As we move from traditional forms of capitalism, which involves a labor force, to a world where machines pretty much replace people, populations will either drastically shrink, or society will have to come up with a means to handle, at minimum, the first two tiers of Maslow's hierarchy of needs.
Variations of UBI might work, if we peg it/them to the inflation rate. But the wealthy run the countries, so this probably won't happen. It's just the way it is.
If machines are making or labor meaningless, maybe machines can eliminate our need to join the labor force. I think we need an XPRIZE...
Well..it's still too much caricature. Who says the 'heir' of the Office of Strategic Influence is involved here? PR is available to many, to the extent that there's hardly any central player who can maintain a clear view, and the gullible who play along usually have their own interest in mind. In this case there are a lot of official sources though.
I find myself rolling my eyes to all the rhetoric, but on first blush, there seems to be meaningful content at sourcewatch.org. These guys are playing to lefties, mindful of who else is watching. Don't get me wrong, I think it's easier than ever to say clearly what you mean, as long as you stay withing bounds.
In "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man," John Perkins comes clean on what he did for, in my opinion, one of the 'heirs' to the OSI, and how they tried to stop him from spilling the beans. Do I think he's playing to the lefties? Yup. Do I think his message was massaged for multiple reasons? Yup, after all, he's still alive. Do I think, even couched in rhetoric, he's saying something important? Yup.
Nowadays, anyone with good technical assets is typically frowned upon in business, or at the very least not considered posivitely. "Just code monkeys" etc. When opportunity to prove yourself against your peers and often against former employers and offered a fair amount of money in the process, the choice is clear.
You are sooo right about the revenge of the monkeys. I won't explain.
Its a bear eat bear out there, bring your pepper spray and hiker trail bells.
Oh, that's great! I forgot about that... and an excuse to change the subject...
---
Montana Grizzly Bear Notice:
In light of the rising frequency of human/grizzly bear
conflicts, the Montana Department of Fish and Game
is advising hikers, hunters, and fishermen to take extra
precautions and keep alert for bears while in the field.
We advise that outdoorsmen wear noisy little bells on
their clothing so as not to startle the bears that aren't
expecting them. We also advise outdoorsmen to carry
pepper spray with them in case of an encounter with a
bear.
It is also a good idea to watch out for fresh signs of bear activity. Outdoorsmen should recognize the difference between black bear and grizzly bear poop. Black bear poop is smaller and contains a lot of berry seeds and squirrel fur. Grizzly bear poop has little bells in it and smells like pepper spray.
The problem is, the people whose job it is to do this [cybersecurity], they decided to side with the hackers.
Sadly, so true.
I've known some awesome hackers, and script kiddies too. They can be heroes or villains - often both at the same time. One still bothers me. His office is in an impressive court house, and his job includes delving into the dark web. He told me, in so many words, that he really worked for certain businesses, or maybe it was business in general, I'm not sure. Either way, he was making it clear he thought the interest of the state and that of business were aligned. What that hacker does is everybody's business, double entendre no accident here.
But PR does not care about truth or falsehood, it will use anything... fear mongering... there's a campaign to ruin the relation with Russia and make it very hard for Trump to mend... Real campaigns work on many fronts at once. Once you have official sources and favoured journalists channelling anonymous sources you're instantly playing on another level... the opportunity to escalate the tensions... That is clear intent.
Therein lies the rub. There is no way to secure it [the internet/attached devices] against everyone... except some people.
Agreed. Anything we do ourselves will be little more than a cheap padlock. A web made for easy surveillance has given us shoddy security and an open door to bad guys foreign and domestic. It's obvious this porous net is not in the national interest. As the only power that can, it is Washington's responsibility to do something about this problem. And yet, as President complains of Russia's cyber-warfare with the elections, he offers no measures to protect and secure the web. Curious.
I don't know how much of the Russian hacking scandal is valid and how much is PR (propaganda).
It's curious that the security of the WWW is not addressed by those who could do something about it. To my way of thinking, governments should protect the internet from what is now being called "hybrid warfare." Our attached devices should be secure and free from surveillance except by the appropriate law enforcers with a Constitutionally valid court warrant.
Programming can still be fun if you stick to the code, but it ain't cool like it use to be.
The programmer's toolbox is better now, with more languages, code can have longer, clearer and more complex lines, safer calls, better garbage collection and modularity, a more uniform common user interface, and sophisticated database interactions.
What's missing is that great unknown, limitless potential, the clubs, Dr. Dobbs, and the clueless millions wanting, needing and willing to believe whatever you told them. And they were willing to pay too.
Programming isn't as cool anymore. I know people in IT who look down on programmers, ridicule what they do. They beg their bosses for classes on how to be an administrator and run Windows, Servers, SharePoint, 365, Azure, Exchange, SMS,...
There is big money in programming, but rarely for programmers. Corporate programming jobs are often outsourced with short short term contracts, or just part time, which negatively affects the software product. The corporations don't care, as long as it doesn't affect the bottom line. Further hampering good programming, the sales departments have become dominant, turning software products into advertising platforms - even the operating system. Surveillance has become an indispensable revenue stream, as businesses have learned from Google and FaceBook how to monetize user information.
The game industry rakes in over $20 billion annually. As they've gotten richer, they've gotten more paranoid over DRM. 3rd tier business software is everywhere, with customers paying more every year. Accountants', auditors' and governments' standards demand that certain financial information be packaged according to the rule books. If anything goes wrong, until otherwise proved, it's the local programmer's fault. The one exception: if the programmer is in 'the club', they find somebody/something else to blame.
Yeah, programming can still be fun, but cool - eh.
The courts are just upset that/they/ can't view them either.
Yeah, when the rubber meets the road, it's a deal between the corporation and the cops, not the courts. And because Hemisphere is secret, the courts can't decide if it violates the Constitution. Why is any of this even legal?
Thank you EFF, for making the courts look fair. Until now, I thought it was a forgone conclusion the courts would side with the state in any surveillance and/or security vs. legal issue, no matter the credibility of the state's case. I'm glad to say I was wrong.
I boot to MS Windows, wait till it comes up. Click on Chrome, wait till it comes up. Click on an internet TV site, and as it starts, it stalls. It runs a bit, then stalls again and again. The router bogs down with whatever MS is doing, always busy doing.
I boot to Linux on the same hardware, wait a little bit while it comes up, and click on Chrome. It comes right up. I click on an internet TV site, No stalls, no router issues, nothing but smooth. I use other sites at the same time. no problem.
most user uses chrome which has flash and will ditch it soon. why release that?
I think you're right, Flash has a limited shelf life. But Adobe is releasing the Flash Player for Linux anyway because Linux has become an essential part of the computing playing field. For example, Linux is on Azure, and some of Microsoft's most powerful tools are on Linux, like SQL Server, and.NET. At this point, Linux can't be neglected.
Besides, I don't think the general public is the user base Adobe is responding to. Adobe is releasing the Flash Player because business want it. Companies have invested in the Flash ecosystem, with Flash developers and products, clients and who knows what else. I bet some are reluctant to move their old stalwarts off the Flash platform. Coupled with Flash's limited shelf life, the "no 3D, no DRM" stuff kind of supports this idea.
... when you increase the monetary mass, prices tend to rise accordingly. This was already observed by Adam Smith and you could observe as recently as the last credit bubble....
I think the credit bubble was caused by deregulation leading to no transparency in the markets; the liar's loans of financial institutions, often with inadequate reserves and officers bent on bankrupting their business in the pursuit of self interest; Gresham's law ("bad money drives out good"); the obfuscating repackaging of toxic subprime loans, sold as safe, and bet against by the very crooks that sold them; and complicit regulators, hedge funds, commodity options and derivates markets, real estate brokers and credit ratings agencies. When the bubble burst, Obama came in to save the day. He gave trillions to those same corporate crooks that caused all this in the first place, leaving the private sector with a loss of $14 trillion bucks.
Oh, and the US banks have a $247 trillion debt on their books right now - 13 times the size of the current US national debt. Wonder what's next?
But, hey, I could be wrong. Adam Smith's ideas on Supply and Demand, pursuing self interest, and the de-regulatory "keep the government's hands off the market" could still be working 240 odd years later, since The Wealth of Nations was first published. To me, though, all of this seems more of a cover for those corporate crooks.
I believe Universal Basic Resources would be better.
UBR? I like that. Definitely want that tried and adjusted as needed.
an AI levy seems to be a logical servant of the public good
I think an AI levy is a good idea too, at least initially. But when things like AI merge with IOT, merge with anything, everything, even people, it's going to get complicated. And yeah, that's all in the works. Already simians can control robotic limbs remotely via implants. Last month a researcher put a chip into an animal's brain to augment its intelligence by interfacing with an external computer.
CEOs may not want to pay people for making their stuff, but they will need people to buy it.
Another good point. Welcome to economics. If you're good at math, you have a very good career path.
Within current context, UBI would only bring you inflation and would be well below Basic.
I suppose the UBI could be tied to inflation directly. But I suspect you mean something more profound.
If you mean the libertarian-neoliberal-Paul Ryan context, yes, UBI will never work. For them, even New Deal stuff like SSI and the Education Department has to go, so yes, no UBI for you. Hell, there's a big argument there, whether government has a role at all. Seriously. Remember Ronald Regan's famous "The 9 most terrifying words of the English language are 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help'"? Same difference.
I resist trashing all their "the market is a super information processor, smarter than everyone" stuff. But I do disagree, think it's predatory in practice, and will put us somewhere between where Greece is now and Chili was under Pinochet.
Artificial Intelligence is coming to take our jobs away, and we better think of something. Arts & Crafts, subsistence farming, sabotage - it's all been tried before with mixed success. Maybe there is a role for government after all.
...It's the solar panels for homes that's really freaking cool...
Oh, I do agree. Those cool solar panels and big batteries might do more than kill a home owner's power bill though. A drastic drop in energy costs for both households and manufacturing\industry could be the basis for an economic revitalization. Power companies louse, the country wins. Who wouldn't want that? Oh...
Do 3D printers have an industry wide ranking and class designation yet? You know, a shorthand to let us know what kind of product, quality, utility and reliability it makes.
And yeah, before I buy one, I want to see a catalogue of quality certified stuff the system can make that I want, need and desire. Include in that catalogue the time and materials needed. Post production instructions would be handy too.
Maybe different kinds of catalogues; Some like the old Sears catalogue, others like a Chilton Repair Manual, or even something between a magazine and product catalogue, with articles, how-to columns, and product reviews; something promoting a self-sufficient DIY geek alternative...
Edward Bernays renamed it "Public Relations", because "Propaganda" had too many negative implications.
BTW, He's the guy who said manipulating public opinion was essential to democracy. He did work "influencing public opinion" for Woodrow Wilson during WWI.
Slashdot Mirror
It is volatile. Just checked coindesk.com, and Bitcoin is going back and forth. - $990.87 at 11:00 am (EST) 1/5/2017.
Variations of UBI might work, if we peg it/them to the inflation rate. But the wealthy run the countries, so this probably won't happen. It's just the way it is.
If machines are making or labor meaningless, maybe machines can eliminate our need to join the labor force. I think we need an XPRIZE...
Well..it's still too much caricature. Who says the 'heir' of the Office of Strategic Influence is involved here? PR is available to many, to the extent that there's hardly any central player who can maintain a clear view, and the gullible who play along usually have their own interest in mind. In this case there are a lot of official sources though.
I find myself rolling my eyes to all the rhetoric, but on first blush, there seems to be meaningful content at sourcewatch.org. These guys are playing to lefties, mindful of who else is watching. Don't get me wrong, I think it's easier than ever to say clearly what you mean, as long as you stay withing bounds.
In "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man," John Perkins comes clean on what he did for, in my opinion, one of the 'heirs' to the OSI, and how they tried to stop him from spilling the beans. Do I think he's playing to the lefties? Yup. Do I think his message was massaged for multiple reasons? Yup, after all, he's still alive. Do I think, even couched in rhetoric, he's saying something important? Yup.
Nowadays, anyone with good technical assets is typically frowned upon in business, or at the very least not considered posivitely. "Just code monkeys" etc. When opportunity to prove yourself against your peers and often against former employers and offered a fair amount of money in the process, the choice is clear.
You are sooo right about the revenge of the monkeys. I won't explain.
Its a bear eat bear out there, bring your pepper spray and hiker trail bells.
Oh, that's great! I forgot about that... and an excuse to change the subject...
---
Montana Grizzly Bear Notice:
In light of the rising frequency of human/grizzly bear conflicts, the Montana Department of Fish and Game is advising hikers, hunters, and fishermen to take extra precautions and keep alert for bears while in the field. We advise that outdoorsmen wear noisy little bells on their clothing so as not to startle the bears that aren't expecting them. We also advise outdoorsmen to carry pepper spray with them in case of an encounter with a bear.
It is also a good idea to watch out for fresh signs of bear activity. Outdoorsmen should recognize the difference between black bear and grizzly bear poop. Black bear poop is smaller and contains a lot of berry seeds and squirrel fur. Grizzly bear poop has little bells in it and smells like pepper spray.
The problem is, the people whose job it is to do this [cybersecurity], they decided to side with the hackers.
Sadly, so true.
I've known some awesome hackers, and script kiddies too. They can be heroes or villains - often both at the same time. One still bothers me. His office is in an impressive court house, and his job includes delving into the dark web. He told me, in so many words, that he really worked for certain businesses, or maybe it was business in general, I'm not sure. Either way, he was making it clear he thought the interest of the state and that of business were aligned. What that hacker does is everybody's business, double entendre no accident here.
But PR does not care about truth or falsehood, it will use anything... fear mongering... there's a campaign to ruin the relation with Russia and make it very hard for Trump to mend... Real campaigns work on many fronts at once. Once you have official sources and favoured journalists channelling anonymous sources you're instantly playing on another level... the opportunity to escalate the tensions... That is clear intent.
An impressive argument, start to finish. Thanks.
I'll check out sourcewatch.org (and CMD).
Therein lies the rub. There is no way to secure it [the internet/attached devices] against everyone ... except some people.
Agreed. Anything we do ourselves will be little more than a cheap padlock. A web made for easy surveillance has given us shoddy security and an open door to bad guys foreign and domestic. It's obvious this porous net is not in the national interest. As the only power that can, it is Washington's responsibility to do something about this problem. And yet, as President complains of Russia's cyber-warfare with the elections, he offers no measures to protect and secure the web. Curious.
It's curious that the security of the WWW is not addressed by those who could do something about it. To my way of thinking, governments should protect the internet from what is now being called "hybrid warfare." Our attached devices should be secure and free from surveillance except by the appropriate law enforcers with a Constitutionally valid court warrant.
It could happen. Yeah, right.
IT landscape is pain in the ass... A fool with a tool is still a fool...
All the fun is at home.
Word.
The programmer's toolbox is better now, with more languages, code can have longer, clearer and more complex lines, safer calls, better garbage collection and modularity, a more uniform common user interface, and sophisticated database interactions.
What's missing is that great unknown, limitless potential, the clubs, Dr. Dobbs, and the clueless millions wanting, needing and willing to believe whatever you told them. And they were willing to pay too.
Programming isn't as cool anymore. I know people in IT who look down on programmers, ridicule what they do. They beg their bosses for classes on how to be an administrator and run Windows, Servers, SharePoint, 365, Azure, Exchange, SMS,...
There is big money in programming, but rarely for programmers. Corporate programming jobs are often outsourced with short short term contracts, or just part time, which negatively affects the software product. The corporations don't care, as long as it doesn't affect the bottom line. Further hampering good programming, the sales departments have become dominant, turning software products into advertising platforms - even the operating system. Surveillance has become an indispensable revenue stream, as businesses have learned from Google and FaceBook how to monetize user information.
The game industry rakes in over $20 billion annually. As they've gotten richer, they've gotten more paranoid over DRM. 3rd tier business software is everywhere, with customers paying more every year. Accountants', auditors' and governments' standards demand that certain financial information be packaged according to the rule books. If anything goes wrong, until otherwise proved, it's the local programmer's fault. The one exception: if the programmer is in 'the club', they find somebody/something else to blame.
Yeah, programming can still be fun, but cool - eh.
The courts are just upset that /they/ can't view them either.
Yeah, when the rubber meets the road, it's a deal between the corporation and the cops, not the courts. And because Hemisphere is secret, the courts can't decide if it violates the Constitution. Why is any of this even legal?
Thank you EFF, for making the courts look fair. Until now, I thought it was a forgone conclusion the courts would side with the state in any surveillance and/or security vs. legal issue, no matter the credibility of the state's case. I'm glad to say I was wrong.
I boot to Linux on the same hardware, wait a little bit while it comes up, and click on Chrome. It comes right up. I click on an internet TV site, No stalls, no router issues, nothing but smooth. I use other sites at the same time. no problem.
most user uses chrome which has flash and will ditch it soon. why release that?
I think you're right, Flash has a limited shelf life. But Adobe is releasing the Flash Player for Linux anyway because Linux has become an essential part of the computing playing field. For example, Linux is on Azure, and some of Microsoft's most powerful tools are on Linux, like SQL Server, and .NET. At this point, Linux can't be neglected.
Besides, I don't think the general public is the user base Adobe is responding to. Adobe is releasing the Flash Player because business want it. Companies have invested in the Flash ecosystem, with Flash developers and products, clients and who knows what else. I bet some are reluctant to move their old stalwarts off the Flash platform. Coupled with Flash's limited shelf life, the "no 3D, no DRM" stuff kind of supports this idea.
BREAKING: In AD 2101, war COULD begin!
Oh, a bifurcated predictive statement used as a pejorative. Aristotle didn't like those either.
Rob Malda could be raised from the dead by CowboyNeal's sorcery
It would have to be more than bio-engineered sorcery. Didn't CmdrTaco eventually get bored to death at /.?
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I actually had something to say about Aubery de Grey, but hey, these days, that's just not /.'s way.
... when you increase the monetary mass, prices tend to rise accordingly. This was already observed by Adam Smith and you could observe as recently as the last credit bubble....
I think the credit bubble was caused by deregulation leading to no transparency in the markets; the liar's loans of financial institutions, often with inadequate reserves and officers bent on bankrupting their business in the pursuit of self interest; Gresham's law ("bad money drives out good"); the obfuscating repackaging of toxic subprime loans, sold as safe, and bet against by the very crooks that sold them; and complicit regulators, hedge funds, commodity options and derivates markets, real estate brokers and credit ratings agencies. When the bubble burst, Obama came in to save the day. He gave trillions to those same corporate crooks that caused all this in the first place, leaving the private sector with a loss of $14 trillion bucks.
Oh, and the US banks have a $247 trillion debt on their books right now - 13 times the size of the current US national debt. Wonder what's next?
But, hey, I could be wrong. Adam Smith's ideas on Supply and Demand, pursuing self interest, and the de-regulatory "keep the government's hands off the market" could still be working 240 odd years later, since The Wealth of Nations was first published. To me, though, all of this seems more of a cover for those corporate crooks.
Muchas gracias, amigo! There now.
I believe Universal Basic Resources would be better.
UBR? I like that. Definitely want that tried and adjusted as needed.
an AI levy seems to be a logical servant of the public good
I think an AI levy is a good idea too, at least initially. But when things like AI merge with IOT, merge with anything, everything, even people, it's going to get complicated. And yeah, that's all in the works. Already simians can control robotic limbs remotely via implants. Last month a researcher put a chip into an animal's brain to augment its intelligence by interfacing with an external computer.
CEOs may not want to pay people for making their stuff, but they will need people to buy it.
Another good point. Welcome to economics. If you're good at math, you have a very good career path.
Within current context, UBI would only bring you inflation and would be well below Basic.
I suppose the UBI could be tied to inflation directly. But I suspect you mean something more profound. If you mean the libertarian-neoliberal-Paul Ryan context, yes, UBI will never work. For them, even New Deal stuff like SSI and the Education Department has to go, so yes, no UBI for you. Hell, there's a big argument there, whether government has a role at all. Seriously. Remember Ronald Regan's famous "The 9 most terrifying words of the English language are 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help'"? Same difference.
I resist trashing all their "the market is a super information processor, smarter than everyone" stuff. But I do disagree, think it's predatory in practice, and will put us somewhere between where Greece is now and Chili was under Pinochet.
Artificial Intelligence is coming to take our jobs away, and we better think of something. Arts & Crafts, subsistence farming, sabotage - it's all been tried before with mixed success. Maybe there is a role for government after all.
Now that they have the "Big Mo", they don't care about content anymo'.
Well then..
Gimme that Universal Basic Income, and many CEOs will be largely irrelevant.
...It's the solar panels for homes that's really freaking cool...
Oh, I do agree. Those cool solar panels and big batteries might do more than kill a home owner's power bill though. A drastic drop in energy costs for both households and manufacturing\industry could be the basis for an economic revitalization. Power companies louse, the country wins. Who wouldn't want that? Oh...
Just Curious, Tried LLVM (Clang)? If so, what do you think?
And yeah, before I buy one, I want to see a catalogue of quality certified stuff the system can make that I want, need and desire. Include in that catalogue the time and materials needed. Post production instructions would be handy too. Maybe different kinds of catalogues; Some like the old Sears catalogue, others like a Chilton Repair Manual, or even something between a magazine and product catalogue, with articles, how-to columns, and product reviews; something promoting a self-sufficient DIY geek alternative...
BTW, He's the guy who said manipulating public opinion was essential to democracy. He did work "influencing public opinion" for Woodrow Wilson during WWI.