So, is the government going to go after the "anonymous" officials who spoke about the case without authorization? That, plus the sealed complaints make these charges against Snowden rather ironic.
From how I'm understanding this ruling, apparently just answering the question, "what's your name" before the cops have officially detained you and read you your rights, is enough to destroy your 5th Amendment protections. So no, it's not "harmless". Of course, in some jurisdictions, it's also illegal to refuse to provide them with either your name, or some form of ID. So, as other posters have said, to protect yourself you're basically forced to reduce all interactions with law enforcment to name, and "I will say nothing and consent to no searches, I would like to speak to my lawyer" followed by shutting up.
Exactly this. Sure, it seems like Ellison is being a good and benign despot/feudal lord/oligarch, but there are tons of reasons why humanity has been moving away from "one guy makes all the rules" forms of government. Mr. Ellison's (current) benevolence towards his subjects doesn't change that one bit. I couldn't help but notice that the article doesn't make any mention of his employees (or should that be subjects?) being allowed to own the houses they reside in, the shops they work in, or the land they live on...
Wacraft radically changed between the first expansion and the current one. Gameplay is very different from what it once was. Imagine football fans being told that the rules of the game are going to be completely re-written so that it plays more like soccer, that watching the now "old-school" football they loved is now impossible, and that if they have a problem with that, they can go watch baseball or hockey instead. Of course they're going to rage.
I'm a long-time Warcraft and Blizzard fan, and I don't recall the classic Wacraft Pandaren being bouncy food-lovers. Yet those attributes were given to them when they were included in World of Warcraft, well after the release of a certain film containing an anthropomorphized panada who was an elastic glutton.
You left out the need for some decent metalworking skills. What's special about the 3D printed gun is that anyone who's computer-literate can download the specs and hit "print".
Because it gives the big companies that own Congress a competitive advantage against smaller players that might threaten their oligopoly. A new startup can't afford to hide its income overseas, and thus is less of a threat to Apple and the other established players in the market.
I really liked it as a simple, straightforward browser I could customize. But Firefox keeps putting more and more effort into trying to Chrome, and adding bells and whistles and tweaking the interface. I got tired of needing to put things back the way I liked them everytime an update took them away or broke them. If I wanted to use Chrome, I'd use Chrome.
Maybe if the next version is Firefox 122, that will make me like it again.
Bingo. I know the mainstream media is useless, but on places like slashdot, it would be nice if people would stop pretending that congresscritters are anything but sock-puppets for their corporate owners.
Not quite. Demonoid had a ton of ancient and obscure movies, tv shows, and books, many of which were obtainable literally no where else. Kat.ph appears to be a nice torrent site, but it's far more focused on popular stuff than demonoid was.
Not a particular fan of Mr. Card, but I'm genuinely curious - for all the people trying to split hairs and convince us that Card is a reprehensible human being, and his writing deserves no attention from anybody, etc. etc. Where do you draw the line?
I draw the line at me giving Mr. Card money. If I'm aware of someone else intending to give him money (something that happened pretty rarely before hype for the film started to get rolling), I do tell them that he's supported some very homophobic positions and that they might want to do a little googling before they give him their money.
Are you totally fine with the public schools using Ender's Game in a classroom setting?
Totally fine? No. The idea makes me twitch a little, but I'm not going to throw a fit over it. I'd likely send a copy of the same letter I give to bookstores and public libraries, making sure they realize how actively bigoted Mr. Card is. (Now that you mention it, I should probably do that for all my local public school libraries.)
How about including it on a suggested reading list?
I wouldn't include it on a list I put together, because I really don't want to see a whole classroom's worth of students buying his book. It does have a place on, say, a history of military scifi or a list of Hugo and Nebula winners, but on any such list in the immediate future I would include a disclaimer suggesting prospective readers borrow a copy rather than purchase it outright, with a footnote as to why. (Bigotry aside, it's probably better, both in terms of writing, content, and sub-text, than a great deal of the other mil-scifi out there. I would recommend something by the far superior Lois McMaster Bujold instead, though. Maybe Ethan of Athos?:-))
Is it okay to have his books in the school library, where any student can find it?
Yeah. It wouldn't be my first choice to purchase, were I a school librarian, but again, not something I'm going to pitch a fit over. A book that's on the shelf has been bought and paid for. I certainly wouldn't advocate the library turn away a donated copy of Ender's Game. I would suggest than there are probably better books to spend money and shelf-space on than Mr. Card's work after Speaker for the Dead.
What will your response be the day your child comes home with one of Card's books, having borrowed it from a friend?
That it's time for the speech about the difference between authors and their work, assuming I haven't given it already. If it's not one of the better (aka. earlier) ones, I might also suggest they read Ender's Game instead. If I have already given the speech, I'd hold up Mr. Card as a case in point, and then commend my child for being smart enough to not give the bigot more money to spread hate with. After they've read it, talk about what they got out of it and what else might be in there, which is SOP for any book they read.
If supporting him supports hate speech, will you begin boycotting retail stores that sell his work?
Stores that sell his work get a polite letter and email explaining my position, as did my local library. (I don't know if I can take any credit, but they appear to have stopped ordering his newer work - they've got nothing after Ender's Shadow.) Ultimately, I'm boycotting OSC, not just anyone who carries his work. I also put business cards pointing out Mr. Card's political positions along with hyperlinks to some of the things he's said into his books when I see them on the shelf.
After all, we keep hearing the term hate speech bandied about... hate speech has been criminalized in many situations, and we keep hearing that "hate speech can't go unchallenged" - so where do you draw the line, if you're not advocating censorship?
As I said above, he'll get no money from me, and I try t
Refusing to personally fund hated and bigotry is not discrimination, just like firing someone because they wear swastikas and regularly rant about exterminating untermensch is not discrimination.
'Tolerance' for intolerance is not a type of tolerance. Sorry. Tolerance does not require hate speech to go unchallenged. And nobody is saying he doesn't have a right to speak his mind. What we are saying is that he is a hateful bigot and we are going to boycott (not censor) his works.
Well put. I have yet to see a single post here advocating censorship or Mr. Card or any of his works.
Mr. Card has a long and well-established history of homophobia and attacking gay rights. He's been a board member of the anti-gay marriage National Organization for Marriage for years, and has written far more than, "one article for a Mormon audience". Here are some examples, more can easily be found with a quick google search.
"I find the comparison between civil rights based on race and supposed new rights being granted for what amounts to deviant behavior to be really kind of ridiculous. There is no comparison. A black as a person does not by being black harm anyone. Gay rights is a collective delusion that’s being attempted. And the idea of ‘gay marriage’ — it’s hard to find a ridiculous enough comparison." Interview with Salon
From his article for the Deseret News, "The first and greatest threat from court decisions in California and Massachusetts, giving legal recognition to "gay marriage," is that it marks the end of democracy in America." That's not directed at a Mormon audience, it's a local paper.
From People For the American Way, "Laws against homosexual behavior should remain on the booksto be used when necessary to send a clear message that those who flagrantly violate society's regulation of sexual behavior cannot be permitted to remain as acceptable, equal citizens."
Mr. Card isn't some historical figure - he's writing now, in the present, including stuff that is in my opinion, straight-up hate speech. The reason this comes up is because of how outspoken he is about his opposition to homosexuality and gay rights. You can bet that if Steve Jobs was a leading figure in the neo-nazi movement, it would affect whether people bought Apple products.
Card has some gay characters in his work and they're portrayed sympathetically (or, at least as much as any other of his characters), so the "anti-gay hate speech" can't be referring to his art.
The gay man in Homecoming who has to get married "for the good of society" is portrayed sympathetically? The later Ender books, where he goes on at John Normanesque lengths about how great hetero sex is? His depiction of homosexuality as pedophila in Songmaster?
So it must refer to statements he's made on his personal blog, etc.
If this is the case, I can only reconstruct your reasoning thus (please feel free to let me know if I'm missing your point): 1) Card says things I consider reprehensible; 2) Giving him money supports his ability to say reprehensible things; 3) Therefore, if I pay for his work, I am implicated in the reprehensible things he does.
[snipping long reductio ad absurdum]
Yes, you are missing the point. His blog (and other writings) contain offensive hate speech. Card is a prominent author, who gets attention and a 'bully pulpit' because of the success of his works and who uses the profits from those works to publicize and otherwise support his reprehensible views. The ACs who responded to you have done a very good job of pointing out what's wrong with your reasoning; I agree with them.
In short, there's a difference between going to a theater where one of the owners quietly donates some of his profits to the KKK (still not the act of a decent human being, imnsho), versus patronizing a theater that has an "Aryans Only" sign out front. Mr. Card is not just supporting causes which I think are vile, he is openly and publicly funding and advocating for them.
That's not the climax. The climax is when Ender realizes what he's actually done. Since it's a morally complex point, I have little doubt that part will be cut from the film.
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So, is the government going to go after the "anonymous" officials who spoke about the case without authorization? That, plus the sealed complaints make these charges against Snowden rather ironic.
In jurisdictions where you must identify yourself when asked to do so by law enforcement, pretty damn difficult.
From how I'm understanding this ruling, apparently just answering the question, "what's your name" before the cops have officially detained you and read you your rights, is enough to destroy your 5th Amendment protections. So no, it's not "harmless". Of course, in some jurisdictions, it's also illegal to refuse to provide them with either your name, or some form of ID. So, as other posters have said, to protect yourself you're basically forced to reduce all interactions with law enforcment to name, and "I will say nothing and consent to no searches, I would like to speak to my lawyer" followed by shutting up.
Exactly this. Sure, it seems like Ellison is being a good and benign despot/feudal lord/oligarch, but there are tons of reasons why humanity has been moving away from "one guy makes all the rules" forms of government. Mr. Ellison's (current) benevolence towards his subjects doesn't change that one bit. I couldn't help but notice that the article doesn't make any mention of his employees (or should that be subjects?) being allowed to own the houses they reside in, the shops they work in, or the land they live on...
Ubiquitous surveillance is fine, as long as the elite are exempt. Obviously, some animals are more equal than other animals.
Wacraft radically changed between the first expansion and the current one. Gameplay is very different from what it once was. Imagine football fans being told that the rules of the game are going to be completely re-written so that it plays more like soccer, that watching the now "old-school" football they loved is now impossible, and that if they have a problem with that, they can go watch baseball or hockey instead. Of course they're going to rage.
I'm a long-time Warcraft and Blizzard fan, and I don't recall the classic Wacraft Pandaren being bouncy food-lovers. Yet those attributes were given to them when they were included in World of Warcraft, well after the release of a certain film containing an anthropomorphized panada who was an elastic glutton.
You left out the need for some decent metalworking skills. What's special about the 3D printed gun is that anyone who's computer-literate can download the specs and hit "print".
Because it gives the big companies that own Congress a competitive advantage against smaller players that might threaten their oligopoly. A new startup can't afford to hide its income overseas, and thus is less of a threat to Apple and the other established players in the market.
I really liked it as a simple, straightforward browser I could customize. But Firefox keeps putting more and more effort into trying to Chrome, and adding bells and whistles and tweaking the interface. I got tired of needing to put things back the way I liked them everytime an update took them away or broke them. If I wanted to use Chrome, I'd use Chrome. Maybe if the next version is Firefox 122, that will make me like it again.
Bingo. I know the mainstream media is useless, but on places like slashdot, it would be nice if people would stop pretending that congresscritters are anything but sock-puppets for their corporate owners.
Don't give the powers that be ideas.
Not quite. Demonoid had a ton of ancient and obscure movies, tv shows, and books, many of which were obtainable literally no where else. Kat.ph appears to be a nice torrent site, but it's far more focused on popular stuff than demonoid was.
Not a particular fan of Mr. Card, but I'm genuinely curious - for all the people trying to split hairs and convince us that Card is a reprehensible human being, and his writing deserves no attention from anybody, etc. etc. Where do you draw the line?
I draw the line at me giving Mr. Card money. If I'm aware of someone else intending to give him money (something that happened pretty rarely before hype for the film started to get rolling), I do tell them that he's supported some very homophobic positions and that they might want to do a little googling before they give him their money.
Are you totally fine with the public schools using Ender's Game in a classroom setting?
Totally fine? No. The idea makes me twitch a little, but I'm not going to throw a fit over it. I'd likely send a copy of the same letter I give to bookstores and public libraries, making sure they realize how actively bigoted Mr. Card is. (Now that you mention it, I should probably do that for all my local public school libraries.)
How about including it on a suggested reading list?
I wouldn't include it on a list I put together, because I really don't want to see a whole classroom's worth of students buying his book. It does have a place on, say, a history of military scifi or a list of Hugo and Nebula winners, but on any such list in the immediate future I would include a disclaimer suggesting prospective readers borrow a copy rather than purchase it outright, with a footnote as to why. (Bigotry aside, it's probably better, both in terms of writing, content, and sub-text, than a great deal of the other mil-scifi out there. I would recommend something by the far superior Lois McMaster Bujold instead, though. Maybe Ethan of Athos? :-))
Is it okay to have his books in the school library, where any student can find it?
Yeah. It wouldn't be my first choice to purchase, were I a school librarian, but again, not something I'm going to pitch a fit over. A book that's on the shelf has been bought and paid for. I certainly wouldn't advocate the library turn away a donated copy of Ender's Game. I would suggest than there are probably better books to spend money and shelf-space on than Mr. Card's work after Speaker for the Dead.
What will your response be the day your child comes home with one of Card's books, having borrowed it from a friend?
That it's time for the speech about the difference between authors and their work, assuming I haven't given it already. If it's not one of the better (aka. earlier) ones, I might also suggest they read Ender's Game instead. If I have already given the speech, I'd hold up Mr. Card as a case in point, and then commend my child for being smart enough to not give the bigot more money to spread hate with. After they've read it, talk about what they got out of it and what else might be in there, which is SOP for any book they read.
If supporting him supports hate speech, will you begin boycotting retail stores that sell his work?
Stores that sell his work get a polite letter and email explaining my position, as did my local library. (I don't know if I can take any credit, but they appear to have stopped ordering his newer work - they've got nothing after Ender's Shadow.) Ultimately, I'm boycotting OSC, not just anyone who carries his work. I also put business cards pointing out Mr. Card's political positions along with hyperlinks to some of the things he's said into his books when I see them on the shelf.
After all, we keep hearing the term hate speech bandied about... hate speech has been criminalized in many situations, and we keep hearing that "hate speech can't go unchallenged" - so where do you draw the line, if you're not advocating censorship?
As I said above, he'll get no money from me, and I try t
Refusing to personally fund hated and bigotry is not discrimination, just like firing someone because they wear swastikas and regularly rant about exterminating untermensch is not discrimination.
'Tolerance' for intolerance is not a type of tolerance. Sorry. Tolerance does not require hate speech to go unchallenged. And nobody is saying he doesn't have a right to speak his mind. What we are saying is that he is a hateful bigot and we are going to boycott (not censor) his works.
Well put. I have yet to see a single post here advocating censorship or Mr. Card or any of his works.
Mr. Card has a long and well-established history of homophobia and attacking gay rights. He's been a board member of the anti-gay marriage National Organization for Marriage for years, and has written far more than, "one article for a Mormon audience". Here are some examples, more can easily be found with a quick google search.
"I find the comparison between civil rights based on race and supposed new rights being granted for what amounts to deviant behavior to be really kind of ridiculous. There is no comparison. A black as a person does not by being black harm anyone. Gay rights is a collective delusion that’s being attempted. And the idea of ‘gay marriage’ — it’s hard to find a ridiculous enough comparison." Interview with Salon
From his article for the Deseret News, "The first and greatest threat from court decisions in California and Massachusetts, giving legal recognition to "gay marriage," is that it marks the end of democracy in America." That's not directed at a Mormon audience, it's a local paper.
From People For the American Way, "Laws against homosexual behavior should remain on the booksto be used when necessary to send a clear message that those who flagrantly violate society's regulation of sexual behavior cannot be permitted to remain as acceptable, equal citizens."
Mr. Card isn't some historical figure - he's writing now, in the present, including stuff that is in my opinion, straight-up hate speech. The reason this comes up is because of how outspoken he is about his opposition to homosexuality and gay rights. You can bet that if Steve Jobs was a leading figure in the neo-nazi movement, it would affect whether people bought Apple products.
Card has some gay characters in his work and they're portrayed sympathetically (or, at least as much as any other of his characters), so the "anti-gay hate speech" can't be referring to his art.
The gay man in Homecoming who has to get married "for the good of society" is portrayed sympathetically? The later Ender books, where he goes on at John Normanesque lengths about how great hetero sex is? His depiction of homosexuality as pedophila in Songmaster?
So it must refer to statements he's made on his personal blog, etc.
If this is the case, I can only reconstruct your reasoning thus (please feel free to let me know if I'm missing your point): 1) Card says things I consider reprehensible; 2) Giving him money supports his ability to say reprehensible things; 3) Therefore, if I pay for his work, I am implicated in the reprehensible things he does.
[snipping long reductio ad absurdum] Yes, you are missing the point. His blog (and other writings) contain offensive hate speech. Card is a prominent author, who gets attention and a 'bully pulpit' because of the success of his works and who uses the profits from those works to publicize and otherwise support his reprehensible views. The ACs who responded to you have done a very good job of pointing out what's wrong with your reasoning; I agree with them. In short, there's a difference between going to a theater where one of the owners quietly donates some of his profits to the KKK (still not the act of a decent human being, imnsho), versus patronizing a theater that has an "Aryans Only" sign out front. Mr. Card is not just supporting causes which I think are vile, he is openly and publicly funding and advocating for them.
Card can speak his mind all he damn well wants. But I'm not going to fracking fund him.
Perhaps they were trying to invoke that sci-fi classic, Independence Day? :-D
That's not the climax. The climax is when Ender realizes what he's actually done. Since it's a morally complex point, I have little doubt that part will be cut from the film.
Exactly. It may be a fine movie, but I don't want any portion of my ticket price to be funding anti-gay hate speech, period.
While Apple is focused on frustrating people using iPads, Microsoft is working hard to bring a similar level of frustration to the PC and laptop markets!
I prefer the original. It has the added advantage of being already out. :-)
(I wouldn't say no to more quality HH though.)