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Strained Silicon Chips From Intel

Quirk writes "NewScientist is reporting... "Intel has taken the wraps off a secret technique it is using'Strained silicon' chips to increase the speed of its Pentium and Centrino chips. The technique boosts the rate at which transistors switch, without having to make them smaller.""

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  1. Finally Caught On by rkz · · Score: 0, Troll

    Chip Architect was speculating on this way back when intel's 64 bit extensions were still called Yamhill. They make some interesting observations that lead them to belive the second 32 bit ALU was to allow for 64 bit integer operations in a 2x32 bit format. And not to assist with eliminating resource shortages in HT as some others had suggested.
    And even if that does pan out it's highly unlikley to appear in desktop Prescott core chips anytime soon. Seems much more like something you'd find in Xeon MPs and later DPs to eliminate the need for that hack they call PAE.
    Though i hardly see how 'somebody told us a seinor exec said' makes Slashdot.' (I understand that's what the Inquirier bases most of their news on, i thought we had slightly higher standards of reliability)

    1. Re:Finally Caught On by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm VERY skeptical of a 4 GHz bus. You have to get some PCB magicians to get that fast access to memory.

    2. Re:Finally Caught On by Bender_ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is most probably a fake:

      o stackable chip - unpropable
      o 64Bit extension by module? Good joke, there is just no way to provide this technically..
      o "lots of wires" - no way, you dont get above 20MHz when connection a CPU by wires
      o 4000MHz front side bus - no way there is a tenfold increase.

      Try harder next time..

  2. Fujitsu by ObviousGuy · · Score: 0, Interesting

    There was a problem with Fujitsu hard disks a few months back because of a problem with their silicon boards being strained. It turns out that the factory from which they were receiving their silicon from wasn't cleaning the silicon of enough impurities and this resulted in the resulting products based on the bad silicon up and dying with no warning.

    While this is not the same type of straining that Intel is doing, it is important to see whether this new technology can function in real world situations without failure. And it is important to test this over a long period of time.

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    1. Re:Fujitsu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
      While this is not the same type of straining that Intel is doing



      Indeed, in fact this is of absolutely _NO RELEVANCE_ to strained silicon FETS. Please inform yourself before posting, and consider not posting halve-knowledge.

    2. Re:Fujitsu by darqchild · · Score: 1

      What the hell does this have to do with the article?

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    3. Re:Fujitsu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, last I remember, Fujitsu suffered from a bad chip potting material -- the epoxy or ceramic the silicon is *packaged* in to make it into a solderable device.

      Am I wrong?

    4. Re:Fujitsu by Kelz · · Score: 1

      This is slashdot. You must be new here!

  3. Since when is Strained Silicon Secret? by RalphBNumbers · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I know IBM has been publically working with this, at least in research, for a long time, and it's a fair bet other firms were too.
    IIRC they've even used SSoI (Strained Silicon on Insulator) for some production ASICs...

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    1. Re:Since when is Strained Silicon Secret? by urmensch · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      OT - Which book is your sig from?

    2. Re:Since when is Strained Silicon Secret? by Dreadlord · · Score: 5, Informative

      true, I was going to post something similar, here is the link to IBM's research about Strained Silicon.
      I first thought it was the submitter's mistake, but actually the story is taked off the article.
      Maybe someone can shed some light here.

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    3. Re:Since when is Strained Silicon Secret? by cmacb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I bet what the article MEANT to say was that they took the wraps off the fact that they are using this process. The secret being not the process but their use of it. Especially since they credit a university researcher with the concept back in 1992.

    4. Re:Since when is Strained Silicon Secret? by darkmeridian · · Score: 1

      The secret apparently is the production process used to utilize the strained silicon technology. It's one thing to have the theory and quite another to have it working on a large scale. And Intel is making use of both compressing and stretching the silicon, something that really enhances performance.

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    5. Re:Since when is Strained Silicon Secret? by metlin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      During my undergrad, one of my professors of Solid State Circuits lab talked about this. She said that the reason this is hard is because when your source/gate region is partially depleted of charge carriers, there is a need to raise the source-drain gates effectively to utilize the technology. You see, one of the benefits is that the effective capacitance of your source-drain region is decreased. However, if your source-drain gates are not sufficiently increased, the remaining charge carriers remain back and over a period of time this in itself builds up a capacitance. It then begins to function like a dual capacitor device, etc.

      And to counter this, you will end up using metal within your S-D zone, however that will have its own side effects - you will need more interconnects and this will increase the resistance by a very slight amount. Trivial for a small number of transistors but if you're having a few million of them, it could be painful. Also, it would mean that the entire thing is going to heat up ever so quickly.

      And ofcourse, you always have issues with the Floating Body effects (warning Powerpoint).

      Couple this with a hard manufacturing process, and you have a technology thats atleast going to take another 5-10 years to mature. And thats being optimistic :)

    6. Re:Since when is Strained Silicon Secret? by xenocide2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      There is a difference between understanding and using. Intel has announced that they are using strained silicon in a production environment. The big difference here is scaling the process up. As they mentioned in the article, they have disclosed their use of, but not how their strained silicon electronics are made.

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    7. Re:Since when is Strained Silicon Secret? by gnudutch · · Score: 1

      The secret is that Intel figured out how to do it... CHEAP.

    8. Re:Since when is Strained Silicon Secret? by Daneurysm · · Score: 1

      supernerd to english filter: blah blah blah blah blah, more FPS in 5-10 years.

    9. Re:Since when is Strained Silicon Secret? by Bender_ · · Score: 1

      [.. lots of very inaccurate nerd gibberish deleted.. ]

      I believe you are mixing up strained silicon with SOI?

    10. Re:Since when is Strained Silicon Secret? by Bender_ · · Score: 2, Informative

      Since when is Strained Silicon Secret?

      The idea of strained silicon is to apply a mechanical stress to the silicon. This will change the spacing between the silicon atoms (the lattice spacing), which will indirectly reduce the channel resistance, therefore allowing faster transistor switching speed.

      Indeed, this has been known for a long time, but so far it has not been used in commercial products due to the problems involved with the actual manufacturing of theses devices.

      The classical way to manufacture theses devices
      is to grow a thin layer of silicon germanium on your wafer. The SiGe layer has a slightly different lattice spacing than silicon. When a silicon layer is grown on top of the SiGe layer it adapts its lattice spacing. Therefore it is possible to grow silicon layers with a slightly different lattice spacing.

      This way is persued by IBM and others and is quite expensive.

      Intel managed to find a different way. They just build their transistores on common Si-Wafers, but deposit mechanically stressed layers on top of their transistors. This will result in a mechanical stress in the transistor channel and does therefore lead to the same result.

      The difference is that Intels method is a lot cheaper (adds only 2% to overall cost), they have all the patents, and it does actually work in a manifacturing process.

    11. Re:Since when is Strained Silicon Secret? by TeknoHog · · Score: 2, Informative

      I attended a lecture on this topic several years ago. One of our professors used silicon straining to alter the wavelength of LEDs. He had originally noticed how the wavelengths of LEDs of different materials correlates with the interatomic separation in the material. That led him to think whether it's merely the lattice separation, instead of the material itself, that matters.

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    12. Re:Since when is Strained Silicon Secret? by Bender_ · · Score: 1

      "That led him to think whether it's merely the lattice separation, instead of the material itself, that matters."

      I cant help but commenting here: This is a trivial result of even the simplest models to explain the existence of a band structure. (tight binding, kronig-penny etc) I guess he did not just realise it experimentally.

    13. Re:Since when is Strained Silicon Secret? by sjwt · · Score: 1

      The real secret is how intel will
      do it cheeply but still over charge
      the consumer for it.

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    14. Re:Since when is Strained Silicon Secret? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My cat's breath smells of catfood.

    15. Re:Since when is Strained Silicon Secret? by p3d0 · · Score: 1
      My dear sir, I'm afraid your post makes no sense at all. To wit:
      However, if your source-drain gates are not sufficiently increased, the remaining charge carriers remain back and over a period of time this in itself builds up a capacitance.
      I have a degree in electrical engineering and I have never heard of a "source-drain gate" nor how it might be "sufficiently increased".
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    16. Re:Since when is Strained Silicon Secret? by n7ytd · · Score: 1

      Also, it would mean that the entire thing is going to heat up ever so quickly.

      The rest of your post reads like it's been run through Babelfish 3 or 4 times, but this point is wrong. Decreasing capacitance on the transistor structure (with the gate capacitance being dominant) leads to increased switching rates. A shorter transition time means that the transistor is dissipating less heat.

      I think you are (trying to) talking about SOI technology, and if so, you are incorrect about it taking 5-10 years to mature. AMD is using it now, as are many other fabs.

    17. Re:Since when is Strained Silicon Secret? by DAldredge · · Score: 1

      MIT, fujielectric, Cornell, and other have. Just do a google search.

    18. Re:Since when is Strained Silicon Secret? by p3d0 · · Score: 1

      Show me one such search result and I'll concede the point. A Google search on "source-drain gate" turns up nothing.

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    19. Re:Since when is Strained Silicon Secret? by DAldredge · · Score: 1

      Google Search
      http://www.google.com/search?lr=&ie=UTF-8& oe=UTF-8 &q=%22source-drain%20gate%22

      RESULTS (RANDOM SAMPLE FIRST 10 results)

      Microsoft PowerPoint - Goodson 5-17-03
      http://web.mit.edu/hmtl/www/papers/GOODSO Npres.pdf

      Source Drain Gate Gate Oxide Psub 1mm 0.6 m low voltage CMOS 30V ...
      http://www.fujielectric.co.jp/news/pdf/021205 011.p df

      EE410 vs. Advanced CMOS Structures
      http://www.stanford.edu/class/ee410/Ad vCMOS.pdf

    20. Re:Since when is Strained Silicon Secret? by p3d0 · · Score: 1

      Bzzt, try again. None of these contains the phrase "source-drain gate".

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  4. Cyrix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    had actually been doing this for years.

    1. Re:Cyrix by Bender_ · · Score: 1

      That is definitly not true - please supply reference if you believe otherwhise.

  5. Deja Vu, all over again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Dupe, Maybe read this 2.5 year old story

    1. Re:Deja Vu, all over again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yup, no news like old news.

  6. Strained silicon?!!? by BWJones · · Score: 4, Funny

    Shoot, I should tell you about strained silicon. That overclocking experiment I did a couple years ago went horribly wrong when the water pump failed and smoke started pouring out of the case. THAT was decidedly strained silicon. :-)

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    1. Re:Strained silicon?!!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hehe...

  7. Future bad headlines for this technology by Craig+Maloney · · Score: 4, Funny

    Intel sees chip futures strained
    Intel strains to find new chips
    Intel strains to make chips faster

    etc... ad nauseum.

    1. Re:Future bad headlines for this technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Actually I see...

      "Beleagured Apple Strains to Catch up with Intel"

    2. Re:Future bad headlines for this technology by ozric99 · · Score: 5, Funny

      .... Apple introduces their fledgling product: iStrain.

    3. Re:Future bad headlines for this technology by wildsurf · · Score: 1

      .... Apple introduces their fledgling product: iStrain.

      With its companion web viewer: iBrowse.

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    4. Re:Future bad headlines for this technology by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 2, Funny

      You're all too late. Safeway carries Beechnut Strained Silicon, and babies love it. What scares me is Gerber Creamed Silicon with Spinach.

  8. Hmm.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Pulling on my processor with two pairs of pliers just bent a few of the pins and made it smoke a bit...

  9. Mechanical Stress by miracle69 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    All of this is at the atomic level, but I do wonder how these things hold up to mechanical and thermal stress.

    To stretch the silicon lattice, Intel deposits a film of silicon nitride over the whole transistor at high temperature. Because silicon nitride contracts less than silicon as it cools, it locks the silicon lattice beneath it in place with a wider spacing than it would normally adopt. This improves electron conduction by 10 per cent.

    What temperature ranges does this become an issue? If my processor gets warm, will its performance decrease because the strain dissapeared?

    Would mild mechanical stress on the chip (i.e. application of heat-sink) alter the strain?

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    1. Re:Mechanical Stress by mercuryresearch · · Score: 4, Informative

      I spoke with Intel about this in the spring.

      Apparently the strained silicon technology came about due to research related to mechanical stress problems they were encountering across the entire chip -- so it already was an issue. Their research solved the mechanical stress problem, and they later realized by intentionally localizing the effect they could basically place the strain at individual transistors to improve performance.

      Because the effect is localized and controlled it's no longer an issue of concern, AFAIK.

      Heat sinks, etc, shouldn't alter the strain at the transistor level. Remember, we are talking about this at the atomic level, so any macro-level strain like a heat sink would have to be pretty substantial to work its way down into the crystal lattice structure to the point of affecting performance. (Sort of humorous if it did, though, as it would imply microprocessors would go faster if you squeezed them. In reality Intel is actually stretching the size of the normal silicon lattice structure, so heat sink stress (compression) would actually be working against you, but it's also occuring in the wrong axis (the lattice stretching is 2D X-Y, not Z-axis.)

  10. Well... by inode_buddha · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    at least now I could have my silicon pre-strained, instead of having all those Viagara spams do it...

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  11. Compared to AMD...? by leprasmurf · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    I wonder how long it will take for AMD to develop a better technique. Not to mention with AMD's new 64 bit architecture this silicon stressing will really be just to keep up with AMD.

    Doesn't this really just focus on the clock speed of the processor which has already been proven not to be the focal point of performance? Switching faster won't increase the bandwidth, maybe it will just be able to push more through the same amount of space then?

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    1. Re:Compared to AMD...? by ProtonMotiveForce · · Score: 1

      This is so laughably stupid on so many levels I can only assume it's an inelegant attempt at a troll.

      What's funny is you probably think it's subtle and clever. _That's_ why I laugh.

    2. Re:Compared to AMD...? by Makoss · · Score: 1

      This is why slashdot needs a "Moron: -1" or "No longer on speaking terms with reality:-2" Moderation. . .

      RTFA, the tech is old, the story is they are giving away the technique. And thank you for demonstrating that you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to chip design.

      The sort of blind zealotry you are exhibiting frightens me deeply, did you even think about what you wrote? Do you REMEMBER what utter CRAP AMD chips used to be???

      Note: Every system I've built in the last 3 years has been an AMD.

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    3. Re:Compared to AMD...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Older AMD chips were never really that crappy... even the old Socket 7 K6's were OK when coupled with a proper chipset.

      The biggest problem with AMDs in those old days was poor motherboards and crappy chipsets!

    4. Re:Compared to AMD...? by leprasmurf · · Score: 1
      Do you REMEMBER what utter CRAP AMD chips used to be???
      I personally have no idea what your talking about, I've used AMD for the better part of 5 years now, and never had a problem with the chip itself, to confirm AC's note, the only problems I've ever had with AMD computers is crappy motherboars/chipsets.

      I've been reading /. for quite a while now and still shake my head at some of these responses, I made an opinionated statement which I'm entitled too and have been attacked for such and called ignorant as well as being moderated (in my opinion unfairly) as a flamebite.

      The hostilities that have been prevelant throughout most posting are often extremely disheartening and unprofessional. Personally I'm just a bit awe-struck. Maybe it could have been worded better, maybe it could have been better researched, maybe i have no clue what I'm talking about, but beratement is just going to turn me off of this site and lack of understanding is going to make me resent this place and eventually I may just turn into one of these bitter posters who have nothing constructive to say and therefore rely on showing my own supposed intellectual superiority by belittling those who are actually trying to improve upon their own knowledge. Therefore, I say if you don't have something constructive to say gfy.

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    5. Re:Compared to AMD...? by Makoss · · Score: 1

      I stumbled upon your post at a very unfortunate time, and my reply was made in haste and at wits end. It was a very petty and unprofessional thing to do, but it seemed to sum up, exactly, the attitude that was, at that very moment causing me such grief.

      you have my formal appology for what was written previously. Allow me to make another attempt at it.

      My experiance with Pre K7 chips from AMD (a K5, a K6-2 and a K6-3) left me with a very bad taste in my mouth as to the performance of early AMD chips. In three words "It was shit", this all changed when the K7 line came out, but AMD hasn't always been the paragon of virtue and excellent design. If I remember correctly, there were Bad Things involving floating point calculations. (Though not as bad as the Pentium FPU 'issue')

      The artical stated that the tech was old and that Intel ahd been using it for a while. The news worthy part of it was that they were publicly releasing their technique. I would assume that they would not do this if their top competitor had not already been using the same, or an equivelent, technique. Thus it's old news to everybody it matters to, but nifty to know how it works.

      Your offhand dismissal of things is a big part of why my reply was so heated, and why I'm sure you got moderated as flamebait. (Which, as a point of note, your post was, as it collected a few flames). As an example "Not to mention with AMD's new 64 bit architecture this silicon stressing will really be just to keep up with AMD." 64 bit architecture is old hat in fields of Very Serious Computing, it's new to the desktop though and that's something spiffy. But it's not "AMD's new 64 bit. . " The G5 is 64 bit, Intel has a 64 bit chip. AMD has just brought it to market the best.

      Yes it 'just focuses on the clock speed of a processor', yes a 20% boost in clock speed is not a 20% boost in performance over all situations, but it is a valid increase in performace in many situations.

      "Switching faster won't increase the bandwidth, maybe it will just be able to push more through the same amount of space then?" I presume you're talking about RAM CPU bandwidth? Once again the performance inpact that this has is highly dependent upon the code being excecuted. If you do not believe this then please go learn assembly, it may be a very rewarding and enriching experiance.


      Perhaps, in the future, if you worded you posts more like you were one of "those who are actually trying to improve upon their own knowledge" and less like you were stating Immutable Truths of the Universe, you would recieve more friendly replies.

      As I briefly stated in the first post, I am a very happy AMD consumer, and I use AMD chips in every desktop that I've built for myself or others in the last several years. My current desktop is an AthlonXP (2400+) running at 2.3GHz on a 200MHz FSB, I love that chip. It was inexpensive, and has awsome performance. But that does not preclude me from admiring some of the accomplishments Intel ahs brought to the board in terms of pushing clockspeed (which, don't forget, is pretty much the primary requirement if you're going to be running instructions which MUST be excecuted in serial). Interl has done some very interesting things, but right now AMD kicks ass.


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  12. Slashdot story 2.5 years ago by bstadil · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Look Here for Strained Silicon Secret.

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  13. Yet another reminder for naysayers... by Amiga+Lover · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...who claim we're coming to the limits of silicon, and XXXX MHz is the highest that can be achieved. Technology will keep on advancing relentlessly, changing and adapting.

    Pick an absolute limit for the speed of a CPU... then proceed to completely ignore it. Can't go wrong there.

    1. Re:Yet another reminder for naysayers... by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 3, Informative

      we are coming to the ends. for Intel, they need to reduce the leakage or they will not be able to compete.

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    2. Re:Yet another reminder for naysayers... by QuasiCoLtd · · Score: 1

      If I'm not mistaken whan't it Intel themselves that said that the theoretical limit was fast approaching?

    3. Re:Yet another reminder for naysayers... by OverclockedMind · · Score: 0

      "theoretical" remember all the "theoretical" limits of the past?

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    4. Re:Yet another reminder for naysayers... by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 4, Insightful
      ..who claim we're coming to the limits of silicon, and XXXX MHz is the highest that can be achieved. Technology will keep on advancing relentlessly, changing and adapting.

      While technology could keep advancing for quite some time, that doesn't mean that advances will be economically feasible.

      Take aircraft development, for example. The maximum speed advanced on a roughly exponential scale from 1903 through the mid 60s, culminating with an X-15 flight at around mach 6. Even today, researchers are tinkering around with models of aircraft faster than that. However, 99.99% of all passengers and cargo still move at the speed they did in 1960: about 500 mph. Why is this? Because fuel consumption and noise problems make it uneconomical to go faster than a 707. For air travel, every day reality has become decoupled from technological possiblity.

      Likewise, CPU performance will almost certainly hit a wall where the power consumption makes it impractical for the average user to run more MIPS. Processor technology will continue to advance, but only for applications where power consumption is no object.

      The problem is that when you can no longer target CPUs at the mass market, the potential revenue shrinks, so investment money dries up, slowing the development cycle. (This is a big part of the reason why 40 years after the X-15 and SR-71 we haven't come up with anything faster.) This will be the factor that ends exponential silicon CPU performance increases, even if there is no fundamental physical roadblock to producing faster processors.

    5. Re:Yet another reminder for naysayers... by Wolfrider · · Score: 1

      --Yeah, like Lightspeed... Oh wait...

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    6. Re:Yet another reminder for naysayers... by John+Courtland · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or we'll get to the point where our processors contain cells, and each cell can be doled out "work units" to handle. Mass a bunch and you can complete more "work units" faster. Each "work unit" would probably be a thread, so that data could be collaborated easily. Maybe our programming models in the future wil be so totally different that processor design as we know it will be like looking at the horse and buggy today.

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    7. Re:Yet another reminder for naysayers... by conway · · Score: 1
      Maybe our programming models in the future wil be so totally different that processor design as we know it will be like looking at the horse and buggy today.

      They said the same thing in the 60's and 70's, after Algol (procedural language) and Simula 67 (OO language). Yet, somehow, 30 years later we're still programming with the same concepts as in 1967!
      The truth is, new ideas may come, but people don't change that quickly, and we won't be able to change the way we think very quickly either.

    8. Re:Yet another reminder for naysayers... by _damnit_ · · Score: 1

      That is already on the books at Sun. Take a look at Sun processors. Sun is pointing toward massive threading as the future. Now, I work for Sun and could very well be within the "bullshit field" and not know the truth from a M$ press kit; but it is an interesting direction for server CPUs. It would not help desktop apps though. I recall Carmack's QuakeIII discussion of how difficult it was to wring any performance benefits from dual cpus. I doubt having 16 threads will be of any benefit to Quake5 or whatever. For those apps, single thread performance is key.
      Still, if you are running a web server or db, having huge numbers of threads in the pipes at the same time could have a great effect on performance if the OS and/or TCP/IP stacks can deal with it.

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    9. Re:Yet another reminder for naysayers... by dkeele · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the speed barrier has already been reached in the processor world. There is an Israeli company called Enlight that has recently released a new type of processor that makes strained silicon look obsolete and decrepit. Too bad Intel, Enlight is years ahead of you. http://www.muddysmind.com/archives/000472.html

  14. fanboys are funny by MBraynard · · Score: 1

    Intel potentially uses a new technology that AMD doesn't have, and fan boy talks about how much better AMD will be than Intel when AMD implements said technology. ROFL.

    1. Re:fanboys are funny by obeythefist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And the Intel fanboys make fun of the AMD fanboys? Very mature.

      Intel and AMD both have a variety of technologies available to them, sometimes uniquely, sometimes shared or licensed.

      Currently AMD holds the speed crown with the hammer series of chips. Before that, intel held the speed crown when the P4 series ramped up to the very high clockspeeds it was capable of. Before that, AMD held the speed crown when it beat intel soundly to 1GHz. Before that, intel was everything.

      When you consider that now, AMD seems to be a low-end commodity CPU technology leader (first to get 64bit on the desktop and all), and intel have changed their plans by announcing work on an x86-64 CPU, but intel by far has a huge installed base and the same entrenched loyalty in consumers that Bill Gates enjoys (They are the biggest, most expensive company so their product is more reliable FUD).

      I'm interested in seeing who will win out - the larger company with the market share (but less innovative product), or the innovator with a cheaper, more powerful product. I think intel will win, after observing the linux/windows market competition.

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    2. Re:fanboys are funny by oconnorcjo · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I'm interested in seeing who will win out - the larger company with the market share (but less innovative product), or the innovator with a cheaper, more powerful product. I think intel will win, after observing the linux/windows market competition.

      If Linux could run all the programs that MS does, I would say your logic made some sense but the fact is that linux is "johny come lately" when 90% of the desktop was already tied to MS. Linux can't run everything that MS does and it is not realistic for most people to switch all software and everything they know to something completely new. That arguement does not hold true for the AMD/Intel market. What runs on Intel will run just as well on AMD with no change in user experience (often without any knowledge of what chip they are using).

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    3. Re:fanboys are funny by ProtonMotiveForce · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Some factual mistakes in your post.

      1. I don't recall Intel announcing anything about any x86-64 CPU.
      2. Intel's products are more reliable, as they spend a _lot_ more time testing and qualifying their products than any other manufacturer.

    4. Re:fanboys are funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, because you don't remember something, it's factually incorrect?

      2. Intel's products are more reliable, as they spend a _lot_ more time testing and qualifying their products than any other manufacturer.

      Eh? So, Microsofts products are more reliable, as they spend a _lot_ more time testing and qualifying their products than any other software OS developer?

      Thanks for the keen advice! Can we still get those intel CPU's that don't do long division properly? It's a shame intel recalled those P3 1.13GHz processors, they were so reliable! All the testing you see.

      Intel isn't releasing an x86-64 CPU. But AMD did. So now Intel, no longer the market leader, is developing x86-64 extensions into the pentium line of processors.

      Why? Couple of reasons. Firstly, intel has realised that itanium/ia64 is too expensive and too niche, too poorly designed with very low yields to compete with Opteron (now they claim it was never intended to compete with Opteron, but higher end servers, nice work spin paramedics). Secondly, both the open source community and microsoft are embracing x86-64, yet, not itanium to the same extent. Intel currently cannot compete with AMD in the 64 bit mainstream adoption market.

    5. Re:fanboys are funny by mabinogi · · Score: 1

      > So now Intel, no longer the market leader, is developing x86-64 extensions into the pentium line of processors.

      Where's a link to the press release?

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    6. Re:fanboys are funny by ProtonMotiveForce · · Score: 1

      Cough *bullshit* cough.

      "I don't remember" is a nice way of saying "quit passing off rumors as facts, dumbass - Intel has announced no such thing".

      And you seem to be, umm, stupid. First, you seem to think that AMD chips don't have bugs. Pretty silly, you cheeky monkey.

      Second, Itanium/ia64 is very well designed. They perform exceptionally well at their intended task, and are among the fastest processors you can buy - _FOR THEIR INTENDED TASKS_.

      Lastly, there is a version of Windows for the Itanium, and plenty of Linux versions for it. What the hell kind of paint thinner have you been huffing? I suggest you come up for air, it's making you stupid.

    7. Re:fanboys are funny by MBraynard · · Score: 1
      You are being obtuse. Look at the post I responded to. It was way out of hand.

      BTW - I have built 5 PCs now and all of them had AMD chips. Only the office desktop and laptop (Dell) have Intel.

  15. 100 billion dollar chip market! by ()vnorby() · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The announcement, at the International Electron Devices Meeting in Washington DC last week, gives a glimpse into the intensely secretive way chip firms attempt to gain an edge over their competitors in a market worth over $100 billion a year. Chip market worth 100 billion dollars ? Wow. That is the thing that stood out for me in the article.

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    1. Re:100 billion dollar chip market! by MegaHamsterX · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Then consider how much these chip fabs cost, last I read they were several billion dollars, so if the market is 100billion I don't know how this can really continue much further economicly.

      Scientists, Engineers, Accountants, Lawyers, The Blue Man Group, you start to wonder how there is any room left for profit.

  16. Way behind competitors still by MBraynard · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Man made diamonds have much less problems handling heat and Intel is ignoring this while their competitors are on the fast track.

    Still, Butler is frustrated with what he thinks of as myopia in the US computer business. "Europe and Japan have been investing in diamond semiconductor research," he says, citing the Japanese government's announcement in December that it would begin allocating $6 million a year to build a first-generation diamond chip. "Bob Linares has given the US the advantage, but nobody's paying any attention," he says. "If we're not careful, the Japanese or the Europeans are going to claim the diamond niche."

    Indeed, Intel's top materials executives weren't aware of the latest research breakthroughs when I spoke to them in June, although they certainly understood the potential for diamonds in computing. "Diamonds represent a seismic change in semiconductors," says Krishnamurthy Soumyanath, Intel's director of communications circuits research. "It takes us about 10 years to evaluate a new material. We have a lot of investment in silicon. We're not about to abandon that."

    Click here for full article.

    1. Re:Way behind competitors still by DAldredge · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It costs around 1.5 - 2.75 BILLION USD for a new chip fab. Intel isn't about to throw that away, they will just buy one of the smaller companies when/if the perfect this tech.

    2. Re:Way behind competitors still by Epistax · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In my New Employment Orientation (NEO) at Intel, they basically said ~The only way we'll ever get beat is by some minor startup nipping at our heel~. The jist of it is they said they will not get bogged down in old ways of doing things and will constantly change. Well I think the CEO needs to take NEO...

    3. Re:Way behind competitors still by Epistax · · Score: 1

      er New Employer Orientation. Not that it matters.

    4. Re:Way behind competitors still by fullofangst · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Man made diamonds have much less problems handling heat and Intel is ignoring this while their competitors are on the fast track
      I'd wager they aren't ignoring it at all. Rather, Intel will be keeping any progress on such a jump in technology very, very closely guarded to their chest.

    5. Re:Way behind competitors still by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm also not aware of anyone who provides 18" diamond waffers in quantities larger than zero.

      And the expense of developing a new generation of photoresists etc.

    6. Re:Way behind competitors still by MtViewGuy · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I think Intel is secretly working on using diamond material in circuit design which may make possible a quantum leap in speeds for the CPU. Can you say 50 GHz clock speed for a CPU within six years? :-)

    7. Re:Way behind competitors still by ProtonMotiveForce · · Score: 0, Troll

      Let's see, diamond products that will be to market anytime soon? Oh, wait, _ZERO_.

      Strained silicon? _SEVERAL_.

      Is there any kind of self editing process when you post like this? I mean, do you ever stop to think that maybe the severel people running the multibillion dollar company and the best technical minds in the industry just _may_ know a little more than you on this subject?

      Or, more likely, you just read something, hear the vague sounds of a banjo playing in your head, and pound on the keyboard until something resembling a paragraph takes form?

    8. Re:Way behind competitors still by Selecter · · Score: 1

      Yeah, thats great and all......but something has to change in the interface and imput dept. for that to mean anything at all. I think the usefullness of our methods of getting input into a computer ( think keyboard, think mouse ) are incredibly behind the times. Who is going to lead the music input and speech input wars? Thats what I wanna know. it's about time computer makers started worrying less about how many Ghz they can wring out and start bringing us some actual advancements in technology that MEAN something. Like being able to converse with your computer as freely as with another person, and the resulting 100X gain in productivity that would result.

    9. Re:Way behind competitors still by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get laid and you won't be so uptight. Your right hand doesn't count.

    10. Re:Way behind competitors still by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, they do not have chips based on diamonds ready to be marketed. But the first day they have them ready, well that's really too late for Intel. Why? Because by that time all patents will already be pending. Intel might try to but those companies then, but they would be silly to sell the golden eggs and the chicken of the golden eggs at the same time.

  17. I'm not straining... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...to remember the last time this was posted.

  18. Direction by Atario · · Score: 1

    I'd like to know if the lattice could be stretched in all three directions, rather than just one. And if so, would that provide any benefit? Or does the benefit come from that directionality?

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    1. Re:Direction by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 2, Informative
      I'd like to know if the lattice could be stretched in all three directions, rather than just one.
      Based on the quote in the grandparent post (and the picture at the bottom of the page in the article, which shows a side-slice of the configuration), the strain is 2D already (plane face to plane face).
      The only way to get 3D straining would be to have a 3D substrate, with the transistor material embedded within.
      It seems to me that, in such a configuration, the substrate would interfere with the operation of the transistor.
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    2. Re:Direction by n7ytd · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'd like to know if the lattice could be stretched in all three directions, rather than just one. And if so, would that provide any benefit? Or does the benefit come from that directionality?

      It would be stretched in all directions, but usually the thickness is kept as small as possible, so the effect in that direction is minimal. The idea is to increase the carrier mobility between the source and drain, which is mostly a 1-D proposition: the electrons (or holes) flow from the source towards the drain, in as close to a straight-line as possible. Of course, the other 2 dimensions count as well, but not nearly as much as on the plane between the source and drain.

  19. old news.... by liloconf · · Score: 0

    I've been able to Strain my chip in the bios for years....

  20. Intel may be right by dus · · Score: 2, Interesting


    Intel may be right on this one - they always have been conservative and this worked out very well for them. Large companies often wait for smaller companies to take the risk and prove or disprove the viablity of new tech. Nobody knows how well diamond is going to work out!

    Remember GaAs?

  21. And the competitors by JanneM · · Score: 5, Funny

    In a response, AMD announced development of "stressed silicon", while VIA reportedly has only managed to "get their silicon slightly worried", according to one unnamed source. China, meanwhile, announced a multi-million dollar project to have silicon going into hysterics within five years.

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  22. Strained.... by vudu · · Score: 3, Funny

    Silicone? I was expecting a story about Pamela Anderson.

    Damn.

    1. Re:Strained.... by Kelz · · Score: 1

      Yeah gotta get me some of that hardware.

  23. That's nothing by dus · · Score: 2, Funny

    Microsoft has been stressing silicon, including Intel's, for many years!

  24. Pentium = 5; Pentium V = Re-Pentium ? by anti-NAT · · Score: 1

    It's somebody else's joke (I think I read it on the Register or the Inquirer), I can't take credit for it.

    I found it pretty funny though.

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  25. Won't happen by ArchieBunker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Anything P4 and later has the built in temp sensor that slows down the cpu if it overheats. If your cpu is getting so hot that its melting silicon then you have bigger problems to deal with. The tomshardware video still gives me a chuckle when the AMD chip goes *poof* and smokes without a heatsink. Trying to save a few cents I suppose.

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    1. Re:Won't happen by Wolfrider · · Score: 1

      --BTW, Tom's Hardware worked / is working with AMD to prevent these catastrophic failures from happening in the future. I think the chips made after that article started incorporating safety features.

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  26. PFET vs NFET by ChrisMaple · · Score: 3, Informative

    Note that Intel improved the P channel devices 25% and the N channel devices 10%. Since N channel devices are usually 2 to 3 times stronger than P channel devices, this reduces the difference and makes CMOS design a little bit nicer.

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  27. news by ruiner5000 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Headline-Intel sees IBM and AMD tech doing well, decides to copy.

    link

    Silicon on Insulator, Copper Interconnects, DDR memory, dual core, but not HyperTransport yet.

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    1. Re:news by ProtonMotiveForce · · Score: 1

      Hehe, AMD. Yeah, look at all the money they're raking in - there's something to copy.

      You also seem to be under the incorrect assumption that IBM or AMD "invented" any of those things. This is _truly_ funny considering AMD has (barely) eeked an existence out of basically COPYING/LICENSING OTHER PEOPLES' TECHNOLOGY. This is sure innovative, eh?

    2. Re:news by ruiner5000 · · Score: 1

      You seem to be under the incorrection assumption that I or anyone values your opinion not based on FAQs. We don't. Do some research then come back and post again when you are ready. And everyone other x86 clone didn't do that? So AMD copied x86-64, HyperTransport, 3DNow!, and copied Intel by working closely with memory, chipset, and motherboard makers? They copied them by not forcing standards down their throats? Hello, Rambus, and a new socket every quarter, and the blessed ia64. Show me where AMD has copied Intel since Athlon came out. I'd like to see it. That was over 4 years ago. Have we just started reading Slashdot?
      link

      Oh, the stock has gone up just a bit this year as well.

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    3. Re:news by ProtonMotiveForce · · Score: 1

      Oh come on, you're joking right? AMD does not make money. End of story. Their stock price is irrelevent.

      http://news.com.com/2010-1071-5063556.html

  28. What is that by AvengerXP · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Strained silicon? Sounds like used processors. Maybe strained silicon is only used to make Celerons.

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    1. Re:What is that by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      If my silicon is always straining, should I dap a little Preperation H on the heat sinks?

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  29. secret? by Jediman1138 · · Score: 1
    "Intel has taken the wraps off a secret technique it is using..."

    Strained Silicon: Ancient Chinese Secret....

    -gong-

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  30. heat doesn't affect performance per se by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Performance is directly related to the speed of the input clock and the internal multiplier.

    If the strain were to disappear due to heat, the sole result would be your chip would malfunction or crash. It wouldn't cause it to slow down.

    Much as a regular chip can be overclocked to failure and has no internal mechanism to prevent it, these chips have no way to know that their strain mechanism is no longer working.

  31. Straining Silicon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought straining silicon was how they got the impurities out.

  32. World's Smallest by DumbSwede · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sure strained silicon is great, but the real advance was the world's smallest colander.

    1. Re:World's Smallest by RobertB-DC · · Score: 1

      Sure strained silicon is great, but the real advance was the world's smallest colander.

      I am *so* glad I wasn't the only one who thought of that sort of "straining". I read the article and *still* had to take a beating with a cluestick before I figured out that they were talking about the other meaning of "strain". I guess I was thinking about upcoming Christmas dinner.

      On a side note, I figured infinitesimal colander would be close to a Googlewhack, but instead it brought up yet another bizarre collection of Googlecrap fake links. "If the unempirical hot wire foam cutter runs some gantry at an infinitesimal colander, then another hand baggage plagues." WTF?

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  33. Several technologies... by NerveGas · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are several new technologies that either are speeding up chips, or will speed up chips, and the best part is that they'll all work together.

    For some time, SOI (silicon-on-insulator) has been helping chip manufacturers squeeze out extra performance. And the straining of the silicon lattice (strained silicon) helps as well. And you can combine them into SSOI, strained-silicon-on-insulator.

    Well, there's also one other technology that's been developed, called "fully depleted silicon". And guess what - it should/will be possible to make fully-depleted, strained silicon-on-insulator chips. (FDSSOI?)

    Between moving to 90 nm, then 65nm, and then further, as well as integrating high-K dialectrics and fully-depleted, strained silicon-on-insulator manufacturing technologies, we've still got a lot of headroom to keep cranking out faster and faster processors. Moore's law has still got a long time to live. And that's even if we don't make any new breakthroughs, but my guess is that the chip makers will continue to pull aces out of their sleeves, so to speak.

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  34. Re:Interesting.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Opter? Damn near K-lined her!

  35. you forgot one ... by Grizzlysmit · · Score: 1

    Intel sees chip futures strained Intel strains to find new chips Intel strains to make chips faster

    you forgot one : Intel strains to have a shit.
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  36. doping confusion by analogvlsirox · · Score: 1

    The article states that compressing p-doped regions improves hole conduction and stretching n-doped regions improves electron conduction. Fair enough, but to me the p-doped and n-doped designations are either backwards or irrelevant.

    For example, an n-channel MOS device is built in a p-type well. The channel (region between source and drain) is p-type when the device isn't conducting current, but the channel must be inverted to n-type before electrons can flow from source to drain. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it would make more sense to say that the p-well is stretched so that when it is inverted, electron conduction in the channel is improved.

    I wonder how much layout re-work had to be done to implement moats of SiGe around individuel transistors or groups of transistors. Yikes!