"there is no morality,"
or perhaps there are other things in the world than a human idea by that very name...and that it may not be the most important or at all important. i don't think i even have to go that far, however.
wouldn't a sheer "i will not impose my [elitist] morality on you, feel free to cheat if you think you can get away with it" work?
"free reign to do what we must to get ahead?"
i think the idea of freedom is a hack and fraud, but this may be besides the point.
"Or perhaps you don't feel that cheating harms anyone" lots of things carry risk, this one in specific carries risks both to the person involved, the community(as the cheater may not know needed information, and pseudoinnocent bystanders(students like me)...
but i expect a level of risk:productivity assessment from everyone, or at least encourage it.
"said. Cheating, of the teen-age sort we talk about most frequently, doesn't get you anywhere. "
i think 0.5% made the difference between 20,000$ worth of scholarships and nothing in scholarships for a student 2 years ago...(2 students had high 90s averages. one hit the jackpot multiple times, the other... is treated like a normal everyday student) i actually liked him much better, was less involved in football than in math and Computers...but the both of them were doing so many things on so many fronts, getting extreemly high marks, being way over involved, volunteering way too much, etc...its too bad there had to be a loser in that case. i at least hope the second guy got into university(with his marks i can see it).
(isn't 100 average?)
yes
while money isn't all its cracked up to be, starvation/poverty sucks.
Anywho, good luck in school
thanks. semester starts on the 5th... i have a lot of ground to cover, although i'm starting to get that neo-at-the-end-of-the-first-matrix-flick-feeling dealing with this pre-calc math that ive kept myself busy with.
you are right, and costs do add up...but besides property taxes...how much of this simply has to be paid? i havn't paid a cent in insurance nor likely will i ever. no one NEEDS lots of electricity or telephone (although heat may be needed some places...mabye). hell i think it may even be possible to live without running water. mabye... and is property tax really equal to rent? wouldn't that mean rent would have to be raised to compensate?
but mr inoshiro has a good point.*cringe* with rent, the amount you owe is dependant upon how long you live*, and is just as nasty if not worse than debt that has been acknowledged elsewhere.
except that in some cases it is much worse, because if you do not keep up in your payments you find yourself without shelter, and if you are lucky enough to live anywhere similar to here(saskatchewan), you freeze to death...
debt on the other hand, just grows more and more unmanigable.
take for example my old apartment.
at 280$ per month, 12 months a year, for 100 years of renting would have meant
roughly 336,000$ of debt, which must be paid off in the installments that the rentor wishes, or higher...
and by the way, it takes more than debt to enslave someone.
if you really wanted to do that, you would need to take a hold of something else that they need in their life, for example, the small 10X10 room that keeps them from freezing to death when they aren't allowed to be at work(see above),
OR alternatively to take hold of their wage or job security, so that they must do your bidding otherwise be eternally enslaved in another way.
if anything, however, rent is MORE debt than any other debt you may be able to imagine, because unlike other debt, that you can try to overlook, there is an automatic, expected result of not paying your rent. freezing to death or loss of livingspace.
on the other hand, all of this is really just different heads of the same beast---the stuff that people without mountains of cash can be persuaded to do horrible and terrifying things with. fuck capitalistic tyrrany!
*how long you live under rule of this rentor
and to keep from being moderated offtopic too many times,...
i am visiting my parents in saskatoon [from regina, saskatchewan, canada]. i took a shower the day i got back, but when i got out i noticed my pants were all missing!!!
it seems my parents dont appreciate the
grunge-GNU/Hippie-not_quite_homeless look i have inherited lately...so they turned most of my clothes to rags.
so i got socks,pants,and underwear to replace my other clothes upon return. So as a christmas\birthday present, i got to have my parents dress me for two weeks:\
i'm now on academic probation and fear that this may be my last semester of university.
sure, i could be smarter(my iq is only around 120), and i could go on provigil, ritalin or speed to sleep even less...but i've really allready been studying 12-16 hours every day...and the 65 average is just barely within my reach.
why am i complaining here? because the program i am in is an _easy_ one... in my university you need a 85% average to just stay in the electrical engineer program... i could never do that and this university is actually one of the most lenient in the contry...
in other words...when the differece is between a 4.9 gpa and having my marks...id suggest for anyone else to cheat, if they think that they can pull it off.
its evolution baby. survival of the fittest. and i can tell you right now that i am not the fittest...and if you were to cheat, and me not...this gives you that much more of an edge that you could survive that much longer on...
get good marks, succeed, at any cost short of not learning anything(after all, knowledge is power)
funny, i think neitzcshe made a good case that christianity _Is_ 'anger and bitterness', incarnate.
while i can see your point as quite possibly true...
i think theres enough repressed hate instilled in christianity over the millenia to say that this is not relavant to your goal--the depreciation of the validity of atheism...
hate after all appears to currently be a part of the human situation currently...coulnd't we just admit this fact and then, keeping it in mind, continue trying to find reason?
-ps i'm not an atheist.
"there's no such thing as a foxhole in an atheist"
well guys, what _can_ we do to patch this security hole? i mean obviously there are exploits running in the wild and all...the above poster's temporary fix is akin to 'hrm...we seem to have a bug in the kernel...so no one use linux for a few weeks.'
this is my idea we find a female who we can trust and apply them as an interface with local reality. it will work like this
world? -+- trusted woman -+- poor falliable guy.
because the woman involved has no vested interest in exploiting our lack of future (bonus if said woman is ugly or >300lbs so no lack of future occurs). summarry: we need a cadre of women shells to protect us from the world, men, for my proposed man-patch. women are not exploitable to this security hole by default, so no action is needed to protect them from it.
has the cost of creating original work.
sure, there's a lot of crap out there...but i've seen some work done with Adobe Photoshop that rivals Van Gogh. there's scary amounts of talent out there, a lot of whom will work for free just to get their art into the world...and because technology is allowing us lower cost methods of producing such amazing work, the argument that it costs nothing to copy instantly works is becoming more and more stale...because truly, everything is becoming easy, and both 'creating new work' and 'copying older work' is included in everything.
of all the posts in response to me, you are the only person to actually give me something in response to my quest.
although, as discussed elsewhere in this thread, it's not exactly a better option.
but it is AN option, so i suppose i should give thanks, and upgrade my worldview.
1. it is conceivable, that a person could sauder together their own 120 baud - 480 baud modem. it is conceivable a group of induviduals eventually can concoct a higher speed dialup modem, but i'm really not seeing ever being to the level of expertise needed to manipulate data on the millions of bits persecond rate that higher speed cable and dsl connections do. these technologies came about on the back of other breakthroughs, if i understand things correctly, and they just seem so complex that i can't imagine ever building one.
but a lower-end dialup modem? give me time and resources, baby.
2. Cost. 25$ is cheap, compared to everything else, but i've heard tell, and if i remember things correctly, the above poster alludes to, cheap dialup. there used to be FREE dialup in my old hometown (which turned to a pay service, allowing connection to the whole internet(whereas before it was just a small province/city wide network))...so i know right well it is possible for 25$ to seem high compared to dialup.
3. i dream of a day of using a handheld thin client over dialup from anywhere to connect to a text-only linux server and then doing whatever it is that needs doing from there, all from anywhere that has access to a phone line.
4. as technology increases, older computers are less and less able to connect to The Central Network(ie internet). putting a standard 386/486/p-i/ or even a newfangled 1GHz powered PC on the future ip8 network may turn to be futile...when the speed of your network goes up to 100GB/s or so, it's not going to be possible to connect these older boxes. so i'm starting now with the idea of feeder networks for slower/older boxes. to my knowledge, connecting an apple//e or era computer to ethernet/highspeed is futile mostly, but to a ppp/dialup/low baud connection? perhaps there is still hope for these older tech. this of course, goes a lot with #1.
4. censorship. to my knowledge ALL big broadband providers force CYA agreements onto their subscribers, which i am discusted by, and only really put up with it because there IS nothing else. but dialup in my dream does not suffer frome these things, dialup companies stand up to the riaa/mpaa/bsa. dialup companies are sane.
or am i totally wrong in this matter?
THIS and this alone is enough to discount the first of the posters(suggesting AOL), although cost does significantly as well.
hopefully this sheds a little light on why i would do a crazy thing like that.
was why i posted. because i do live in an outlier region, i suspect that people who live in places with higher capita per mile (such as tokyo or wherever the above poster is from) have a better choice of isp. and your post appears proof of this to me.
i may just quote you on this later on.
it wasn't me who wrote that(i wish i were that talented!). Rather, it was written by one Sean Kennedy(the fuckin man). I hope he publishes it one day, and when he does i will be one of the first to purchase it.
but you raise an important point, nonetheless. your absolutely right, it is their right as an isp to censor or not allow me to do certian things. However, it is also my right as their customer to tell them to shove it, because i beleive that all information should be free.
I started playing freeciv last week and i've allready put in ~45 hours into it.
i can't speak for everyone who uses linux here,
but perhaps if we stay doing things that have at least some conceivable merit rather than looking at porn and playing through simulations and games...that better things (ie, a better overall os to play games and look at porn on!) will come of it.
don't get me wrong. i think games (and porn) are great...but you can lose a lot of spare energy, and right now the last thing we need, as a community of users, and as people in general, is more [bread and] circus. we need in its' place, stronger communications forums, and more activity. go out, right now, to your local irc channel and say hi/io. spend 5 minutes or so talking at minnimum. breathe some life into your corrospondants.
that just pushes back the inevidible.
sooner or later people are going to have to come to grips that unless they want a significant lifestyle change (ie go live with the ahmish / go live out in the few square inches of wildnerness left alone and without the luxory of modern life)...that they are going to have to accept some interferrence in their life from electricity(mostly, acceptable nowadays, although raw electricity is _scary) and things on a nuclear level. sure you may lose five years off your lifespan, over all. mabye more. but those five years wouldnt be with you in the first place if we were living a short few hundred years ago, period.
look at the average lifespans of a human being, they have been steadily incresing for a long time, and this is no accident. conditions are improving, and much of this is thanks to electricity, and sooner or later a lot more of this is going to be because of nuclear-level manipulation and energy to some extent.
does this mean we should just let companies poison us at will? of course not. be aware of what's going on in your community and make sure theres' a reasonable amount of safety checks in place. toxic things are bad, umkay.
there used to be a chemical dumping ground nearby where i used to live...it had been paved over and made into a park, and me and my family used to walk through it with our dogs.(cancer got the dogs)
really? i'd love to know of one.
locally i think i have access to two.
the first is my university, and only because i'm a student, for 20$/month (30$/month phone line=50$/month. plus added bonus if i were to say something online or host something on my home computer they don't agree of i can be expelled. joy.)
or i can go with SaskTel for 50$/month (30$/month phone line=80$/month).
that's it. I'm in Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada, on Highspeed Cable (27$/month total) because it's the cheapest available.
on the other hand i AM interested in switching to an ISP, dialup (>=3000Baud) or otherwise, if they do not have such a fscked up EULA/Lisence Agreement. even at the same price.
so where are these 'dime a dozen isps'? i'm pretty sure sasktel drove the all out by now.
but i'm interested in knowing whatever it is that you know here, even if it's solely that there are still places in the world where theres' actually competition and thus at least at somewhere descent isp service.
why aren't you a poletician, then? if you are so much better than they? i suppose perhaps you live in a repressive third world nation of some sorts, and if that's the case, i'm sorry to hear this.
in my country, our poleticians tend to be as clueless as the public, but for the most part they are good-willed. even the most 'far right' fascistsic of them tend to really want to help the people who they serve. of course there's very little resulting difference as far as results go, but what you need to solve this problem is more democracy and mabye some more education/thinking in your home country.
if the public is onto stupid blame games, and other poletics-as-usual, playing them becomes less and less important, in a darwinistic way.
on the other hand, if the public is stupid, theres little you can hope for beyond a stupid ruler...
SCO is not only plain wrong, but also clearly harmful. people with resources to burn must act, and act now. every rational means available, from lawsuit to DDoS to firebomb, must be employed to impede their business, and lives.
unless you want to tell me you have faith that the corporate^W justice system in the united states will function correctly, 100% of the time.
i know of plenty of assholes whose 'houses i would vandalize', but in reality there are just _so many of them_ that trying to even make a dent on that list is futile. i have better things to do with my time anyway.
but these inspired induviduals have time to burn, and resources to kill off, so they used them as an appropriate show of force against a bile clogging the legal system in one of the wordls most important and powerful nation. hell, i'd buy whoever did this at least a beer for his efforts, and for saving me and everyone else out there the effort.
remember, every second SCO's website remains up, the more chance they have of making money by accident or by momentum to fuel their lawsuit-based business model, mostly against linux and other things that i at least, hold as important enough to fight for.
on the other side, the older definitions of civil dissobedience are flawed(as technology has made them moot), and secondly, people who pull them off _are_ liable to end up in prison. it can and may just happen.
that's what being anonymous on the net is all about.
IHATEAOL69 and AOLSUCKSCOCK3 could join the xmms team, and so long as they stayed that way, i don't think anyone would care, as long as the software worked.
what version you are using, but i've been using xmms for greater than a month, and havn't had any problems with it.
granted, i havn't heard anything above 192kbs so mabye in the high ranges things go to hell, but over all it's a great system.
and i've been using the version that comes with Debian --stable.
mabye your soundcard just sucks?
sir, you are either on crack, ignorant, or something.
there _is_ no solution, that you are seeking. that is the nature of the problem. thousands of years of religious termoil and revenge fueled war is not going awy, period.
you DO have the right idea that martial law fixes nothing, and that terrorists will strike terror into us no matter what obscene protections we have from them. but the idea that there is anything that CAN be done is absurd. the time when you COULD have solved things was long, long ago, quite possibly before the british empire started growing free from the romans.
part of the reason that the islamist and other movements are so fueled against the peace-loving democratic nations(if you can call them that),
is the torture their descendants endurred. remember that, and try to imagine them suddenly putting their hatred aside. it's not going to happen.
ok actually there IS a 'final solution'. and it is just that, the final solution. and worse still, is that you are actually talking about it. even if you don't know this.
and a lot of jews, gypsies, and other non-"aryan" people died, during one attempt at 'the final solution'.
you can't change the past. but you can be aware of it's significance.
was with woody.
i'm still using woody, and i've gone through at least a good two dozen installs of it, and have been using it for almost a year, and i plan to use it for the rest of my life, or at least for a long time. and i havn't yet seen a linux distrobution...or any Operating System for that mattere...that even comes close in my mind, to all of the collection of benifits that debian provides.
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"there is no morality,"
or perhaps there are other things in the world than a human idea by that very name...and that it may not be the most important or at all important. i don't think i even have to go that far, however. wouldn't a sheer "i will not impose my [elitist] morality on you, feel free to cheat if you think you can get away with it" work?
"free reign to do what we must to get ahead?"
i think the idea of freedom is a hack and fraud, but this may be besides the point.
"Or perhaps you don't feel that cheating harms anyone"
lots of things carry risk, this one in specific carries risks both to the person involved, the community(as the cheater may not know needed information, and pseudoinnocent bystanders(students like me)... but i expect a level of risk:productivity assessment from everyone, or at least encourage it.
"said. Cheating, of the teen-age sort we talk about most frequently, doesn't get you anywhere. " i think 0.5% made the difference between 20,000$ worth of scholarships and nothing in scholarships for a student 2 years ago...(2 students had high 90s averages. one hit the jackpot multiple times, the other... is treated like a normal everyday student) i actually liked him much better, was less involved in football than in math and Computers...but the both of them were doing so many things on so many fronts, getting extreemly high marks, being way over involved, volunteering way too much, etc...its too bad there had to be a loser in that case. i at least hope the second guy got into university(with his marks i can see it).
(isn't 100 average?) yes
while money isn't all its cracked up to be, starvation/poverty sucks.
Anywho, good luck in school thanks. semester starts on the 5th... i have a lot of ground to cover, although i'm starting to get that neo-at-the-end-of-the-first-matrix-flick-feeling dealing with this pre-calc math that ive kept myself busy with.
you are right, and costs do add up...but besides property taxes...how much of this simply has to be paid? i havn't paid a cent in insurance nor likely will i ever. no one NEEDS lots of electricity or telephone (although heat may be needed some places...mabye). hell i think it may even be possible to live without running water. mabye... and is property tax really equal to rent? wouldn't that mean rent would have to be raised to compensate?
but mr inoshiro has a good point.*cringe*
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with rent, the amount you owe is dependant upon how long you live*, and is just as nasty if not worse than debt that has been acknowledged elsewhere.
except that in some cases it is much worse, because if you do not keep up in your payments you find yourself without shelter, and if you are lucky enough to live anywhere similar to here(saskatchewan), you freeze to death...
debt on the other hand, just grows more and more unmanigable.
take for example my old apartment. at 280$ per month, 12 months a year, for 100 years of renting would have meant roughly 336,000$ of debt, which must be paid off in the installments that the rentor wishes, or higher...
and by the way, it takes more than debt to enslave someone.
if you really wanted to do that, you would need to take a hold of something else that they need in their life, for example, the small 10X10 room that keeps them from freezing to death when they aren't allowed to be at work(see above),
OR alternatively to take hold of their wage or job security, so that they must do your bidding otherwise be eternally enslaved in another way.
if anything, however, rent is MORE debt than any other debt you may be able to imagine, because unlike other debt, that you can try to overlook, there is an automatic, expected result of not paying your rent. freezing to death or loss of livingspace.
on the other hand, all of this is really just different heads of the same beast---the stuff that people without mountains of cash can be persuaded to do horrible and terrifying things with. fuck capitalistic tyrrany!
*how long you live under rule of this rentor
and to keep from being moderated offtopic too many times,... i am visiting my parents in saskatoon [from regina, saskatchewan, canada]. i took a shower the day i got back, but when i got out i noticed my pants were all missing!!! it seems my parents dont appreciate the grunge-GNU/Hippie-not_quite_homeless look i have inherited lately...so they turned most of my clothes to rags.
so i got socks,pants,and underwear to replace my other clothes upon return. So as a christmas\birthday present, i got to have my parents dress me for two weeks
sure.
ok...i have never cheated. ever.
i'm now on academic probation and fear that this may be my last semester of university. sure, i could be smarter(my iq is only around 120), and i could go on provigil, ritalin or speed to sleep even less...but i've really allready been studying 12-16 hours every day...and the 65 average is just barely within my reach.
why am i complaining here? because the program i am in is an _easy_ one... in my university you need a 85% average to just stay in the electrical engineer program... i could never do that and this university is actually one of the most lenient in the contry...
in other words...when the differece is between a 4.9 gpa and having my marks...id suggest for anyone else to cheat, if they think that they can pull it off.
its evolution baby. survival of the fittest. and i can tell you right now that i am not the fittest...and if you were to cheat, and me not...this gives you that much more of an edge that you could survive that much longer on... get good marks, succeed, at any cost short of not learning anything(after all, knowledge is power)
funny, i think neitzcshe made a good case that christianity _Is_ 'anger and bitterness', incarnate.
while i can see your point as quite possibly true...
i think theres enough repressed hate instilled in christianity over the millenia to say that this is not relavant to your goal--the depreciation of the validity of atheism...
hate after all appears to currently be a part of the human situation currently...coulnd't we just admit this fact and then, keeping it in mind, continue trying to find reason?
-ps i'm not an atheist.
"there's no such thing as a foxhole in an atheist"
fight eula vendor lock-in. support the eff. support the fsf
well guys, what _can_ we do to patch this security hole? i mean obviously there are exploits running in the wild and all...the above poster's temporary fix is akin to 'hrm...we seem to have a bug in the kernel...so no one use linux for a few weeks.'
this is my idea
we find a female who we can trust and apply them as an interface with local reality.
it will work like this
world? -+- trusted woman -+- poor falliable guy.
because the woman involved has no vested interest in exploiting our lack of future (bonus if said woman is ugly or >300lbs so no lack of future occurs).
summarry: we need a cadre of women shells to protect us from the world, men, for my proposed man-patch.
women are not exploitable to this security hole by default, so no action is needed to protect them from it.
has the cost of creating original work. sure, there's a lot of crap out there...but i've seen some work done with Adobe Photoshop that rivals Van Gogh. there's scary amounts of talent out there, a lot of whom will work for free just to get their art into the world...and because technology is allowing us lower cost methods of producing such amazing work, the argument that it costs nothing to copy instantly works is becoming more and more stale...because truly, everything is becoming easy, and both 'creating new work' and 'copying older work' is included in everything.
MS will force Clippy on you, whereas Emacs will let you use him if you alt-c-ctr-p-delete-ctr2-pageup. ie you have to want something to get it.
of all the posts in response to me, you are the only person to actually give me something in response to my quest.
although, as discussed elsewhere in this thread, it's not exactly a better option.
but it is AN option, so i suppose i should give thanks, and upgrade my worldview.
1. it is conceivable, that a person could sauder together their own 120 baud - 480 baud modem. it is conceivable a group of induviduals eventually can concoct a higher speed dialup modem, but i'm really not seeing ever being to the level of expertise needed to manipulate data on the millions of bits persecond rate that higher speed cable and dsl connections do. these technologies came about on the back of other breakthroughs, if i understand things correctly, and they just seem so complex that i can't imagine ever building one. but a lower-end dialup modem? give me time and resources, baby.
2. Cost. 25$ is cheap, compared to everything else, but i've heard tell, and if i remember things correctly, the above poster alludes to, cheap dialup. there used to be FREE dialup in my old hometown (which turned to a pay service, allowing connection to the whole internet(whereas before it was just a small province/city wide network))...so i know right well it is possible for 25$ to seem high compared to dialup.
3. i dream of a day of using a handheld thin client over dialup from anywhere to connect to a text-only linux server and then doing whatever it is that needs doing from there, all from anywhere that has access to a phone line.
4. as technology increases, older computers are less and less able to connect to The Central Network(ie internet). putting a standard 386/486/p-i/ or even a newfangled 1GHz powered PC on the future ip8 network may turn to be futile...when the speed of your network goes up to 100GB/s or so, it's not going to be possible to connect these older boxes. so i'm starting now with the idea of feeder networks for slower/older boxes. to my knowledge, connecting an apple//e or era computer to ethernet/highspeed is futile mostly, but to a ppp/dialup/low baud connection? perhaps there is still hope for these older tech. this of course, goes a lot with #1.
4. censorship. to my knowledge ALL big broadband providers force CYA agreements onto their subscribers, which i am discusted by, and only really put up with it because there IS nothing else. but dialup in my dream does not suffer frome these things, dialup companies stand up to the riaa/mpaa/bsa. dialup companies are sane. or am i totally wrong in this matter? THIS and this alone is enough to discount the first of the posters(suggesting AOL), although cost does significantly as well.
hopefully this sheds a little light on why i would do a crazy thing like that.
was why i posted. because i do live in an outlier region, i suspect that people who live in places with higher capita per mile (such as tokyo or wherever the above poster is from) have a better choice of isp. and your post appears proof of this to me.
i may just quote you on this later on.
it wasn't me who wrote that(i wish i were that talented!). Rather, it was written by one Sean Kennedy (the fuckin man). I hope he publishes it one day, and when he does i will be one of the first to purchase it.
but you raise an important point, nonetheless. your absolutely right, it is their right as an isp to censor or not allow me to do certian things. However, it is also my right as their customer to tell them to shove it, because i beleive that all information should be free.
I started playing freeciv last week and i've allready put in ~45 hours into it.
i can't speak for everyone who uses linux here, but perhaps if we stay doing things that have at least some conceivable merit rather than looking at porn and playing through simulations and games...that better things (ie, a better overall os to play games and look at porn on!) will come of it.
don't get me wrong. i think games (and porn) are great...but you can lose a lot of spare energy, and right now the last thing we need, as a community of users, and as people in general, is more [bread and] circus. we need in its' place, stronger communications forums, and more activity. go out, right now, to your local irc channel and say hi/io. spend 5 minutes or so talking at minnimum. breathe some life into your corrospondants.
that just pushes back the inevidible. sooner or later people are going to have to come to grips that unless they want a significant lifestyle change (ie go live with the ahmish / go live out in the few square inches of wildnerness left alone and without the luxory of modern life)...that they are going to have to accept some interferrence in their life from electricity(mostly, acceptable nowadays, although raw electricity is _scary) and things on a nuclear level. sure you may lose five years off your lifespan, over all. mabye more. but those five years wouldnt be with you in the first place if we were living a short few hundred years ago, period. look at the average lifespans of a human being, they have been steadily incresing for a long time, and this is no accident. conditions are improving, and much of this is thanks to electricity, and sooner or later a lot more of this is going to be because of nuclear-level manipulation and energy to some extent. does this mean we should just let companies poison us at will? of course not. be aware of what's going on in your community and make sure theres' a reasonable amount of safety checks in place. toxic things are bad, umkay. there used to be a chemical dumping ground nearby where i used to live...it had been paved over and made into a park, and me and my family used to walk through it with our dogs.(cancer got the dogs)
really? i'd love to know of one. locally i think i have access to two. the first is my university, and only because i'm a student, for 20$/month (30$/month phone line=50$/month. plus added bonus if i were to say something online or host something on my home computer they don't agree of i can be expelled. joy.) or i can go with SaskTel for 50$/month (30$/month phone line=80$/month).
that's it. I'm in Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada, on Highspeed Cable (27$/month total) because it's the cheapest available. on the other hand i AM interested in switching to an ISP, dialup (>=3000Baud) or otherwise, if they do not have such a fscked up EULA/Lisence Agreement. even at the same price. so where are these 'dime a dozen isps'? i'm pretty sure sasktel drove the all out by now. but i'm interested in knowing whatever it is that you know here, even if it's solely that there are still places in the world where theres' actually competition and thus at least at somewhere descent isp service.
why aren't you a poletician, then? if you are so much better than they? i suppose perhaps you live in a repressive third world nation of some sorts, and if that's the case, i'm sorry to hear this.
in my country, our poleticians tend to be as clueless as the public, but for the most part they are good-willed. even the most 'far right' fascistsic of them tend to really want to help the people who they serve. of course there's very little resulting difference as far as results go, but what you need to solve this problem is more democracy and mabye some more education/thinking in your home country.
if the public is onto stupid blame games, and other poletics-as-usual, playing them becomes less and less important, in a darwinistic way.
on the other hand, if the public is stupid, theres little you can hope for beyond a stupid ruler...
SCO is not only plain wrong, but also clearly harmful. people with resources to burn must act, and act now. every rational means available, from lawsuit to DDoS to firebomb, must be employed to impede their business, and lives.
unless you want to tell me you have faith that the corporate^W justice system in the united states will function correctly, 100% of the time.
i know of plenty of assholes whose 'houses i would vandalize', but in reality there are just _so many of them_ that trying to even make a dent on that list is futile. i have better things to do with my time anyway.
but these inspired induviduals have time to burn, and resources to kill off, so they used them as an appropriate show of force against a bile clogging the legal system in one of the wordls most important and powerful nation. hell, i'd buy whoever did this at least a beer for his efforts, and for saving me and everyone else out there the effort.
remember, every second SCO's website remains up, the more chance they have of making money by accident or by momentum to fuel their lawsuit-based business model, mostly against linux and other things that i at least, hold as important enough to fight for.
on the other side, the older definitions of civil dissobedience are flawed(as technology has made them moot), and secondly, people who pull them off _are_ liable to end up in prison. it can and may just happen.
project to maintain sustainable existance on earth for another 50 billion people? i think so.
that's what being anonymous on the net is all about.
IHATEAOL69 and AOLSUCKSCOCK3 could join the xmms team, and so long as they stayed that way, i don't think anyone would care, as long as the software worked.
what version you are using, but i've been using xmms for greater than a month, and havn't had any problems with it.
granted, i havn't heard anything above 192kbs so mabye in the high ranges things go to hell, but over all it's a great system. and i've been using the version that comes with Debian --stable.
mabye your soundcard just sucks?
sir, you are either on crack, ignorant, or something.
there _is_ no solution, that you are seeking. that is the nature of the problem. thousands of years of religious termoil and revenge fueled war is not going awy, period.
you DO have the right idea that martial law fixes nothing, and that terrorists will strike terror into us no matter what obscene protections we have from them. but the idea that there is anything that CAN be done is absurd. the time when you COULD have solved things was long, long ago, quite possibly before the british empire started growing free from the romans.
part of the reason that the islamist and other movements are so fueled against the peace-loving democratic nations(if you can call them that), is the torture their descendants endurred. remember that, and try to imagine them suddenly putting their hatred aside. it's not going to happen.
ok actually there IS a 'final solution'. and it is just that, the final solution. and worse still, is that you are actually talking about it. even if you don't know this. and a lot of jews, gypsies, and other non-"aryan" people died, during one attempt at 'the final solution'.
you can't change the past. but you can be aware of it's significance.
was with woody. i'm still using woody, and i've gone through at least a good two dozen installs of it, and have been using it for almost a year, and i plan to use it for the rest of my life, or at least for a long time. and i havn't yet seen a linux distrobution ...or any Operating System for that mattere...that even comes close in my mind, to all of the collection of benifits that debian provides.
themusicgod1's corollary to Kris_J's law: Kris_J's law of comment recursion will be seen primarily because of a reference to it in Kris_J's law of comment recursion.