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How Russia Recruited Elite Hackers For Its Cyberwar (nypost.com)
Lasrick quotes a report from The New York Times (Warning: source may be paywalled; alternate source): For more than three years, rather than rely on military officers working out of isolated bunkers, Russian government recruiters have scouted a wide range of programmers, placing prominent ads on social media sites, offering jobs to college students and professional coders, and even speaking openly about looking in Russia's criminal underworld for potential talent. From the New York Post: "Russia's Defense Ministry bought advertising on Vkontakta, the country's most popular social media site, to lure those who were more talented with a keyboard than an AK-47 rifle. 'If you graduated from college, if you are a technical specialist, if you are ready to use your knowledge, we give you an opportunity,' the ad promised, according to the Times. The ad went on to assure recruits that they would be part of units called science squadrons based at military installations where they would live in 'comfortable accommodation' and showed an apartment outfitted with a washing machine, the Times reported. The Defense Ministry even dangled the chance to dodge Russia's mandatory draft by allowing university students to join a science squadron instead and then questioned them about their proficiency with programming languages, the report said."
Someone managed to get access to someone else's email account? EPIC HACKZ0ring!
So is this fake news or not?
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
A country that regularly invades other country to force a change in government gets its panties in a twist over a theory that someone might have taken an interest in their election. The US does this all the time.
I love stacking my barbecues in the shed at the end of summer - you can't beat a bit of grill on grill action.
with LAN
If I didn't dodge the draft by other means I would very well have done this program
That's mildly interesting. As is normally the case, the article points out that the headline is bullshit. College students? That's where you find entry-level programmers, not "elite hackers". Nothing wrong with that, of course, you can train an entry-level programmer to damage computing systems just as readily as you can train them to build secure systems.
There are a few elite hackers, people who really understand the low-leveling functioning of the system, who write the payloads in assembler. Those elite ones, who write assembler, tend to be older more often than they are college kids. College kids tend to *use* the tools written by the older, more experienced and "elite" hackers.
So apparently Russia's nerds have the same problems with personal hygiene that western nerds do...
#DeleteChrome
NYT is fake news.
Any guest worker system is indistinguishable from indentured servitude.
people who really understand the low-leveling functioning of the system
We calls thems electrical engineers where I'm from.
So this wasn't news when they hacked into CIA and the White House. But it's news when they broke into DNC? Because Democrats lost election on all fronts. White House, both houses of Congress, 39 governerships. Oh, and that "popular vote lead" that Hillary got was entirely from the People's Republic of California. She won popular vote by 2.5 million, but she won the vote in California by 4 million (so without California she lost the popular vote 1-1.5 million). And I don't anyone can suggest that California reflects the values or viewpoints of the rest of the United States enough to be the only state which decides its elections. Just to sum up... they recruited "spies" by advertising jobs for RF military technology personal on the Russian clone (and that's what it is) of Facebook? And they promised not conscript them into "mandatory" military service? RF's ability to force young people to actually comply with conscription laws has been so abysmal that its military can pretty much be called voluntary. The only people who go through the "conscription" are the ones who can't think of anything better to do with their lives. Seriously though... spies? These sound like government contractors doing infrastructure work more than spies. You just don't recruit for clandestine operations out in the open. It's official NYT and Washington Post have both joined the ranks of fake news. They are about a year or two away from reporting UFO sightings.
Any guest worker system is indistinguishable from indentured servitude.
you can train an entry-level programmer to damage computing systems just as readily as you can train them to build secure systems.
From my experience 95%+ of programmers can't be trained to build secure systems. Too much of an engineer's mindset. They know how to make things work.
To be good at security, it takes something extra. You have to have a talent for breaking things creatively in a way that is advantageous.
That is why many well-known hackers got their start in a technical field other than programming and simply learned programming along the way, instead of the other way around.
because don't pretend the U.S. has not done this for a decade or more. Russia (and China) has got _nothing_ on the U.S. when it comes to staging a cyberwar on the world, as the NSA revelations have proven. This NYT article is a case of the Fake News you've been hearing about.
Twenty years ago when I was in college the NSA was recruiting in the math department. You think they aren't still hiring? Even if this article is 100% true and accurate in the headline it only merits a yawn. Organizations like to hire talented qualified people. That is news?
Or is it "news" just to keep Russian hackers at the top of the page?
There are a few elite hackers, people who really understand the low-leveling functioning of the system, who write the payloads in assembler.
Of course. A piece of code in assembler that gets injected on the system via a clever manipulation of the power phase and/or fan oscillation, delivered via Q-spoiling. Once infected, the host system sends an email to the hacker to let him know which version of Wordpress is running on the server so he can know which php file to upload and pwn the organization.
lucm, indeed.
A congressional inquiry into media collusion with political parties would be great (if congressional inquiries were great).
Its been a few years since the company I work for had offices in Russia but at that time US export controls prohibited sharing quite a bit of engineering specifications with our team in Russia. So you have some very talented coders who cannot fully participate on projects where their stills and experience would be invaluable. I can only imagine how frustrating this must be and if an honest living cannot be made then the path to a less than honorable income becomes that much more enticing.
> I have no reason not to believe that the NSA and other government agencies recruit top talent in important fields from college,
I know they post employment ads just like any other organization who hires people. I would expect they recruit like other organizations - though possibly not as effectively as many companies. I'm in the security field and have been called about jobs for a lot of companies, only one of which sounded like potentially a front company.
One thing different about their ads is when you click to go to their online application site, it you're instructed to not tell anyone that you've applied - just in case they want to hire you for a clandestine, or more likely semi-clandestine role (typically not spy thriller stuff, just a fairly typical office job but you keep it on the down low).
I understand the intelligence services have had trouble recruiting since the Snowden revelations, which makes sense. Ten or fifteen years ago I probably would have considered a job hacking for the "good guys". Now, we know the good guys are bad guys.
As someone who helps run a Hacker Con here in the US, I can gar-un-tee you that most 'elite' hackers (not all, I'll give you there are a few outlives) were on BBS or at least owned a Commodore 64.
One guy I know got off of a criminal charge because the state's prosecutor said "he couldn't have been the one hacking, he wasn't home when it happened, he was on vacation in Texas" ... and everyone who knew what they were talking about... just stopped... quickly looked around... and was like ... "yep, guess you are right...." and they all walked out of there with the guy (it was a public hearing in front of a local magistrate).... Apparently the hardest part of the entire thing was not laughing when the DA said that....
I've given lectures to 2nd / 3rd year CS students at a Research 1 Tier University in the past few years... and very few of them even knew what SSH was... so yeah...
Obama, what an asshole. He gladly breaks the tradition of lame ducks not rocking the boat. He antagonizes Israel at the UN and now tries to declare war on Russia. What's next? Invade Ireland to seize Apple's cash, then nuke North Korea?
What an awful president. Good riddance.
lucm, indeed.
people who really understand the low-leveling functioning of the system
We calls thems electrical engineers where I'm from.
You fancy higher-level people.
--Physicist
You just know he's in on it
people who really understand the low-leveling functioning of the system
We calls thems electrical engineers where I'm from.
You fancy higher-level people.
--Physicist
Hey, how's it look way up there?
-Mathematician
Irony: Agile development has too much intertia to be abandoned now.
There are a few elite hackers, people who really understand the low-leveling functioning of the system, who write the payloads in assembler. Those elite ones, who write assembler, tend to be older more often than they are college kids.
I'm not one of those guys, but I've partied with some of those guys (and no, not at defcon) and it seemed to me like plenty of them actually are college kids. Is there something mystical about assembler that prevents college kids from learning it?
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Wait a minute, you mean the President Elect chose to pimp out the US to a country that has to recruit tech talent with the promise of a fucking washing machine? A country that's sitting on untold natural resources but has an economy smaller than that of Spain?
Jesus, Trump should have at least held out for China. We might have actually gotten something out of that deal.
You are welcome on my lawn.
antagonizes Israel
If I was sending someone $3.1 billion per year I'd think they'd let me antagonize them as much as I wanted.
The Right is flipping out over Obama's $85M in 'vacation costs', that's all of 10 days of money sent to Israel.
indeed
In these large state/company run crew those are going to be different people. You will have the programmers to write/modify tools and find new zero-day cracks then you will have the people who use those tools and try to get into systems using defined and developed methods.
wouldn't that be an AK-74M or AKM these days?
In my experience, a few young people can work at low level, assembler etc, and truly grok it but it's much more common for older people to have learned it. On the other hand, the youngest programmers are more likely to know how to use the framework of month, which is also a good thing to know.
Multiply the percentage of people in each age group who grok assembly by the percentage that have elite skills that normally come from many years of experience.
In 20 years of continually learning, I've already done it wrong 5,000 different ways. It's hard to screw up that much in just a few years, and learn the same lessons. Actually there's also a lot of benefit, to me, of cross-pollinating a lot of stuff I've done over the years; hacks I did with DirectX 8 and 9 give me ideas that I use today. It's tough for a college kid to say "hey maybe something like the hack I figured out in 1994 can be applied here."
And where I'm from, you call EEs "unemployed".
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dought that would fly today. people in the field(db's,general networking, buisness in general, etc) have been working remotely for a few decades.
I mean really, why do you care? You already use Windows 10, Facebook, twitter, Pinterest, instagram, LinkedIn, gmail. You already have all your details and secrets out in the open for anyone who can come up with two cents to just buy those. No hacking is needed. All of your data, all of you is traded and sold like sheep for slaught. One has to be insanely stupid at being inefficient to hack you instead just paying a nominal fee in the appropriate "analytics" or "traffic driving" or "insights" company.
and here i thought they used hookers and bling to lure the talented hackers.
OK, can you get back to work now? I ordered a *big* fry with that burger, okay?
When this sell out of a puppet president that's trying to start a war with Russia to honor his EU/Globalist's masters will get the FUCK OUT! Anyone that believes this Russia-hacked-our-election bullshit is a MORON to put it nicely.
> You will have the programmers to write/modify tools and find new zero-day cracks then you will have the people who use those tools and try to get into systems using defined and developed methods.
Even in the small to medium sized security company where I work, that's at least three, really four different groups. I write the tools. S sometimes the tools I write find basically the same vulnerabilities in new applications (such as yet another SQLi in yet another web application) , but real zero-days is a different skillset. Even amongst the zero-day crew, finding them is a different skillset than fully exploiting them. I can *find* a buffer overrun when an input causes the program to crash. Having it execute my choice of payload rather than just crash is a whole other level.
After submitting, I realized part of my post was probably unclear. Currently, I mostly write tools to find known vulnerabilities. If you didn't install the security patches on patch Tuesday, my tools will discover that. If you're still using an outdated cipher, my tools detect that. Brand new vulnerabilities are a different department located in a different country.
I'm sure the Russian government recruits computer talent in the many ways listed in the article. I would suspect the U.S. government does much the same.
The fake part comes in: Why publish this piece now? Why not, say, during the massive OPM breach?
Simple: Publishing it during the OPM breach would have harmed Obama, whom the New York Times and it's employees almost universally adore, while publishing it now helps prop up the false narrative that the Russians were behind the DNC leaks, not a disgruntled Democratic Party insider, and thus supposedly harms President-elect Donald Trump, whom the New York Times and it's employees almost universally loath.
Remember, among the revelations to come out just after the election were how the Times abandoned objectivity to go after Trump and how the entire newsroom is dedicated to driving a predetermined narrative rather than carrying out an objective search for truth.
This story was published because it fits an (unproven and probably false) narrative that Russia "hacked the election" because it theoretically harms Trump.
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antagonizes Israel
If I was sending someone $3.1 billion per year I'd think they'd let me antagonize them as much as I wanted.
The Right is flipping out over Obama's $85M in 'vacation costs', that's all of 10 days of money sent to Israel.
The federal debt under Obama has increased by $8,946,567,665,023.71. That's just the debt, not the whole spending. The real problem here is not Israel.
lucm, indeed.
They seem pretty butthurt about losing to Donald Trump.
Here's a thought. If foreign influence by way of leaking the internal emails of our political parties is such a problem for our democracy then maybe the solution is more transparency, and more domestic "hackers" leaking emails. There's always going to be foreign governments trying to gather information, for blackmail, and to wield influence. If we let our political parties become corrupt then we will have a weak political system.
You can see some of the dirty russkie's under the table efforts here. http://www.arcyber.army.mil/Pa... We really have to do something about this.
Actually, it was done twice by 2 US presidents - Clinton and Obama. Both did what they could to try and get Netanyahu beaten in the Israeli elections - w/ Clinton sending Carville to manage Labour's campaign and actually pulling it off - getting Ehud Barak elected
While I don't believe that the WikiLeaks was the straw that broke the camel's back and tilted this election Trump's way, in the event that it actually did, it couldn't have happened to a more deserving candidate
And yet, they keep getting worse. Hang on for Trump.
Hillary didn't lose because of some "mandate from the minority" or because of perceived corruptions... She lost because she has the personality of a beige jumpsuit.
Trump won because he's the man you love to hate... Trump is EASILY as corrupt as Clinton, probably more so, but the conservatives can NEVER admit that because he's their backed horse now.
Just like every other vitriolic conservative personality, they feign outrage, while giving a slight wink and a nod of supporting the very thing they "stand" for... i.e. "drain the swamp!"
Bernie had personality and ran an arguably clean campaign and REAL grass roots support, but he was undoubtedly hamstrung by the DNC who were dead set on lifting Hillary to office. It is my firm opinion that Bernie would have decidedly beaten Trump... without a shred of doubt in my mind. On that score the democrats were a MAJOR factor in Trump's victory to the presidency.
Every time I hear the news try to pin the blame of the election results on "Russian Hackers" I can't help thinking of that scene in She Devil. The one where Bob is meeting with his lawyers who advise him to claim that hackers broke into his computer and committed the fraud knowing they will get the easy judge, but instead the judges are switched and it back fires on him.
The whole thing smells to high heaven. Take the warnings by the FBI to the DNC. If they knew the hacks were going on, then they must have had some monitoring agents already installed (at the ISP or locally) which tipped them off, or they were the ones carrying out the attacks running them through Russian nodes to conceal the source and keep plausible denial ability.
Seriously though, She lost, move on DNC and stop trying to start a war over this.
"dought "???
Um, what?
You really are a fucking moron.
Is very interesting Comrade. What is recommending as best of Slashdot deals to become hacker? What is added to "complete" bundles? Is worth the extra rubles?
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ya and its on a hd in the back......so what americans call there hacking spying and they do it to ...everyone , russia gets even and what?
hey putin , the number 1 hacker says where do i sign up ....these yanks need a lesson( and yea ty snowden)
Government doesn't recruit hackers, hackers recruit the government.
I'm thinking this is pretty much some BS story. Not even going to bother reading this crap anymore.
Yep, that was the setup. Odd he didn't put logicians even further right. Guess he doesn't know they exist.
Philosopher
I never regretted voting for him in 2012 until November of 2016. His term as a lame duck has been extremely petty and reeks of desperation and passive-aggressive sabotage. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if him & Michelle trash the White House on their way out. It's honestly disgraceful and embarrassing. It is so far beneath him I'm in complete shock.
I've never seen someone maintain a facade of class for nearly a decade only to squander it on his way out the door because he doesn't like his replacement.
TLDR: He has been acting very low-rent for the past month.
Actually no.
Hacking is an "applied" field.
Go ask a mathematician to design a working computer chip.
You are thinking too much into this. Spouting rational conclusions without citing sources that can only originate from the NSA, FBI, or CIA is dangerous. You must adopt the narrative and go along with it for your own good. You don't want to be labeled a "conspiracy theorist", or "fake news" junkie. But I agree with you completely on all points. Cream of the crop, elite hackers, are no college students. Taking college students and teaching them how to use prebuilt tools is training script kiddies. If script kiddies are running around taking down banks, exposing Olympic cheating, obtaining personal information (including credit cards and identities), stealing emails from the DNC, and affecting elections, and have become a serious threat to our national security, there is something seriously wrong with our cyber experts and IT professionals from around the world and that alone should discredit anything that exits their mouth because it is laden with excuses and withholding dirty little secrets. You have thousands of IT professionals, handling sensitive data, and they can't keep it from leaking out into the public by script kiddies. You also have irresponsible users making matters worse. That alone should be enough to realize that perhaps returning to those good old days, and its principles, is a good idea and the only solution to the problem. And this means eliminating IT departments for nearly all entities, taking computers away from the average person, and eliminating the market and the need to metadata every fucking individual that has ever existed in the 21st century. Microsoft has seen the writing on the wall and I have watched their presentations on the topic. They realize that for the internet to evolve they need to get a grip on this all, tighten controls, and otherwise band together with the tech community and take complete control. If they fail at any of this, the threat of the internet going into a free fall collapse will happen within our lifetime.
Is Trump's connection with Putin purely sexual, or are there US national security implications?
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
Hey, maybe you could disagree and we can re-ignite the oldest flame war in computerdom.
I was doing assembler in highschool. It was the only way to get decent performance.
I doing plenty in Assembly for the Bulgarian People's Army in the 80s. There was a time I could read and edit in hexadecimal, getting things right most of the time. After the fall of the so called Communist government, I went to college in the US. Nothing mythical about Assembly and college, they mix just fine.
As a matter of fact, at least in the 90s, MIT had plenty of courses that used Assembly... and a few were you would actually design both a processor (with a very simple instruction set) and write the assembler (the program going from Assembly to binary code) for it.
This said, I have used (embedded) Assembly twice in the last twenty years, for the same reason both times: to wring a little bit more performance for data crunching that had to be performed in real time. Neither was for my day job. Then again, I'm not a hacker for the Russian government, the only government that's eeeeevil enough to employ *gasp* hackers.
No good deed goes unpunished...
Damn, missing 'was', 'were' instead of 'where'... It's funny how these things happen whenever I start thinking about the bad old times, when the only thing that was better was me.
No good deed goes unpunished...
"Okay, let me get this straight. Your completely ignoring the fact that the result of a national election was dictated by a foreign country in favor of a cheap shot against democrats?"
WHERE do you get this garbage?
THERE is NO evidence that the result of the election was "dictated by a foreign country"!!!!! Hillary Clinton's campaign idiot, John Podesta, stupidly responded to a phishing e-mail and in doing so handed over the access to his e-mail account to SOME HACKER located SOMEWHERE ON EARTH. Apparently, the unknown hacker then grabbed Podesta's e-mails and handed them to Wikileaks. There's a plausible report that even this phishing attack was not even the source of the Wikileaks info and that it was provided by a Democrat insider, possibly an annoyed Bernie supporter. IF this phishing attack affected the election, then what you are saying is that it was very unfair for the American people to find out the truths about Hillary and her team that were exposed and that by your reckoning the American people should have remained ignorant and been tricked into supporting Hillary (THAT would have been the electionhack the Democrats intended).
You Hillary supporters are just getting pathetic at this point - there's now a poll showing half of the Democrats think Putin hacked the voting machines (something even Obama says is impossible). It's just like you people who think Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her House; Palin NEVER said it, the words were said on SNL by Tina Fey who was impersonating Palin. If left-wing media outlets repeat a lie often enough, it appears that fact-starved bubble-occupying liberals will believe the lie.
Answer this: IF Obama knew Putin was hacking the election over the past year-and-a-half, then why did he do NOTHING to stop the hacks or punish the Russians until now, just before leaving office and after supposedly letting Hillary lose to the Russian hackers???? Obama theoretically has NSA people snooping on all net traffic and e-mails etc, so SURELY he could have detected it and defended the Democrat party from a simple phishing attack and SURELY he must have iron-clad proof of all the hack traffic and should have known exactly where all the hack traffic was coming from and going to. If you are right that Putin "hacked the election" then why did the most powerful man on Earth (Obama) let him do it????
Another Question: You Hillbots keep insisting Trump is Putin's puppet... where is any shred of evidence for this? Trump has certainly called Putin "smart", but if you Democrats are right that Putin hacked the election, then you agree that Putin is smarter than Obama. Trump has certainly said he disagrees with Putin's agenda but that Putin is a better leader than Obama, but this was a slam on the poor leadership of Obama and is certainly true if you consider who is getting more results from his efforts to lead his respective nation. Remember that Hillary actually enabled Putin to grab a big chunk of America's Uranium capacity and that her campaign boy Podesta is a registered lobbyist for Putin's banker...
While we're bombarded with news about Russian hacking, let's not forget that the first country that deployed what can be called a "cyber-weapon" is the USA.
If you try and learn assembler in college you've left it too late.
WOW, now that is an intelligent rebuttal.
Actually, it was done twice by 2 US presidents - Clinton and Obama. Both did what they could to try and get Netanyahu beaten in the Israeli elections - w/ Clinton sending Carville to manage Labour's campaign and actually pulling it off - getting Ehud Barak elected
While I don't believe that the WikiLeaks was the straw that broke the camel's back and tilted this election Trump's way, in the event that it actually did, it couldn't have happened to a more deserving candidate
Trump is a deceiving candidate? ROFLMAO.
Instead of this sham governments could do a real job. For example standardize plugs, sockets, voltage, or say traffic signs for automation.
Now this should be modded extra funny not only this post, but this parent and its parent post as well! Good to see humor is not completely dead in this discussion board.
Slashdot should know better.
"Russian government recruiters .. placing prominent ads on social media sites"
Is there a link to the original adverts?
actually a very intelligent one. read the op's second paragraph. that is the most retarded thing I've heard or read in a long time, and my opinion has nothing to do with politics.
the rebuttal of a moron would be to argue with some completely idiotic and ridiculous thing someone says. an intelligent rebuttal is to call the guy an idiot, click submit, and never bother checking if he replied. in the world outside, that equates to laughing at someone to their face and walking away.
There are a few elite hackers, people who really understand the low-leveling functioning of the system, who write the payloads in assembler. Those elite ones, who write assembler, tend to be older more often than they are college kids.
I'm not one of those guys, but I've partied with some of those guys (and no, not at defcon) and it seemed to me like plenty of them actually are college kids. Is there something mystical about assembler that prevents college kids from learning it?
I was taught how to program in Assembler in college so yes they do teach it in engineering school. I suspect the OP was just waxing about it being something incomprehensible to normal plebeian computer users to state that because Assembly programing is beyond me it is beyond you too. and people apparently accepted it as true.
The truth is that there are high school prodigies that teach themselves how to use assembler and occasionally they teach others.. or old parents who used assembler in their training, teaches their kids who in turn teach other kids and then something gets started that you have this pool of younger programmers who know assembly. Not everyone is smart and old and young and stupid.. just like you have some water on this planet that is hot and some that is cold and some that is in between.. this is why we have this thing called "Weather". I digress Assembly is not some sort of mystical knowledge, in fact when you put it on a resume it is rare that anyone cares about it in todays world.
Watch some of the CCC talk videos. There are university students hacking commercial banking systems and games consoles for their dissertations. The games consoles in particular need a lot of assembler and low level work to recover keys, right down to the hardware level.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Hey guys, did you hear Russia is hacking the US? "No big deal, it's probably just propaganda" Hey guys, did you hear Hillary didn't secure her e-mail server? "OMG SHE'S THE DEVIL SEND HER TO PRISON FOR TREASON!" I love watching you morons try to justify your way out of your own stupidity.
A whole lot of "zero evidence" going on
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
It's curious that the security of the WWW is not addressed by those who could do something about it.
The problem is, the people whose job it is to do this, they decided to side with the hackers.
Actually they sided with the highest bidder.
Nowadays, anyone with good technical assets is typically frowned upon in business, or at the very least not considered posivitely. "Just code monkeys" etc. When opportunity to prove yourself against your peers and often against former employers and offered a fair amount of money in the process, the choice is clear.
In this case they went at the delivery end of the nursery and cherry picked the very best minds and offered incentives to work in their team. Its a bear eat bear out there, bring your pepper spray and hiker trail bells.
Actually, it was done twice by 2 US presidents - Clinton and Obama. Both did what they could to try and get Netanyahu beaten in the Israeli elections - w/ Clinton sending Carville to manage Labour's campaign and actually pulling it off - getting Ehud Barak elected
While I don't believe that the WikiLeaks was the straw that broke the camel's back and tilted this election Trump's way, in the event that it actually did, it couldn't have happened to a more deserving candidate
So Trump was elected to give Hillary her just desserts? That's like setting yourself on fire to show the propane company you don't need their fuel to keep warm in the winter.
This country deserves every fucking thing coming to it over the next four years.
~X~
holy shit man, I didn't know people as dumb as you could type. you need to have a super low iq to not be able to understand what. I'm not going to explain to you what the guy meant to say, because I like losers and idiots to stay losers and idiots. it's very entertaining for the rest of us.
>even dangled the chance to dodge Russia's mandatory draft ;)
That was the main idea. It has little to do with hackers though. There was a big change with Russian universities where a lot of "military faculties/ " were closed. The status quo with Russian draft system since late 80s was that male graduates of average and above average universities became lieutenants in reserve and exempt from draft. After closing of hundreds of military faculties, a lot of graduates were to be drafted as privates, which is a big waste of human capital, they opened these "science squadrons" (they recruited many kinds of specialist, not just programmers). Besides vkontakte ads, there was also a moderately popular sitcom funded by Russian military, but overall this way of dodging military service did not become very popular, most folks chose other legal, semi-legal and illegal routes. Myself, for example, relocated to New Zealand
Yes, I disagree. The new software video modes on the 64 are very entertaining, although I can't forgive Commodore for the stupid limited 16 color palette.
The NYT served as the Bush Administration's propaganda organ in the lead-up to the invasion of Iraq. Now they are reprising that role for the Obama administration's last-ditch efforts to lie the country into war with Russia.
The OP's second paragraph essentially stated "What went around came around". Nothing more, nothing less. You are about as intelligent as the other cretin AC 2 posts above you
Are you incapable of reading, or typing? Or both?
No, I stated that the Democrats deserved what they got. They tried rigging Israeli elections twice - the first time successfully - and this time, assuming that this election was rigged against them (something I don't agree that happened), it was a just payback.
"You really are a fucking moron."
It's not like the US is a y different, I'll bet they're doing a lot longer and even more agressively.
ROFL, whose the loser/idiot!? Do you not recognize sarcasm?
In AD 2101, cyber was beginning.
Captain: What happen? ....
Mechanic: Somebody set up us the cyber.
Operator: We get signal.
Captain: What !
Operator: Main screen turn on.
Captain: It's you !!
CYBERRUSSIAN: How are you gentlemen !! All your cyber are belong to us. You are on the way to cyber.
Captain: What you say !!
CYBERRUSSIAN: You have no chance to cyber make your cyber. Ha ha ha ha
not "what went around came around"
"i don't think it has gone around, but if it did go around it would have come around"
that doesn't sound retarded to you, retard? I know, I know. you're an ugly loser and don't know how normal people talk due to them mostly just laughing at you. sorry for that uggo.
Security isn't taught to CS students. All they get are math and algorithms. Check out the newer degrees, information systems, networking, information/cyber security. Those students are a different breed. A typical 2nd year even in a hodunk town community college will be able to tell you the packet and low-level communications structure of SSH off the top of their head...because it's in the curriculum. If they are in a good school they might have already written their own enhanced version.
Are you implying that the leaks are manufactured? I thought the leaks was legit documents and information.
"When has the alleged Russian hacking been investigated thoroughly enough, or severe enough sanctions been applied?"
"When it means that's why we lost the election."
Democrat "narratives", indeed.
okay
No "elite" hackers are required to do email phishing or hack PHP or JavaEE crap. Ordinary students could do it for fun. Free security scanners and tools like Metasploit are more than enough. It is not even that interesting.
The U.S. Air Force advertises on TV, regularly.
The U.S. Army commissioned and distributes a video game as a recruiting tool.
They probably do social media too, but I don;t know because I can't stand to look at that shit.
Are America's pussies really now going to whine about Russia recruiting people for their own programs, as if it were some uniquely nefarious purpose practiced only by the Russians?
Oh, I absolutely consider them legit. I was just accepting the (incorrect) premise that it was illegitimate to sabotage their prospects, and then illustrating that they had done it for at least one foreign election previously - that in Israel. So it's like someone in a very fragile glass house throwing stones
Everybody recruits the best minds from college. Or did they think you go through special forces survival training to become a hacker in the military?
The fact that NYT publishes such junk indicates they are out of real stories, in which case they should shut down
Not to quibble, but IS there an actual law making phishing illegal? I'm opposed to phishing which is certainly immoral (if you believe in fixed standards of morality), but I am not certain there is an actual law on the books nor that the person(s) responsible are subject to that law.
I've been told repeatedly over the past 20 years by numerous Democrats on TV that the Clinton and Obama people are all super-intelligent (obviously MUCH smarter than Republicans) and indeed so much smarter than average citizens that they ought to be running everybody's lives.... but now YOU are telling me Podesta is some sort of doofus who is much dumber than I am..... which is it?
If the truths that were exposed were only embarrassing and not really substantive, then WHY is the supposed hacking such a serious outrage and how could it possibly undermine the legitimacy of Trump or the election, hmmmmm???? Sure, there's no LAW making it illegal for the DNC to rig the primaries for Hillary, or for the Democrats in the press to slip Hillary the debate questions, or for journalists to give their stories to team Hillary to get edited and approved, or for Democrats to plant stories in the press, or for Democrats to expose themselves as racists/sexists/homophobes/etc.... so you are right that ILLEGALITY was not exposed (and I did not assert that any legal violations were exposed in the Wikileaks) but again: if this stuff is not important then why are Democrats shrieking about it and calling for a new Cold War?
While we're on the subject: Were you outraged by the New York Times publishing leaks from a stolen portion of Trump's tax filings? It's specifically a felony to leak somebody's tax filings.
Were you similarly outraged when a Democrat activist hacked Sarah Palin's e-mail account and then the New York Times urged its readers to help crowd-source the search through those stolen e-mails to find dirt? Incidentally, no dirt was found in Palin's e-mails because Sarah Palin is apparently far nicer and more ethical than most Democrats.
I have fixed standards; I believe ALL theft of other people's documents is wrong, however we have just been through 8 years of total situational ethics courtesy of the Democrats - and after all the garbage they pulled, most particularly the Palin hacks and the worship of Wikileaks and Assange as they dumped Bush era stuff, I see the DNC hack and related Wikileaks publishing as "fair play" that MIGHT re-level the playing field and convince SOME Democrats that the situational ethics they embraced through the past 16 years need to end.
The dump of Podesta's e-mails was WRONG, but he's not in a position to complain, both because he was at fault for being so gullible AND because HE has been such a partisan hack who supported so much of this crap when it was done to Republicans. It's also very interesting to watch the Democrats going nearly insane with the desperate effort to keep the public looking at the METHOD by which the info was exposed and distracted from the CONTENT (which Hillary inadvertently validated in the debate where she brought up the Lincoln comments). Tell me: If somebody is burgling a home and discovers a child being molested therein, and in a fit of conscience calls the cops, should we ignore the molestation and focus only on the burglary???? I believe we should pay attention to BOTH.
Trump's hardly the perfect president; he's the blunt instrument the people have decided to use against a corrupt political establishment. I had no need to comment on HIS screams about having HIS e-mails hacked - he's smart enough not to use e-mail for anything important. You can keep trying to blame Russia (PLEASE DO!) but then your side will never figure out why it lost and will be out of power for quite a while.....maybe even long enough for the people's wrecking ball to smash a few corrupt and ossified establishments in DC.
From right here. Judging by what I've read here in the past; the undying love shown for Assange, Putin and Herr Drumpf, I'd most were recruited from these very pages.
That's the real story.
ever heard of that miraculous tool of internetz hacking "Whois?" >Whois fancybear.net
Whois v1.12 - Domain information lookup utility
Sysinternals - www.sysinternals.com
Copyright (C) 2005-2014 Mark Russinovich
Registrant Name: Jean Guillalime
Registrant Organization: no
Registrant Street: 38 Rue Beausejour
Registrant City: Pomponne
Registrant State/Province: Seine-et-Marne
Registrant Postal Code: 77400
Registrant Country: FR
What abouts that odder tool of interwebs hacking "Ping? Ping fancybear.net
Pinging fancybear.net [2400:cb00:2048:1::681f:5935]
Wouda tunk? A french owned website operated through Cloudflare?
The US only lacks one small detail to utterly win the "cyberwar" - understanding that paying top talent more than they can make anywhere else (and throwing it in their face, bling-style) can totally win them the hacking war.
Problem is our *privately* capitalistic society only wants to pay $20M a year to a guy who can throw a ball, not one who can shutdown an entire country's electricity grid...
Oh man - I love it when 2 monkeys fling shit at each other, namecalling each other a monkey.
What you said in your original post is incredibly stupid. There are people who hear "lets build solar panels under the roads" and just laugh and move on. There are others, like you, who discuss it.
You essentially said "USA put Israel's president in power so it would be satisfying if the Russians put Trump in power."
You were serious. Now, I'm not going to go into why solar under the roadways is funny and should not be taken seriously. I will instead explain why the guy you're throwing shit at is a monkey.
I have no idea what "ROFLMAO" means. None of my friends know what that means. None of us are going to bother looking it up. It does make a sound like someone is Barfing Mayonaise. I'll just assume it's that.
This bullshit has got to stop.
The great Russian conspiracy is nothing more than an attempt to deflect attention away from the real reasons for the Democrats’ disastrous showing in this years’ election.
And, it’s not working. It just makes you look all that more pathetic. If you have any desire to become relevant again, you need to grow the hell up.
Sharia law for Israel
Medina back to Israel