Why don't you read what someone at Level 3 has to say about the issue?
"Level 3 has 51 peers that are interconnected in 45 cities through over 1,360 10 Gigabit Ethernet ports"
"The average utilization across all those interconnected ports is 36 percent."
"A port that is on average utilised at 90 percent will be saturated, dropping packets, for several hours a day. We have congested ports saturated to those levels with 12 of our 51 peers. Six of those 12 have a single congested port, and we are both (Level 3 and our peer) in the process of making upgrades – this is business as usual and happens occasionally as traffic swings around the Internet as customers change providers."
"the remaining six peers with congestion on almost all of the interconnect ports between us. Congestion that is permanent, has been in place for well over a year and where our peer refuses to augment capacity. They are deliberately harming the service they deliver to their paying customers. They are not allowing us to fulfil the requests their customers make for content."
"Five of those congested peers are in the United States and one is in Europe."
Five major US ISP's all deliberately refusing to upgrade their interconnect. How many "major" ISP's do you know of in the US?
I recently saw a distraught young blonde lady weeping beside her car. "Do you need some help?" I asked.
She replied, "I knew I should have replaced the battery in this remote door unlocker. Now I can't get into my car. Do you think they (pointing to a distant convenience store) would have a battery for this?"
"Hmmm, I dunno. Do you have an alarm, too?" I asked.
"No, just this remote 'thingy,'" she answered, handing it and the car keys to me.
As I took the key and manually unlocked the door, I replied, "Why don't you drive over there and check about the batteries...it's a long walk."
They are footing the bill for the CDN themselves. What part of "it saves the ISP money to host the CDN" does not register? If other CDN services are paying then perhaps they are getting hoodwinked by the ISP's as well. I know AT&T (not the current rebranded SWB) tried to play this game in the 90's and got their hand slapped and a regulation forcing them to allow smaller ISP's access to their data farm.
Netflix has its own CDN! They are a large enough streaming provider it made sense to create their own CDN and they even made it open for other services. They're already peering on Google fiber and a host of non-US ISP's. It's only the big US ISP's that are refusing to play ball and insist Netflix pay extra for a service that would actually save them money in peering fees. Their only reason for doing this is to make their competing streaming offering more desirable.
ISP's have offered co-location to corporations for years. It's just now that a corporation (Netflix) is competing with another service the ISP in question sells they tell them no and jack up the price of entry. DRM would be on Netflix's server inside of the ISP's data farm just as secure as if it was in their own.
No? It's exactly the reverse. This takes *HUGE* amounts of energy.
Electricity is one form of energy used to power desalinization but certainly not the only form. But you are correct in that the use of electricity to desalinate is not very efficient. A focused solar lens array much like the ones used in solar electric production would be more efficient AND the resulting steam could actually be used to produce electricity as a byproduct. Not enough to be considered an electric generation facility but something is better than nothing.
If both your parents are morons then the likelihood of you receiving good fetal development, nutrition, and education are slim to none. There are exceptions but the reason they are called exceptions is they are RARE! That said growing up extended family would frequently commented on how much I was like my grandfather (he died when I was an infant) because I had his smarts (He taught himself chemical engineering and was part of the development of polymers). My take on our society is today's typical highly intelligent couple are too self absorbed to embark on a life of selfless giving by having children. Of those that do have children a large percentage offload the actual parenting to paid support so they can continue to be self absorbed while patting themselves on the back for having pro-created. Having said all that I believe a child raised by morons that love the child has a far superior life to a child raised by intellectuals or affluent parents who see the child as a trophy or burden.
So Netflix says, "Why are we paying all this money to a company that doesn't even really want our traffic?" and so they go talk to Comcast directly about connecting directly to the Comcast network. They work out a deal, and now they don't need to pay as much to InterCo because it's only running traffic for non-Comcast customers, and they are able to give Comcast customers a much better, more controlled experience.
Except Netflix proposed this scenario to Comcast and they refused. Then Comcast started throttling and Netflix was forced to agree to whatever the secret terms of this deal are.
Who is losing out on this deal?
Seriously? We don't know the terms so there could be any number of losers. What if part of the agreement forces Netflix to throttle its own feeds to non-Comcast customers or prevents them from coming to similar arrangements with other ISP's? Ultimately the cost will be passed to customers or Netflix will have to reduce their licensed library to cover the expense.
Except your analogy is wrong. And it's why most people don't understand Net Neutrality. Netflix's packets don't weigh any more than Crackle's or Hulu's. There is a reason for charging different rates for the things you mention and none of them apply to this scenario. Netflix pays an ISP to get on the internet just like everybody else. They pay for every bit of bandwidth they use. You pay your ISP for your bandwidth. You choose to utilize your bandwidth by streaming a video from Netflix. Netflix streams the video via its ISP's internet connection and Netflix's ISP transfers the packets to your ISP (in our example Comcast) where your ISP checks the packet and determines it is from Netflix. Having discovered it is in fact from Netflix it routes the traffic on a slow boat to you via a Chinese interconnect. There is no congestion at the moment Comcast is just exercising their right of non neutrality. Comcast approaches Netflix and tells them "You wouldn't want something bad to happen to your packets now would you? We can protect your packets from harm on our network if you just pay the protection fee." Netflix resists but finally caves and pays the fee. All of the sudden your video flies faster than you've ever seen it before but Comcast hasn't upgraded anything on their network. It didn't cost Comcast anything to make it work but they got paid extra not to mess with traffic that should have been unimpeded.
Actually business class does have certain guarantees. But consumer class you are absolutely right. Most ISP's oversell what they can accommodate and hope you all never log on at the same time. Since statistically less than 10% ever use the total bandwidth they are allotted it works out most of the time. And when it doesn't those 10% get booted to keep the 90% happy.
1. I rent a post office box.
2. I pay Amazon to ship me products to that PO box
3. The USPO sees the package is from Amazon and delays the package because Amazon paid the same amount WalMart does but Amazon sends more packages than WalMart so the USPO wants a piece of that action
FTFY
Are you sure you aren't related to badanalogyguy?
Why should that cost anything as long as the traffic is to Comcast customers?
You get data from Comcast at speeds determined by your plan. The problem was at the other end, Netflix was trying to use more bandwidth than they were paying for.
If I am using a pipe than can only accommodate 30 GPM (gallons per minute) flow rate I am not going to get 40 GPM through that pipe without busting the pipe. Likewise Comcast provided a certain amount of bandwidth to Netflix which Netflix is incapable of exceeding. Comcast however was actively slowing down the traffic coming from Netflix to extort higher fees than were originally negotiated because Comcast knows Netflix will pay up or get replaced by a faster competitor.
I use TurboTax every year and have never been disappointed. One year I decided to try HR Block since they are stalwarts in the tax filing industry (Why does tax filing need an industry?) and I was mortified at the lack of professionalism from their online and support staff. They cost me extra money and wouldn't assist me in correcting the error they caused. The tax "professional" assisting me couldn't even understand the simple concept of adult dependent attending college which I'm pretty sure is a common deduction. Their 2014 ad campaign (Get your billion back) infuriates me.
Thing is her distrust goes well beyond a reasonable suspicion. Yeah, the industry makes mistakes and has issues, but she goes to the other extreme and distrusts everything to the point of irrationality.
As someone who works at the company that is the largest generator of wind and solar power in North America I know how hard it is to get Nuclear projects off the ground. Most people will agree that Nuclear is a very cost effective and efficient means of power generations but mention building it anywhere near their zip code and they go ballistic.
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Why don't you read what someone at Level 3 has to say about the issue?
"Level 3 has 51 peers that are interconnected in 45 cities through over 1,360 10 Gigabit Ethernet ports"
"The average utilization across all those interconnected ports is 36 percent."
"A port that is on average utilised at 90 percent will be saturated, dropping packets, for several hours a day. We have congested ports saturated to those levels with 12 of our 51 peers. Six of those 12 have a single congested port, and we are both (Level 3 and our peer) in the process of making upgrades – this is business as usual and happens occasionally as traffic swings around the Internet as customers change providers."
"the remaining six peers with congestion on almost all of the interconnect ports between us. Congestion that is permanent, has been in place for well over a year and where our peer refuses to augment capacity. They are deliberately harming the service they deliver to their paying customers. They are not allowing us to fulfil the requests their customers make for content."
"Five of those congested peers are in the United States and one is in Europe."
Five major US ISP's all deliberately refusing to upgrade their interconnect. How many "major" ISP's do you know of in the US?
I recently saw a distraught young blonde lady weeping beside her car. "Do you need some help?" I asked.
She replied, "I knew I should have replaced the battery in this remote door unlocker. Now I can't get into my car. Do you think they (pointing to a distant convenience store) would have a battery for this?"
"Hmmm, I dunno. Do you have an alarm, too?" I asked.
"No, just this remote 'thingy,'" she answered, handing it and the car keys to me.
As I took the key and manually unlocked the door, I replied, "Why don't you drive over there and check about the batteries...it's a long walk."
They are footing the bill for the CDN themselves. What part of "it saves the ISP money to host the CDN" does not register? If other CDN services are paying then perhaps they are getting hoodwinked by the ISP's as well. I know AT&T (not the current rebranded SWB) tried to play this game in the 90's and got their hand slapped and a regulation forcing them to allow smaller ISP's access to their data farm.
Netflix has its own CDN! They are a large enough streaming provider it made sense to create their own CDN and they even made it open for other services. They're already peering on Google fiber and a host of non-US ISP's. It's only the big US ISP's that are refusing to play ball and insist Netflix pay extra for a service that would actually save them money in peering fees. Their only reason for doing this is to make their competing streaming offering more desirable.
ISP's have offered co-location to corporations for years. It's just now that a corporation (Netflix) is competing with another service the ISP in question sells they tell them no and jack up the price of entry. DRM would be on Netflix's server inside of the ISP's data farm just as secure as if it was in their own.
No? It's exactly the reverse. This takes *HUGE* amounts of energy.
Electricity is one form of energy used to power desalinization but certainly not the only form. But you are correct in that the use of electricity to desalinate is not very efficient. A focused solar lens array much like the ones used in solar electric production would be more efficient AND the resulting steam could actually be used to produce electricity as a byproduct. Not enough to be considered an electric generation facility but something is better than nothing.
You took my ball!
No we didn't.
Yes you did!
No we didn't.
MOM!!!
The Mazda RX8 got up to 23 MPG.
As soon as this compile of Gentoo I started in 2010 finishes I'll tell you whether I have 'fond' memories of the experience.
BASIC does probably teach some bad programming habits
You're telling me. I nearly failed the first semester of my C++ course in college because I couldn't stop using GoTo!
Not to be a Tamarian grammer nazi but it's "Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra"
You scratch our back (send your lobbyist to fight for the merger) and we'll scratch yours (sell you areas you don't currently server.)
That was for an AC band WiFi? The AC1750 is listed at Newegg for $95 right now
But there are whole animals referred to as Aberdeen Angus
If both your parents are morons then the likelihood of you receiving good fetal development, nutrition, and education are slim to none. There are exceptions but the reason they are called exceptions is they are RARE! That said growing up extended family would frequently commented on how much I was like my grandfather (he died when I was an infant) because I had his smarts (He taught himself chemical engineering and was part of the development of polymers). My take on our society is today's typical highly intelligent couple are too self absorbed to embark on a life of selfless giving by having children. Of those that do have children a large percentage offload the actual parenting to paid support so they can continue to be self absorbed while patting themselves on the back for having pro-created. Having said all that I believe a child raised by morons that love the child has a far superior life to a child raised by intellectuals or affluent parents who see the child as a trophy or burden.
As long as you teach them proper Engrish.
So Netflix says, "Why are we paying all this money to a company that doesn't even really want our traffic?" and so they go talk to Comcast directly about connecting directly to the Comcast network. They work out a deal, and now they don't need to pay as much to InterCo because it's only running traffic for non-Comcast customers, and they are able to give Comcast customers a much better, more controlled experience.
Except Netflix proposed this scenario to Comcast and they refused. Then Comcast started throttling and Netflix was forced to agree to whatever the secret terms of this deal are.
Who is losing out on this deal?
Seriously? We don't know the terms so there could be any number of losers. What if part of the agreement forces Netflix to throttle its own feeds to non-Comcast customers or prevents them from coming to similar arrangements with other ISP's? Ultimately the cost will be passed to customers or Netflix will have to reduce their licensed library to cover the expense.
Except your analogy is wrong. And it's why most people don't understand Net Neutrality. Netflix's packets don't weigh any more than Crackle's or Hulu's. There is a reason for charging different rates for the things you mention and none of them apply to this scenario. Netflix pays an ISP to get on the internet just like everybody else. They pay for every bit of bandwidth they use. You pay your ISP for your bandwidth. You choose to utilize your bandwidth by streaming a video from Netflix. Netflix streams the video via its ISP's internet connection and Netflix's ISP transfers the packets to your ISP (in our example Comcast) where your ISP checks the packet and determines it is from Netflix. Having discovered it is in fact from Netflix it routes the traffic on a slow boat to you via a Chinese interconnect. There is no congestion at the moment Comcast is just exercising their right of non neutrality. Comcast approaches Netflix and tells them "You wouldn't want something bad to happen to your packets now would you? We can protect your packets from harm on our network if you just pay the protection fee." Netflix resists but finally caves and pays the fee. All of the sudden your video flies faster than you've ever seen it before but Comcast hasn't upgraded anything on their network. It didn't cost Comcast anything to make it work but they got paid extra not to mess with traffic that should have been unimpeded.
Actually business class does have certain guarantees. But consumer class you are absolutely right. Most ISP's oversell what they can accommodate and hope you all never log on at the same time. Since statistically less than 10% ever use the total bandwidth they are allotted it works out most of the time. And when it doesn't those 10% get booted to keep the 90% happy.
1. I rent a post office box.
2. I pay Amazon to ship me products to that PO box
3. The USPO sees the package is from Amazon and delays the package because Amazon paid the same amount WalMart does but Amazon sends more packages than WalMart so the USPO wants a piece of that action
FTFY
Are you sure you aren't related to badanalogyguy?
Why should that cost anything as long as the traffic is to Comcast customers?
You get data from Comcast at speeds determined by your plan. The problem was at the other end, Netflix was trying to use more bandwidth than they were paying for.
If I am using a pipe than can only accommodate 30 GPM (gallons per minute) flow rate I am not going to get 40 GPM through that pipe without busting the pipe. Likewise Comcast provided a certain amount of bandwidth to Netflix which Netflix is incapable of exceeding. Comcast however was actively slowing down the traffic coming from Netflix to extort higher fees than were originally negotiated because Comcast knows Netflix will pay up or get replaced by a faster competitor.
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I PAY my taxes with Bitcoins OBVIOUSLY!
How do you do your taxes?
I use TurboTax every year and have never been disappointed. One year I decided to try HR Block since they are stalwarts in the tax filing industry (Why does tax filing need an industry?) and I was mortified at the lack of professionalism from their online and support staff. They cost me extra money and wouldn't assist me in correcting the error they caused. The tax "professional" assisting me couldn't even understand the simple concept of adult dependent attending college which I'm pretty sure is a common deduction. Their 2014 ad campaign (Get your billion back) infuriates me.
Thing is her distrust goes well beyond a reasonable suspicion. Yeah, the industry makes mistakes and has issues, but she goes to the other extreme and distrusts everything to the point of irrationality.
Are you sure?
As someone who works at the company that is the largest generator of wind and solar power in North America I know how hard it is to get Nuclear projects off the ground. Most people will agree that Nuclear is a very cost effective and efficient means of power generations but mention building it anywhere near their zip code and they go ballistic.
Never has "You must be new here" felt more appropriate.