oh, and even as a poor student I once turned down a job selling Gas door to door. Mind you, door to door is way below the belt even when compared to telemarketing / dead tree spam
'If you're part of the solution, you're part of the problem.' as the say goes. Maybe they do need a job, but they're still cold-calling and so they are not exactly innocent parties. If they're innocent, then what about the manager that instigates the marketing campaign? After all, they're just trying to do their regular job like the rest of us. Can we blame the company, after all, it's just trying to make a profit from it's time like the rest of do. Where exactly do you draw the line? Personally I do so at anyone who is willingly involved.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be a heartless bastard, I'd rather just waste the time of those at the top of the chain but thats not always possible.
Say for example that all cold-calling had to be opt-in. So few people would opt in that there'd be hardly any market for it. Consequently, the wouldn't be a great number of jobs in it. And that same person wouldn't even have a job to receive a paycheck for. At the end of the day, the two are intertwined - you can't hurt the idea of telemarketing without also hurting the person's paycheck.
So until the day that goverments decide to make it opt-in, the best way to hurt the idea of cold-calling is to make the job such a poor earner that nobody will do it.
The How Long Will They Wait Test If telemarketers are prepared to waste your time you should waste theirs. When they call, say you're interested but just a second and lay the phone down. Return a few minutes later and either hang up the phone or laugh at them if they're still on the phone.
The Parrot Approach Do the old, copy them approach. Once you know it telemarkers, simply repeat them word for word. The conversation will get nowhere slowly and it will put them in the unusual position of having to be the one to terminate the call.
I'm Interested But I'm A Complete Idiot Approach This involves asking them as many question, preferibly including some rather idiotic questions. Keep this going for as long as you can without ever agreeing to anything or giving them any information. Given that they are generating sales they will happiliy carry on their sales pitch.
The "I'm On Watch Out Jeremy Beadles About, aren't I" Approach This involves refusing to believe that they are trying to sell something but its really a prank call by a TV show.
The Swithcback Manouver "I'm afraid not, but while you're on the phone would you like to be some double glazing?" Confuse them switching roles, be "agresive" and make them feel guilty for not taking you up on your sales offer.
Damn, one mouse click away from $1000! Why did I have to go and install it so efficiently? Well, thats not quite true, I'm in the wrong country but why can't something like that happen to me! Now, wheres that screwdriver, I think I'll go and poke myself in the eye.
There seem quite a few people concerned about it not working because problems will be too complex. Two cases that this could be so suited too. Both effective yet so simple. 1 - the clockwork radio. 2- The guy that recenbtly realised that if you put one pot inside another, fill the gap with wet sand, the evaporation of the water makes it act as a crude fridge. The idea is now sweeping across africa & co. In both cases, the execution is so simple it was the original idea that eluded everybody. This is the sort of thing that ThinkCycle could achieve.
Layers not slices - if that makes sense. You're not all trying to solve a slice of the same task. Everybody considers the same problem, people put forward possible solutions until some good ones are found. Then you take one of the proposed solutions and look at it in slightly more depth. What are the questions that it poses? Possible solutions for that? Eventually over time, constantly looking at the problem in slightly more depth, making decisions as it progresses, you'll hopefully end up with a basic solution. Although, I imagine unlike software, to actually put stuff in to practice will take a real-world team?
Why limit "open source ethos" to advancing the human race? Why not use it to get the average/. geek laid? Yes, all of you with your spare sex cycles, come together [no pun intended] and embace the wonder of the human body!
"And here we have a piece of early christian art, from around 500AD, depicting the naked Adam and Eve. This can be compared to this on the right, Leisure Suit Larry. Note the Modernist influences and interesting use of sqaures...."
I hate to be picky but theres more to live than games and music. You're optimisation would go all wrong on ThisArticle.about()==DCMA, which Sony has used before.
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"What this gets at is that an opinion is a very personal thing to each individual. You hold the opinion that you are smart enough to tell others that theirs are wrong. That is certainly debatable."
Well given the destructive mentality of the average virus writer, expect to see the I Love My Modem (to go really slow) Outlook virus, and the resulting porn withdrawl symptoms when everyone wonders why they're only getting a download speed of 56k!
..ah,. thats old hat. They demostrated a system like that a few years back on Tomorrows World (BBC, UK). But I expect you were all off drippling over Xena or Buffy......
I've never played on-line poker for money, and I've often see advice saying that you should just stick clear even if its a reputable 'casino'. Apprently its common practice for groups of friends to all play at the same table and share their card info. Imagine the results if you did that using this program!
You've got me wrong - I'm a believer in evolution. My "By a single generation, that is true." comment was maybe not phased as well as it could have been. "Its very unlikely that large scale evolution will ever be witness first hand during the lifetime any a single person." is maybe a bit clearly. (and small scale evolution has clearly been proven) But all thats beside the point, which was that now we've gained intelligence [well, some of us!] and the ability to keep records, as long as we're patient we have the opportunity to record evolution in action. (Now, could somebody else mod my post back up? )
The problem is, encrypting email is a lot less automatic than when encryption is used for secure web transactions. When I visit and want to buy something I don't have to manually get their key, click the encrypt button, enter keys, send. No all you have to do is check that you've entered a secure zone. If in email programs all you had to do was click the "use encryption" tickbox and have the program sort all the details out then a lot more people would use encryption.
Science is a spend once case, 'human services' are continously spend. Spend a million dollars on some research and what ever you learn is learnt. Spend a million dollars on a new hospital and well, next year the hospital will require another million dollars just to stay at square one. Hence a pound (or dollar in the case of NASA) spend on science is worth a million spend on services. Improving the living standards is a never ending cycle and if you stopped funding science 'until life standards are at an acceptable level' you'd never actually get around to restarting funding science again. Now I'm not saying that we shouldn't fund services, we clearly should but you do also have to fund science if you want to actually progess.
I remember TD3 fondly, way ahead of its time with the truely free nature of the game. A start point, an end point and a completely free world between. But for TD4 they seemed to take several steps back and go back to the linear stuff. Boring!
Damn shame they didn't build in a speed control function to TD3, have you tried to play it on a PIII?!!
I think you'll find we gave you every single word of the above. (if you ignore that we probabily stole it from latin/french/german/spanish/etc first:) )
So you're saying that when the police come and say "Can we have your PGP key please?" you should blow them away? And exactly how would that help?
BTW, read this today in the Sunday Times:
Twiglet Terror is new top banana of the fruit and veg villains
"The centre for criminological research at Oxford University has found that robbers are increasingly using their fingers, cucumbers and candles as "bluff" guns. Another survey found that a shortage of readily available firearms meant that in 70% of attempted "armed" robberies in Britain, the raiders either used a toy gun or a banana wrapped in a bag."
I was always under the impression that english can infact be quite a difficult language to learn?
English being my first langauge and only one I can reall speak [my school learnt german is in a state of disrepair] but I've heard many times that its not the easiest of languages to pick up.
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oh, and even as a poor student I once turned down a job selling Gas door to door. Mind you, door to door is way below the belt even when compared to telemarketing / dead tree spam
'If you're part of the solution, you're part of the problem.' as the say goes. Maybe they do need a job, but they're still cold-calling and so they are not exactly innocent parties. If they're innocent, then what about the manager that instigates the marketing campaign? After all, they're just trying to do their regular job like the rest of us. Can we blame the company, after all, it's just trying to make a profit from it's time like the rest of do. Where exactly do you draw the line? Personally I do so at anyone who is willingly involved.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be a heartless bastard, I'd rather just waste the time of those at the top of the chain but thats not always possible.
Say for example that all cold-calling had to be opt-in. So few people would opt in that there'd be hardly any market for it. Consequently, the wouldn't be a great number of jobs in it. And that same person wouldn't even have a job to receive a paycheck for. At the end of the day, the two are intertwined - you can't hurt the idea of telemarketing without also hurting the person's paycheck.
So until the day that goverments decide to make it opt-in, the best way to hurt the idea of cold-calling is to make the job such a poor earner that nobody will do it.
The How Long Will They Wait Test
If telemarketers are prepared to waste your time you should waste theirs. When they call, say you're interested but just a second and lay the phone down. Return a few minutes later and either hang up the phone or laugh at them if they're still on the phone.
The Parrot Approach
Do the old, copy them approach. Once you know it telemarkers, simply repeat them word for word. The conversation will get nowhere slowly and it will put them in the unusual position of having to be the one to terminate the call.
I'm Interested But I'm A Complete Idiot Approach
This involves asking them as many question, preferibly including some rather idiotic questions. Keep this going for as long as you can without ever agreeing to anything or giving them any information. Given that they are generating sales they will happiliy carry on their sales pitch.
The "I'm On Watch Out Jeremy Beadles About, aren't I" Approach
This involves refusing to believe that they are trying to sell something but its really a prank call by a TV show.
The Swithcback Manouver
"I'm afraid not, but while you're on the phone would you like to be some double glazing?" Confuse them switching roles, be "agresive" and make them feel guilty for not taking you up on your sales offer.
Any more suggestions?
Damn, one mouse click away from $1000! Why did I have to go and install it so efficiently? Well, thats not quite true, I'm in the wrong country but why can't something like that happen to me! Now, wheres that screwdriver, I think I'll go and poke myself in the eye.
Well by my calculation its had 9 posts in 43 minutes of exisitance. Surely that must be a record in recent times?
Although, this is where everybody tells me I just need to refresh my browser and I get modded down to -10: Idiot!
Just get the originals and stick them in your floppy drive. It'll work, no really it will. Will Smith showed me.
Lh lood, L Lnti Licrosoft Ltory, L Las Letting Lnti Licrosoft Lithdrawl Lymptoms. Lhank Lod Lor Llashdot!
Okay, maybe thats not quite so funny as I thought it was going to be!
Um, line 9...ahhh, see it is always Microsoft's fault !
There seem quite a few people concerned about it not working because problems will be too complex. Two cases that this could be so suited too. Both effective yet so simple. 1 - the clockwork radio. 2- The guy that recenbtly realised that if you put one pot inside another, fill the gap with wet sand, the evaporation of the water makes it act as a crude fridge. The idea is now sweeping across africa & co. In both cases, the execution is so simple it was the original idea that eluded everybody. This is the sort of thing that ThinkCycle could achieve.
Layers not slices - if that makes sense. You're not all trying to solve a slice of the same task. Everybody considers the same problem, people put forward possible solutions until some good ones are found. Then you take one of the proposed solutions and look at it in slightly more depth. What are the questions that it poses? Possible solutions for that? Eventually over time, constantly looking at the problem in slightly more depth, making decisions as it progresses, you'll hopefully end up with a basic solution. Although, I imagine unlike software, to actually put stuff in to practice will take a real-world team?
Why limit "open source ethos" to advancing the human race? Why not use it to get the average /. geek laid? Yes, all of you with your spare sex cycles, come together [no pun intended] and embace the wonder of the human body!
* puts on his tin hat and hides under the desk *
"And here we have a piece of early christian art, from around 500AD, depicting the naked Adam and Eve. This can be compared to this on the right, Leisure Suit Larry. Note the Modernist influences and interesting use of sqaures...."
I hate to be picky but theres more to live than games and music. You're optimisation would go all wrong on ThisArticle.about()==DCMA, which Sony has used before.
if (ThisArticle.about()==Music)
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Sony.opinion(hate);
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Sony.opinion(like);
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Sony.opinion(hate);
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Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments
Well given the destructive mentality of the average virus writer, expect to see the I Love My Modem (to go really slow) Outlook virus, and the resulting porn withdrawl symptoms when everyone wonders why they're only getting a download speed of 56k!
..ah,. thats old hat. They demostrated a system like that a few years back on Tomorrows World (BBC, UK). But I expect you were all off drippling over Xena or Buffy......
I've never played on-line poker for money, and I've often see advice saying that you should just stick clear even if its a reputable 'casino'. Apprently its common practice for groups of friends to all play at the same table and share their card info. Imagine the results if you did that using this program!
You've got me wrong - I'm a believer in evolution. My "By a single generation, that is true." comment was maybe not phased as well as it could have been. "Its very unlikely that large scale evolution will ever be witness first hand during the lifetime any a single person." is maybe a bit clearly. (and small scale evolution has clearly been proven) But all thats beside the point, which was that now we've gained intelligence [well, some of us!] and the ability to keep records, as long as we're patient we have the opportunity to record evolution in action. (Now, could somebody else mod my post back up? )
The problem is, encrypting email is a lot less automatic than when encryption is used for secure web transactions. When I visit and want to buy something I don't have to manually get their key, click the encrypt button, enter keys, send. No all you have to do is check that you've entered a secure zone. If in email programs all you had to do was click the "use encryption" tickbox and have the program sort all the details out then a lot more people would use encryption.
Science is a spend once case, 'human services' are continously spend. Spend a million dollars on some research and what ever you learn is learnt. Spend a million dollars on a new hospital and well, next year the hospital will require another million dollars just to stay at square one. Hence a pound (or dollar in the case of NASA) spend on science is worth a million spend on services. Improving the living standards is a never ending cycle and if you stopped funding science 'until life standards are at an acceptable level' you'd never actually get around to restarting funding science again. Now I'm not saying that we shouldn't fund services, we clearly should but you do also have to fund science if you want to actually progess.
I remember TD3 fondly, way ahead of its time with the truely free nature of the game. A start point, an end point and a completely free world between. But for TD4 they seemed to take several steps back and go back to the linear stuff. Boring! Damn shame they didn't build in a speed control function to TD3, have you tried to play it on a PIII?!!
Theres a PC version of Powermonger too, had a copy back in the days of my old trusty 386.
I think you'll find we gave you every single word of the above. (if you ignore that we probabily stole it from latin/french/german/spanish/etc first :) )
BTW, read this today in the Sunday Times: Twiglet Terror is new top banana of the fruit and veg villains "The centre for criminological research at Oxford University has found that robbers are increasingly using their fingers, cucumbers and candles as "bluff" guns. Another survey found that a shortage of readily available firearms meant that in 70% of attempted "armed" robberies in Britain, the raiders either used a toy gun or a banana wrapped in a bag."
I was always under the impression that english can infact be quite a difficult language to learn? English being my first langauge and only one I can reall speak [my school learnt german is in a state of disrepair] but I've heard many times that its not the easiest of languages to pick up.