Well Loki - I hope you pull through this. Whether you do or do not come out in one piece all the excellent work you've done will just seed the next phase in Linux gaming, I hope. Including SDL and the installer/updater package, which I think Sam did, no?
'Till then, I have Kohan and Tribes2 (and a few others) to keep me busy. I'll be fine (more than fine) until neverwinter nights comes out:-)
Thanks for all the great games! - JB
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I'd personally like to thank TimeGate Studios and Lokigames for (1) writing a great, original RTS game and (2) porting it to Linux. I really like being able to play games with some of my friends who still use Windows. I don't really care who is using what OpSys as long as we can all play games together.
I got to beta the game - I've run it on a k62-350 with a voodoo3, a TBird with a Geforce and a Thinkpad with a neomagic video card and on all 3 platforms it ran great, installed without a hitch and was just an all-around ball.
If yer a Linux user looking for an RTS check out Kohan - its great.
Note that I only use the aforementoined voodoo3 as a 2d card with excellent color and picture quality and I havent tried to install the 3d support as it's not required.
Thanks again to Loki and TimeGate.
The Kohan will return to their former glory!
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The economics of this game *are* quite different and it's refreshing. I've only played it on my LAN at home but it seems like it will be a blast once I can get on the net and play with a few win32 friends across the state...
Great game - I'm overjoyed that we finally have an RTS for Linux.
Actually, I've had to install RH71 on 6 boxes in the last few weeks. 2 were IBM PC's (with goofy win-stuff in them like your 'off-the-self' win-pc) and the others were straight x86 boxes with standard parts. While RH71 got everything right the first time (right down to the NICs) you problems with that off-the-shelf winbox are common. It's the hoakey boxes with win-specific haradware or (worse) mainboards that give grief like yours. I mean, what kind of vid card was it anyway? Does the manufacturer even still exist? Do they support the card for Linux.
Linux *is* ready for the desktop. We have 10's of linux boxes in constant use at work (thanks Applixware) and several dozen in constant se in nice, colde server rooms. I would never ask a Mac user to ue anything else, cuz they're happy with their Macs and that's cool, but dont bash an OS on your experiences with on winbox. You've obviously never tried a vanilla win9x install on a laptop...now *that's frustration!
Actually I agree with this argument in the case of Dolby. The rather unusual question is how does a company that gives away a product for free recoup the cost od licensing something like AC3? And how would they fit the software gained from this license into an open-source project?
How much would it cost to get a license for a free operating system? I know most people here don't support this thing, but I'm just curious how much it would cose NetBSD to license the technology. She caled their licensing terms 'adaptable' - I wonder how that translates to a free OS.
50% is a little high for me - I consider broadband to be just another utility, but an expensive one hehe! And what people 'pay' for wDOS or Linux isn't totally monetary, anyway - I mean, how much is your soul worth, anyway?
Indeed - I bought the Redhat 5.2 distro when I was in school and used it until I got cable, when I started grabbing ISO's off the net. That said, when I used wDOS I never bought software. With Linux I've actually started buying software (games, Matlab, Applixware) because I actually liked the OS I was running on.
wDOS got so big because (1) corporations bought mass quanitities and (2) everybody else just traded. M$ never cared about copy protection - the more copies the merrier! Where would wDOS actually be today if they used an effective copy-protection scheme in 1995?
Probably not so big and their OS probably wouldnt be so limp, as they'd have to engineer their way into the market, not bully it.
I don't think this was a troll - I'd love to have a cheap(er) box around to plug into my TV in the living room and have, even, terminal access to my network. *And* the ability to play ps/2 games?
Yep - I finally broke down and bought an AC just for my home office to defeat both - (1) so it's nice and cool ack there and (2) to drown out the noise of the 5 (count'em 5) fans in my PC case. Now it's nice and cool back there but I can still hear my PC fans over my AC hehe.
On a side note - even with a 1.2 Gig TBird, my PC stays around room temperature which isn't too bad. I was dripping sweat into my keyboard one day (before the AC) and the PC wasnt really any hotter than the room, so no overheating. Fong-Kai 603 case and a GlobalWin cpu fan seems to do well together.
When most desktop and server Linux users are building their own boxes, how can sales of server and pc systems be relevant? Most people I know that use Linux (myself excluded) first bought a PC with wDOS on it, removed that OS and installed something else. What kind of formula do you use to make up for this disparity between systems sold and systems built ?
"I'm now afraid to uninstall the game, since many people have reported the complete destruction of their Windows system upon uninstallation of Myst III. "
BWAHAHAHAHAHHA and they ask me why StarCraft: Brood War (a very excellent game) was the last wd0$ game I ever bought. At least with Loki porting games 1.) the QA doesnt suck (in fact, it's excellent), 2.) if a bug does slip through QA it cant rape your opsys, 3.) if the game doesnt work it's probably your hardware setup, not vice-versa and 4.) all this SafeDisk silliness is irrelevant.
Geez - reviews like this are just too gratifying:-) and I liked the first Myst
hmm - declaring the Linux desktop dead after trying 1 browser and 1 office suite.
Try out Applixware and KOffice and Opera and Mozilla and (the list goes on)
I agree with him about StarOffice - it's almost as horribly bloated as Win98 . . . Applixware save the day for me while I was in school and now also in my office at work.
Oopsie - sorry about that - I have a Voodoo3 at home as well. I demoted it from the game machine to the server because it was becoming dated.
The 3dfx cards were great for their time but I think that time may be passed. I wasnt trying to insult the 3dfx cards in general, just that Banshee.
Also, as stated many times here, installing and running games in Linux with a card that is supported (read: manufacturer exists and supports their card (ATI, nvidia, Matrox . ..)) is quite easy and not messy at all. We've all had hardware issues in windows as well - at least if something in Linux is busted the box is still useful:)
No offense 3dfx or Mesa users - and no more posting late at night.
Yes - Gnuplot DOES indeed rock. So does Matlab for Linux.
Also, I made it through engineering school with Applixware and it never failed me and never crashed, not even once, no matter how much data I stuffed into its spreadsheet. Check it out someday. Well worth the $39 asking price.
You have no business playing Quake3 on a 16 Meg banshee. That's pretty laughable hehe.
Dont blame your woes on linux - your card was written specifically to run in Windows and is how old now?
Too funny - I'm sorry you had such a rough time of it. Why would anybody in the Linux dev market worry about writing drivers for a 2 year old card?
It should be noted also that video performance has nothing to do with linux distribution or level. Either the drivers for your card work or they do not, it doesnt matter whether the distro is a 7.2 or 6.0 level. The distros are essentially hardware agnostic.
So if anyone is reading this dont get the wrong impression - this isnt windows so updating your os to the latest and greatest rev isnt going to fix anything. Either the drivers for your (in this case shitty or at least very old (I have a voodoo2 buried in my server)) card work or they don't. And where is 3dfx now anyway ? Hmm - try using a card who's manufacturer still exists to support their product.
I'm not sure I agree that Mac has a larger installed base (I only know 2 mac users and one jumped ship) but I agree that in a perfect world code would be portable and games would be easily ported or simultaneously written for Linux, Mac and Win32. Others too, but we need to draw the line of rationality somewhere . ..:-)
No offense iron-horse mac users, but I really think that Linux has overtaken ya'll in terms of sheer numbers.
Thank heavens the sane world believes in OpenGL . . . I've experienced more DirectX crashes in one hour playing Diablo2 than I've expereineced in OpenGL in 3 years . ..
It should be noted here that windows is essentially irrelevant in the upper bounds of the workstation market where sheer horsepower and memory are everything.
I do engineering sims for a living - the engineering world of massive simulation and calculation is owned by Unix and Linx, so it is definately NOT a toy OS.
Engineers use windows when they get bumped into management and no longer need a high-powered workstation. Period. I see ti every day.
Ask the Verity or Verplex or hydrodynamics guys which os's they use...and then come back here and tell me which os is the TOY os.
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Well Loki - I hope you pull through this. Whether you do or do not come out in one piece all the excellent work you've done will just seed the next phase in Linux gaming, I hope. Including SDL and the installer/updater package, which I think Sam did, no?
:-)
'Till then, I have Kohan and Tribes2 (and a few others) to keep me busy. I'll be fine (more than fine) until neverwinter nights comes out
Thanks for all the great games! - JB
I'd personally like to thank TimeGate Studios and Lokigames for (1) writing a great, original RTS game and (2) porting it to Linux. I really like being able to play games with some of my friends who still use Windows. I don't really care who is using what OpSys as long as we can all play games together.
I got to beta the game - I've run it on a k62-350 with a voodoo3, a TBird with a Geforce and a Thinkpad with a neomagic video card and on all 3 platforms it ran great, installed without a hitch and was just an all-around ball.
If yer a Linux user looking for an RTS check out Kohan - its great.
Note that I only use the aforementoined voodoo3 as a 2d card with excellent color and picture quality and I havent tried to install the 3d support as it's not required.
Thanks again to Loki and TimeGate.
The Kohan will return to their former glory!
The economics of this game *are* quite different and it's refreshing. I've only played it on my LAN at home but it seems like it will be a blast once I can get on the net and play with a few win32 friends across the state...
Great game - I'm overjoyed that we finally have an RTS for Linux.
Agreed - certainly not 90% - but it *is* ready to go.
Cool - Myth2 in ASCII :-)
Will WarCraft3 use SDL at all? And the other question about WarCraft3?
Actually, I've had to install RH71 on 6 boxes in the last few weeks. 2 were IBM PC's (with goofy win-stuff in them like your 'off-the-self' win-pc) and the others were straight x86 boxes with standard parts. While RH71 got everything right the first time (right down to the NICs) you problems with that off-the-shelf winbox are common. It's the hoakey boxes with win-specific haradware or (worse) mainboards that give grief like yours. I mean, what kind of vid card was it anyway? Does the manufacturer even still exist? Do they support the card for Linux.
Linux *is* ready for the desktop. We have 10's of linux boxes in constant use at work (thanks Applixware) and several dozen in constant se in nice, colde server rooms. I would never ask a Mac user to ue anything else, cuz they're happy with their Macs and that's cool, but dont bash an OS on your experiences with on winbox. You've obviously never tried a vanilla win9x install on a laptop...now *that's frustration!
Sorry for the off-topic post.
Actually I agree with this argument in the case of Dolby. The rather unusual question is how does a company that gives away a product for free recoup the cost od licensing something like AC3? And how would they fit the software gained from this license into an open-source project?
How much would it cost to get a license for a free operating system? I know most people here don't support this thing, but I'm just curious how much it would cose NetBSD to license the technology. She caled their licensing terms 'adaptable' - I wonder how that translates to a free OS.
Have a cron job reset your logs once a day, grab the current number of attacks, adjust the PHP script to use this offset and you're all set.
:-)
Of course, I do mine manually from my desk at work when I get bored
50% is a little high for me - I consider broadband to be just another utility, but an expensive one hehe! And what people 'pay' for wDOS or Linux isn't totally monetary, anyway - I mean, how much is your soul worth, anyway?
Indeed - I bought the Redhat 5.2 distro when I was in school and used it until I got cable, when I started grabbing ISO's off the net. That said, when I used wDOS I never bought software. With Linux I've actually started buying software (games, Matlab, Applixware) because I actually liked the OS I was running on.
wDOS got so big because (1) corporations bought mass quanitities and (2) everybody else just traded. M$ never cared about copy protection - the more copies the merrier! Where would wDOS actually be today if they used an effective copy-protection scheme in 1995?
Probably not so big and their OS probably wouldnt be so limp, as they'd have to engineer their way into the market, not bully it.
I don't think this was a troll - I'd love to have a cheap(er) box around to plug into my TV in the living room and have, even, terminal access to my network. *And* the ability to play ps/2 games?
sounds ok to me.
Yep - I finally broke down and bought an AC just for my home office to defeat both - (1) so it's nice and cool ack there and (2) to drown out the noise of the 5 (count'em 5) fans in my PC case. Now it's nice and cool back there but I can still hear my PC fans over my AC hehe.
On a side note - even with a 1.2 Gig TBird, my PC stays around room temperature which isn't too bad. I was dripping sweat into my keyboard one day (before the AC) and the PC wasnt really any hotter than the room, so no overheating. Fong-Kai 603 case and a GlobalWin cpu fan seems to do well together.
Cheers - JB
When most desktop and server Linux users are building their own boxes, how can sales of server and pc systems be relevant? Most people I know that use Linux (myself excluded) first bought a PC with wDOS on it, removed that OS and installed something else. What kind of formula do you use to make up for this disparity between systems sold and systems built ?
well said, well spoken. I view every piece of my web page(s) in 5 browsers to make sure they all work. Fortunately I can't view them in IE . . . :-)
"I'm now afraid to uninstall the game, since many people have reported the complete destruction of their Windows system upon uninstallation of Myst III. "
:-) and I liked the first Myst
BWAHAHAHAHAHHA and they ask me why StarCraft: Brood War (a very excellent game) was the last wd0$ game I ever bought. At least with Loki porting games 1.) the QA doesnt suck (in fact, it's excellent), 2.) if a bug does slip through QA it cant rape your opsys, 3.) if the game doesnt work it's probably your hardware setup, not vice-versa and 4.) all this SafeDisk silliness is irrelevant.
Geez - reviews like this are just too gratifying
Go Loki!
hmm - declaring the Linux desktop dead after trying 1 browser and 1 office suite.
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Try out Applixware and KOffice and Opera and Mozilla and (the list goes on)
I agree with him about StarOffice - it's almost as horribly bloated as Win98 . . . Applixware save the day for me while I was in school and now also in my office at work.
What a weenie . .
Oopsie - sorry about that - I have a Voodoo3 at home as well. I demoted it from the game machine to the server because it was becoming dated.
.)) is quite easy and not messy at all. We've all had hardware issues in windows as well - at least if something in Linux is busted the box is still useful :)
The 3dfx cards were great for their time but I think that time may be passed. I wasnt trying to insult the 3dfx cards in general, just that Banshee.
Also, as stated many times here, installing and running games in Linux with a card that is supported (read: manufacturer exists and supports their card (ATI, nvidia, Matrox . .
No offense 3dfx or Mesa users - and no more posting late at night.
Yes - Gnuplot DOES indeed rock. So does Matlab for Linux.
Also, I made it through engineering school with Applixware and it never failed me and never crashed, not even once, no matter how much data I stuffed into its spreadsheet. Check it out someday. Well worth the $39 asking price.
Sorry for the OT post.
You have no business playing Quake3 on a 16 Meg banshee. That's pretty laughable hehe.
Dont blame your woes on linux - your card was written specifically to run in Windows and is how old now?
Too funny - I'm sorry you had such a rough time of it. Why would anybody in the Linux dev market worry about writing drivers for a 2 year old card?
It should be noted also that video performance has nothing to do with linux distribution or level. Either the drivers for your card work or they do not, it doesnt matter whether the distro is a 7.2 or 6.0 level. The distros are essentially hardware agnostic.
So if anyone is reading this dont get the wrong impression - this isnt windows so updating your os to the latest and greatest rev isnt going to fix anything. Either the drivers for your (in this case shitty or at least very old (I have a voodoo2 buried in my server)) card work or they don't. And where is 3dfx now anyway ? Hmm - try using a card who's manufacturer still exists to support their product.
I'm not sure I agree that Mac has a larger installed base (I only know 2 mac users and one jumped ship) but I agree that in a perfect world code would be portable and games would be easily ported or simultaneously written for Linux, Mac and Win32. Others too, but we need to draw the line of rationality somewhere . . .:-)
No offense iron-horse mac users, but I really think that Linux has overtaken ya'll in terms of sheer numbers.
Hmmm- I wonder why I got -1 trolled for that :(
Thank heavens the sane world believes in OpenGL . . . I've experienced more DirectX crashes in one hour playing Diablo2 than I've expereineced in OpenGL in 3 years . . .
It should be noted here that windows is essentially irrelevant in the upper bounds of the workstation market where sheer horsepower and memory are everything.
I do engineering sims for a living - the engineering world of massive simulation and calculation is owned by Unix and Linx, so it is definately NOT a toy OS.
Engineers use windows when they get bumped into management and no longer need a high-powered workstation. Period. I see ti every day.
Ask the Verity or Verplex or hydrodynamics guys which os's they use...and then come back here and tell me which os is the TOY os.