If anyone knows (bero?) I'd like to know how this release supports 3Dfx chipsets, for some reason I've never gotten 3dfx.o to compile on my 6.2 system. RH please don't forget the importance of Q3A!! "Runs Q3A on 3Dfx out of the box" should have made it into the enhancements page! I guess I'll know for sure when the box gets here....
Anyone know what kind of USB support we can expect? I'm really looking forward to the day RH automagically detects my Handspring Visor USB instead of the current solution .....
These are pretty neat; anyone remember all the great music on the Genesis? I'll always remember the music for Thunder Force II and Herzog Zwei, which at the time was the closest thing to a RTS, and a freaking awesome 2 player game!!!
Doesn't junkbuster filter out all of this stuff already? I know it blocks the advertisements, but does anyone know if it blocks the information going the other way??
someone correct me if I'm wrong buit I beleive mandrake "forked" at 6.1. I don't remember RH6.1 and Mandrake 6.1 being related release wise ....
here's my take - the number of linux games seems to have doubled in these past few months. UT, Q3A, among others, and now JA2. What does this mean? The truly great games seem to be cross platform and transcend os boundaries ... who do we thank? I think John Carmack from id should get the big prize for this one. Years ago id said they ported to other os's because they thought it was just cool ... and now other companies have followed their lead. I've spent a week getting Q3A to run on my linux box with a voodoo3. I'm not experienced, so most of it was just me. But in a 6 months or less (hopefully), we'll have Xfree 4.0, new 3dfx drivers, and the whole process will just simplify (hell, we might even have mozilla) .. I think as a community, we need to recognize that the release of Q3A and UT for linux has really brought linux gaming out of the niche and into the mainstream, mainstream linux wise that is, is that mainstream or still niche? What am I talking about? :)
- jorge
The system they have now uses a pure web-based system (currently supplied by checkfree, but I've talked to them and they're
... not all banks do that so be careful and ask alot of questions....
building their own improved interface) for bill payment, bill presentment, etc. The interface they have is fairly nice. It's cool to
be able to tell it "Ok, every month pull down my phone bill and if it's not over X dollars, pay it automagically." They have a nice
system for statement download for checking, savings, and credit cards. They have a section for brokerage services, but I don't use
it so I can't comment on it. Personally, I'm happy with them. If for no other reason than when I call their tech support, I usually
get someone clueful.
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I use First Union and am totally happy with their system. They need a few interface improvements but overall it is a very slick interface. All my bills are paid automagically and the checks arrive when specified. I used to use Quicken for my services, but the turnaround on updating Quicken through First Union took like 5 days. In other words, look carefully at the turn around time that it takes your bank to update their online service. If it's not instant, then it takes the convinience out of online banking in the first place. For example, I can go around the corner, use the ATM, and when I get home my online checking balance is already updated
- jorge
So enlightenment crashes all the time. Hmmm... Is Linux more stable than Windows? Linux zealots boast that linux is more stable than windows; however, they never offer any actual proof.
... I believe most people either don't have the intelligence to use a computer OR they have substandard equipment. If a piece of hardware doesn't work on linux, then it probably sucks anyways. Example: Winmodems. If a person was computer literate in the first place, they would have never bought one for windows either.
.iso, irc'ing, listening to .mp3s, browsing, and cracking rc5 keys, on 4 virtual desktops, at once ... try that on windows ...
:)
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I still do not understand why people like you have this attitude. E on my mandrake 6.1 system runs fine. When I want to work, I load a light theme, when I want to show off, I load up a huge background and theme. I've run linux for about a year, and I never have had a problem with any major projects, with the exception of netscape. I am constantly amazed with the posts on the newsgroups / irc
As far as the "desktop wars" are concerned, everytime there is a new version, etc. we get dozens of posts about how bloated and slow it is. NO ONE IS SHOVING THESE DOWN YOUR THROAT!!! That's the beauty of linux, if you don't like it, don't use it!! There's something for everyone here. If you're a real linux fan, you'll be trying them all just to see what they can do anyway!! Right now I'm ripping/encoding a cd, burning an
I'm glad we have another fun toy to play with..
They want to make money off of all of the linux gamers out there that may be frustrated that they can't seem to get quake to work in X windows with their less then Voodoo 3 or GeForce 256. If their product was open source, then anybody could download the source code and save themselves 99 bucks.
... what's $100 to play Q3A in linux .. :)
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I see this from another perspective. I have a TNT1 that works great for Q1 and Q2 in Windows. Unfortuantely, the nvidia accelerated support sucks, so instead of opting for a TNT2 ultra or a Geforce I went with a Voodoo3 for Q3A. Why? As I see it, 3dfx has supported linux more in the past, and as far as nvidia is concerned, too little, too late, they should have released their drivers a long time ago. I'll spend my money on the companies that support linux, nvidia be damned!! Besides