Oh and one other thing. If it ia at 28nm that means there are probably 19 to 23 masking levels. This means just to tape out the masks they have to spend about $200k - $300k and that doesn't include any revs that will have to occur. Remember, this is JUST for the reticles. Include all the CMP and all the other hundreds of steps, you're easily talking about a cool $1.3 to $1.5M.
So they better run a lot of at least 18 wafers or so depending on yield.
I cannot think of a single time when anyone of us recruits conspired to get the DS back. I've never been so tired and hungry before in my life. The only plotting I did was in trying to stay invisible to the DS by doing everything as precise and expediant as possible. Oh and how to get a few extra apples out of the mess. Fuck up and I was pushing up dirt. Stay in line and go unnoticed.
You should enlist before you comment upon things you have no idea about.
It's funny. When Taco was here, I would read at least 3 posts a day directed to Taco about how much he sucked for what he was posting. Now i read at least that many more each day wishing he'd come back. Fickle bunch aren't we? Or is this a case of not loving what you've got until it's gone? Smile.
First, there isn't enough money in million+ income hands to balance the budget.
That's no reason why they shouldn't contribute to balancing it.
This smells like more class warfare shit,
Yeah, and the middle class is losing the war. We should start fighting back.
and now they'll tax the remaining producers into moving their assets out of the country. Maybe it'll get him re-elected, right? We'll worry about the economy in the 2nd term.
Nice disingenuous straw man there, Mr. Koch. This isn't about corporate taxes, this is about personal income tax. Why should Warren Buffett pay half the rate his secretary does? Buffet vs his secretary IS class warfare.
Why is it that you think I don't contribute? I'm pretty sick and tired of slackers telling me I don't contribute when 50% of filers pay no taxes and a good percentage of them get money back in addition to not paying ANY federal tax. Do you have any idea of how much I pay in taxes? Any? After you add up all the taxes I pay (fed, state, local, property, etc.), I'm lucky if I still have 37%.
Why is it that you feel I am only entitled to 37% of my own fucking money, while 50% of filers get to keep 100% or MORE?
I work my ass off for what I have and yet some snot nosed brat is going to tell me I don't pay my fair share?
When did slashdot become a bastion for the liberal? We used to be libertarians.
Now get off my lawn!
I agree completely. The first thing I saw was, download this script which will use sendmail to tell us all about you. I haven't used sendmail since '05 and I don't want to set it up just to let them know I'm using linux. I mean if google can tell everything about my computer from the web, why can't LiCo? More and more people use linux and some will look at you with a blank stare when you say sendmail.
You can bet that if Hongbin Suo in Towson MD had an unreleased iPhone in his house the Apple Police would be right there. But in this case, it's just a few hundred of their faceless customers...
Once you allow government to tax a "miniscule percentage", it will become a noose around our necks in three election cycles. The government needs no further ability to rob us of freedom.
So first, I have not read TFA, but there are at least two different types of people: those that take in data through visual presentation and those that prefer text and numbers.
When I was an engineer, I presented everything to my management in text and numbers that "any idiot" could quickly understand. Just a couple of slides with the essential bullet points and some "standard deviations and percentiles". I never knew why my managers ended up getting frustrated, bored, or began working "on other projects" during my presentations (which frankly, would piss me off).
Then I would sit there and suffer through the next presenter's, a "manager type", slide deck which would be 54 pages of kaleidoscopic, nightmarish explosion of pies and bars and have to crunch visual data into easily understandable numbers. "It takes 32 slides to say we're going to miss delivery by three days?"
Anyway, I would look around at my managers and see that they all paid attention and were involved during the presentation. "I'm never going to get promoted because they hate me!"
The problem with my presentations was how the data was being presented to different people in the room. People that gravitate toward management (those that make business decisions and rule your fate), are better with being presented images. They seem to need the information broken into visual chunks. It is very difficult for them to take data and turn it into something visual. That is extra work.
While I can take in data or a few facts and quickly turn those into charts "in my head"; without thinking about it, the data forms an image in my head.
So I had to learn that if I wanted people to pay attention, I needed to consider the audiences' style of data acquision and present in a way most comfortable for them and not as it made sense to me. Once I learned this skill I was invited to cross over to the dark side.
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Well, if we all had an RFID implant, then it could communicate with the ez-pass to confirm the number of occupants in the vehicle...
ducks...
Oh wait again, $20 bucks a piece? then they need about 375 wafers just to break even at 100% yield.
Oh and one other thing. If it ia at 28nm that means there are probably 19 to 23 masking levels. This means just to tape out the masks they have to spend about $200k - $300k and that doesn't include any revs that will have to occur. Remember, this is JUST for the reticles. Include all the CMP and all the other hundreds of steps, you're easily talking about a cool $1.3 to $1.5M.
So they better run a lot of at least 18 wafers or so depending on yield.
you mean 1000 units for 5 wafers?
Um... no.
I cannot think of a single time when anyone of us recruits conspired to get the DS back. I've never been so tired and hungry before in my life. The only plotting I did was in trying to stay invisible to the DS by doing everything as precise and expediant as possible. Oh and how to get a few extra apples out of the mess. Fuck up and I was pushing up dirt. Stay in line and go unnoticed.
You should enlist before you comment upon things you have no idea about.
It's funny. When Taco was here, I would read at least 3 posts a day directed to Taco about how much he sucked for what he was posting. Now i read at least that many more each day wishing he'd come back. Fickle bunch aren't we? Or is this a case of not loving what you've got until it's gone? Smile.
Yeah. I live in Ontario. Where my house is now, was under 1mi of ice less than 7k years ago.
I call shenanigans! The world was created just over 6000 years ago!
Now Geico will have one more place to stick their ads.
I was being sarcastic...
Yeah, now they'll just give it away... smile.
Global warming is causing an increase in wild yeast's ability to ferment the parrot's fruit diet.
Are you seriously suggesting these inhalers destroy the planet? Really?
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
Is it wrong to have found that funny?
Does the same hold true if Linux comes preinstalled and for some ungodly reason we want to install windows?
First, there isn't enough money in million+ income hands to balance the budget.
That's no reason why they shouldn't contribute to balancing it.
This smells like more class warfare shit,
Yeah, and the middle class is losing the war. We should start fighting back.
and now they'll tax the remaining producers into moving their assets out of the country. Maybe it'll get him re-elected, right? We'll worry about the economy in the 2nd term.
Nice disingenuous straw man there, Mr. Koch. This isn't about corporate taxes, this is about personal income tax. Why should Warren Buffett pay half the rate his secretary does? Buffet vs his secretary IS class warfare.
Why is it that you think I don't contribute? I'm pretty sick and tired of slackers telling me I don't contribute when 50% of filers pay no taxes and a good percentage of them get money back in addition to not paying ANY federal tax. Do you have any idea of how much I pay in taxes? Any? After you add up all the taxes I pay (fed, state, local, property, etc.), I'm lucky if I still have 37%. Why is it that you feel I am only entitled to 37% of my own fucking money, while 50% of filers get to keep 100% or MORE? I work my ass off for what I have and yet some snot nosed brat is going to tell me I don't pay my fair share? When did slashdot become a bastion for the liberal? We used to be libertarians. Now get off my lawn!
Yeah, I loaned my PS3 to my son while he's at his mother's. I wonder if I'm bound when he updates?
That's why I hunt and have learned how to build weapons from natural resources. Smile
There is probably a DARPA requirement to land on a ship (boat). That is usually how this stuff gets specified.
"...a ship (boat)." Thanks, I was confused.
I agree completely. The first thing I saw was, download this script which will use sendmail to tell us all about you. I haven't used sendmail since '05 and I don't want to set it up just to let them know I'm using linux. I mean if google can tell everything about my computer from the web, why can't LiCo? More and more people use linux and some will look at you with a blank stare when you say sendmail.
..., But Not CA
For some reason my mind actually read that as "..., But No Cigar". Good Job.
I read it as, "..., but not California". SMILE
You can bet that if Hongbin Suo in Towson MD had an unreleased iPhone in his house the Apple Police would be right there. But in this case, it's just a few hundred of their faceless customers...
Once you allow government to tax a "miniscule percentage", it will become a noose around our necks in three election cycles. The government needs no further ability to rob us of freedom.
So first, I have not read TFA, but there are at least two different types of people: those that take in data through visual presentation and those that prefer text and numbers.
When I was an engineer, I presented everything to my management in text and numbers that "any idiot" could quickly understand. Just a couple of slides with the essential bullet points and some "standard deviations and percentiles". I never knew why my managers ended up getting frustrated, bored, or began working "on other projects" during my presentations (which frankly, would piss me off).
Then I would sit there and suffer through the next presenter's, a "manager type", slide deck which would be 54 pages of kaleidoscopic, nightmarish explosion of pies and bars and have to crunch visual data into easily understandable numbers. "It takes 32 slides to say we're going to miss delivery by three days?"
Anyway, I would look around at my managers and see that they all paid attention and were involved during the presentation. "I'm never going to get promoted because they hate me!"
The problem with my presentations was how the data was being presented to different people in the room. People that gravitate toward management (those that make business decisions and rule your fate), are better with being presented images. They seem to need the information broken into visual chunks. It is very difficult for them to take data and turn it into something visual. That is extra work.
While I can take in data or a few facts and quickly turn those into charts "in my head"; without thinking about it, the data forms an image in my head.
So I had to learn that if I wanted people to pay attention, I needed to consider the audiences' style of data acquision and present in a way most comfortable for them and not as it made sense to me. Once I learned this skill I was invited to cross over to the dark side.