In conclusion the Athlon 64 3000+ is one of the best CPUs AMD has never announced. It makes a sub $1,000 system that is 64 bit capable easy to reach, and is able to perform quite admirably even with half of the cache of the other AMD64 CPUs. Will AMD make more 512kb cache Athlon 64s in the near future? How long will Socket 754 continue? Is this 3000+ an overclocker of merit? Stay tuned. For now if you have been craving for a powerful and cheap system with 64 bit onboard then the Athlon 64 3000+ is your CPU. It has no competition in its class, and likely will not for months to come.
Let's see, 1 year since Slashdot has approved a story I've submitted. Let's keep the streak alive!;) HP shipping Mandrake biz PCs. Who cares!
I think perhaps many of you don't realize how close nForce is tied to Xbox, and hence to Microsoft. nForce was developed for the Xbox of course, and then transferred over into a chipset for Athlon and new Athlon 64/Opteron. Couldn't Microsoft be a force behind these troubles considering the money they provided that paid for much of the nForce development?
Those are features of Socket 940 boards like the Tyan, and other workstation Athlon 64 FX/Opteron motherboards. Don't expect those on enthusiast/desktop boards.
Thanks guys. We also have the first DDR400 cas 2 benchmarks with Athlon 64 FX. Previously registered DDR400 would only run at Cas 2.5.:) We compare with the same OCZ memory at Cas 2 and Cas 2.5.
It should be noted that every Mac cultist ignores AMD. I'm sorry, but AMD has the most price effective clusters bar none. Do a little research before you start flapping about the Mac guys. Don't Mac users know what Google is, or are they all stuck using AOL search? Athlon MP, Opteron. Hello. Why build a more expensive and slower cluster on the G5 when you can have it faster, cheaper, and far more scalable with Opteron? It does not make sense. If I was a VT alumni I'd be calling for heads to roll.
Yeah, ok, they all use the Asus SK8N motherboard which offers SATA RAID, Ethernet, 6 channel audio with SPDIF connector, support for 8GB memory, PATA RAID, Firewire, USB 2, full overclocking support including clock multiplier, and dual channel DDR400. Not many features eh? You really should do some research, something Mac cultists seem to find impossible. Hmm, Polywell offers them with a DVD burner. Again, a poor researcher posts.
Do some research before you post. There is no 64 bit OS available for the G5. There are several for AMD64. How are they to test 64 bit on the Mac with no OS available?
If you knew anything about Quake you would realize it won't even use 32MB of memory on the video card. Guess what, Opteron and Athlon 64 is much faster than the G5. It has to be with a faster bus and onboard memory controller. Stop trying to deny that.
Not too impressive I must say. I also don't quite like the ignorant IT comment particularly since my experience shows Mac users tend to be ingnorant as far to computer knowledge. I wonder why in times of shrinking IT budgets that they wouldn't want to deploy boxes that cost three times as much? Why isn't that overpriced Xserve dominating the server market? Because there are better and cheaper products for every market segment except the cutesy computers lovers Apple wins over. That 2% can't see inside the box. If the author was a real expert he would try and bring in a system to use that he hand built, like when I was going to upgrade my system when I was in IT at Dell with an Athlon. Now that would impress me. Not knowing how to integrate a Mac into his work and then being hypocritical enough to blame ignorant IT doesn't.
Training kids to use a computer only 2% will use in real life is foolish. Supporting Dell is another foolish thing. Small form factors based on VIA's mini ITX is the smart thing to do. Cheaper, smaller, less power consumption, and you have the flexibility to run any number of opterating systems. Having had a mother who is a teacher, and an uncle superintendent I have seen zero savings from Mac usage. I could not recommend them and feel good about it. I can recommend MINI ITX small form factors, and not blink.
AMD fanboys, take note: The G5 does have superior floating-point hardware, for either double precision superscalar or vector single precision work. If they're doing floating point the G5 is a clear win. The memory bus on the G5 is a bit better than on the Opterons - especially once you start doing threaded work, the dual unidirectional buses essentially allow cache transfers at the same time as memory transfers, and a whole bunch of other possibilities. Lastly, what are you smoking? The only way an AMD becomes competitive with a G5 (machine to machine here) is if you build the AMD yourself and leave out the stuff the G5 has in it. Are you suggesting that Virginia Tech build 1100 Opteron, no, 4400 Opteron systems (you said 4x, not me!) themselves? That's crazy. They want somebody else to build and test the machines, and that somebody to be responsible when they fail. Of course such a real-world advantage has little to do with the bubble most/.ers live in, because they build their Athlons themselves. Perhaps the reality distortion field merely applies to introducing reality to people who have never seen it before.
Apple won't give out review systems to real computer hardware sites, and so we have no proof I'm aware of. If you do I want to see your head to head tests of G5 and Opteron in single, dual, quad, and clusters since you obviously have proof and have tested all of this. You can now get two flavors of Windows, 3 Linux flavors, and FreeBSD is around the corner for AMD64. Where are all the 64 bit G5 operating systems again? Apache is ported, mysql is ported, Seti@Home, etc, etc. Where are all the OSX 64 bit program ports?
...scores, against Opteron, Athlon, Itanium, Power4, and real SPEC scores for the P4 and Xeon. What I found was a huge gap in peformance. I find it difficult to believe Jobs, and I found that Opteron, a the true first available 64 bit workstation CPU, which is what the Power Mac G5 is, far outperforms it. Of course it has twice the cache, and the same HyperTransport. Many have raised the GCC compiler issue. I say when you benchmark something you use the best available for that platform. Apple did not, and they also did not have the guts to reveal the hardware specs of the P4 and Xeon system they tested. Jobs is smearing the PowerPC970 and Apple because of this. I find that sad, and I feel Apple is better of without him, and needs the clones back.
before you submit. This is a MIRA device, and not a tablet PC. Sure, MIRA devices blow primarily because they are underpowered and over priced. You are better WINVNCing into your desktop that uses one of these contraptions. They do have potential however, and I would hope Tablet PCs that are far better devices would gain the MIRA capabilities. I would use that daily from my couch.
Yeah, this is never going to happen. Bungie pales in comparison to id, and they were easy sellouts. Carmack created the genre with his buddies at id. Yeah, I can see it now. Doom III exclusively on xbox, so everyone brings their xbox and a tv to Quakecon. No way. Anyone even thinking this could happen doesn't know anything about Carmack, id, or shooters, or they are trying to get slashdotted.
Wow, I never thought I would see someone use the word link feature of the nuke variants as advertising. I don't like it one bit. I've been testing the verizon version of 2.5G, and you are lucky to get dialup speeds out of it.
Yeah, after I digest your 2nd insult. We could put all the content on one page and that would do a great job of dragging the server down as everyone pulls everything. More than one page takes some pressure of the server. Regardless Dave put the article up, and he is new at this. I think you should cut him some slack, and not spout off insults because it is over the internet and not in person and you can.
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Silicon on Insulator, Copper Interconnects, DDR memory, dual core, but not HyperTransport yet.
In conclusion the Athlon 64 3000+ is one of the best CPUs AMD has never announced. It makes a sub $1,000 system that is 64 bit capable easy to reach, and is able to perform quite admirably even with half of the cache of the other AMD64 CPUs. Will AMD make more 512kb cache Athlon 64s in the near future? How long will Socket 754 continue? Is this 3000+ an overclocker of merit? Stay tuned. For now if you have been craving for a powerful and cheap system with 64 bit onboard then the Athlon 64 3000+ is your CPU. It has no competition in its class, and likely will not for months to come.
Let's see, 1 year since Slashdot has approved a story I've submitted. Let's keep the streak alive! ;) HP shipping Mandrake biz PCs. Who cares!
I think perhaps many of you don't realize how close nForce is tied to Xbox, and hence to Microsoft. nForce was developed for the Xbox of course, and then transferred over into a chipset for Athlon and new Athlon 64/Opteron. Couldn't Microsoft be a force behind these troubles considering the money they provided that paid for much of the nForce development?
The Opteron clusters will enter the Top 500 in the next list. Simple research would tell you that.
Those are features of Socket 940 boards like the Tyan, and other workstation Athlon 64 FX/Opteron motherboards. Don't expect those on enthusiast/desktop boards.
Thanks guys. We also have the first DDR400 cas 2 benchmarks with Athlon 64 FX. Previously registered DDR400 would only run at Cas 2.5. :) We compare with the same OCZ memory at Cas 2 and Cas 2.5.
So why no link to our reviews. :)
It should be noted that every Mac cultist ignores AMD. I'm sorry, but AMD has the most price effective clusters bar none. Do a little research before you start flapping about the Mac guys. Don't Mac users know what Google is, or are they all stuck using AOL search? Athlon MP, Opteron. Hello. Why build a more expensive and slower cluster on the G5 when you can have it faster, cheaper, and far more scalable with Opteron? It does not make sense. If I was a VT alumni I'd be calling for heads to roll.
Yeah, ok, they all use the Asus SK8N motherboard which offers SATA RAID, Ethernet, 6 channel audio with SPDIF connector, support for 8GB memory, PATA RAID, Firewire, USB 2, full overclocking support including clock multiplier, and dual channel DDR400. Not many features eh? You really should do some research, something Mac cultists seem to find impossible. Hmm, Polywell offers them with a DVD burner. Again, a poor researcher posts.
Do some research before you post. There is no 64 bit OS available for the G5. There are several for AMD64. How are they to test 64 bit on the Mac with no OS available?
If you knew anything about Quake you would realize it won't even use 32MB of memory on the video card. Guess what, Opteron and Athlon 64 is much faster than the G5. It has to be with a faster bus and onboard memory controller. Stop trying to deny that.
Not too impressive I must say. I also don't quite like the ignorant IT comment particularly since my experience shows Mac users tend to be ingnorant as far to computer knowledge. I wonder why in times of shrinking IT budgets that they wouldn't want to deploy boxes that cost three times as much? Why isn't that overpriced Xserve dominating the server market? Because there are better and cheaper products for every market segment except the cutesy computers lovers Apple wins over. That 2% can't see inside the box. If the author was a real expert he would try and bring in a system to use that he hand built, like when I was going to upgrade my system when I was in IT at Dell with an Athlon. Now that would impress me. Not knowing how to integrate a Mac into his work and then being hypocritical enough to blame ignorant IT doesn't.
Training kids to use a computer only 2% will use in real life is foolish. Supporting Dell is another foolish thing. Small form factors based on VIA's mini ITX is the smart thing to do. Cheaper, smaller, less power consumption, and you have the flexibility to run any number of opterating systems. Having had a mother who is a teacher, and an uncle superintendent I have seen zero savings from Mac usage. I could not recommend them and feel good about it. I can recommend MINI ITX small form factors, and not blink.
AMD fanboys, take note: The G5 does have superior floating-point hardware, for either double precision superscalar or vector single precision work. If they're doing floating point the G5 is a clear win. /.ers live in, because they build their Athlons themselves. Perhaps the reality distortion field merely applies to introducing reality to people who have never seen it before.
The memory bus on the G5 is a bit better than on the Opterons - especially once you start doing threaded work, the dual unidirectional buses essentially allow cache transfers at the same time as memory transfers, and a whole bunch of other possibilities.
Lastly, what are you smoking? The only way an AMD becomes competitive with a G5 (machine to machine here) is if you build the AMD yourself and leave out the stuff the G5 has in it. Are you suggesting that Virginia Tech build 1100 Opteron, no, 4400 Opteron systems (you said 4x, not me!) themselves? That's crazy. They want somebody else to build and test the machines, and that somebody to be responsible when they fail. Of course such a real-world advantage has little to do with the bubble most
Apple won't give out review systems to real computer hardware sites, and so we have no proof I'm aware of. If you do I want to see your head to head tests of G5 and Opteron in single, dual, quad, and clusters since you obviously have proof and have tested all of this. You can now get two flavors of Windows, 3 Linux flavors, and FreeBSD is around the corner for AMD64. Where are all the 64 bit G5 operating systems again? Apache is ported, mysql is ported, Seti@Home, etc, etc. Where are all the OSX 64 bit program ports?
Terrorist Inside! Dum dum dum dum.
Insightful? Is California running Slashdot now?
...scores, against Opteron, Athlon, Itanium, Power4, and real SPEC scores for the P4 and Xeon. What I found was a huge gap in peformance. I find it difficult to believe Jobs, and I found that Opteron, a the true first available 64 bit workstation CPU, which is what the Power Mac G5 is, far outperforms it. Of course it has twice the cache, and the same HyperTransport. Many have raised the GCC compiler issue. I say when you benchmark something you use the best available for that platform. Apple did not, and they also did not have the guts to reveal the hardware specs of the P4 and Xeon system they tested. Jobs is smearing the PowerPC970 and Apple because of this. I find that sad, and I feel Apple is better of without him, and needs the clones back.
Why no mention of AMD or Opteron at all?
Wow, so I guess the Asus nForce 3 Pro Opteron setup I'm using as a desktop/workstatin doesn't count? And thanks to SuSE it is 64 bit.
Not redundat because I have actually tested Tablet PC and Mira devices.
before you submit. This is a MIRA device, and not a tablet PC. Sure, MIRA devices blow primarily because they are underpowered and over priced. You are better WINVNCing into your desktop that uses one of these contraptions. They do have potential however, and I would hope Tablet PCs that are far better devices would gain the MIRA capabilities. I would use that daily from my couch.
Yeah, this is never going to happen. Bungie pales in comparison to id, and they were easy sellouts. Carmack created the genre with his buddies at id. Yeah, I can see it now. Doom III exclusively on xbox, so everyone brings their xbox and a tv to Quakecon. No way. Anyone even thinking this could happen doesn't know anything about Carmack, id, or shooters, or they are trying to get slashdotted.
Wow, I never thought I would see someone use the word link feature of the nuke variants as advertising. I don't like it one bit. I've been testing the verizon version of 2.5G, and you are lucky to get dialup speeds out of it.
Yeah, after I digest your 2nd insult. We could put all the content on one page and that would do a great job of dragging the server down as everyone pulls everything. More than one page takes some pressure of the server. Regardless Dave put the article up, and he is new at this. I think you should cut him some slack, and not spout off insults because it is over the internet and not in person and you can.
Yeah, your site is so much better than mine is. You get slashdotted all the time.