Parent said "could have". You say "wouldn't necessarily".
And you are arguing with him? WFT? You are basically saying the same thing!
Had the bomb gone off, based on his where he was sitting, there was a probability it would have brought down the plane (check ABC if you want). The shoe bomber would have taken down THAT flight -- and this was calculated to be 1.5x as powerful.
Is it CERTAIN the plane would have gone down? No. Thank God we don't know.
So the reason for the dip is because we were afraid, which goes back to grandparent's main point. The best way to fight terrorism is to not be terrified.
$300 million or so in lost aircraft + an esimated $10 billion lost in air traffic revenue and near collapse of several airline companies.
$40 billion to Insurance companies and their near collapse. Estimated ~$1 billion in damage to the Pentigon Direct job losses exceeding $15 billion
That's not counting all the other losses to the City and State of New York (lost tax revenue, and cleanup costs and infrastructure damage probably exceed $100 billion)
This isn't even counting the federal costs of increased security with amounts to $10s of billions of dollars.
I've heard total estimates range from $1 trillion to $3+ trillion dollars.
It's simple math. We can't survive long with just a few successful 3000-some-odd "political" deaths like the last one. And was done in a single day. By a handful of people. If you don't want your kids to starve, sitting on your hands is not the answer -- nor is the "not to be terrified" mantra helpful when used the way you are using it. It's not a matter of being terrified or not. It's a matter of simple arithmetic -- and making this damn near impossible to do again if we don't want our society to crumble.
Why are you so afraid of terrorists when only 3,000 people have died from terrorism in the US this century, while there are five times as many Americans murdered every single year [fbi.gov] in non-terrorist murders?
It's not a just dead-body-numbers game. Of those "5 times as many Amercians" murdered, how much capital did they take out of the US and world economy? In a single day, 20 some odd yahoos cost the US economy several hundred billions of dollars. This doesn't include Afghanistan and Iraq. And the fall of global markets after 911?
Just have another one or two of those "only 3000 dead" events and see what happens to the global economy, never mind the US.
Sitting on our hands saying "It's not safe and there's nothing we can do about it" is *not* an option.
why should political murder scare you more than some thug doing a drive-by shooting?
Because THIS type political murder can cause my kids and yours to starve.
Agreed. This is ideal. Unfortunately, where I work, locked down doesn't mean what it should. The only thing it does is give users a community desktop (desktop redirection) based on department and limit some of their local access. They can still install crap -- and the proxy doesn't block as well as I would like (but I'm no longer management -- we were bought out and I was taken on to manage a small server farm and sql dbs).
Our answer is to have a handy-dandy ghost image to push to the workstation if the user screws something up. Not fun doing this across across a DSL vpn (we have hundreds of remote sites -- many of which are over a 5 hour drive for the nearest tech or special delivery), but it's better than shipping a new PC. Images are under 2gb... not scary.
You don't see it as a cost saving measure? If you can charge the thing during off-peak hours, then run your house off the battery during peek hours, that's a fairly obvious "cost saving measure".
Of course, if you can save $1000 over two years but the battery runs you over $10000, it's not ready for prime time.
what's the chance that your book will still be readable in 5000 years?
Pretty good if I convert them to Sumerian Clay Tablets. But what are the odds that even if they ARE readable, that *I* will be able to read them in 5000 years? I'm more or less looking to make sure they are still readable by me for the next 40-50 years tops.
but you proceed anyways, because the alternative, doing nothing, is guaranteed to fail
I see you've never played blackjack. Sometimes it's wise to "hold" and do nothing. I believe the idea of "We've got to do SOMETHING" as the only solution is fallacious.
With global climate, what if there were longer growing seasons? Isn't it possible that more food would benefit a world with 6+ billion people and a growing population. What if it were cheaper to move stuff between Europe/Asia and north America (a "north west passage") such that food and goods would see increased availability to people? A "different" world isn't necessarily a "worse" world. I would much rather the UN/US/whoever fund research in to all the possible outcomes of "global climate change". Not just the "disaster" scenarios popularized in the media.
I don't think the solution "right now" is to destroy the worlds economies through crippling regulations, fees and fines. I think would most likely result in massively increasing poverty and famine. We're barely able to feed the world now. Imagine if you cut supply lines or shut factories which aid food storage and movement industry? Never mind how it might effect farms and food costs.
But it's OK for slashdot to publish stores re: Sarah Palin's email getting hacked -- and linked to "what is, according to the story, STOLEN DATA", as you say.
I don't like your argument. You suggest that if nobody notices something, it's OK to let it go and not make an issue of it. It sounds like you are basically saying "Its OK to say/do anything you want -- just don't get noticed". On the surface, it sounds great, but it's not.
But, I know how well that $50 made-in-China power tool worked out. It has 1/4 the power of the "comparable" American made tool, and it will last about 1/10 as long.
Buy to meet your needs. If my need is a power tool to use maybe 20 times in 5 years, then that $50 tool is looking like a hell of a lot better investment than the $200.
If, however, my goal is to use something constantly without fear of needing to replace/repair it ever 6-12 months over that same 5 year period, then that $200 tool looks much better.
I drive a 1988 toyota pick-up (4-banger -- pretty good mpg). I bought it because of it's reliability under heavy use. Over the past 20+ years, it has, and continues to serve me. Every year I own it is more money I save. I also own a Skil power tool set. I've used it maybe a dozen times in 4 years. It has met my needs every time, but I doubt it would last if I used it daily -- or even every weekend.
Why over spend on equipment which will outlive my need of them? It's as silly as spending on cheaper, less hardy equipment required for daily needs. Either way you are tossing money out the window.
1) "rights" have limits. Don't believe me? Express your 1st amendment right by yelling "FIRE!" in a crowded theater. 2) Under the constitution, marriage *IS* currently equally applied under the law. I cannot marry a man. All men cannot marry men.
If you don't like #2, explain how taxes are "equally applied" to everyone in the US? If I earn more, a proportionally greater amount is taken from from me than someone who earns less. How is that applied uniformly? What about my "right" to keep a proportional amount equal to everyone else of what I earn? Isn't that discriminating against class?
A progressive tax can be and *IS* a social good and has been allowed under the constitution using the exact same reasoning as #2. Likewise, at the federal level, you'll see the exact same treatment of marriage. Just see the recent California ruling from SCOTUS.
Stop being blinded by ideology and use your brain. Stop trying to paint people you disagree with as evil hatemongers!
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Parent said "could have". You say "wouldn't necessarily".
And you are arguing with him? WFT? You are basically saying the same thing!
Had the bomb gone off, based on his where he was sitting, there was a probability it would have brought down the plane (check ABC if you want). The shoe bomber would have taken down THAT flight -- and this was calculated to be 1.5x as powerful.
Is it CERTAIN the plane would have gone down? No. Thank God we don't know.
Big picture time. Big picture. The death they inflect isn't where they do the most damage to us.
$300 million or so in lost aircraft + an esimated $10 billion lost in air traffic revenue and near collapse of several airline companies.
$40 billion to Insurance companies and their near collapse.
Estimated ~$1 billion in damage to the Pentigon
Direct job losses exceeding $15 billion
That's not counting all the other losses to the City and State of New York (lost tax revenue, and cleanup costs and infrastructure damage probably exceed $100 billion)
This isn't even counting the federal costs of increased security with amounts to $10s of billions of dollars.
I've heard total estimates range from $1 trillion to $3+ trillion dollars.
It's simple math. We can't survive long with just a few successful 3000-some-odd "political" deaths like the last one. And was done in a single day. By a handful of people. If you don't want your kids to starve, sitting on your hands is not the answer -- nor is the "not to be terrified" mantra helpful when used the way you are using it. It's not a matter of being terrified or not. It's a matter of simple arithmetic -- and making this damn near impossible to do again if we don't want our society to crumble.
Which is why I didn't include them in the cost.
It's not a just dead-body-numbers game. Of those "5 times as many Amercians" murdered, how much capital did they take out of the US and world economy? In a single day, 20 some odd yahoos cost the US economy several hundred billions of dollars. This doesn't include Afghanistan and Iraq. And the fall of global markets after 911?
Just have another one or two of those "only 3000 dead" events and see what happens to the global economy, never mind the US.
Sitting on our hands saying "It's not safe and there's nothing we can do about it" is *not* an option.
Because THIS type political murder can cause my kids and yours to starve.
It promoted "terror". It's making the enemy (us) scramble, expend resources and showed the jihadies that the enemy (us) is still vulnerable.
That there were no dead bodies or a mile-wide debris trail in downtown Detroit is trivial -- because there COULD have been.
Is that you, Lenny?
Agreed. This is ideal. Unfortunately, where I work, locked down doesn't mean what it should. The only thing it does is give users a community desktop (desktop redirection) based on department and limit some of their local access. They can still install crap -- and the proxy doesn't block as well as I would like (but I'm no longer management -- we were bought out and I was taken on to manage a small server farm and sql dbs).
Our answer is to have a handy-dandy ghost image to push to the workstation if the user screws something up. Not fun doing this across across a DSL vpn (we have hundreds of remote sites -- many of which are over a 5 hour drive for the nearest tech or special delivery), but it's better than shipping a new PC. Images are under 2gb... not scary.
You don't see it as a cost saving measure? If you can charge the thing during off-peak hours, then run your house off the battery during peek hours, that's a fairly obvious "cost saving measure".
Of course, if you can save $1000 over two years but the battery runs you over $10000, it's not ready for prime time.
Pretty good if I convert them to Sumerian Clay Tablets. But what are the odds that even if they ARE readable, that *I* will be able to read them in 5000 years? I'm more or less looking to make sure they are still readable by me for the next 40-50 years tops.
I see you've never played blackjack. Sometimes it's wise to "hold" and do nothing. I believe the idea of "We've got to do SOMETHING" as the only solution is fallacious.
With global climate, what if there were longer growing seasons? Isn't it possible that more food would benefit a world with 6+ billion people and a growing population. What if it were cheaper to move stuff between Europe/Asia and north America (a "north west passage") such that food and goods would see increased availability to people? A "different" world isn't necessarily a "worse" world. I would much rather the UN/US/whoever fund research in to all the possible outcomes of "global climate change". Not just the "disaster" scenarios popularized in the media.
I don't think the solution "right now" is to destroy the worlds economies through crippling regulations, fees and fines. I think would most likely result in massively increasing poverty and famine. We're barely able to feed the world now. Imagine if you cut supply lines or shut factories which aid food storage and movement industry? Never mind how it might effect farms and food costs.
'nuff said.
Fogbugz is great. Can also connect in via ODBC and create our own custom productivity reports on the fly with pretty colorful charts for the PHB.
Ho ho, all together.
Hoist the colors high!
Heave ho, thieves and beggers
Never shall we die!
But it's OK for slashdot to publish stores re: Sarah Palin's email getting hacked -- and linked to "what is, according to the story, STOLEN DATA", as you say.
I think it's all news worthy. Don't you?
If you consider "The Daily Show" a news source and not purely entertainment... well, I doubt you'd understand what I was going to say next anyway.
It's a modern "Not Necessarily The News".
I don't like your argument. You suggest that if nobody notices something, it's OK to let it go and not make an issue of it. It sounds like you are basically saying "Its OK to say/do anything you want -- just don't get noticed". On the surface, it sounds great, but it's not.
Think David Duke.
When is it human? When is it a person? How early is "abortion" ok?
Hate to be "off topic", but that line above really sparked the question.
Seeing these posts is like listing to Monty Python's "I Like Traffic Lights" song.
Anything other than SF (Ess Eff) makes me cringe. "SyFy" makes me weep.
Buy to meet your needs. If my need is a power tool to use maybe 20 times in 5 years, then that $50 tool is looking like a hell of a lot better investment than the $200.
If, however, my goal is to use something constantly without fear of needing to replace/repair it ever 6-12 months over that same 5 year period, then that $200 tool looks much better.
I drive a 1988 toyota pick-up (4-banger -- pretty good mpg). I bought it because of it's reliability under heavy use. Over the past 20+ years, it has, and continues to serve me. Every year I own it is more money I save. I also own a Skil power tool set. I've used it maybe a dozen times in 4 years. It has met my needs every time, but I doubt it would last if I used it daily -- or even every weekend.
Why over spend on equipment which will outlive my need of them? It's as silly as spending on cheaper, less hardy equipment required for daily needs. Either way you are tossing money out the window.
It's not a "tu quoque", it's a fallacy of omission.
You are arguing that McCain is "on the take" because he received funding. Yet MANY MANY other received funding and are not supporting McCain's motion.
Your "evidence" does not prove your conclusion.
So? You need to drill down and see who AT&T donated money, too.
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000076
You'll be surprised.
Change "network" to "patient". Change "ISP" to "hospital" change "pipe" to "budget".
1) "rights" have limits. Don't believe me? Express your 1st amendment right by yelling "FIRE!" in a crowded theater.
2) Under the constitution, marriage *IS* currently equally applied under the law. I cannot marry a man. All men cannot marry men.
If you don't like #2, explain how taxes are "equally applied" to everyone in the US? If I earn more, a proportionally greater amount is taken from from me than someone who earns less. How is that applied uniformly? What about my "right" to keep a proportional amount equal to everyone else of what I earn? Isn't that discriminating against class?
A progressive tax can be and *IS* a social good and has been allowed under the constitution using the exact same reasoning as #2. Likewise, at the federal level, you'll see the exact same treatment of marriage. Just see the recent California ruling from SCOTUS.
Stop being blinded by ideology and use your brain. Stop trying to paint people you disagree with as evil hatemongers!