Allowing actions like this, even in the spirit of whistleblowing, would severely undermine the necessary order and discipline an effective military needs. It is certainly not the business of a private to determine what type of classified information should or should not be distributed.
"I was just following orders"? No, US military are trained in their responsibility to refuse unlawful orders.
Manning failed to demonstrate integrity by releasing the data without first reporting that he believed the classification orders to be unlawful, but if they were in fact unlawful then he was supposed to ignore them.
Has it ever been explicitly established whether or not Manning (or other members of his company/platoon) attempted to seek advice from higher ups? Having served in the military myself, I can tell you that when you get a rotten chain of command, the damn thing is rotten from bottom to top. It may be that other members attempted to report what they'd seen and had been "stifled", either by military means (all of the shitty jobs, no sleep, limited rations, whatever - makes someone not have so much energy for fighting the status quo) or simply "disappeared".
Not saying that's what happened - I'm just saying that I'm seeing a lot of claims that Manning didn't seek an alternative process and I haven't seen any indication that that was the case. There comes a point where if all of the fruit you reach for is rotten, you start reaching in a different direction.
Again, not saying he's right, but we don't know all of the facts and we certainly don't understand the circumstances. Furthermore, the behavior of our military (or some small portions of it, at any rate) for the last few years has been intolerable...it seems we can't go a month without hearing about some solder murdering or raping someone...and that's just what we hear about. At the very least what Manning did was illustrate to the world the sorts of things that happen that we did not previously know about. That doesn't make him a hero, but I'm glad he did what he did.
I like this idea. The candidates get bussed from town to town over the course of a couple of weeks. People throw rocks at the candidates that they don't like. Whoever survives the trip, is elected!
I like this idea. The candidates get bussed from town to town over the course of a couple of weeks. People throw rocks at the candidates that they don't like. Whoever survives the trip, is elected!
Weed, of course. Not only is it the cheapest and easiest to acquire, but it's obviously fast acting and effective considering the reported accounts of overdose.
/sarcasm
I expect they'll release spyware into the wild so that they can track it to the nefarious types that use it.
They'll figure out where it went when someone dies. That's how this shit works, isn't it?
I agree with your sentiment, but this here ^ - yeah, bank CEOs and politicians ARE educated in ethics, kind of a requirement for all of the education that they need. Has that made their respective industries more ethical, do you think?
I'm sure there have been polls taken in various places, but I doubt any of them have been conducted by the MAFIAA. They don't view any piracy as legitimate and don't want to engage pirates in discussion since they feel that would legitimize the pirates. They have been very clear on their stance of piracy and aren't interested in compromise, unless all of the compromising is done by the pirates.
Plenty. I've personally left and come back to Linux at least 7 or 8 times, and it's *usually* the driver support that sends me back to Windows. That and crappy multi-monitor support...Linux is just plain awful for that.
Why does everyone seem to assume that "regulation" or even "good regulation" means a damn thing? Is nobody looking at the rest of the worlds' economic situation?
Now, I'll grant you that novice code monkeys shouldn't be building the equivalent of a bank - but seriously, the only real difference between this and a "real" bank is that it doesn't have Federal backing. Anonymity will go straight out the window as soon as they do (thereby eliminating one of the bigger benefits of BC), so what are you left with? The same fucking thing we're left with in the "real world": Trust someone with your money because nobody takes "cash" anymore and hope like hell that they don't fuck it up. If they do fuck up, then you hope that they'll be willing to make it "right".
Dumping Bitcoin isn't the answer - resolving the problems with Bitcoin is.
I have, plenty of times. Not with something "this big", of course, but there have been times where I was sexually harassed at work that I "let go" because I didn't feel like dealing with the bullshit involved. I've accepted (and paid) speeding tickets that I could have fought (and won), but didn't feel the investment of my time was worthwhile (face it - if your options are spend $300 to travel to the city to pay the ticket and the ticket is only $100, even if my insurance goes up it's easier to just pay and keep my "free time" then it is to dispute the charges).
I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Now, this isn't to say he's innocent...but AFAIC until he's proven guilty, he should be considered so.
That sounds to me like a problem that does not belong to Lance. Until they have actual PROOF, AFAIC he's innocent. Wait...innocent until *proven* guilty? Holy shit! That's so simple it just might work!!!
Well, then you criminalize the actual CRIME - driving while impaired. You can't criminalize behavior that's not criminal. It's like saying you can't buy a car because it *might* be used in the commission of a crime.
There are thousands of things that are already illegal that pretty much cover the bases - everything from reckless driving to child safety...these laws are perfectly capable of punishing real criminals instead of filling our prisons with responsible users.
Not everyone is motivated exclusively by money. Especially in this age of "online activism", I suspect that at some point someone will be motivated by fame, or (as many posting here at./) the idea that "people need to be smarter"...eventually someone will produce some malicious code that *will* do irreparable damage to the systems that are compromised. When that day comes people will - as in nature - be forced to adapt or fail.
Nope, but if you can't accept the inhabitants for what they are: Learning, evolving creatures, then your best bet is to GTFO
Besides, if God wants to claim the planet, let him...until there's some evidence that it belongs to *anyone*, I'm afraid that it just "exists"...
Man, all these AC's, who do I reply to?
If the devs can't be trouble to "waste their time" making their product appeal to the masses, they've got no right to bitch about the masses not adopting their software.
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Allowing actions like this, even in the spirit of whistleblowing, would severely undermine the necessary order and discipline an effective military needs. It is certainly not the business of a private to determine what type of classified information should or should not be distributed.
"I was just following orders"? No, US military are trained in their responsibility to refuse unlawful orders.
Manning failed to demonstrate integrity by releasing the data without first reporting that he believed the classification orders to be unlawful, but if they were in fact unlawful then he was supposed to ignore them.
Has it ever been explicitly established whether or not Manning (or other members of his company/platoon) attempted to seek advice from higher ups? Having served in the military myself, I can tell you that when you get a rotten chain of command, the damn thing is rotten from bottom to top. It may be that other members attempted to report what they'd seen and had been "stifled", either by military means (all of the shitty jobs, no sleep, limited rations, whatever - makes someone not have so much energy for fighting the status quo) or simply "disappeared".
Not saying that's what happened - I'm just saying that I'm seeing a lot of claims that Manning didn't seek an alternative process and I haven't seen any indication that that was the case. There comes a point where if all of the fruit you reach for is rotten, you start reaching in a different direction.
Again, not saying he's right, but we don't know all of the facts and we certainly don't understand the circumstances. Furthermore, the behavior of our military (or some small portions of it, at any rate) for the last few years has been intolerable...it seems we can't go a month without hearing about some solder murdering or raping someone...and that's just what we hear about. At the very least what Manning did was illustrate to the world the sorts of things that happen that we did not previously know about. That doesn't make him a hero, but I'm glad he did what he did.
I like this idea. The candidates get bussed from town to town over the course of a couple of weeks. People throw rocks at the candidates that they don't like. Whoever survives the trip, is elected!
We already know neither of them would survive.
I fail to see a problem :D
I like this idea. The candidates get bussed from town to town over the course of a couple of weeks. People throw rocks at the candidates that they don't like. Whoever survives the trip, is elected!
What drug would they prescribe?
Weed, of course. Not only is it the cheapest and easiest to acquire, but it's obviously fast acting and effective considering the reported accounts of overdose.
/sarcasm
I expect they'll release spyware into the wild so that they can track it to the nefarious types that use it. They'll figure out where it went when someone dies. That's how this shit works, isn't it?
I think I used to work there.
Anonymous members aren't educated in ethics.
I agree with your sentiment, but this here ^ - yeah, bank CEOs and politicians ARE educated in ethics, kind of a requirement for all of the education that they need. Has that made their respective industries more ethical, do you think?
Not having anything worthwhile to say seldom prevents /.ers from saying it anyway.
Oh, for some mod points. I work at a company right now that's going through this process...what a complete clusterfuck.
I'm sure there have been polls taken in various places, but I doubt any of them have been conducted by the MAFIAA. They don't view any piracy as legitimate and don't want to engage pirates in discussion since they feel that would legitimize the pirates. They have been very clear on their stance of piracy and aren't interested in compromise, unless all of the compromising is done by the pirates.
Plenty. I've personally left and come back to Linux at least 7 or 8 times, and it's *usually* the driver support that sends me back to Windows. That and crappy multi-monitor support...Linux is just plain awful for that.
You called in sick that day.
Why does everyone seem to assume that "regulation" or even "good regulation" means a damn thing? Is nobody looking at the rest of the worlds' economic situation? Now, I'll grant you that novice code monkeys shouldn't be building the equivalent of a bank - but seriously, the only real difference between this and a "real" bank is that it doesn't have Federal backing. Anonymity will go straight out the window as soon as they do (thereby eliminating one of the bigger benefits of BC), so what are you left with? The same fucking thing we're left with in the "real world": Trust someone with your money because nobody takes "cash" anymore and hope like hell that they don't fuck it up. If they do fuck up, then you hope that they'll be willing to make it "right". Dumping Bitcoin isn't the answer - resolving the problems with Bitcoin is.
Sorry to reply to my own post - I meant "travel to another city to fight the ticket"...it's Friday - cut me some slack :p
I have, plenty of times. Not with something "this big", of course, but there have been times where I was sexually harassed at work that I "let go" because I didn't feel like dealing with the bullshit involved. I've accepted (and paid) speeding tickets that I could have fought (and won), but didn't feel the investment of my time was worthwhile (face it - if your options are spend $300 to travel to the city to pay the ticket and the ticket is only $100, even if my insurance goes up it's easier to just pay and keep my "free time" then it is to dispute the charges). I'm sure I'm not the only one. Now, this isn't to say he's innocent...but AFAIC until he's proven guilty, he should be considered so.
That sounds to me like a problem that does not belong to Lance. Until they have actual PROOF, AFAIC he's innocent. Wait...innocent until *proven* guilty? Holy shit! That's so simple it just might work!!!
Well, then you criminalize the actual CRIME - driving while impaired. You can't criminalize behavior that's not criminal. It's like saying you can't buy a car because it *might* be used in the commission of a crime. There are thousands of things that are already illegal that pretty much cover the bases - everything from reckless driving to child safety...these laws are perfectly capable of punishing real criminals instead of filling our prisons with responsible users.
Wish I had mod points...this is exactly right.
Not everyone is motivated exclusively by money. Especially in this age of "online activism", I suspect that at some point someone will be motivated by fame, or (as many posting here at ./) the idea that "people need to be smarter"...eventually someone will produce some malicious code that *will* do irreparable damage to the systems that are compromised. When that day comes people will - as in nature - be forced to adapt or fail.
Nope, but if you can't accept the inhabitants for what they are: Learning, evolving creatures, then your best bet is to GTFO Besides, if God wants to claim the planet, let him...until there's some evidence that it belongs to *anyone*, I'm afraid that it just "exists"...
If only they'd get themselves their own planet...then the rest of us can relax a bit and advance as a society without all of the dead weight...
Interesting...10 years in Vegas taught me the opposite...
Man, all these AC's, who do I reply to? If the devs can't be trouble to "waste their time" making their product appeal to the masses, they've got no right to bitch about the masses not adopting their software.
Vive la revolution!!!!
Uh....you first...