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Could Doom 3 be a Xbox Exclusive?
acehole writes "Doom III, id's latest and greatest in the realm of first-person shooters, may be coming out as an Xbox exclusive... if Microsoft has its way." This story is very brief, has no real evidence, and should be treated as entirely speculative. I'd be sad if Doom 3 required me to use the X-Box's controller. It's just not right without a mouse!
I am sure Id will make it available for other platforms.
I don't know the meaning of the word 'don't' - J
If its obviously not true then why post it? Just trying to please the microsoft trolls?
Where Is Doom III Going?
07-APR-03
An article in the current issue of Wired magazine confirms what a lot of gamers were suspecting already: Microsoft is actively courting id Software for the exclusive console rights to Doom III. According to the article--a feature on current developments in the jaw-dropping PC FPS--the company behind the Xbox is offering an undisclosed amount of money to id in exchange for the right to make their latest game an Xbox-only title as far as consoles are concerned. (It'd still come out on the PC, of course.)
The folks at id reportedly haven't made a decision on the matter yet--it seems a reasonable enough assumption (lead programmer John Carmack has made comments in the past that seem to show a preference for the Xbox), but we'll see how it turns out. The PC game will likely be playable at the Electronic Entertainment Expo next month in Los Angeles.
The Wired article also had one more interesting bit on the PC version: in addition to the multiplayer expansion pack Carmack hinted at earlier, plans are also in the works for a new single-player expansion pack, due to be released some time after the final product hits stores. We'll have more details for you soon, so stay tuned.
Considering how much manpower has already been "wasted" getting the game tested on various systems, it would rather shock me if they threw it all away and optimized for the X-Box only.
Just my 2cp
I live in a giant bucket.
Does this rub anyone the wrong way? It seems like they're trying to buy people out in exchange for control of the market.
I am over here... now I am back over here!
It's coming to PC no matter what, this is just for exclusivity on consoles. Perhaps you should have read the article...
These are in regards to console rights only. Doom 3 will of course be released on the pc. You will be able to play it with your mouse. Sheesh.
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..."for the right to make their latest game an Xbox-only title as far as consoles are concerned. (It'd still come out on the PC, of course.)"
weak.
the company behind the Xbox is offering an undisclosed amount of money to id in exchange for the right to make their latest game an Xbox-only title as far as consoles are concerned. (It'd still come out on the PC, of course.) Please! At least the Submitters should read their stories!
Really, I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a completely unintentional side effect. -- Linus Torvalds
It says right in the first part that they're talking about console exclusiveness! My god, I expect the readers not to look at the articles, but the editors should at least glance at them before shooting off their mouths.
ID makes most (see: insane ammounts) of their money from licensing their engine for other games. There is no way in hell they are going to make it an xbox only engine. And even if they released the engine on other platforms they need Doom 3 as the benchmark for what it can do.
Doom 3 _will_ come out for the PC.
While the article is speculative, it does say exclusive CONSOLE rights not simply exclusive rights.
This makes a lot of sense, as the Xbox is the most like a PC of the 3 consoles. It won't take as much work for id to port, and if Microsoft is willing to pay them a bunch of money on top of that, all the better.
"The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than that of whether a submarine can swim" -EWD
They want XBox to be the only console that gets DoomIII. It would still be available for the PC. It plainly says so in the article.
Please see this HomeLanFed article: http://www.homelanfed.com/index.php?id=13306 "Microsoft is offering lots of money to id to make an exclusive Doom III Xbox port (id hasn't decided yet if they will do so)" X-Box exclusive port. From the PC. The articles say nothing about the game being exclusively on the X-Box. The articles only mention id may only port to the X-Box, rather than multiple consoles. Just think that should be clarified. That's how I read it anyway. I could be wrong.
Doom 3 probably will barely run on my P4 2.4 GHz. I really doubt it will run at all on the Xbox, being its only 733 MHz, with an older (now) video card. Someone's logic is failing here!
It all depends on how much money Microsoft have and how much ID are willing to screw their loyal gamers. If they can lower their prices to pc equivalent and include an XBOX, I just might be in :)
I wouldn't believe for a minute that the PS2 could handle graphics anything like what Doom III is supposed to have. That even the XBox can handle it without significantly reducing the detail would supprise me. So MS is trying to keep Nintendo from producing a crippled port of their own. We care again...why?
1) No Mouse
... errr .. heared of.
2) No Keyboard
3) Slow GFX Chip
4) Slow CPU
5) No Hires GFX
If it comes out for xbox it will have nothing to do with the alpha version we have seen
RedShirt
Microsft spel chekar vor sail, worgs grate !!!
This is an exclusive for *console* only. However even if was just for X-BOX you don't think MS would stop it being released on PC? Theoretically porting from X-BOX should be relatively easily taking the use of DirectX etc.
However the PC is the real home of Doom. You need a mouse and keyboard for full control. Also with the easy online access is really needed for he online multiplayer expirence
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It may well be the technology that dictates where DOOM3 can play, as it's going to be very dependent on hardware pixel and vertex shaders. It could likely only make it to Gamecube and Xbox anyway, unless they cripple the engine just to get it running on PS2.
Cant be true, two reasons.
Doom stated on the PC, it is only logical, taht with such a huge fan base using the PC platform to release it for the PC first. Woul not make good business sense not to.
Second why would they go through all the R&D of making a PC Alpha (I have seen it) and then scrap it?
There is kplayer, an emerging KDE frontend to mplayer, which actually plays formats that people use, but that' snot included in kdemultimedia. Meanwhile, there are about 85 different mediaplayers in the kdemultimedia package, none of which play anything except MP3, and even then you'll be thanking the bit-gods if you've reached the end of an album without a crash.
Article: It'll still come out on the PC, of course.
Submitter: I'd be sad if Doom 3 required me to use the X-Box's controller.
Me: Read the article!! It will still come out on the PC, so you won't need to use the xbox controller... sheesh...
It would be a privilige for ID to be granted the opportunity to release this game solely for the X-Box.
No doubt, the slashdot herd cannot appreciate that consoles are the only true gaming platform.
I cannot bring myself to imagine the tormet that the poor, deluded members of the slashdot status-quo must feel with every successful venture that a true American company like Microsoft carries out. It concerns me how such a mass of people can delude themselves into these diabolical liberal ideals; that Linux is a viable platform for gaming, that Microsoft is doomed to failure.
It is a miracle that the PC is considered a worthwhile platform at all. Microsoft has repeatedly proved, with subsequant, painstakingly revised releases of their operating system, that the PC is an unsuitable, unreliable peice of equipment to perform any reasonable computing task.
J.M. Tennant
It talks about *console* version only being for the xbox and even says: "It'd still come out on the PC, of course."
Hey, I got a novel idea: How about if the editors acctually read the linked article before they post stories?
Go back to posting dupes five times in the same day. At least you'd be good at that.
Microsoft is actively courting id Software for the exclusive console rights to Doom III. According to the article--a feature on current developments in the jaw-dropping PC FPS--the company behind the Xbox is offering an undisclosed amount of money to id in exchange for the right to make their latest game an Xbox-only title as far as consoles are concerned. (It'd still come out on the PC, of course.)
And just where does the OS on most PCs come from?
Yes, the article is short on facts and long on speculation...still, perhaps a more appropriate title would have been "Could Doom III be Microsoft Exclusive?"
Let's pretend for a moment that this really is going on behind the scenes. Does it make sense for id to create software for one console, when there are several choices out there? Microsoft would have to pony up a lot of cash to make up for lost revenue from other consoles, which we are all well aware that they can certainly do.
In a sense, Microsoft would be buying up a monopoly on Doom III. What did Microsoft get a vicious finger-waving from the DoJ for again? Oh yeah, abuse of monopoly power. If this is all going down as told, it appears that Microsoft DID in fact learn a good lesson from the anti-trust trials...the DoJ's bark is worse than its bite.
Government's idea of a balanced budget: take money from the right pocket to balance...oh who am I kidding?
Don't trust the slashdot editors, they usually screw it up. If you RTA, which in this case takes only a few seconds, you'll see that the rumour is only that it will be available on X-Box and no other *consoles* - the deal MS is supposedly offering concerns exclusivity in the console market and nothing else. And if the rumour is true, it's basically free money for id, since they were not planning to port it to any other consoles anyway.
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ofcourse it's goign to be for PC. you can pre order the fucking game from Best Buy and it even says Platform: PC
I hardly see anything wrong with buying exclusive rights for games and development houses in order to make your console more attractive to the consumer. Nintendo did this (bought Rare), and I thought Sony did something similar with Square. This is hardly new behavior, and there's nothing inherently wrong with this. See it as a method of adding value by buying rights to things.
If you want Doom3 on a console, you'll have to buy an Xbox. That's the plan. It's not monopolistic, nor is it morally wrong. It's just a good way of doing business.
-Erwos
Plausible conjecture should not be misrepresented as proof positive.
It's quite obvious where Id's market lies...not with Microsoft products...I don't think this posting was necessary on Slashdot, it insults the reader's intelligence.
if this was in wired first, why not just link to the wired article? why are getting our news from gamepro? cmon that magazine exits for 10 year olds. i would like to think that the poeple running /. are a little ahead of 10 year olds
Doom III can run on a pretty shitty system pretty good. i got the alpha version of it. i turn off AA, and OC my card from 250/400 to 275/450. my system specs are AMD XP 1700+ OCed to 1.5, 512 MB DDR 266, (2) 40 GB HDs, GeForce 2TI, and a Sound blaster audigty. i run it at 800X600, 16 bit color, and everything else set to low or mid. i get a frame rate of about 25 AVG
So, do you mean Doom III will only work on xbox linux ? :-)
Maybe they can cut a hostage deal so PS2 owners can get Doom III and I can get Grand Theft Auto for my X-Box
fuck unreal tournament 2003, try using the gforce fx on unreal 2, i have had that game for about 2 weeks now and, uh, yeah ut cannot hold a candle to unreal. so quit using ut2k3 as a bench mark because it is a much easier game to render than unreal. same with q3, those types of games are easier to do because the maps are smaller. seriously try the gforcefx with unreal and you will see that card become a 400 dollar paper weight
He said shooters.
I'm sure Doom3 will come out for the PC. But if Monopolysoft gets it as an X-Box "exclusive", will the PC version be released after a long delay, just like Halo?
Personally I don't think Carmack would allow that to happen. Microsoft on the other hand, would LOVE for that to happen..
Too bad GamePro, Slashdot and other sites feel for it.
i think you should read the article first before you even read the submitters comments
Could we all start submitting stories with links to sites that have absolutely nothing to do with them, seeing as how the eds just seem to make sure the link points to something containing the right keywords? We could have our own April Fools whenever we wanted!
I'm more excited about the licensed games using Doom 3's engine than Doom 3. Also, as Warbucket pointed out, to get the "full" Doom 3 experience (legally), you're going to have to drop about a hundred bucks US. (Trust me, those links actually go to the right place.)
Anyone attend HRUMC X yesterday? Just curious.
Green-voting, republican-registered, socialist-libertarian.
1) sell (exclusively license) doom3 to microsoft
2) profit
3) change intro screen
4) release doom4
5) profit
members are seeing something, your seeing an ad
Anyone heard anything about a penguin-flavored version?
> (It'd still come out on the PC, of course.) /. editors have once again proven themselves to be illiterate (Dammit Taco, why? :-)
is pretty straightforward to me... I guess the
Is this April 1st ?
A slashdotting - you get the stick first and then the carrot !
Why would ID Software want to showcase their crown jewel in a "cut down, reduced" fashion? Why work so hard on pushing the limits if you have to turn half the good stuff on just so Microsoft's PC-in-a-box can run it?
The ONLY platform that can show Doom3 the way it is meant to be played is the PC. ID would sell themselves short by allowing Microsoft to pull a Halo with Doom3.
Sheesh, do people here know how to speak American? It's not "a xbox" it's "an xbox".
I'll donate all my money to the little baby orphans.
April Fools!!!!
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#1 Which has been mentioned already, this is exclusive rights for the consoles ... not the PC
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"Xbox is offering an undisclosed amount of money to id in exchange for the right to make their latest game an Xbox-only title as far as consoles are concerned. (It'd still come out on the PC, of course.)"
Also, this is not something new, in fact Carmack has been basically saying that Doom III might only be available on XBox, after the PC version is released.
"At the annual QuakeCon gathering in Texas over the weekend, Id Software head John Carmack revealed that Doom III, the FPS to end all FPSes, will likely be ported to the Xbox after the final PC version is complete. The Xbox, according to Carmack, is the only console platform the company plans to release Doom upon; Carmack also said that the Xbox port will not lose out on any of the PC version's graphic effects."
http://www.gamepro.com/index.html?/gam
...I'll not play Doom3 then :)
Hope this doesn't get tossed into "troll land", but I think it deserves pointing out.
Game consoles are entirely commercial endeavours, designed first and foremost to pry the maximum amount of money from your wallet for games played on them.
Whether you prefer Playstation 2, X-Box, Nintendo, or something else - I haven't seen any freeware or "try before you buy, $10 shareware" packages released for any of them.
Pretty much everything I've seen run on them could (and *usually* is) done about as well (if not better!) on a PC.
The obvious advantages game consoles have over computers are mostly convenience-releated. (EG. You can throw it on your big TV in the living room and boot a game right up in 10 seconds with no prior knowledge of operation, other than the power and "eject CD tray" buttons.)
If you want to pay their prices for the convenience, then great! I have no qualms with that. I just don't see why there would be any outcry (especially from *this* crowd) when a company like Microsoft tries to ensure a game title only comes out for their console?
I thought pretty much all of us interested in such concepts as "open source" or "shareware", or even "cross-platform availability" were using PCs!
Keep in mind that Microsoft has a long and rich tradition of buying anyone that makes better products than they do that they can't otherwise quash.
Remember Bungie, once pretty much the only significant Mac-only gaming company?
IIRC, id is a privately-owned company, but what if *you* were Carmack and MS offered to fund *your* rocket-making experiment, plus more Ferraris? Would you at least consider an exclusive license on one game?
I mean, here's what I'm saying. Carmack is a really damn good software engineer, and id is a really good company. Carmack's done tons and tons of work for Linux and other platforms -- he's been a powerful OpenGL ally, he's pushed Linux gaming, wrote large portions of the XFree86 GLX 3d driver for my Matrox card as volunteer work, has released all his games crossplatform (and I think id has consistently lost money on Linux releases). Lots of interest in Linux gaming came about *because* of his work, so he's indirectly responsible for much Linux gaming.
Yet, does him doing all this justify everyone expecting him to say no to lots of money *again*?
May we never see th
It's just not right without a mouse!
Neither of the first two Doom games used a mouse at all.
Later,
Patrick
What have they been doing all this time? Trying to take good promotional photos of Carmack?
And I bet there won't even be an Apple release.
...we are reminided that slashdot is not a reliable news source. *sigh* how many people, do you think, will angrily email id software over your inaccuracy? how far do you think this rumor will spread?
the company behind the Xbox is offering an undisclosed amount of money to id in exchange for the right to make their latest game an Xbox-only title as far as consoles are concerned. (It'd still come out on the PC, of course.)
vk.
But you forget the numberone Slashdot rule: Microsoft is evil. They could spend money on helping a near extinct species regain it's numbers and be accused of wanting to raise said animal back to healh to use it in a super army to take over the world.
And even better yet:
"money to id in exchange for the right to make their latest game an Xbox-only title as far as consoles are concerned. (It'd still come out on the PC, of course.)"
I can live with people commenting without having read the articles, but now the editors add their clever comment without having read (or understood) the article
- We are the slashdot. Resistance is futile. Prepare to be moderated -
well what about p2-400, 512 pc 133, GeForce2 64mb and SB Live? That is what I'm on and I can run everything else under the sun solid, so far. Take your XP 1700+ and stab yourself in the eye with it, thats faster than most of us have. (Yes, Im too poor atm to upgrade my mobo/proc/ram)
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MS is the king of wasting money. They would happily pay 8 figures to make sure the most highly anticipated game around doesn't get released for the PS2 or Gamecube. Microsoft cares far more about 90+% market shares than profit. They never make money on anything until they reach that kind of market penetration
there's only one console fps that's even marginally playable, and that's metroid prime. and even prime isn't really an fps.
well, okay, that's a bit harsh, there are some decent console fps games, like goldeneye, but fps are always better on PCs. the gamepad just doesn't cut it for this genre.
so, if doom 3 actually *will* be xbox exclusive, which it won't: too bad, but I won't buy an xbox for it.
"...the company behind the Xbox is offering an undisclosed amount of money to id in exchange for the right to make their latest game an Xbox-only title as far as consoles are concerned. (It'd still come out on the PC, of course.)"
... and I highly doubt that Nintendo, with its reputation as a for-kids console maker, would like the idea of making Doom III (which is likely to be the goriest first-person shooter ever created) available on their console anyway.
As opposed to games like Resident Evil, Resident Evil 0, Eternal Darkness, and others?
Christ, just because Nintendo's core titles are pretty much geared for all ages doesn't mean they're not going to go for mature titles as well. Hell, they stopped censoring their games back in 1994, after they tried censoring the original Mortal Kombat and got spanked by Sega in sales as a result.
As far as the subject matter goes, though... this really is a non-story, as Carmack's been saying for a while that the X-Box was pretty much the only console he was planning to release Doom III on. Nothing to see here, folks...
...and according to the article, it's not going to be, would that be that bad? It would not be the end of the world.
Halo seemed like a great game at the time, I would have bought it. But then it was an x-box exclusive. And as such it just wasn't an interesting game for me anymore. I just forgot all about it and played some other good PC games.
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The very first sentence states: "Microsoft is actively courting id Software for the exclusive console rights to Doom III..." In other words there would still be a PC version, so ther orgional post and most of this whole freakin thread are moot.
**Whether you prefer Playstation 2, X-Box, Nintendo, or something else - I haven't seen any freeware or "try before you buy, $10 shareware" packages released for any of them.** on the contrary, console mags ship regularly with discs of game demos, game salesmen regularly give store owners such discs.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
The first sentence clearly states "Microsoft is actively courting id Software for the exclusive console rights to Doom III". Duh, no biggie I never really expected a direct PS2 port, did you? It will still come out for PC and Linux but perhaps the only console with a port is XBox. Read the first sentence of the articles you post, at the least.
Can't they read? Nuttin' worse than crappy journalism.
CmdrTaco is a god damn idiot.
If he read the story, it is for console exclusivity and doesn't affect PC gamers. Heck, I am not sure if the PS2 or Cube could handle this game.
One other thing, it is "Xbox", not "X-Box" you anti MS trollbait
Someone needs to edit flawed submissions. I thought for a minute there'd be no PC version which to me smacked of idiocy.
However, making it a console only version for the XBox while releasing it on the PC.
Eh, I dont' care. To me, FPS on a Console suck. I prefer the KB/Mouse method of input not the little slow to respond pads (in FPS modes, in other mods, the pads rock).
However, I'll never own an XBox so I don't care. Gamecube and PS2 are for me. MS isn't getting near my TV if I can avoid it.
No, I don't irrationally hate Microsoft. I irrationally hate the idea of Windows Media Player deciding how and when I can watch movies.
I'm an open-standards kind of guy. DVD is an open standard, sure it's an open RESTRICTED standard, but it's still open.
As a rock-in-roll Physicist once said, No matter where you go, there you are.
19-AUG-02
At the annual QuakeCon gathering in Texas over the weekend, Id Software head John Carmack revealed that Doom III, the FPS to end all FPSes, will likely be ported to the Xbox after the final PC version is complete. The Xbox, according to Carmack, is the only console platform the company plans to release Doom upon; Carmack also said that the Xbox port will not lose out on any of the PC version's graphic effects.
The PC version of Doom III was running all over the QuakeCon floor on 2.3GHz Pentium 4 systems equipped with ATI's next-gen Radeon 9700 card. However, Carmack commented that the game was designed more for the GeForce2 generation of cards and will likely require a 1GHz machine at the very least.
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so to anyone who doesn't think the Xbox has the hardware to handle Doom3, John Carmack says it does and I believe him more than anyone posting here. A crappy PS2 port would sacrifice too much visuals and would not even look the same.
I have this one mod point left, and I'd really like to mod the parent down as "Troll", but for some reason I can't find the drop-down box...
It's just not right without a mouse!
Who played Doom I or II with a mouse?
Exploration of space is much more important than monopoly issues on the entertainment market.
Owner of a Mensa membership card.
It will be an exclusive port.
This means they will port it to the XBOX and add a few extra levels / features.
RTFM
BTW this was reported and commented on in the gameing websites 2 weeks ago.
Yeah, but if they had actually reported what the article said, they would've missed the chance to bash Microsoft.
Ok, off topic, but why is the PS2 $199 everywhere? I t looks like sony are up to their old price fixing tricks.
"It would still come out on PC"
And wasn't it first demoed on a Mac? It would be surprising if it didn't come out on PC (Windows AND Linux), and Mac...
Although yes, the Xbox may well be the only console that gets it...
But with the (superficial?) similarity with a Mac, it probably wouldn't be a big task to port it to Gamecube... given that it would have likely only been out on the Xbox (console wise) anyway, wouldn't it actually be more valuable to Nintendo to convince id to do a Gamecube port - even non-exclusive - to boost it's fledglingly online strategy?
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(It'd still come out on the PC, of course.)
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it could even be AN exclusive...
C'mon - you're giving us geeks a bad name by using poor grammar in your headlines!
Remember, that's how the 'free market' works. I don't care how great the game is. If ID wants it's customerbase to stay loyal... they have to stay loyal to their customer base.
i dont plan on buying it for console, but i will purchase both the OSX and PC versions, cause you DO need a mouse and keyboard.
I want 2D games back.
It's not April 1st anymore.
Playing DOOM with a mouse is just wrong.
didnt know that the xbox supports opengl? ;P
I know you are psychotic, but please make an effort.
you gotta wonder what the slashdot editors .. none quite so lax as doing nothing but .. but These fuqn guys, they get
get paid some days. i mean, i've had lax
jobs
sitting around reading articles and then writing
little blurbs about them, let alone one so lax
where people send Me the articles to read, then
i write blurbs
paid to sit around, let people send them articles,
and then write blurbs about them without reading
them, at all. wow. i want that job. but not
working for this POS site. god i hate this place.
when OSDN finally dies and the butter people have
to go back to starbucks or pizza hut or wherever
the fuck they came from, i'm going to dance all
goddamn day.
Maybe Microsoft can increase the net worth
of John Carmack by a factor of 10.
That would probably do it, to convince him.
Then maybe we can read about even more exotic
sports cars or spacecraft development work
activities of Carmack. Very cool.
From the May 2003 print edition of Wired, page 153:
"We're being offered a pretty significant amount of money to sit on it until an Xbox port is done." -- John Carmack
"It" meaning Doom 3, of course. So MS is trying to get Id to delay Doom 3 for all platforms until an Xbox port is done. (Presumably, it'd come out for the PC first without any outside influence.) Do you really want to sit around while Id finishes the Xbox port, knowing that the PC version of Doom 3 is done?
Console doom players are just gonna get so owned on public internet servers.. muahahaha...
Any experienced doomster playing behind a keyboard and mouse is going to just massively _destroy_ the kids playing with one of those piddly little joystick gamepad thingies..
We'll have to invent a whole new term for the cannon fodder they'll be to those playing behind a PC...... hrmmm... lessee.. how bout:
xbox krispies, nice and chewey and so easy to make...
Do not spread "09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0" over the internet, thank you.
once you get used to it. not the original one of course, and i actually dont use the controller-s ms one, i use a madcatz controller-s style that is smaller, and i like it a lot. it's a little cheaper feeling than the offical one, but it's all i use now...
Don't you think id Software could simply be bought,
as was Bungie in order to make Halo an Xbox-oriented game?
Microsoft must have paid Carmack to make all the ports besides Xbox painfully slow. That must be why the Doom III Alpha ran at 20fps on my geforce 4..
So, Taco doesn't RTFA now.
Worst... news... post... EVARR!
You win again, gravity!
Now maybe it will be an xbox exclusive of all the consoles, but it will for sure be released in the computer world as well. John Carmack spoke about doom3 at quakecon 2002 and he specifically talked about it using the full potential of 5.1/6.1 sound on a computer.
Unless microsoft offered Carmack and the ID gang the head of Romero, I don't think xbox will be "the one."
I hope not, because I have vowed to never touch a piece of Microsoft Hardware.
"I feel it is my duty to look at the porn that kids download before I delete it, to be sure what it is."--School Admin
OK, the Xbox is the only console that gets Doom3.
Who cares? IMHO the past titles from id Software (Q2 and Q3) were pretty disappointing compared to Doom1 and Quake1. UnrealTournament and CounterStrike offer greater multiplayer fun. And Half-Life is IMO still the best ego shooter on PC hardware for single player.
And if you don't only look on PC hardware, you'll find the best single player ego shooter [1] of all times on console: Metroid Prime for GameCube.
([1] Metroid Prime is no "classical" ego shooter, it's a 1st person action adventure)
If you're a anti-MS type, then you might rejoice in this decision. Why? Well, because MS is obviously dishing out serious dough to a company you like and support in order to delay releasing the game anywhere else until the XBOX version is released. In the console gaming world, the XBOX really isn't cutting it with the market share they're (not) getting.
;+)
So, to summarize: A company you may hate is propping up a company you love to release the game on a platform they're going to flush on the next console life cycle iteration. (Witness the Dreamcast. Me? Bitter? hmmph)
Net effect: The company you love is going to PROFIT (glad to see *someone* figure out how to do this) at the expense of the company you don't like.
Feel better?
Now, go pre-order a copy of DoomIII or something.
Please mod this post only if you think others should/n't read this. I have enough ego^H^H^Hkarma. Thanks!
Yeah, this is never going to happen. Bungie pales in comparison to id, and they were easy sellouts. Carmack created the genre with his buddies at id. Yeah, I can see it now. Doom III exclusively on xbox, so everyone brings their xbox and a tv to Quakecon. No way. Anyone even thinking this could happen doesn't know anything about Carmack, id, or shooters, or they are trying to get slashdotted.
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> (It'd still come out on the PC, of course.)
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I lost confidence after seeing Taco and Hemos talk at MIT 5 or so years ago.
Umm... id Software games have always been OpenGL based. Seeing how the XBox only supports Direct3D, and I don't seen why John Carmack would waste the time porting the entire codebase to Direct3D.
If Microsoft had its way all games would be xbox exclusives. If Sony had its way, all games would be ps2 exclusives. etc.... So the fact that Microsoft would have Doom III be an xbox exclusive is fairly stupid.
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First like half of the posts pointed out, it only applies to consoles, not the PC Version. Microsoft would have to pay ID Bill Gates total income for the next five years before they would make it THAT exclusive
Second, Even if Microsoft didn't give ID the "Bag of Money" to make it XBOX exclusive for consoles it would make the most sense to put it on the XBOX anyway because
1) The mean age of owners is much higher on the XBOX. In fact it's around the age that ID is targeting.
2) The XBOX gamers are more FPS savvy then the other systems thanks to Halo.
3) The Networking system that the XBOX uses from being able to wire XBOX's together using a hub to XBOX live makes it perfect for deathmatching.
4) The XBOX, being a stripped down PC, gives ID the smallest amount of problem when it comes to porting it over, not to mention that the XBOX has the power to run Doom3 as close to the PC as possible.
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That this is like Sony making GTA PS2 exclusive. It means X-Box will be the only console it is sold on, but come on, the x-Box just doesn't have the gfx card for it. This is bullshit. If it does make it out on X-Box then it's going to look pretty nasty.
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Oh yeah, I'm way off base here. Exclusive DOA2 & DOA Volleyball. And that scary hatching X-egg thing didn't come from spontaneous generation.
and not to mention all the console exclusive titles that never release on the PC. pray tell, what business isn't intent on prying money out of consumers pockets? there's a lot of quality console sw dev companies that deserve my money for the superb products they put out.
XBox is Microsoft-proprietary, so it obviously offers ONLY the DirectX API. However, anyone who has read any of John Carmack's .plan knows that he uses OpenGL exclusively. Since XBox has no OpenGL, how can Doom3 run on XBox?
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some how I doubt the current generation of Xox could run DoomIII as well as the Home Computer systems will be able to. Already the new PC's are more powerfull then even a dedicated system.
yeah, I've seen Halo, very pretty, however that is XBox at its best, and DoomIII will set the bar above that, graphics wise.
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What's with the statement that it's just not right without a mouse?
Quake was the first Id game where a mouse even entered in to default controls. In Doom II, standard controls were the arrow keys for direction, to fire, to open things, and to side step. Sure, you could configure the controls in other ways (including a mouse? I'm not sure) but the main controls were keyboard-only.
Of course, I'm sure Doom III will have almost nothing to do with Doom II and will instead just be an extension of Quake III, but when I think Doom, I think *simple* controls. That was one of the things that made it a great game...
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I don't own an X-Box, I don't own a PS-2. I have serveral mediocre PC's, the most powerful of them being a 1.7GHz Celeron with an ATI Radon 7500. I do own an original Play Station though.
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I don't have the time or money to keep chasing the never ending hardware requirements of modern games. If you do, great, my hat's off to you. Me? I'll stick with NetHack!
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Seems to me that every "Xbox Only" games that come out a few months later it gets ported over to a different console or the PC, Halo will soon be coming out for the PC, that was an Xbox exclusive...right? And Splinter Cell that recently came out for the Playstation 2. I'm sure there are others, but those are the only ones that come to mind at the moment. I'm sure if every gamer had more patience there would be no need for anyone to own an Xbox, well unless your going to MOD it i guess...
I'd be sad if Slashdot authors actually read the articles. It's just not right without just linking them!
I'm sorry.... but if there was little or no mouse support for Doom 3, it would fall right in line with the first two Doom games. The only exception would be if Carmack himself deemed Doom Legacy or jDoom as the only decent modern Doom engines.
Then I'll never buy anothe Id game again. Sad but true.
Anyone who says they need a mouse to play Doom3 has obviously never played Halo. Also, RTCW is out in demo form for XBOX and its just about as nice as its PCs brother.
it says "console exclusive". That's been speculated since it was announced. In fact, Carmack himself has stated that the XBOX hardware was the only console capable of running DOOM III acceptably. The PS2 certainly can't run it. Seen what their "Spinter Cell" looks like?
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The XBOX is a great console, come into the game late, catching up on the number two machine in bits and rips, but so far in the dust of Number One console maker (and Evil Sith Master) Sony even a fan occasionally worries it won't go all DreamCast on us.
Nothing has so energized the staid console market -- and by extension, the whole gaming industry -- than the introduction of the XBOX and its deep-pocketed if often distracted Daddy.
So the deserving Carmack makes a bundle, Sony gets slapped around a bit, XBOX gets another Halo, the console industry rocks and rolls some more, and the PC faithful still get their shooter.
What's not to like?
Is this also the reason Duke Nukem Forever is being delayed ?
Why the hell don't the consoles have mouses and keyboards yet?! I was really impressed with the controls the first time I played Halo, until I realised that all they had done was manage to be almost as good as my PC. Now that some consoles use USB, there isn't even a technological reason to resist.
I'm tired of upgrading my desktop to play a video game once in a while. But the games I do like all require rich input devices. I want a console to play CounterStrike -- is that so much to ask?!
Carmack has held a grudge (well-deserved) against Microsoft since the days that OpenGL was forcibly replaced with Direct3D as the graphics standard.
This is also partially evidenced by the fact that Carmack switched his preference to Radeon as the preferred card during Doom3 development, while Nvidia at the time was frittering its resources to support the XBox.
All in all, I doubt Carmack would "orphan" his brainchild, so that Microsoft could benefit.
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since day one, I've played keyboard.
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The original DOOM was generally played with the arrow keys... or at least where I come from it was. Still, having a console controller... just ew. Not doom.
I hope they have nostalgic references to the original Doom... "You got the chainsaw! Find some meat!"
Exactly! Id Software is John Carmack and John Carmack is Id Software. John Carmack is the kind of guy that has his games ported to Linux out of the goodness of his heart, not because it is making him money.
Furthermore, John Carmack is also the same guy that releases his game engines under the GPL, once they are past their prime. Finally, John Carmack has also worked on open source projects... if I remember correctly, he helped develop Matrox drivers for Linux.
Also throw in the fact that the openness of the PC allows and the openness of Id Software's previous games veritably created the mod scene that spawned such things as Threewave CTF, Team Fortress, Rocket Arena... and arguably Half-Life, Counter-Strike, etc... Not releasing a PC port would kill this aspect of the community, or at least it would leave Id Software out of it.
While I understand that for JC to say a "significant" amount of money, it must be a staggering amount to real people - why would he do this (even if we are talking about just the console port)? If he does hold back the console releases until the XBox port is done, he gets $millions AND badwill of a bunch of gamers who don't use XBoxen. If he doesn't hold it back they are STILL going to sell it for the XBox and he'll still make $millions anyway. He's generally been pretty consistently FOR gamers in his decisions anyway - one of the reasons I deeply respect him.
Besides, I mean christ, it's not like Carmack is coding to earn his daily bread anymore, unless he has a catastrophic spending habit.
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Well, it *is* monopolistic, but that doesn't implicitly mean it is illegal (moral is another question altogether). Unless of course, the monopoly is *illegal*, and in this case it has been shown that microsoft has used illegal tactics to protect its monopoly from free and fair competition.
It wouldn't even be illegal for MS to take all its profits from selling its OSs and give it to id in order to seal the exclusive console deal - unless MS is shown to have an illegal monopoly in OSs (which they have). Even with the illegal OS monopoly, they could make the deal as long as the funds came from a product where an illegal monopoly wasn't held. For example, if the funds actually came from their console business (which is impossible since it hasn't made any money). The whole point is, are they using the unfair/illegal advantage they have in the OS market to enter markets they would otherwise be unable to enter. And I think it is safe to say that without their OS business they would be unable to continue to fund a console business that has been nothing but a money hole.
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They did? Did what? Made you use a controller instead of a mouse?
Tecmo was interested in the Xbox from the get-go. Microsoft never really had to court them to publish DOA3 on the Xbox...Tecmo wanted it to begin with. And DOAXBV. And Ninja Gaiden. And the forthcoming DOA4.
And at any rate, it's not like DOA3 was a system seller. Well, in Japan it was, but nowhere else, to be sure.
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They better not f*ck us like they did with Halo. And ports usually suck as well.
I know its not needed here because this game will come out for Pc, but if there were a game exclusive to Xbox that someone wanted to play on his Pc is there any software out there that would allow that?
If anything, i'd ask Nintendo or Sony if they want to give me money for the rights just to stuff it in Microsofts monopolistic face. Carmack has enough sense to see the poor monopoly marketing MS is doing with the XBox (Selling at a huge loss, posting lame announcements bashing other consoles whenever possible, giving away free consoles everywhere trying to artificially inflate their numbers, etc) .. He knows if he gives them exclusive rights he'll be directly supporting a monopoly.
There has never been Doom III on the Xbox. Never!
God will roast Microsoft's stomachs in hell.
ID is probably only going to make it for Xbox, in the console market, but im sure there will be a PC version.
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If *ANYONE* thinks for one moment that Console Gamers give a damn about Doom 3, the're stupider than they look. FPS games appeal to very,very few Console gamers. The Xbox crowd should've learned their lesson with Halo. This was the game that was going to cause the Xbox to replace the PS2 as the game console of choise. Yeah right. There's already a Xbox/DOOM 3 killer that's soon to be released in the US market for the PS2. It's called Final Fantasy X-2
Everyone wants to bitch about Taco not reading the article before posting, meanwhile all you article readers have been duped on yet another level. The so called "news item" is merely a regurgitation of information from Wired, but lucky for them slashdotters will pump their ad views for as long as the article is on the front page. What a great time it is to be a pseudo-journalist.
When console manufacturers offered exclusive contracts to developers, it was for less than the game would profit, so that it actually had a purpose. Nowadays, MS just likes the feeling of each sale.
you state: "3. A NV20 (GeForce 3) will be able to run Doom3 at 30FPS with max detail at 1024x768. It's a single-player game as well, so 60FPS+ isn't that big of a concern. With R300/350/NV30/35, you'll be able to get much higher framerates and use of anisotropic filtering and antialiasing. BUT, the game will be playable on a GF3." Where is your proof for this??? I think it has been clearly stated that GF4 was the system that would run it good while GFFX was the best option. GF3 will only run it in scaled down mode and definitely not high quality 30 fps 1024 mode!
After all, if it wasn't for Sony, I could be playing GTA/Vice City on my Xbox right now and getting much better graphics. I'm all for Sony getting shafted on this one. I plan to upgrade my PC though, once doom3 comes out.
What kind of crack are you smoking? Nobody started using mice seriously until Quake. Doom was too 2-dimensional for it to be any real bennefit.
Allow me to explain why.
Just some minutes ago I more or less "decided" to quit TF for good, as all my efforts to make snipers act in a civilized way failed.
As it is now, many guys will simply not play as a team, which renders the game dull by itself.
Snipers also are tweaked up to the point that the player can have a 99.99% hit ratio, without any chance of defense by other classes, even if the hit guy was faster (this is because the sniper has some time to kill after a rocket has been launched and still dodge before being gibbed).
As it is the game became unplayable. That argument of playing in a LAN house with friends is not valid for me.
Thus, if Doom3 playability ends up like Quake's, Microsoft can have it as I wouldn't stand cheaters anyway.
1) No Mouse 2) / No Keyboard
Somehow Halo managed to be enjoyable fun. Laying back on the couch to play grew on me - and this is coming from a former hardcore PC FPS player. Halo was the game I bought an Xbox for in the end, and 8-player LAN games (with 4 Xboxes linked via a hub) were remarkably fun. I played through the single player game twice as well - once alone, once with my brother.
3) Slow GFX Chip / 4) Slow CPU
It makes an amazing difference being able to optimise for a specific platform. You can write assembler that assumes a specific chip without worrying about little Johnny being able to run the game on his 3-year old budget AMD chip that doesn't have half the instructions you're trying to use.
The Xboxes hard drive and built in texture compression should mean that they can stream textures and level geometry into memory as you play - especially since it's a single player game and probably quite linear. The 64MB memory is easy to work around if you plan things correctly. The only doubt I have is that this is going to be id Software's very first Xbox game. It seems to take most software houses two tries to learn a new platform and master the nuances of dealing with it (just look at the differences between Grand Theft Auto 3 and Vice City).
5) No Hires GFX
I'm going to call "Bullshit" on that one. If you've got an HDTV or an HDTV to monitor conversion box you'll be able to view the game in high resolution (assuming Doom3 supports HDTV output).
For all those whining about only caring for the PC port - it's a single player game. Go play Breed (when it's out in a month+) or Battlefield 1942's Desert Combat mod on your PC instead.
In other words, [John Carmack claims that Doom 3] should be playable on [an original GeForce card] if you turn down the resolution and a lot of the effects.
And end up with 40x64 pixels and 1-bit color? In other words, Atari 2600, right?
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Most of the people i know who purchased an XBOX were PC gamers anyway. The XBOX lacks most of the japanese console games that characterize your traditional console since the NES days (Square RPGs, platformers, arcade racers, etc). XBOX really just has console-ized versions of PC games. Halo was the "killer app" of the XBOX, and it's a ripped-from-the-PC FPS. The RPGs all seemed very PC-ish too. What console-like games it has generally seem to be ports from other consoles.
So is Doom III on the XBOX going to sell XBOXes? I doubt it. In terms of a market share win, it would be significant for Sony, but not for Microsoft.
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The thing to watch is the source code to D3 - if it is released down the road as all the others have been then Carmack has resisted Satan.
If not, then he has yielded to the siren call of increased performance and a LOT of money...
We will see.....
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If you want Doom3 on a console, you'll have to buy an Xbox.
So, in other words, to play the top 3 games, I have to buy $550 worth of consoles plus a new TV, right? (I mentioned a new TV because the old TV doesn't have composite video in, and running the PS2 or Xbox through a VCR results in a picture that fades in and out.)
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even a fan occasionally worries [that the Xbox console] won't go all DreamCast on us.
Really? It looks like once Microsoft begins to lose sales of server software licenses to Sun, Red Hat, whoever distributes BSD, etc., Microsoft will have to cut funding of some of its loss-leader divisions such as Xbox.
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What gives?
Doesn't J.C. post here? Might he not be a little miffed at the unnecessary backlash and flood of emails he will likely get due to the editor's inability to RTFA? I hope so.
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id software has always been big on open source and cross platform compatability. Hence the reason that OpenGL was used quite extensivly, and the reason that id released the source to doom, etc. This would be completely out of character and therefore, not very probable.
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I've already read the wired magazine article that this "news" post refers too. Mostly the article is talking about the technology being used in the game. I don't remember reading anywhere that it would be an "exclusive" X-box title. Even if it was, this is only for technical reasons because the game requires so much graphics power.
One of the main points of the article was that game engine design itself would no longer be as important as cinema quality graphics come into play. In the future, it will be more like making a movie than making a video game.
Personaly I think that Microsoft is wasting time trying to get Id to make the game a XBox only game, because the other systems could never run the game. I'm just glad the the game is coming to the XBox at all considering the fact that my laptop could never run the game.
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I'd be really surprised if they could get Doom 3 to run in full glory on an XBox. I mean, people are talking that to play the game decently on a PC, your going to need a 3ghz machine with an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro. And even then your only going to get 30-40 fps.
XBox sounds seriously underpowered for this game
Doom3 is OpenGL (as all accelerated ID games are), and porting an OpenGL game to the XBox would pretty much involve a complete rewrite as the XBox used an API very similar to Direct3D, but different enough from OpenGL that it would be a signifigant amount of effort to port Doom3 (Unless MS provides ID with XBox GL drivers, which probably wouldn't be horribly hard, given nVidia's driver arch, they probably just need to tweak the geforce3 drivers a bit)
It's long been said that the only reason to get an XBox is Halo and perhaps Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell. Just yesterday I saw a commercial for Splinter Cell on PS2, with exclusive extra missions. I doubt it'll be very long before someone either ports Halo to PS2 or releases it commercially that way (the game can't stay there forever). I don't think there will be many games, especially those as widely popular and desired as Doom 3 (unlike the actual XBox system), that will be exclusive to one platform. Even GTA3 was ported!
I wonder what the outcome would be if iD released Doom3 exclusivly for Linux.
I know that Linux ports have never been profitable for iD in the past, but that seems to be primarily because there was a more accepted alternative: buy the Windows version and then patch it to run on Linux.
It's a given that Doom3 is going to be immensly popular when it comes out, regardless of what platform it's, so I would reason that this move would cause a massive surge in popularity of Linux among gamers.
It would be a good way for Carmack to give MS the big finger once and for all.
Besides, I'm not sure how OpenGL compliant the XBox drivers are. The only OGL software I've seen on the XBox is under Linux (which of course doesn't require the MS drivers). Wouldn't that be a kicker - you can play Doom3 on the XBox, but only if you install Linux on it.
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i remember when MS bought bungie for exclusive console rights to halo, they assured everyone that halo was also going to come out for the mac and pc. . . granted:
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1. halo may still come out for the mac/pc
2. id isn't nearly as hard up as bungie was
3. doom3 is more of a guaranteed sell for mac/pc than halo was
4. the story may just be some leftover april fool's joke
but my point is that just 'cuz a game is only given exclusive console rights doesn't necessarily mean it'll be a simultaneous release with the pc version. . . as a mac user my panties may not be in a knot but they sure did ride up the crack a bit.
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If it is locked to the xbox it is not important verry quickly the locks between xbox and pc are failling. Basicly breaking into a xbox is hard but converting a pc to run xbox is a lot simpler. Note this is the one thing microsoft overlooked.
Basicly in a few months is the guess from the developer cxbx will be able to run some xbox games on a pc. Now you got to relize that the xbox system is so close to a pc it is not funny. So speed will be the better on all new machines ie 700 mhz machine against a 1g+. The playstation software emulations eat power due to the amount that has to be converted ie processor is not a match.
So basicly this will fall any how so why worry.
of course, you realize that Bungie had already started colonizing the PC before MS bought them?
Quoting directly from the article, "....exclusive CONSOLE rights to Doom III."
Now wash your hands.
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What's the point of using acronyms when you have to type out the whole phrase anyways?
Yeah, I realize they give out demo discs all the time in gaming magazines and so forth.
That isn't really what I was talking about though. I've never seen one of those discs come with a true "freeware" game title that was fully functional/playable through all the levels.
I've also never seen anything for a console that worked the way most computer shareware works. (EG. Fully functional except for a "nag" screen reminding you to register, to remove said banner, or alternately - fully functional for X number of days before it expires.)
Traditionally, a console was too limited to allow this functiionality, but it might be more doable with something like the X-Box that has an internal hard drive.
The game demos are really just marketing/advertising tools, trying to suck customers in so they'll pay up for the "real" program.
Its kinda stupid to argue here, Xbox is the only console on the market that could run doom anyways, so who cares if its exclusive, i wouldnt wanna buy a hacked down version for ps2 or gamecube anyways
would never happen
First Person Shooters on consoles are absolutely horrible. The control sucks. The graphics are at a much lower resoultion that you can get on the PC and it just isn't any fun. The article does say that this might be exclusivity for consoles only, so I really don't care. Its not like Id needs the money unlike other companies MS has bribed.
get hold of a mouse and keyboard for the xbox. If M$ will let you.
If any of these slashdot, nerds bothered to read the new issue of Wired magazine, they might see this very subject covered in an article about doom 3. The basic jist of it: m$ wants id to hold of on a release till the xbox port is done. And they are willing to throw an assload of cash towards that simple goal.
IMO it'd be stupid of them to not take the offer.
This would be a deal only for the console versions of the game.
Even if Microsoft was to try to pay ID not to release a PC (or linux or mac) version I suspect Intel and NVIDIA would make a counter-offer. The round of upgrades that happens every time ID releases a new game are far too valuable to the hardware makers for them to allow this.
On the other hand everyone has their price. I'm sure if Microsoft threw enough money their way ID would even sell out entirely to MS.
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That is exactly the same as saying that Windows is a DirectX platform, so what the point in writing in OpenGL.
The person that wrote this either didn't think things through or is a troll.
Either way the person that modded this to +4 should take a good long look at themselves.
Not that ID or John Carmack would ever read what I write here, but I say go for it. ID Software should make Doom 3 an exclusive console release on the X-Box. Why? Many reasons:
ID Software have been really good for Linux and for open source. They donate hardware, software, and their time. They port their games to Linux even though there's no profit to be made. I say they deserve a break; take the cash. Nobody will think badly of you for doing it.
1) Can't GamePro read the Wired article correctly? It says id has been offered a large sum of money to come out on xBox much, much earlier than on a PC.
2) GamePro's website is worth several shovel pounds of #$*(#_$)#(. You visit their site and they tinker with your browser's history stack so you can't use the [back] button to return to where you were. Definitely a sign of a 10ser organization.
It is Doom III, come on!
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How many more of you mofo's are gonna blast your fake-ass intelligence and mention the "console only, PC still available" crap?! It's been mentioned so gosh damn many times, you might say it's been slashdotted! Move on already!
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Do people read the linked articles. DOOM3 is still headed to PC (AFAIK).
"latest game an Xbox-only title as far as consoles are concerned. (It'd still come out on the PC, of course.)"
1) The XBox is probably the only console platform capable of running DOOM 3.
From what I've read the DOOM3 engine makes heavy use of bump mapping. AFAIK the PS2 can't do bump mapping. The Xbox & Gamecube can. However the Gamecube might still be too memory (48mb) or speed restricted to run DOOM3. Though I must admit I didn't think the PS2 was capable of running Splinter Cell. But then the PS2 version of SC is of much lower visual quality than the XBOX and uses cheap hacks to simulate the more complex lighting that the XBOX does. Given the choice I'd still buy the XBOX version of SC over other editions.
2) I remember Carmack say in the past that the only console they'd probably target DOOM 3 at would be the XBox.
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Yes, and considering all the articles/remarks/etc by Carmack about "how well it will work on X system", specifically with certain video drives, one should probably clue in that the game is being developed for PC, regardless of what happens in the console arena.
This would be nice ass-kickin' for X-box arsenal though. My hopes would be that MS/ID find a nice way to all X-box players to join into deathmatch with PC players (assumptions being made that this game will have sweet deathmatch capabilities when at the final release stage).
Doom 3 Xbox exclusive my ass. Xbox fanatics don't even know wtf Doom 3 IS. id Software knows where their market is, and that's with hardcore PC gamers. That is ALL that needs to be said. Whoever posted the original needs to be shot, for this is nothing but a big floating log of BS.
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Actually just about any game worth mentioning that has come out in the last 5 years has put out a demo online first of all. And that would be a FREE demo.
Before everyone mods me down in knee jerk reaction to everyone's fav game discussion...
I just don't know if I'll be picking up Doom 3.
I mean, really, there has been a glut of great games that look fine out there. I am "Mr. Upgrade at the last minute," and I feel I represent many players that way. From the point of view of gameplay I just cannot see that Doom 3 will be really that exciting short of a LAN party contest to see if you have the fastest hardware and deepest visual requirements. Plus shelling out cash for all the requirements just feels insane.
There are some real reasons why I am unsure about Doom 3 and am only recently suspicious about Id:
1. I bought (RTC)Wolfenstein. Although it looked good for that time it didn't innovate anything short of Flamethrower effects and chicks in patent leather. That is why I play Battlefield now. I need innovation. Not visual innovation. Visual innovation is for Hollywood. If if plays in any fashion like the original Doom games, well, then, what is the point again? That was years ago. Goldeneye proved it was all about the friends and action, not the visuals. Dragging up prettier, spruced up versions of the past just feels like yet another money pit.
2. Brand loyalty has never panned out in video games. And there are really good FPSers out there. Like NOLF2. It will cost more than NOLF2. NOLF2 has stellar gameplay. NOLF2 looks good. NOLF2 has replay. Most games look good now and have good gameplay. If you are just running on the name now, then good luck. I am not a brand loyalist. I must inspect every purchase as much as possible these days, mostly because of the good choices out there.
3. There has been so much hype about it I have no idea where to turn to get an honest answer. Asking a geek about Id is like asking a person to make analysis about religion. So I have to wait and see. No honest sit downs from the doom team right now makes it feel like a turkey. I am afraid I am going to get this: "See? It's go the big 'Id Bang' at the beginning of the menu. See? Remember that? Its good!" Once again that is my opinion. It just smells fishy.
4. (RTC)Wolfenstein was short. If it is short, I'll be ticked off. Understandable reasons.
Id is starting to wear out its welcome in my mind. Game engines, yes, they're brilliant. They packed more through a 56k than I could ever imagine. Gameplay? After navigation, it jut ain't there. So let someone else deal with it. I know that everyone loves Carmack's skills instead of his games. I agree he is tight, but I just don't know if I care enough about hardware coolness to purchase a game over it.
And by the way, I ain't ever gonna rip it off. People deserve to be paid for their work. So either cough it up, wait it out, or don't play.
Just my $.02.
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And thats the facts, jack. I pray Carmack will "Do the right thing"(tm) and stay away from those monopolistic bastards at Microsoft. Anyone who has a shred of decency in the software developement world knows better to deal with Microsoft.
has an exclusive with microsoft and they are hurtin because of it, the fact that xbox isn't selling hurts the titles that are exclusive to xbox. doom3 is one of those titles that will boost xbox sales, but i would think they need about 5 doom3 caliber titles to really bring xbox back into the ballgame
Although it seems unlikely to me that this will happen, you have to remember exclusivity does not necessarily mean exclusive until the end of time. Case in point, Splinter cell. It was exclusive on the xbox for about 3 months before it was released for the PC and PS/2. I see that as a win-win for all parties involved. I'm sure a lot of xboxes were sold because of SC, UbiSoft i'm sure was paid a lot of money to keep it exclusive through the holidays, and they still get the PS/2 and PC revenue.
I own a gamecube, but the only FPS games I play are under Linux On a amd pc box I could care less about exclusivity I don't even like FPS on consoles (maybe Metroid Prime)real gamers use mice preferably optical mice
A recent article in one of the gaming mags covered the woes of Sega recently. When Sega announced that they were abandoning the hardware business (boo) and training their sites on EA as the top third party game publisher, everyone thought this was a logical step. Who else could best EA? The catalog of games and sheer amount of astounding talent should have made them an instant contender for the top spot. It's been, what, three years now, and it hasn't happened. Sega has had financial problems and hasn't really challenged EA in any real respect (with the possible exception of the 2Kx sports series - which is phenominal, though I don't have sales figures). One of the key points that the article rasied as a misstep for Sega was making exclusive deals with Microsoft for certain high profile titles for the X-Box. Sales of the X-Box have been lackluster in the US, worse in Europe and nigh non-existent in Japan. This lack of hardware penetration has severely limited the sale of the X-Box exclusive Sega games. Now there are rumors that Microsoft is looking to buy Sega (PLEASE don't let that happen!). So the exclusive deals may turn out to be a win-win for Microsoft and a lose-lose for Sega and the gaming community.
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All I'm saying is that it's a practical decision. Whoever modded me as flamebait only succeeds in exhibiting typical Microsoft-bashing childishness and ignores the fact that I'm inciting a technical discussion.
> Hell, they stopped censoring their games back in 1994
I didn't say anything about censorship. I just said Nintendo wouldn't like the idea. And verify your facts -- Nintendo didn't STOP censoring games, they simply limited their censorship policies and they strongly advise parents to look at ESRB ratings. And you won't see uncensored licensed triple-X games there (that includes both sexual and violent content), like you see on the Playstation. (And no, BMX XXX is NOT a triple-X title as the name suggests.)
It also seems that the GameCube also doesn't have a stencil buffer and doesn't support DOT3 bump mapping (the specs doesn't say so, and it seems to be using older ATI tech; please correct me if I'm wrong), so it would suffer the same problem as with the PS2 when it comes to Doom III.
Pet peeve: Profane people propagating perfunctory pedantry.
Great game, though.
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