I doubt this will be much of a barrier to the RIAA however, as they might just decide to go after the machines that are routing the file to their ultimate destination, as this is different from the ISP case (which is still being tried in the courts).
You've missed several points: 1. The RIAA can't tell what files are passing through a node. 2. The RIAA can't tell if the file they download from your IP is hosted by you, or you are just forwarding it. 3. MOST IMPORTANTLY, YOU can't tell what files are passing through your machine. That's straight out of Freenet. RIAA may download a file from your IP, but you can prove you had no knowledge that the file was coming from/through your node. No knowledge = no culpability.
With enough hosts you could figure out which virtual address are the most reponsive for replies. And make a best guess that person is responsible. Attack in numbers, and then over time, find out which IP's respond, fall back to normal IP logging. Then ask your ISP who had which IP's over time, and go after that user.
But they can never figure out beyond a reasonable doubt which IP was serving what file. That's an old principle called "plausible deniability", frequently use by both Bush's and Reagan.
If you can't PROVE that file xxx.mp3 came from Billy Bob at IP 123.6.6.6, then you have no case.
You splurged on the 800? All I could afford was the Atari 400, with the membrane keyboard.
Yeah, but it was a birthday gift, I was 12. My poor Dad had to pay $1200 for that thing. BIG bucks back then. I paid $500 for the 88k "disk-shooter" 810 about a year later. Not to mention $150 for the GTIA chip, $100+ for the "data-separator board" for the 810, $400-ish for the 850, etc...
I feel for you on that keyboard. As I recall, there were kits to upgrade that keyboard. I bought a 400 a few years later as a game console. It's in storage now too, but works fine.
1979 Atari 800, 8k, cassette for storage. Better hardware, better color, better sound, better graphics than anything out there at the time. Don't argue with me on this! Serial number was 0271. Sitting in my Dad's basement 1000 miles from here, but it still works.
Seems most people have missed the best part: The moral ambiguity of Number Six. It (she?) clearly helps Baltar several times, and even speaks of wanting his love. But it also speaks plainly of the Cylon's intention of destroying Humankind.
Even in the baby-killing incident, there is a hint of surprise in Number Six's face when the neck snaps. I think it's clear it didn't mean to kill the baby.
That kind of ambiguity makes the Cylon's intriguing. The lack of explanation for why they want to extinguish Humanity only adds to that.
I just don't get this attitude. So it's the WORLD that should change to accommodate the views held by the free software camp
No, The world SHOULD NOT change to accomodate a format foisted on us by a monopoly, that makes communication HARDER!
Oh yeah; then PATENT it so they have to PAY somebody else to read YOUR work! GENIUS!
Blue screen? What blue screen? Ever since I installed W2K I have never seen the blue screen again.
You have to turn it on every now and then...;-)
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be prepared for annoyances like:
- not being able to open that complex word attachment that your coworker mailed you
Shame on them for using proprietary formats! They don't enhance communication, they limit it!
- not being able to browse every site online (some are definitely IE specific, others require plugins not available on linux)
Shame on them for not adhering to published web standards. Their website it broken, not my browser, dammit!
- figure out how users, accounts, software installations etc. work (click on a link and the program installs automatically? yeah, right), not to mention the joys of the command line
Are you talking about Windows XP?
- become confused by some desktop environments where settings are spread around 3 different menus and where sometimes they inexplicably don't stick etc. etc. in general using software developed by developers with sometimes not much thought given to user friendliness and good UI guidelines.
Oh! You're talking about every version of Windoze! I get it!
- not being able to play commercial games (unless you shell out for winex and even then some things don't work)
"Unless you shell out for the latest Winders version, then still have to download the latest version of DirectX". 'Nuff said.
I could go on and on, I've been using linux on my desktop primarily for more than 10 years now and there's no way that I'd give it to somebody not extremely computer literate...
I gave it to my Mom, over 1000 miles away, and now she never calls me with complaints about the computer displaying that "Lovely blue screen"...
NO WAY would I give a WINDOWS PC to somebody not extrememly computer literate...
This article is baloney. The current thoery is that most oil was created during the formation of the planet or shortly thereafter, and does NOT come from plants/animals/whatever. So we are burning a totally non-renewable energy source.
And so what? The computers will take over the earth and kill us all long before we run out of gas.
Popups are absolutely unacceptable behaviour, and I don't care what's in it. I didn't give them permission to change anything on my desktop, only to display their page within my browser at its current size and position. For them to assume they can change that is arrogant and greedy.
Mozilla Firebird rocks because I can disable ALL the server controls. When I do allow a new window to be opened, I force it to allow resizing, show the all the toolbars, and show the menubar. That way I'M in control.
Amazing. I heard about that guy, but never got to see any of it. The parts I saw had blue paint on the exterior, so I wonder if they were part of a Boeing mock-up or prototype.
The purpose of this is to lessen the load on servers for tasks such as professors sending files to students, thereby decreasing the amount of manpower necessary to administer them.
That's seems like a waste of effort when bittorrent is already finished, proven, and can trace downloads.
Matt, there must be something wrong with your network. I just tried this over the weekend, using a K6-2 300 machine running Winders 98SE, talking to a P4 1.8 using XP over a 100mb network, through two cheapo switches, using RealVNC 3.3.7. Latency was nonexistant, and I had no trouble using any audio application or editor. I really think you must have a configuration problem somewhere.
Not quite a radio station production studio, but good enough?
Not sure what kind of old, retired computers you've been using, but the majority of them are warm and noisy, which is what the poster is trying to avoid.
You guys have a good point, but a CD- or floppy-booting HD-less Pentium could reliably operate with no fans and no noise and very little added heat.
The flexibility alone would be worth the few minutes it takes to mod the machine, IMHO.
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I doubt this will be much of a barrier to the RIAA however, as they might just decide to go after the machines that are routing the file to their ultimate destination, as this is different from the ISP case (which is still being tried in the courts).
You've missed several points:
1. The RIAA can't tell what files are passing through a node.
2. The RIAA can't tell if the file they download from your IP is hosted by you, or you are just forwarding it.
3. MOST IMPORTANTLY, YOU can't tell what files are passing through your machine. That's straight out of Freenet. RIAA may download a file from your IP, but you can prove you had no knowledge that the file was coming from/through your node. No knowledge = no culpability.
With enough hosts you could figure out which virtual address are the most reponsive for replies. And make a best guess that person is responsible. Attack in numbers, and then over time, find out which IP's respond, fall back to normal IP logging. Then ask your ISP who had which IP's over time, and go after that user.
But they can never figure out beyond a reasonable doubt which IP was serving what file. That's an old principle called "plausible deniability", frequently use by both Bush's and Reagan.
If you can't PROVE that file xxx.mp3 came from Billy Bob at IP 123.6.6.6, then you have no case.
Friends don't let friends post.
So I guess we are testing the heatsinks right now, as we pound the shineola out of their webservers?
Friends don't let friends post.
You splurged on the 800? All I could afford was the Atari 400, with the membrane keyboard.
Yeah, but it was a birthday gift, I was 12. My poor Dad had to pay $1200 for that thing. BIG bucks back then. I paid $500 for the 88k "disk-shooter" 810 about a year later. Not to mention $150 for the GTIA chip, $100+ for the "data-separator board" for the 810, $400-ish for the 850, etc...
I feel for you on that keyboard. As I recall, there were kits to upgrade that keyboard. I bought a 400 a few years later as a game console. It's in storage now too, but works fine.
1979 Atari 800, 8k, cassette for storage. Better hardware, better color, better sound, better graphics than anything out there at the time. Don't argue with me on this! Serial number was 0271. Sitting in my Dad's basement 1000 miles from here, but it still works.
.sig (C) SCO Group. Please insert $699.
STAR RAIDERS IS THE BEST GAME EVER!
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Seems most people have missed the best part: The moral ambiguity of Number Six. It (she?) clearly helps Baltar several times, and even speaks of wanting his love. But it also speaks plainly of the Cylon's intention of destroying Humankind.
Even in the baby-killing incident, there is a hint of surprise in Number Six's face when the neck snaps. I think it's clear it didn't mean to kill the baby.
That kind of ambiguity makes the Cylon's intriguing. The lack of explanation for why they want to extinguish Humanity only adds to that.
I just don't get this attitude. So it's the WORLD that should change to accommodate the views held by the free software camp
;-)
No, The world SHOULD NOT change to accomodate a format foisted on us by a monopoly, that makes communication HARDER!
Oh yeah; then PATENT it so they have to PAY somebody else to read YOUR work! GENIUS!
Blue screen? What blue screen? Ever since I installed W2K I have never seen the blue screen again.
You have to turn it on every now and then...
be prepared for annoyances like:
- not being able to open that complex word attachment that your coworker mailed you
Shame on them for using proprietary formats! They don't enhance communication, they limit it!
- not being able to browse every site online (some are definitely IE specific, others require plugins not available on linux)
Shame on them for not adhering to published web standards. Their website it broken, not my browser, dammit!
- figure out how users, accounts, software installations etc. work (click on a link and the program installs automatically? yeah, right), not to mention the joys of the command line
Are you talking about Windows XP?
- become confused by some desktop environments where settings are spread around 3 different menus and where sometimes they inexplicably don't stick etc. etc. in general using software developed by developers with sometimes not much thought given to user friendliness and good UI guidelines.
Oh! You're talking about every version of Windoze! I get it!
- not being able to play commercial games (unless you shell out for winex and even then some things don't work)
"Unless you shell out for the latest Winders version, then still have to download the latest version of DirectX". 'Nuff said.
I could go on and on, I've been using linux on my desktop primarily for more than 10 years now and there's no way that I'd give it to somebody not extremely computer literate...
I gave it to my Mom, over 1000 miles away, and now she never calls me with complaints about the computer displaying that "Lovely blue screen"...
NO WAY would I give a WINDOWS PC to somebody not extrememly computer literate...
* You have regular sex
.sig is good .sig
Obviously, you're not married.
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"Give a hoot, read a book!" - Krusty the Clown.
Only if they pay $699 to SCO for fishing "license"...
(Sorry. Just shoot me...)
"That's just sick."
What do you mean? I was talking about holding the barf-bag. What did you *think* I meant? Get your mind out of the gutter, boy!
I have a T-1000 in my closet, and that old Toshiba POS ain't going to kill anybody. It can barely run DOS, for christ's sake!
"... fanasize about Pamela Anderson, etc."
No way. Then I would be dangerous and still only have one hand on the wheel...
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This article is baloney. The current thoery is that most oil was created during the formation of the planet or shortly thereafter, and does NOT come from plants/animals/whatever. So we are burning a totally non-renewable energy source.
And so what? The computers will take over the earth and kill us all long before we run out of gas.
Popups are absolutely unacceptable behaviour, and I don't care what's in it. I didn't give them permission to change anything on my desktop, only to display their page within my browser at its current size and position. For them to assume they can change that is arrogant and greedy.
Mozilla Firebird rocks because I can disable ALL the server controls. When I do allow a new window to be opened, I force it to allow resizing, show the all the toolbars, and show the menubar. That way I'M in control.
This is not news. I've seen this theory on TLC or Discovery at least twice in the last couple of years.
Amazing. I heard about that guy, but never got to see any of it. The parts I saw had blue paint on the exterior, so I wonder if they were part of a Boeing mock-up or prototype.
Last I saw it, some ten years ago, parts of the fuselage (NASA's version?) were sitting in a junkyard on route 50, just East of Orlando.
The purpose of this is to lessen the load on servers for tasks such as professors sending files to students, thereby decreasing the amount of manpower necessary to administer them.
That's seems like a waste of effort when bittorrent is already finished, proven, and can trace downloads.
http://www.modexotics.com/www/p102950_v1.html
'Nuf said.
Matt, there must be something wrong with your network. I just tried this over the weekend, using a K6-2 300 machine running Winders 98SE, talking to a P4 1.8 using XP over a 100mb network, through two cheapo switches, using RealVNC 3.3.7. Latency was nonexistant, and I had no trouble using any audio application or editor. I really think you must have a configuration problem somewhere.
Not quite a radio station production studio, but good enough?
Have you actually ever used an audio app over VNC on a local network?
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Yes, you anonymous coward
Audio editing in real time over VNC.
You slashdot posters crack me up.
Obviously you understand neither the sumitter's need nor VNC. Realtime is not a problem on a private network.
You unintelligent snobs crack me up.
Not sure what kind of old, retired computers you've been using, but the majority of them are warm and noisy, which is what the poster is trying to avoid.
You guys have a good point, but a CD- or floppy-booting HD-less Pentium could reliably operate with no fans and no noise and very little added heat.
The flexibility alone would be worth the few minutes it takes to mod the machine, IMHO.