If you increase the wages of those earning minimum wage you will find that the companies that employ them will tend to look for ways to get the job done with fewer employees. They're not just going to accept the increase in minimum wage and take a cut in their profit.
They are already doing that. so hows raising the minimum wage going to change this? companies already are trying to replace us with machines and workers from other countries to save money.
One of two things will happen:
# They will reduce their workforce. So those that remain will earn more, but you'll have more people unemployed. This will happen if they are in a market that doesn't allow them much room to increase their price due to competition.
# If they can, they will increase what they charge to their customers in order to cover the increase in minimum wage. In that case, the buck is passed to all of the economy, creating pressures on inflation. I need not explain the problems caused by inflation.
Would you rather luxury items cost more, or would you prefer to not even be able to pay your rent? Let the prices for things go up, I dont care, I'm trying to survive not worry about prices of things like computers, or a mc donalds hamburger, because if mc donalds raises the prices they'll simply be replaced by smaller more competitive companies.
That depends on what you define as "easy." If you mean that those that are educated and have a vast amount of technical experience but all they do is sit in the office and write programs and go to meetings while coal miners are stuck 250 feet under the ground, sure. No thats comparing the working class with the working class, programmers are no diffrent than coal miners, I'm talking about management, CEOS, those guys dont write programs, all they do is go to meetings and boss people around, and all it took for them to get where they are, is writing a business plan and knowing the right people in order to get capital. Its not hard work to be bill gates or even an upper level manager.
I agree many (not all) CEOs are paid too much. That said, you'd be surprised how LITTLE you could increase all the employee's salaries by taking it from the high-paid executives. That's the same logic whereby many liberals say, "Hey, let's just take the wealth of the richest 1000 people in the country." It turns out that ends up being enough to run the government for like a month or two. Or if you distributed Bill Gates' WORTH (not all of it is cash, not by a longshot) to every American, each American would only get about $175.
So you are a conservative? You talk about what liberals say, but the whole working class will say the same thing, not just the liberals but even conservatives, poor people demand fair wages because its a class issue, not a political issue. Not all conservatives are rich. If you limit the amount of money a CEO can make, you'd have enough money to raise the minimum wage, We arent talking about running the government here. We arent talking about taking 100 percent of all the wealth from the richest people, we are talking about fair wages. And fair treatment of all classes. Currently, the top 1000 richest people have all the advantages of society, America is such a great place to these people because they have everything! I'm not asking for them to give all their money away, What I'm saying is everyone should be able to survive, its cruel for a person who works hard, to be barely surviving, not be able to afford healthcare, have kids which dont even have the chance to get educated due to the high costs of private schools and lack of government funding of public schools (20 billion for public schools yet 350 billion for the military is alittle bit off balance if you ask me)
What we need for america to work, and for all the classes to get along, is for each class to have the same basic chance at success, everyone has a right to a good education, everyone should have healthcare, everyone should be able to retire and we know the 401k and stock market gamble retirement just cant work due to dishonesty.
You mention distributing bill gates worth, thats a socialist concept, of course its done in the wrong way, you dont do something stupid, like throw money into the hands of the people, you tax the rich in order to give the poor the oppurtunity to be rich, or else the rich will stay rich, and the poor will have no chance at ever being anything but poor, giving them a hopeless exsistance, creating class warfare. This kinda thing is what happened to blacks in the USA, and this is why there was the civil rights movement, fair treatment is required, its not optional but REQUIRED, this means the wages should be fair, everyone should be able to get a good education, money shouldnt determine this, everyone should be able to get medical care.
If the worlds richest companies were forced to pay taxes (currently they avoid paying taxes) the tax money should NOT and WOULD not be given directly to the people, it would be used to fund the school system, healthcare system, to help the workers who actually build these companies.
The majority of the people working for Microsoft, they want to be able to retire, they WANT social security, they WANT healthcare, they WANT good public schools, they dont want to be forced to rely on microsofts stock which tells them if they can or cant retire, they do not want to trust bill gates when it comes to their life savings.
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In the end, the best way to earn more money is to better yourself. If you're working at McDonald's at minimum wage and you're not studying, be it in high school or college, then you've chosen the easy, low-income route. Don't cry to the government to give you raises when you didn't choose to finish your education. You just dont get it, its not currently a fair route. A rich kid, who may be less intelligent, but who has gone to private schools and has a better education, a kid who does not have to worry about bills, survival, or the struggle, can focus on being successful and moving up the ladder from their birth, they'll have their parents pay for them to go to harvard, where they can continue to gather knowledge without worryinng about how to pay for it all, you see, money buys success for alot of people. People who dont have money have to work twice as hard to be successful, if you didnt get a proper education, its up to you to educate yourself up to the level required and you can forget about going to harvard, community college for you, you have to slowly work your way to transfering to a good college. Lets not forget that all during this time, you wont have rich parents paying for you, you'll have to work full time while getting your education, this means you wont be able to focus 100 percent like a person who doesnt have to worry about bills, survival, rent, food, etc, you cannot focus 100 percent on being successful, if you are focusing 50 percent on survival.
Do the math, and you'll see why its much harder for a poor person to be successful and the goal should be to make it so no matter how much money you have, everyone has an equal chance.
John Smiley makes great books, mainly because, it makes it alot easier to read through boring as hell visual basic and java books when its told in the style he uses.
You can also learn about from websites, marinoland C tutorial is the best
It only teaches you the basics, but the foundation is what matters most when learning C, you can buy a refrence book/manual and deal with the advanced stuff as you have to use it.
Raising minimum wage also tends to cause inflation. You are paying people more despite a lack of any increase in productivity. This tends to cause inflation in the economy. currently alot of people in the usa have to work two jobs at minimum wage just to pay the rent. your point?
increase in productivity? the easiest jobs pay the most and the hardest sometimes pay the least, most ceos have easy but risky jobs, the hard workers dont make a fair wage. no jobs have to be lost, pay the ceo less money and suddenly you can raise the wages of your workers.
It would cost more to leave the USA than it would cost to just hire american workers!
Lets see building new offices means hiring a huge workforce to build these offices, and the cost of running both offices at the same time for a while will get expensive until they close the american offices down.
Lets not forget, that hiring people in other countries means the people in those countries will have absolutely no loyalty at all.
Microsoft will have no way to keep their great programmers from leaving them and going next door to Corel, because in these countries, there wont be a retirement plan, they wont get any benifits, they'll just go whereever the gold is, whoever pays the best.
There was a debate on slashdot about globalization and unions a year ago, alot of the high tech upper class posters on slashdot claimed globalization was good and would help them, that americans would always have jobs.
Well, things are changing, the economy is not all that great anymore and now its hard to get a job.
Whats the solution? Well the first thing we can do
RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE If we are going to have globalization we must have a global minimum wage, this wage. This wage must be high enough so anyone from any country can make a living and survive on it.
I'm surprised we havent raised the minimum wage here in the USA, $6 an hour? You cant live off $6 an hour! We need liveable wages, we need fair treatment of workers in all countries.
All workers should be of equal value, value should be based on the job done not the country you are from, you should get paid the same if you are in pakistan as you would if you were in the USA.
This is the ONLY and I mean ONLY way, that we can have globalization work, without us all losing our jobs here in the USA.
I mean why hire us, people in china and pakistan will work for pennies and can live off of pennies, our standard of living will eventually be lower than theirs because we cant live off of pennies in fact we wont even have a job.
Any knowledgeable hacker knows about ATH0, it effects around 50 percent of 56k/33/28 modems.
With this, I was able to hang up peoples connections and even make them dial phone numbers, you send the modem commands and because of a bug, the modems obey the commands.
Its not a virus, Its something thats been going on for years, its an old trick/exploit.hack
Hm who are the REAL idiots here? Them or You? Perhaps both of you?
Being immature and stupid to make fun of other immature and stupid people, is not really very wise.
Also making fun of people who are open minded, by having hoaxes, only will make things worse if we ever find out aliens did make crop circles and some stupid as hell humans got in the way.
An aggressive yet smarter race of aliens could easily take over the world.
How? simple, take a few hundred random people from hick towns who are dumb enough so no one will believe them, capture their DNA, take their DNA and make alien human hybrids, and slowly mix in with the human race over the course of hundreds of years.
This is how aliens could take over the world without us ever knowing it therefore we couldnt stop it. Its far more intelligent and aggressive than landing in front of the white house and making the annoucement "we are here"
Aliens are older than us and if they can get here its an automatic that they are more advanced than us. We know genetic technology, aliens most likely would have mastered this, if we can clone humans, dont you think aliens could take our DNA and come to earth in human form and take it over from within?
Why have a war when you can just change your genes to look like the people you are trying to take control of?
Of course aliens may have the ability to come here in saucers and have an all out war, but would we do it? honestly would we be stupid enough to go into afganastan with ground troops? hell no, we used stealth aircraft and flying unmanned spy planes, people in afganastan never saw what we were doing or they saw it and had no way to counter it, or they had no idea what the hell they saw in the case of an unmanned craft.
The easiest way to win a war, is to take over from within, the easiest way to take over a country, is to do so from within that countries government itself.
Now, of course, if that doesnt work, plan B would be to launch a more direct attack. But did we launch a direct attack on the russians? No, but we still destroyed them from within.
People who are laid off, still spend money, what? You think because you are laid off that rent doesnt have to be paid, food doesnt get purchased? Bullshit.
Sure its good to keep people employed but people who get laid off get new jobs, usually just as good. People working at WorldCom will simply move to Bell Atlantic and other companies.
You see the economy doesnt run because theres monopoly big huge corperations employeeing alot of people, people actually get paid alot more when theres no big corperations, when theres a bunch of small competiting corperations the market is at is best, the stock market is better, people get paid more, and people spend more.
Competition forces companies to spend more, companies which spend more allow the people who work for them to spend more.
Worldcom wont be spending alot of money, so wages are going to go down.
Why should we pay tax dollars to keep a monopoly up and running? I hope the government doesnt step in, the government should never step in to save any company unless its an absolutely vital company such as a food company, or water or electric company where peoples lives are on the line.
Worldcom is a communications company and I hate this corperate welfare shit, we cant get welfare, so why should they?
actually, faster than light travel would be easy for aliens.
We already know how to move faster than light in theory
Also it wouldnt be smart for any species to reveal themselves to us unless they want to fight us. Our history proves we cant even get along with each other.
Theres no way anyone in their right mind can believe one guy, or a handful of guys make them all.
Maybe when they were just circles i could believe some of those dumb looking guys did it, but now they are getting more complicated in shape, some of them would be damn hard to draw on paper, you'd need precise measurements just to draw it on paper so whoever is doing them now is putting a great deal of effort into them.
To just make a circle thats not 100 percent perfect yeah.
But to make some of the fancy crop designs? I dont think so unless you are a like a mathematician and you have really precise measurements.
The "real" crop circles arent circles anymore, they are complicated geometric shapes, perfect shapes at that, not something a group of amateurs could make, maybe something a group of bored scientists or mathematicians could make. I dont know why they'd be wasting their abilities running around making circles in crops though, maybe its part of some secret societies ritual, maybe some college fraturnity ? Who knows.
China will have a strong economy if they have a successful business sector, jobs isnt what matters its how many small businesses and big businesses you have that matters.
The USA has alot of businesses, if you talk about jobs you are talking mc donalds, and yes mc donalds is in mexico.
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If you increase the wages of those earning minimum wage you will find that the companies that employ them will tend to look for ways to get the job done with fewer employees. They're not just going to accept the increase in minimum wage and take a cut in their profit.
They are already doing that. so hows raising the minimum wage going to change this? companies already are trying to replace us with machines and workers from other countries to save money.
One of two things will happen:
# They will reduce their workforce. So those that remain will earn more, but you'll have more people unemployed. This will happen if they are in a market that doesn't allow them much room to increase their price due to competition.
# If they can, they will increase what they charge to their customers in order to cover the increase in minimum wage. In that case, the buck is passed to all of the economy, creating pressures on inflation. I need not explain the problems caused by inflation.
Would you rather luxury items cost more, or would you prefer to not even be able to pay your rent? Let the prices for things go up, I dont care, I'm trying to survive not worry about prices of things like computers, or a mc donalds hamburger, because if mc donalds raises the prices they'll simply be replaced by smaller more competitive companies.
That depends on what you define as "easy." If you mean that those that are educated and have a vast amount of technical experience but all they do is sit in the office and write programs and go to meetings while coal miners are stuck 250 feet under the ground, sure. No thats comparing the working class with the working class, programmers are no diffrent than coal miners, I'm talking about management, CEOS, those guys dont write programs, all they do is go to meetings and boss people around, and all it took for them to get where they are, is writing a business plan and knowing the right people in order to get capital. Its not hard work to be bill gates or even an upper level manager.
I agree many (not all) CEOs are paid too much. That said, you'd be surprised how LITTLE you could increase all the employee's salaries by taking it from the high-paid executives. That's the same logic whereby many liberals say, "Hey, let's just take the wealth of the richest 1000 people in the country." It turns out that ends up being enough to run the government for like a month or two. Or if you distributed Bill Gates' WORTH (not all of it is cash, not by a longshot) to every American, each American would only get about $175.
So you are a conservative? You talk about what liberals say, but the whole working class will say the same thing, not just the liberals but even conservatives, poor people demand fair wages because its a class issue, not a political issue. Not all conservatives are rich. If you limit the amount of money a CEO can make, you'd have enough money to raise the minimum wage, We arent talking about running the government here. We arent talking about taking 100 percent of all the wealth from the richest people, we are talking about fair wages. And fair treatment of all classes. Currently, the top 1000 richest people have all the advantages of society, America is such a great place to these people because they have everything! I'm not asking for them to give all their money away, What I'm saying is everyone should be able to survive, its cruel for a person who works hard, to be barely surviving, not be able to afford healthcare, have kids which dont even have the chance to get educated due to the high costs of private schools and lack of government funding of public schools (20 billion for public schools yet 350 billion for the military is alittle bit off balance if you ask me)
What we need for america to work, and for all the classes to get along, is for each class to have the same basic chance at success, everyone has a right to a good education, everyone should have healthcare, everyone should be able to retire and we know the 401k and stock market gamble retirement just cant work due to dishonesty.
You mention distributing bill gates worth, thats a socialist concept, of course its done in the wrong way, you dont do something stupid, like throw money into the hands of the people, you tax the rich in order to give the poor the oppurtunity to be rich, or else the rich will stay rich, and the poor will have no chance at ever being anything but poor, giving them a hopeless exsistance, creating class warfare. This kinda thing is what happened to blacks in the USA, and this is why there was the civil rights movement, fair treatment is required, its not optional but REQUIRED, this means the wages should be fair, everyone should be able to get a good education, money shouldnt determine this, everyone should be able to get medical care.
If the worlds richest companies were forced to pay taxes (currently they avoid paying taxes) the tax money should NOT and WOULD not be given directly to the people, it would be used to fund the school system, healthcare system, to help the workers who actually build these companies.
The majority of the people working for Microsoft, they want to be able to retire, they WANT social security, they WANT healthcare, they WANT good public schools, they dont want to be forced to rely on microsofts stock which tells them if they can or cant retire, they do not want to trust bill gates when it comes to their life savings.
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In the end, the best way to earn more money is to better yourself. If you're working at McDonald's at minimum wage and you're not studying, be it in high school or college, then you've chosen the easy, low-income route. Don't cry to the government to give you raises when you didn't choose to finish your education.
You just dont get it, its not currently a fair route. A rich kid, who may be less intelligent, but who has gone to private schools and has a better education, a kid who does not have to worry about bills, survival, or the struggle, can focus on being successful and moving up the ladder from their birth, they'll have their parents pay for them to go to harvard, where they can continue to gather knowledge without worryinng about how to pay for it all, you see, money buys success for alot of people. People who dont have money have to work twice as hard to be successful, if you didnt get a proper education, its up to you to educate yourself up to the level required and you can forget about going to harvard, community college for you, you have to slowly work your way to transfering to a good college. Lets not forget that all during this time, you wont have rich parents paying for you, you'll have to work full time while getting your education, this means you wont be able to focus 100 percent like a person who doesnt have to worry about bills, survival, rent, food, etc, you cannot focus 100 percent on being successful, if you are focusing 50 percent on survival.
Do the math, and you'll see why its much harder for a poor person to be successful and the goal should be to make it so no matter how much money you have, everyone has an equal chance.
John Smiley makes great books, mainly because, it makes it alot easier to read through boring as hell visual basic and java books when its told in the style he uses.
You can also learn about from websites, marinoland C tutorial is the best
It only teaches you the basics, but the foundation is what matters most when learning C, you can buy a refrence book/manual and deal with the advanced stuff as you have to use it.
Raising minimum wage also tends to cause inflation. You are paying people more despite a lack of any increase in productivity. This tends to cause inflation in the economy. currently alot of people in the usa have to work two jobs at minimum wage just to pay the rent. your point?
increase in productivity? the easiest jobs pay the most and the hardest sometimes pay the least, most ceos have easy but risky jobs, the hard workers dont make a fair wage. no jobs have to be lost, pay the ceo less money and suddenly you can raise the wages of your workers.
It would cost more to leave the USA than it would cost to just hire american workers!
Lets see building new offices means hiring a huge workforce to build these offices, and the cost of running both offices at the same time for a while will get expensive until they close the american offices down.
Lets not forget, that hiring people in other countries means the people in those countries will have absolutely no loyalty at all.
Microsoft will have no way to keep their great programmers from leaving them and going next door to Corel, because in these countries, there wont be a retirement plan, they wont get any benifits, they'll just go whereever the gold is, whoever pays the best.
There was a debate on slashdot about globalization and unions a year ago, alot of the high tech upper class posters on slashdot claimed globalization was good and would help them, that americans would always have jobs.
Well, things are changing, the economy is not all that great anymore and now its hard to get a job.
Whats the solution? Well the first thing we can do
RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE
If we are going to have globalization we must have a global minimum wage, this wage. This wage must be high enough so anyone from any country can make a living and survive on it.
I'm surprised we havent raised the minimum wage here in the USA, $6 an hour? You cant live off $6 an hour! We need liveable wages, we need fair treatment of workers in all countries.
All workers should be of equal value, value should be based on the job done not the country you are from, you should get paid the same if you are in pakistan as you would if you were in the USA.
This is the ONLY and I mean ONLY way, that we can have globalization work, without us all losing our jobs here in the USA.
I mean why hire us, people in china and pakistan will work for pennies and can live off of pennies, our standard of living will eventually be lower than theirs because we cant live off of pennies in fact we wont even have a job.
you dont need to use the utlity to send the commands, the utlity just automates the process.
Second, its not my homepage. Third its freeware.
Yeah Its wrong to tie up 911 but 911 is the only number which could fit into the command string for ATH0.
Yes its ATH0, not a virus.
ATH0 Exploit
ATH0 info
Any knowledgeable hacker knows about ATH0, it effects around 50 percent of 56k/33/28 modems.
With this, I was able to hang up peoples connections and even make them dial phone numbers, you send the modem commands and because of a bug, the modems obey the commands.
Its not a virus, Its something thats been going on for years, its an old trick/exploit.hack
You werent at last weeks meeting? Theres been a change of plans.
Hm who are the REAL idiots here? Them or You? Perhaps both of you?
Being immature and stupid to make fun of other immature and stupid people, is not really very wise.
Also making fun of people who are open minded, by having hoaxes, only will make things worse if we ever find out aliens did make crop circles and some stupid as hell humans got in the way.
An aggressive yet smarter race of aliens could easily take over the world.
How? simple, take a few hundred random people from hick towns who are dumb enough so no one will believe them, capture their DNA, take their DNA and make alien human hybrids, and slowly mix in with the human race over the course of hundreds of years.
This is how aliens could take over the world without us ever knowing it therefore we couldnt stop it. Its far more intelligent and aggressive than landing in front of the white house and making the annoucement "we are here"
Aliens are older than us and if they can get here its an automatic that they are more advanced than us. We know genetic technology, aliens most likely would have mastered this, if we can clone humans, dont you think aliens could take our DNA and come to earth in human form and take it over from within?
Why have a war when you can just change your genes to look like the people you are trying to take control of?
Of course aliens may have the ability to come here in saucers and have an all out war, but would we do it? honestly would we be stupid enough to go into afganastan with ground troops? hell no, we used stealth aircraft and flying unmanned spy planes, people in afganastan never saw what we were doing or they saw it and had no way to counter it, or they had no idea what the hell they saw in the case of an unmanned craft.
The easiest way to win a war, is to take over from within, the easiest way to take over a country, is to do so from within that countries government itself.
Now, of course, if that doesnt work, plan B would be to launch a more direct attack. But did we launch a direct attack on the russians? No, but we still destroyed them from within.
People who are laid off, still spend money, what? You think because you are laid off that rent doesnt have to be paid, food doesnt get purchased? Bullshit.
Sure its good to keep people employed but people who get laid off get new jobs, usually just as good. People working at WorldCom will simply move to Bell Atlantic and other companies.
You see the economy doesnt run because theres monopoly big huge corperations employeeing alot of people, people actually get paid alot more when theres no big corperations, when theres a bunch of small competiting corperations the market is at is best, the stock market is better, people get paid more, and people spend more.
Competition forces companies to spend more, companies which spend more allow the people who work for them to spend more.
Worldcom wont be spending alot of money, so wages are going to go down.
Why should we pay tax dollars to keep a monopoly up and running? I hope the government doesnt step in, the government should never step in to save any company unless its an absolutely vital company such as a food company, or water or electric company where peoples lives are on the line.
Worldcom is a communications company and I hate this corperate welfare shit, we cant get welfare, so why should they?
actually, faster than light travel would be easy for aliens.
We already know how to move faster than light in theory
Also it wouldnt be smart for any species to reveal themselves to us unless they want to fight us. Our history proves we cant even get along with each other.
whats the point of stayingn up all night sneaking into crops around the world to make silly designs?
http://www.lovely.clara.net/crop_circles_sacredgeo 2.html
I suppose some people need an outlet for their artwork and crop circles are the answer
of course it could be aliens, but i really doubt aliens would ever communicate with us, what would they have to gain by doing so?
Theres no way anyone in their right mind can believe one guy, or a handful of guys make them all.
Maybe when they were just circles i could believe some of those dumb looking guys did it, but now they are getting more complicated in shape, some of them would be damn hard to draw on paper, you'd need precise measurements just to draw it on paper so whoever is doing them now is putting a great deal of effort into them.
To just make a circle thats not 100 percent perfect yeah.
But to make some of the fancy crop designs? I dont think so unless you are a like a mathematician and you have really precise measurements.
The "real" crop circles arent circles anymore, they are complicated geometric shapes, perfect shapes at that, not something a group of amateurs could make, maybe something a group of bored scientists or mathematicians could make. I dont know why they'd be wasting their abilities running around making circles in crops though, maybe its part of some secret societies ritual, maybe some college fraturnity ? Who knows.
Well even if they arent all man made, soon we will find out how convincing man made crop circles are compared to whatever else is making them
Hes a good game programmer but hes not the worlds best C programmer.
IF he did write a book on C it would be good for game programmers to read maybe.
When you steal from 711, 711 loses money.
Thats stealing. When you share, no ones losing any money. So you cant compare it to stealing.
Dumbasses like you always say stealing and sharing at the same thing, as if its morally wrong to share?
Stealing is morally wrong, stealing is when you download music from gnutella or a movie and then sell it on the blackmarket, thats wrong.
Sharing is not wrong because no one would have paid for it to begin with. No one loses anything when you share, and alot of people gain.
open up a recorder program and hit record.
you dont have to use a stream ripper at all.
Anything based on gnutella sucks, I'm sorry but come on!! Gnutella?!
I'm going to stick with streamer myself
http://www.chaotica.u-net.com/page/streamer.htm
anything from daft punk or the crydamoure label, aphex twin and plaid are good too
China will have a strong economy if they have a successful business sector, jobs isnt what matters its how many small businesses and big businesses you have that matters.
The USA has alot of businesses, if you talk about jobs you are talking mc donalds, and yes mc donalds is in mexico.