YOu can get a Ultra 5 for around $2000 and a Ultra 10 for around $3000 It is still a little more expensive then a x86 but runing and Ultra Sparc is a nice experence.
Ultra 5 and Ultra10 are worthless, obsolete pieces of junk. I administer Sun/sparc and Linux/x86 workstations for living. Ultra5/10 sucked since the day one.
Consider this, Ultra5 IDE disk controller does not support UDMA33, or UDMA66. Only 4MB of video memory. Sun I/O cards cost an arm and leg. Horribly designed case. Now, this is really not worth $2000 (or the $3000 for U10..)
Save yourself a few hundred dollars for a nice monitor and but a Dell.
How else can MS stop piracy? Right now you can go and download from a warez irc channel windows ISOs for all versions of windows, serial numbers, etc. I in fact know some people who have been using Win2k and Win ME (and MS Office..) without paying a dime for them...
Theo: "The direction I'm going is to have a facility for installing large numbers of machines easily. Right now you have to do attended installs. It would be nice to have a config file, TFTP or NFS mounts, preload a bunch of defaults, and splat out 30 installs at once. Most of the major OSes have this in some form or other. RedHat Linux KickStart is more complicated than it need be."
Amen! This would be a very very nice feature!
I use mostly RedHat and Solaris at work. We use Jumpstart for automating Solaris installs and configuration and kickstart for RedHat installs.
Yes, it takes an effort to secure a Solaris or RedHat box, but if you script it and prepare an unattended install method then it doesn't matter to you whether to install 20, 30 or 200 boxes at once. This is the reason why we use RedHat instead of Debian (Debian installation is waay too interactive..)
I can't believe that powering off such a machine is as easy as pulling -ONE- power cord. Our group deploys several dual processor SUN E250 servers (the lowest-end SUN server you can find). Each of those has two redundant power supplies. If you pull one of the cords, the machine is supposed to keep on working. I can't imagine how Sun could ship a machine that is much much higher-end than E250 with only single power supplies.
As someone who started tinkering with Linux a while ago and who now became a professional Linux/Unix systems administrator, the only advice I can give you is: read, read, and read even things that are vaguely related to your problem. Seek and you will find.
That Linux is easy to use is a myth. GNOME and KDE may be easy to use. Certain Linux distributions are easy to install. However, if you'd like to be able to use and maintain the system in the long run you should learn your distributions' as well as general Linux/Unix basics. I'd recommend reading "Running Linux" for anyone who considers using the system in the long run as well as the manuals (specially system administration related) that came with your distribution. Also, many specific questions can be answered by looking at the relevant HOWTO documents on the LDP site (www.linuxdoc.org).
This is the way it is. Linux and Unix flexibility and stability come at a cost: learning curve.
Mr. Troll, you should know that Solaris is not for free download and the media costs $75. This is sa pretty good deal considering that the license you get is nearly unlimited, but still, free download... it aint.
There is very little benefit that you can get from using SMP on a desktop machine. On the other hand, for servers, Pentium is a poor man's solution. The current Pentium procesors only support dual processor configurations. If you need more than than then you need to use Xeon.
I am so surprised that some people still insist on using floppies when there are so many network based alternatives. Setup centralized file server that allows people to access their files with SMB, ftp, scp, or http etc from school or from home.
In my school there is at least one centrally managed service that includes 30MB of disk space, and access to the files with scp, ftp or http.
Bah, Sun is the company that brought NIS, NIS+ and NFS and those are as open and it can get. Recently, they also released the source to their operating system, bundle free software with their OS, give it out for nearly no fee, and open sourced StarOffice, what else do you want?
I don't see how HP or IBM is any more open than Sun.
I think that the real message that RedHat folks are trying to send is that:
"our x.0 releases are always bleading edge software, stay away from it.
It is buggy and unstable and we use beta/alpha code in them that no one else has used before. If you need a stable production system, use our *.2 releases instead."
Well, if you have a 10 year old SS2 , Linux might be useful. But it is beyond me why people insist on using linux instead of much more scalable and proven Solaris OS.
Also, you have to be a full to run linux on a new sun box. Why should I run Linux on my $20.000 SUN E250 if Linux
1) is not optimized optimized for that hardware well. SUN's C compilers kick gcc's ass
2) Lots of hardware is still unsupported
3) No applications.
4) Lousy NFS and NIS+
Yeah, if you have a Sun4M model CPU or better. Most people out there running Linux and SPARC are doing so to get productivity out of older SPARC hardware that Solaris(tm) does not support. Sun has always had a very nasty habit of dropping old hardware compatibility with new versions of their OS.
It is amasing that some people have the balls to claim that sun does not support old hardware well. They only dropped hardware support for sun4c boxes in Solaris 8. Now, Sun4c is OLD. If you have an old Sun4c box, like a 10 year old SS2, you can always run Solaris 2.6 and Solaris 7 which are still FULLY SUPPORTED operating systems and will contiue being so for a while.
If you are looking for the most arrogant Linux software vendor in the Linux community, XiG is it.
I am sick of XI Graphics stupid marketing slogans like this:
"Sick of that 'free' X server crashing? then try ours" or "Or X server is up to 100 times faster than the 'free' X server"
Uh, what is that? XFree86 never crashed on me and works pretty fast, fast enough, that I wouldn't tell a difference with naked eye anyways.
The only valid reason to buy their X server is support hardware that is not supported by XFree86,
but uh, you should have bought the supported hardware in the first place if you are going to run Linux on it. Hardware support issue is changing pretty fast anyways.
Regarding CDE, this is the worst piece of unix software that I have ever seen. No wonder Sun and HP are bailing out of CDE business. As someone who is using CDE on Solaris every day I can tell you that it is
1) Slow and bloated
2) More importantly, even trivial configuration is often accomplished by editing obscure text files which are sometimes even not well documented. Uh What is that? In my opinion a GUI is a GUI or it is shit. point. If you sell a gui, at least make it configurable through a GUI interface as well.
Unless XiG comes up with a new product that is actually worth paying money for, they'll go out of business pretty soon.
If you are a newbie and thus you selected a "workstation install" option during install,
then inetd and a whole bunch of network daemons will not be even installed, so there is no much to root, at least from outside.
As far as server class systems are concerned, newbies absolutely have no business setting up servers of any kind.
I am just wonder why they are releasing 7.0 so soon instead of waiting until linux kernel 2.4 and XFree86 4.x will stabilize more? On the other hand if the latest kernel 2.4.x and XFree86 4.x are not included, then what is redhat's excuse for such a major version bump? If all they want is release a few updates to 6.2 they could just make it "6.3"
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Uh, why do you need video support on a rackmountable server?
(and Ultra5's are worthless pieces of junk..)
YOu can get a Ultra 5 for around $2000 and a Ultra 10 for around $3000 It is still a little more expensive then a x86 but runing and Ultra Sparc is a nice experence.
Ultra 5 and Ultra10 are worthless, obsolete pieces of junk. I administer Sun/sparc and Linux/x86 workstations for living. Ultra5/10 sucked since the day one.
Consider this, Ultra5 IDE disk controller does not support UDMA33, or UDMA66. Only 4MB of video memory. Sun I/O cards cost an arm and leg. Horribly designed case. Now, this is really not worth $2000 (or the $3000 for U10..)
Save yourself a few hundred dollars for a nice monitor and but a Dell.
Right, but you can't replace the PowerBook mouse.
You can connect the external mouse, but that's not the same.
Well, this is almost like asking: "can we use those old Sun 3/50 parts in our new E10000 server?"
How else can MS stop piracy? Right now you can go and download from a warez irc channel windows ISOs for all versions of windows, serial numbers, etc. I in fact know some people who have been using Win2k and Win ME (and MS Office
Theo: "The direction I'm going is to have a facility for installing large numbers of machines easily. Right now you have to do attended installs. It would be nice to have a config file, TFTP or NFS mounts, preload a bunch of defaults, and splat out 30 installs at once. Most of the major OSes have this in some form or other. RedHat Linux KickStart is more complicated than it need be."
Amen! This would be a very very nice feature!
I use mostly RedHat and Solaris at work. We use Jumpstart for automating Solaris installs and configuration and kickstart for RedHat installs.
Yes, it takes an effort to secure a Solaris or RedHat box, but if you script it and prepare an unattended install method then it doesn't matter to you whether to install 20, 30 or 200 boxes at once. This is the reason why we use RedHat instead of Debian (Debian installation is waay too interactive..)
If OpenBSD will have this feature, good for them.
I can't believe that powering off such a machine is as easy as pulling -ONE- power cord. Our group deploys several dual processor SUN E250 servers (the lowest-end SUN server you can find). Each of those has two redundant power supplies. If you pull one of the cords, the machine is supposed to keep on working. I can't imagine how Sun could ship a machine that is much much higher-end than E250 with only single power supplies.
As someone who started tinkering with Linux a while ago and who now became a professional Linux/Unix systems administrator, the only advice I can give you is: read, read, and read even things that are vaguely related to your problem. Seek and you will find. That Linux is easy to use is a myth. GNOME and KDE may be easy to use. Certain Linux distributions are easy to install. However, if you'd like to be able to use and maintain the system in the long run you should learn your distributions' as well as general Linux/Unix basics. I'd recommend reading "Running Linux" for anyone who considers using the system in the long run as well as the manuals (specially system administration related) that came with your distribution. Also, many specific questions can be answered by looking at the relevant HOWTO documents on the LDP site (www.linuxdoc.org). This is the way it is. Linux and Unix flexibility and stability come at a cost: learning curve.
May I ask that slashdot not post any more NY Times articles any more? Their sign-up requirement is pretty annoying.
Mr. Troll, you should know that Solaris is not for free download and the media costs $75. This is sa pretty good deal considering that the license you get is nearly unlimited, but still, free download... it aint.
There is very little benefit that you can get from using SMP on a desktop machine. On the other hand, for servers, Pentium is a poor man's solution. The current Pentium procesors only support dual processor configurations. If you need more than than then you need to use Xeon.
I am so surprised that some people still insist on using floppies when there are so many network based alternatives. Setup centralized file server that allows people to access their files with SMB, ftp, scp, or http etc from school or from home.
In my school there is at least one centrally managed service that includes 30MB of disk space, and access to the files with scp, ftp or http.
Bah, Sun is the company that brought NIS, NIS+ and NFS and those are as open and it can get. Recently, they also released the source to their operating system, bundle free software with their OS, give it out for nearly no fee, and open sourced StarOffice, what else do you want?
I don't see how HP or IBM is any more open than Sun.
I think that the real message that RedHat folks are trying to send is that:
"our x.0 releases are always bleading edge software, stay away from it.
It is buggy and unstable and we use beta/alpha code in them that no one else has used before. If you need a stable production system, use our *.2 releases instead."
Well, if you have a 10 year old SS2 , Linux might be useful. But it is beyond me why people insist on using linux instead of much more scalable and proven Solaris OS.
Also, you have to be a full to run linux on a new sun box. Why should I run Linux on my $20.000 SUN E250 if Linux
1) is not optimized optimized for that hardware well. SUN's C compilers kick gcc's ass
2) Lots of hardware is still unsupported
3) No applications.
4) Lousy NFS and NIS+
It is amasing that some people have the balls to claim that sun does not support old hardware well. They only dropped hardware support for sun4c boxes in Solaris 8. Now, Sun4c is OLD. If you have an old Sun4c box, like a 10 year old SS2, you can always run Solaris 2.6 and Solaris 7 which are still FULLY SUPPORTED operating systems and will contiue being so for a while.
Is this a troll?
Also, I have noticed that LPD has been replaced for LPRng. This is a good news for me since I will not need to install LPRng separately any more.
If you are looking for the most arrogant Linux software vendor in the Linux community, XiG is it.
I am sick of XI Graphics stupid marketing slogans like this:
"Sick of that 'free' X server crashing? then try ours" or "Or X server is up to 100 times faster than the 'free' X server"
Uh, what is that? XFree86 never crashed on me and works pretty fast, fast enough, that I wouldn't tell a difference with naked eye anyways.
The only valid reason to buy their X server is support hardware that is not supported by XFree86,
but uh, you should have bought the supported hardware in the first place if you are going to run Linux on it. Hardware support issue is changing pretty fast anyways.
Regarding CDE, this is the worst piece of unix software that I have ever seen. No wonder Sun and HP are bailing out of CDE business. As someone who is using CDE on Solaris every day I can tell you that it is
1) Slow and bloated
2) More importantly, even trivial configuration is often accomplished by editing obscure text files which are sometimes even not well documented. Uh What is that? In my opinion a GUI is a GUI or it is shit. point. If you sell a gui, at least make it configurable through a GUI interface as well.
Unless XiG comes up with a new product that is actually worth paying money for, they'll go out of business pretty soon.
If you are a newbie and thus you selected a "workstation install" option during install,
then inetd and a whole bunch of network daemons will not be even installed, so there is no much to root, at least from outside.
As far as server class systems are concerned, newbies absolutely have no business setting up servers of any kind.
I am just wonder why they are releasing 7.0 so soon instead of waiting until linux kernel 2.4 and XFree86 4.x will stabilize more? On the other hand if the latest kernel 2.4.x and XFree86 4.x are not included, then what is redhat's excuse for such a major version bump? If all they want is release a few updates to 6.2 they could just make it "6.3"
Like someone else has pointed out..
Windows update is free.
Debian gives you that service for free too.
So why pay redhat for that?
Will Samba be upgraded to run in Windows 2000 networks?
Samba 2.0.7 supports Windows2000 clients just fi ne as long as file sharing is concerned.
On the other hand even the CVS version (HEAD) of samba still does not support windows 2000 client logons, so there you go.
There is a reason why Yggdrasil's Linux distro has failed.
Anyone who tried to pronounce "Yggdrasil" chocked to death.
Look closer, they run NT. Idiot