I would be real surprised to see these being dual core particularly with all the problems they are having cooling the single core parts and getting them to 2.5GHz. If you want dual core for servers then you should be looking at the HP dual core Opteron blades that are for sale now. Yes, this is not some Intel paper launch. Vendors are selling them a week prior to the official release. It is also the 2 year anniversary of the Opteron as well.
Having worked at Dell, and running AMDZone for almost 7 years I can safely say you are misinformed. AMD has a variety of fab deals, and a new 300mm 65nm Fab 36 running test wafers right now. They have plenty of capacity to handle a few orders from Dull. After all the white box market is far larger than Dull,and they handle that fine don't they? Sure, when I saw their internal testing results in 99, the Athlon was clearly faster than the PIII, but stability was not there yet. It was a chipset issue, that has long since been resolved. If you think anything else you are misinformed. Yeah, I don't have enough fingers to count how many crashing Dulls I've worked on over the years here Austin. Think of another excuse, or wait, you work at Dell or Intel? Probably an engineer on Parmer eh?
yeah, it is about steam, and about counterstrike players, and bad attitudes. if this was korea, and we had 100mb pipes it would be great, but the reality is steam sucks up so much bandwidth you can not have several hundred people on it. it wil do things like take down wayport like it did last summer for us, and steam will decide it needs to update a game twice, or say your tickets are expired, or say you don't have access to a game you do own. i've seen it all. or a server will die that is an auth server, no one will know till hours later when it gets reported, and you have 1 guy on a cs team that can't join. ffa hl2 is much more managable, and hopefully will not be trouble, although i was up till 5 in the morning finishing our hl2 ffa dm tourney because it kept kicking players mid match. yeah, steam as a distribution system is fine for those on broadband. steam as an authentication system for a large lan is not acceptable. there should be a server we can run on our lan that gives out steam updates, and takes authentification information and transmits it to valve. that is the way it should be done. it should not be 500 computers doing that at once, it should be one server doing that. unless you can get a huge fat pipe, which 99.9% of the time will not be available, and the.1% will not be affordable, it is not plausible to do a large tourney with steam. we had a big update the night before the lan. we had to update 43 tourney boxes over a crappy SBC dsl connection. it took all night long. then players showed up that had not updated. imagine the pain in the ass that will become? it delays everything. unless you have 10's of thousands of dollars to throw away on cs, which we don't, you probably are not going to run a cs tourney. unless of course you hack it, which we refuse to do. some events do that, but can you blame them? it is hard to. so give us a server we can use to auth and update, that is what we need. till then? bring on battlefield 2 and quake 4! anyway, this is why in Houston tomorrow and at our big lan here in Austin April 22nd-24th we will not be doing CS. HL2 we will try, but even then, it will probably have to be offline mode only. Of course I guess we could do Xbox CS.:)
you heard me, where is my car? almost 7 years of this and i still have not gotten a car.
why couldn't have charlie posted this before the amd editors day so we could talk about it there? damn you charlie, and your little rob too! watch out at e3!
ahh, modded down by unintelligent apple zealots, i love when that happens. facts are BeOS was far superior to anything Apple had, or Jobs had at the time. Facts are that is why you are staring at 2% worldwide marketshare, instead of being 50/50 with MS/Intel. Facts are that you are a complete idiot if you think owning the audio player market is more important than owning the PC market. Guess what, if you are running a Mac now you are getting about half the performance I am on my SFF at 3 times the price. Enjoy it losers. And mod this down to. The truth hurts eh?
Think of how much better the world would be if Apple chose BeOS over Jobs. I'm happy to see something coming our way from its legacy. It kicked some ass in its time.
driver support has increased vastly. driver support was the main reason the os had not shipped. it will include more drivers than have been released to date. of course, what do i know? i post every damn 64 bit driver for linux or windows or freebsd that comes out, and you can search for them here.
number of gamers at our lans with a mac, out of about 2000 the past 2 years
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frames per second less by using a mac to play doom, at a price premium of 50%-100%
30
Something makes me think that first person shooters and mac users don't exactly occupy the same market sector. In fact I know they don't, out of a couple thousand computers we have not had a one checked in. I guess you are right though, there are several games that Aspyr down on 6th, about 10 minutes from here have ported over, of course the majority of those are pre 2000 games, except UT2004/3 and Doom 3.
Sims is really the only one that would have cross market potential between the mac market. I would estimate out of real gamers, Apple probably has a.05% share, with Linux having a factor of 10 times that amount maybe.
Don't believe me? Come to our big lan next month and try and find a Mac.
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We posted pictures here and here of the VIA SLI last month from AMD's tech tour in Houston. More interesting is our pics of the Tyan dual nForce 4 chipset board. That is two nForce 4 chipsets, two full 16X PCI Express slots, and two CPU sockets for Opteron.
No, it is not all software raid. Yeah, plenty of people do. Wow, so software firewalls are good, but software raid is bad now? Well I would think if you were deploying a load of systems in enterprise you would like the good ethernet, and firewall, not to mention unified drivers. But that is why no one uses nForce amongst the linux community right?
If you had then you would have read my report on Nvidia working on Linux system utilities, and continuing to improve their graphic drivers particularly focusing on DCC. Yeah, Nvidia can not open source their drivers due to licensing issues. What are they supposed to do? I think I will take the GiGE, advanced SATA RAID, advanced firewall, and best in class performance. Yeah, we are all pulling for Soundstorm to come back, but because the motherboard vendors didn't want it we lost it in nForce 3. You really need to learn more about what is going on with Nvidia before you criticize. I suppose most of you slashdotters complaining in this thread aren't paying attention.
Forceware ported to Linux is good. Support in the Kernel is good. Support for 64 bit in Linux is good. Support for FreeBSD is good. Advanced SATA RAID far past what Intel has is good. GigE superior to Intel or any other chip maker is good. Hardware and software firewall superior to what Intel or any other chipmaker has is good.
Yeah, real big deal having to install closed drivers, and miss out on those features. I think plenty of people will, and Nvidia is the preferred solution for AMD users running Linux exactly for these reasons. Is Slashdot behind the times?
This is the exact level headed and tolerant views that 48% of America possesses. Attitudes like this will surely help leading us to the new UNtopia of the coming decades as they begin their new Oil for Peace program. As conservatives, as independants, and libertarians, let us all kneel down before our humbly superior Democratic brethren and allow them to show us the way.
there are at least two? I think you meant at least 10. We have had 17 lan parties the past two years. There have been exactly 0 macs out of about 2,500 computers that have come through the door. Why? Incredibly overpriced computers. Incredibly poor and several generations behind video cards for the price. Playing Battlefied two years late isn't exactly cutting edge. Apple has done nothing to court gamers, and the one nut at quakecon this year doesn't count.
that is an incredible assumption with no basis. perhaps one would realize that in fact there is less heat dissapated by AMD CPUs than Tom's Hardware Guide has led everyone to believe. Perhaps if you are paying attention you would probably say because they don't put off that much heat, that is why you can put your hand on the heatsink. That is the actual case. It it was not dissapating heat correctly then there would be stability issues.
We posted our 90nm Athlon 64 review last week that includes a comparison against the 130nm Athlon 64, and the 90 and 130nm P4. It also includes overclocking of the CPU.
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I would be real surprised to see these being dual core particularly with all the problems they are having cooling the single core parts and getting them to 2.5GHz. If you want dual core for servers then you should be looking at the HP dual core Opteron blades that are for sale now. Yes, this is not some Intel paper launch. Vendors are selling them a week prior to the official release. It is also the 2 year anniversary of the Opteron as well.
Having worked at Dell, and running AMDZone for almost 7 years I can safely say you are misinformed. AMD has a variety of fab deals, and a new 300mm 65nm Fab 36 running test wafers right now. They have plenty of capacity to handle a few orders from Dull. After all the white box market is far larger than Dull,and they handle that fine don't they? Sure, when I saw their internal testing results in 99, the Athlon was clearly faster than the PIII, but stability was not there yet. It was a chipset issue, that has long since been resolved. If you think anything else you are misinformed. Yeah, I don't have enough fingers to count how many crashing Dulls I've worked on over the years here Austin. Think of another excuse, or wait, you work at Dell or Intel? Probably an engineer on Parmer eh?
yeah, it is about steam, and about counterstrike players, and bad attitudes. if this was korea, and we had 100mb pipes it would be great, but the reality is steam sucks up so much bandwidth you can not have several hundred people on it. it wil do things like take down wayport like it did last summer for us, and steam will decide it needs to update a game twice, or say your tickets are expired, or say you don't have access to a game you do own. i've seen it all. or a server will die that is an auth server, no one will know till hours later when it gets reported, and you have 1 guy on a cs team that can't join. ffa hl2 is much more managable, and hopefully will not be trouble, although i was up till 5 in the morning finishing our hl2 ffa dm tourney because it kept kicking players mid match. yeah, steam as a distribution system is fine for those on broadband. steam as an authentication system for a large lan is not acceptable. there should be a server we can run on our lan that gives out steam updates, and takes authentification information and transmits it to valve. that is the way it should be done. it should not be 500 computers doing that at once, it should be one server doing that. unless you can get a huge fat pipe, which 99.9% of the time will not be available, and the .1% will not be affordable, it is not plausible to do a large tourney with steam. we had a big update the night before the lan. we had to update 43 tourney boxes over a crappy SBC dsl connection. it took all night long. then players showed up that had not updated. imagine the pain in the ass that will become? it delays everything. unless you have 10's of thousands of dollars to throw away on cs, which we don't, you probably are not going to run a cs tourney. unless of course you hack it, which we refuse to do. some events do that, but can you blame them? it is hard to. so give us a server we can use to auth and update, that is what we need. till then? bring on battlefield 2 and quake 4! anyway, this is why in Houston tomorrow and at our big lan here in Austin April 22nd-24th we will not be doing CS. HL2 we will try, but even then, it will probably have to be offline mode only. Of course I guess we could do Xbox CS. :)
funny, i've never once heard of anyone charging to post a review.
yeah, scott is cool, and i sell ads for him, so visit tech report a lot, and click on things. :)
you heard me, where is my car? almost 7 years of this and i still have not gotten a car.
why couldn't have charlie posted this before the amd editors day so we could talk about it there? damn you charlie, and your little rob too! watch out at e3!
ahh, modded down by unintelligent apple zealots, i love when that happens. facts are BeOS was far superior to anything Apple had, or Jobs had at the time. Facts are that is why you are staring at 2% worldwide marketshare, instead of being 50/50 with MS/Intel. Facts are that you are a complete idiot if you think owning the audio player market is more important than owning the PC market. Guess what, if you are running a Mac now you are getting about half the performance I am on my SFF at 3 times the price. Enjoy it losers. And mod this down to. The truth hurts eh?
Well for you newbies I'll spell it out for you.
1. Apple would have a real multitasking and multimedia OS several years earlier.
2. Powercomputing
This would lead to a market where PowerPC based computers were fighting Wintel head to head. Now we have Apple fighting Creative head to head. Boring.
Think of how much better the world would be if Apple chose BeOS over Jobs. I'm happy to see something coming our way from its legacy. It kicked some ass in its time.
driver support has increased vastly. driver support was the main reason the os had not shipped. it will include more drivers than have been released to date. of course, what do i know? i post every damn 64 bit driver for linux or windows or freebsd that comes out, and you can search for them here.
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number of gamers at our lans with a mac, out of about 2000 the past 2 years 0 frames per second less by using a mac to play doom, at a price premium of 50%-100% 30 Something makes me think that first person shooters and mac users don't exactly occupy the same market sector. In fact I know they don't, out of a couple thousand computers we have not had a one checked in. I guess you are right though, there are several games that Aspyr down on 6th, about 10 minutes from here have ported over, of course the majority of those are pre 2000 games, except UT2004/3 and Doom 3. Sims is really the only one that would have cross market potential between the mac market. I would estimate out of real gamers, Apple probably has a .05% share, with Linux having a factor of 10 times that amount maybe.
Don't believe me? Come to our big lan next month and try and find a Mac.
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back when the Inquirer did it two years ago. Or was it three?
remains at 2% worldwide. How have they verified these numbers? It is not showing up in any computer industry marketshare studies.
We posted pictures here and here of the VIA SLI last month from AMD's tech tour in Houston. More interesting is our pics of the Tyan dual nForce 4 chipset board. That is two nForce 4 chipsets, two full 16X PCI Express slots, and two CPU sockets for Opteron.
No, it is not all software raid. Yeah, plenty of people do. Wow, so software firewalls are good, but software raid is bad now? Well I would think if you were deploying a load of systems in enterprise you would like the good ethernet, and firewall, not to mention unified drivers. But that is why no one uses nForce amongst the linux community right?
If you had then you would have read my report on Nvidia working on Linux system utilities, and continuing to improve their graphic drivers particularly focusing on DCC. Yeah, Nvidia can not open source their drivers due to licensing issues. What are they supposed to do? I think I will take the GiGE, advanced SATA RAID, advanced firewall, and best in class performance. Yeah, we are all pulling for Soundstorm to come back, but because the motherboard vendors didn't want it we lost it in nForce 3. You really need to learn more about what is going on with Nvidia before you criticize. I suppose most of you slashdotters complaining in this thread aren't paying attention.
Forceware ported to Linux is good.
Support in the Kernel is good.
Support for 64 bit in Linux is good.
Support for FreeBSD is good.
Advanced SATA RAID far past what Intel has is good.
GigE superior to Intel or any other chip maker is good.
Hardware and software firewall superior to what Intel or any other chipmaker has is good.
Yeah, real big deal having to install closed drivers, and miss out on those features. I think plenty of people will, and Nvidia is the preferred solution for AMD users running Linux exactly for these reasons. Is Slashdot behind the times?
wow, generalizations are suited so well to posts that will be forgotten as soon as it falls off the front page.
Funny, all of my web servers run FreeBSD, since 1998 we have used it. Try again won't you?
This is the exact level headed and tolerant views that 48% of America possesses. Attitudes like this will surely help leading us to the new UNtopia of the coming decades as they begin their new Oil for Peace program. As conservatives, as independants, and libertarians, let us all kneel down before our humbly superior Democratic brethren and allow them to show us the way.
Fuck! When, Lord when? When's gonna be my time?"
We are lucky that these results come from the most non partisian and level headed learning institution and region in the nation.
there are at least two? I think you meant at least 10. We have had 17 lan parties the past two years. There have been exactly 0 macs out of about 2,500 computers that have come through the door. Why? Incredibly overpriced computers. Incredibly poor and several generations behind video cards for the price. Playing Battlefied two years late isn't exactly cutting edge. Apple has done nothing to court gamers, and the one nut at quakecon this year doesn't count.
that is an incredible assumption with no basis. perhaps one would realize that in fact there is less heat dissapated by AMD CPUs than Tom's Hardware Guide has led everyone to believe. Perhaps if you are paying attention you would probably say because they don't put off that much heat, that is why you can put your hand on the heatsink. That is the actual case. It it was not dissapating heat correctly then there would be stability issues.
Cray has announced a lot of different sales of the XD1 the past couple of weeks. We have all the details here.
We posted our 90nm Athlon 64 review last week that includes a comparison against the 130nm Athlon 64, and the 90 and 130nm P4. It also includes overclocking of the CPU.
I bought one of these Dlink internet cameras at Fry's, and it works pretty darn good checking in on my little newborn girl. She is 9 days old. :)