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How To Get High-Schoolers Involved In Real Science?

Wellington Grey writes "I'm a physics teacher and have been wondering what ways it's possible to get students to participate in or donate to real science projects. I encourage my students to help out with things like Galaxy Zoo (which has just released a new version) and to get them to install BOINC on their personal computers. Do Slashdotters out there have any other suggestions that would be appropriate for the 11-18 age range? Extra credit if you can think of a way that I can track their progress so that I can give them extra credit."

314 comments

  1. Ask Thomas Dolby by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think the answer has something to do with a Poser model, a government mainframe, and a freak electrical storm...

  2. Ask Slashdot by biocute · · Score: 5, Funny

    "I'm a high school student and my physics teacher always comes up with ideas to get us to participate in or donate to real science projects. He even encourages us to help out with things like Galaxy Zoo (which has just released a new version, grrrr, dreadful updates again) and even gets us to install BOINC on our PERSONAL computers. Do Slashdotters out there have any suggestions that would be appropriate to satisfy this 35-year-old physics teacher? Extra credit if you can think of a way that I can fake my progress so that I can get extra credit."

    1. Re:Ask Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does this have to be physics specific or just science in general?

      Chemistry is easy - just do lots of explosions. They are cheap and easy to do.

      For physics, I did a computer gravity simulator for my independent study which was a lot of fun. Other things to do are to watch cartoons and make proper physics problems out of them. For example, Wile E. Coyote is flug off a cliff and takes x seconds to reach ground. Use some video analyzation software to see how fast the cartoonists made "gravity" and then find out the height of the cliff :) Always made for an entertaining class.

    2. Re:Ask Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read Make magazine, there are tons of science ideas and opportunities there.

    3. Re:Ask Slashdot by infonography · · Score: 1

      thats a valid point now that you don't need a ATF license to buy model rocketry motors. Just think what July 4th is going to be like this year now that you can put interesting payloads in that V2 Model you got when you were twelve.

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    4. Re:Ask Slashdot by Microwave_Safe_Bowl · · Score: 3, Informative

      There is a group called The INSPIRE Project (http://www.theinspireproject.org) that, among other things, makes kits specifically for high school students that enables them to listen to atmospheric phenomena. The kits, actually called VLF Receiver Kits, can be ordered either assembled or not yet assembled. If the kids are to be the ones to put the kits together, you have just tricked them into performing some very basic electrical engineering in addition to learning about what goes on in the Earth's atmosphere. As a board member of INSPIRE, feel free to email the site with any questions, and spread the word!

    5. Re:Ask Slashdot by RicktheBrick · · Score: 1

      SETI has been running now for several years and has well into the hundred of thousands of years of cpu time. Since there have been no major announcements the only thing I can concluded is that they have found nothing at the places and time they looked. It seems to be the same for BOINC in that the only thing they have done is to prove a lot of molecules will not cure a given disease. If there is value in this why can't they get a sponsor such as Microsoft to offer free software. I do not mean to every one but at least they could have a daily lottery and the lucky winner would get something. I do use BOINC and I am a member of WCG and a slashdot team member there. The slashdot team has 2,175,719 results as of today. I have 23,164 results or more than 1% of the team even though the team has 3,948 members. I am in 868th position for all the members of wcg. There are a lot more universities, hospitals, and large corporations with access to a lot more computers than I have, so someone is not convincing these people to contribute. The number one contributor contributes over 2,500 results every day. I some time think why do I bother when my total contribution is only about 9 days of that member. Every result is calculated by at least two computers to ensure accuracy so the unique results are at least one half of the total results that are published.

    6. Re:Ask Slashdot by martin-boundary · · Score: 4, Funny
      Dear HIGHSCHOOL STUDENT Sir/Madam,

      I am Mbutu Kiko Kiko, a 35 year old physics teacher. My lab director has recently organized a coup against the theoretical physics junta, and I need your ATM MACHINE CARD to protect $8,500,000 worth of funds converted in small pens and spiral notebooks...

    7. Re:Ask Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i helped my old teacher from high school demoted to sixth grade teacher by helping him create curriculum's called "THE PHYSICS OF SUPERHEROES", "THE ENGINEERING OF MECHA ROBOTS" which actually has kids buy robot kits and you teach them about gears, levers, pistons etc. etc. "THE MATHEMATICS OF BUILDING AN EMPIRE" which teaches you all the math and business skills needed to build your own empire like trump.

    8. Re:Ask Slashdot by mrsurb · · Score: 1

      Every result is calculated by at least two computers to ensure accuracy so the unique results are at least one half of the total results that are published.

      Sorry - mathematical pedantry follows.

      Every result is calculated by at least two computers to ensure accuracy so the unique results are at most one half of the total results that are published.

    9. Re:Ask Slashdot by LuYu · · Score: 1

      If there is value in this why can't they get a sponsor such as Microsoft to offer free software.

      They can not because Microsoft does not offer Free Software, even when the do not charge money for software. They never did and never will.

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  3. Citizen Science by Toe,+The · · Score: 1

    I think the term you are looking for is citizen science.

  4. Slashdot says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Take pictures of space!

    http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/18/1645216

    1. Re:Slashdot says by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While this is modded funny and comes from an AC, I'd seriously put this out there as an option.

      Here's why:
      1) It's cheap.
      2) It requires little time.
      3) It requires little handywork - no time spent soldering minuscule circuitry or machining micrometer spec aluminum.
      4) It's results are almost immediate.
      5) It produces very cool data.
      6) It touches a lot of different areas: atmospheric physics, electronics, photography, telemetry. All of which can be understood by anybody who's been outside and played with some electronics and software.

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    2. Re:Slashdot says by castironpigeon · · Score: 1

      You forgot the most important aspect of doing science in the 21st century: it gets the students to figure out what paperwork needs to be done and who needs to get copies of it before you do anything.

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  5. Ionospheric propagation by wowbagger · · Score: 3, Informative

    You could have them monitor HF propagation beacons to track the effects of the new sunspot Solar Cycle on the ionosphere.

    You could have them do balloon launches.

    1. Re:Ionospheric propagation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nuts and Volts magazine has articles on near space experiments using balloons.

  6. We need more by hypergreatthing · · Score: 5, Funny

    Kelly LeBrock.

    1. Re:We need more by jd · · Score: 1

      I believe the correct quote is "We need more cowbell".

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    2. Re:We need more by russotto · · Score: 1

      Kelly LeBrock.

      I hate her because she's beautiful.

    3. Re:We need more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Well then, let me make your day!

    4. Re:We need more by JCSoRocks · · Score: 1

      Wow. That's SFW but it'll definitely scare the crap outta ya. Do Not Want.

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    5. Re:We need more by Doctor+Morbius · · Score: 1

      Woah. She looks like she hit the wall and then ate it.

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  7. Try successful cases by casals · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Have you tried to show them successful stories like this one? High schoolers are more prone to do something that a) has good chances to success and b) has very good chances to make them look good. Show them enough successful projects like "hey, how cool is that, uh?", and you probably will be able to gather even the not-that-geeks.

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  8. Red? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is this story red on the front page, is it hot hot hot?

  9. Build a Tesla coil? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    or even better: make a survey, check what their are interessed in. crpto is always good. historic cyphers in WWII e.g., one-time-pads (ok, that's math)

    1. Re:Build a Tesla coil? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      For cryptography, the story of the German Enigma machine in WWII can't be beat.

      Plus, there is an electronic kit available (info at http://www.xat.nl/enigma-e/) and they can be purchased at the Bletchley Park museum shop (http://www.bletchleypark.org.uk/shop/index.rhtm/133066/cat.html) or http://www.jancorver.org/en/price/ (130 Euros). A mini kit is at http://www.apogeekits.com/enigma_cipher_machine.htm

      The electronic kit is a fully functional electronic replication of how the Enigma machine operated and can code and decode original Enigma messages. They also have one wheel cardboard versions for much less.

      A little off topic but for teaching, when you can relate the demonstration to real life, it's invaluable. Also, things like cryptography can capture boys and girls imagination.

  10. Wait, what? by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You want to get students interested in "real science", then as your examples you cite some computer programs? And they learn what from this?

    When I was in school, the best science was *always* some sort of physical demonstration. I still remember being in physics class where we calculated the speed that a ball ought to go down a ramp, fly through the air and hit a spot on some paper. I marked an "X", and sure enough, the ball landed on the X (within experimental error).

    I also remember being fascinated at my local science museum at a big box with pegs and a bell curve painted on the glass. Every few minutes balls would fall randomly through the pegs, yet fall into the bell curve. [of course, in recent years they got rid of all the cool stuff in favor of "corporate demonstrations" that totally suck, but that's another subject]

    Then there were the chemistry experiments... and field trips to the park... you get the idea.

    Make science real by making it something physical that students can see/touch/smell.

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    1. Re:Wait, what? by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Oops, I misread his question. I thought he was asking for how to get students interested in science, when he was asking how to get students involved in *helping* science, apparently. Never mind.

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    2. Re:Wait, what? by colourmyeyes · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My physics teacher (who was awesome) did an experiment where we hung a bowling ball from the ceiling, then he sat in a chair, pulled the bowling ball back to his face, and let it go. This was to prove that as it swung, the ball lost energy and would not hit him in the nose when it swung back. We videotaped it and though the bowling ball obeyed the laws of physics and did not hit him, the look on his face was priceless.

      Anyway, I think the computer-related stuff is alright, but I agree that physical stuff has more impact and will stick in their feeble young minds longer.

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    3. Re:Wait, what? by maxume · · Score: 1

      I'm impressed that he passed on the opportunity to goad a student into it.

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    4. Re:Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Prof. Robinson? A little old man who perpetually put himself in mortal danger with only his knowledge of Physics to defend him? He taught at IPFW, a _community college_ no less!!

    5. Re:Wait, what? by snl2587 · · Score: 2, Funny

      When I was in school my physics teacher did the same thing, but he made the mistake of pushing the ball a little.

      I heard the next year he used a chair to make the demonstration instead.

    6. Re:Wait, what? by Facetious · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One of the best physics demonstrations is to hang a block of wood from a string and shoot it with a .22, then measure how far the block swings. Sadly, this can't be done in schools anymore.

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    7. Re:Wait, what? by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 4, Funny

      Easy - just borrow a piece from one of the students.

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    8. Re:Wait, what? by techess · · Score: 1

      I think you are right. One of the few classes I vividly remember from college was chemistry. The guy did some extreme science. He let us stick our hands (very quickly) into liquid nitrogen and even poured it over his head. He'd also stick a piece of dry ice in his mouth and blow the smoke out. He loved explosions and at least 2 times a week he'd blow something up.

      I didn't care if I had the flu I dragged myself to his class because I never wanted to miss an explosion.

      Check out http://www.stevespanglerscience.com/experiments/ he's done some experiments on Ellen and has a collection of fun science. Though the site is geared to sell you stuff some of the experiments are a blast. I love the cornstarch & water one.

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    9. Re:Wait, what? by cptdondo · · Score: 1

      There's the bowling ball on a string. I like that one...

      The spinning chair: get someone to sit in a chair you can spin. Give her 2 dumbbells. She spins faster when she draws her arms in, slower when she extends them.

      The rifle: Hang a block on a long piece of string. It has to be a large-ish, heavy block of wood. Clamp a rifle into a firing bench, aim at block, pull trigger. Block goes flying up. You can measure the transfer of momentum by measuring how high the block went.

      Various exploding and noxious chemicals, of course.

      Then there's my all-time favorite: Measuring the volume of someone's ass. Really, we did this in High School physics. It's a non-trivial experimental problem. How do you measure the volume of someone's ass, without direct measurements? We used a chalked hard board, some estimates of the elasticity of your butt, and some exprerimental/anectodal estimates of the curvature of your butt when you stood up.

      But then, most of these would be deemed too dangerous or "inappropriate" these days.

    10. Re:Wait, what? by EEBaum · · Score: 1

      I remember the big box with pegs and a bell curve. One lived in L.A. for quite a few years. Last I saw, it (and the accompanying whole room's worth of other cool things) had moved to Seattle.

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    11. Re:Wait, what? by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 1

      That's the one! Los Angeles Museum of Science and Industry. Which they completely ruined. The Air and Space Museum is still cool, though.

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    12. Re:Wait, what? by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 2, Funny

      No problem. If you can't fire a gun at a block of wood, then get one of the students to stand on a skateboard so you can just shoot him instead.

    13. Re:Wait, what? by Patch86 · · Score: 1

      Then there's my all-time favorite: Measuring the volume of someone's ass. Really, we did this in High School physics. It's a non-trivial experimental problem. How do you measure the volume of someone's ass, without direct measurements? We used a chalked hard board, some estimates of the elasticity of your butt, and some exprerimental/anectodal estimates of the curvature of your butt when you stood up.

      Fill a tub to the brim with a measured volume of water. Have person submerge their arse in the water. Measure the volume of the displaced water.

      Easy, AND humiliating. Sounds about right for school!

    14. Re:Wait, what? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Completely unrelated and off-topic gripe:

      The "facility" for this in Seattle is called the Seattle Science Center. It's *not* called the Seattle Museum of Science. Why is that important? Because if you name something a "museum", people expect there to be an actual museum there.

      A few years ago, a buddy and I went to the San Jose Tech Museum of Innovation, expecting to see, gee I dunno, a museum of the history of the development of computers or something interesting at least. Turns out it was actually a Science Center, and *not* a museum, and a total waste of our money and time. Huge disappointment, there was virtually nothing in it interesting for adults.

      Anyway, if it's not a museum, if it's just a place for class field trips to go ride a Segway, then please don't call it a museum. I don't know what you call that type of facility (although Science Center works), but it's not a museum! That is all.

      Also, San Jose Tech Museum of Innovation: You suck.

    15. Re:Wait, what? by EEBaum · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I haven't had the heart to go back since the new one opened. I think I actually cried when they closed it. The promotions made it look awful. While construction was ongoing, they had a pretty decent display of other things (chickens hatching, air pollution, mass transit) in a temporary annex in the parking lot, but that's probably down now too.

      Great memories of that place. All I remember of the main building was a bunch of kinda oldish-looking exhibits, though I think either upstairs or downstairs was a model train room, and one time they had one of the robots from Short Circuit chatting about. The hall to the side had all the good stuff... the math and probability room, the robots-building-bicycles display that would CAD you a custom bike drawing, touchscreen displays (this was 1987), fun with magnets and electricity and so on... I'd beg my parents to take me there on weekends; we probably went a few times a year (it helped that my dad's a museum addict). I think I may have even ended up in some promotional video that I never saw, as they were filming when a friend and I were playing a maze game against a computer AI. It was hardly fair... the joystick was broken and wouldn't move left.

      Found a link to a retrospective of the museum... guess the Mathematica section had been around a while... http://www.concentric.net/~Whmsicl/CMSI.html -- someone on the message boards claims it lives in New York now.

      I about screamed when I read someone on the internets recently comparing something to a moebius strip because you can't get to both sides of it, instantly knowing they were full of BS as I remembered seeing the little arrow on a track at the museum.

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    16. Re:Wait, what? by cptdondo · · Score: 1

      "No direct measurement"... The idea was to get the volume of someone's butt without their knowledge or cooperation.

      Thus the chalked board; you can dust chalk on benches, bleachers, whereever kids hang out.... :-)

      But I do like the "humiliating" part of the deal.

    17. Re:Wait, what? by Patch86 · · Score: 1

      Ah, I see. There are whole new layers of enjoyment to be had from that experiment opening up before me :)

    18. Re:Wait, what? by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 1

      Anyway, if it's not a museum, if it's just a place for class field trips to go ride a Segway, then please don't call it a museum.

      I don't know what your definition of a museum is, but it's not just a "place with old stuff." Dictionary.com defines museum as:

      museum
      /myuzim/ Pronunciation [myoo-zee-uhm]
      -noun
      a building or place where works of art, scientific specimens, or other objects of permanent value are kept and displayed.

      Which goes along with my own definition. Basically, a museum is any place where they put stuff on display for you to look at. You may not like what they put on display at the places you complained about, but they still qualify as museums.

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    19. Re:Wait, what? by EEBaum · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Then there's the other end of the spectrum. Check out some of the old-guard museums in Europe some time. Newer ones have friendlier exhibits, but some of them are WAY hardcore, or at least they were not too long ago. In the mid 90s I was in Vienna at the ripe old age of 12. We went to a big fancy museum (I want to say the National Museum, or it could have been Natural History... I don't recall, I was 12). They had some newer exhibits that they tended to usher people towards, which I recall having perusal-friendly displays. Then they had enormous rooms where just things were on display, labeled. Like minerals. Big room, probably 10,000 square feet (maybe overestimating... 12 years old, remember), with nothing but individually labeled minerals. Not what they're for, not where they're found, just minerals and their names. That's... interesting... I guess... if you're into that. What's in the next room? ANOTHER big room, probably 10,000 square feet, with nothing but individually labeled minerals. I want to say there was a third, but my memory is hazy. Similar rooms existed for other things too, IIRC.

      Hardcore.

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    20. Re:Wait, what? by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      When I was in HS science teachers took inspiration for demonstrations from this guy. Notice he has a habit of leaving some questions hanging. Also notice he is not the least bit perturbed when his demonstrations don't work. Watch a few clips and pick (think of) some questions, use them to teach your students how to think like a scientist.

      If you can teach a kid the skill of skeptical thinking then you have taught them science, the rest is research and explosions.

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    21. Re:Wait, what? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      Fine, it fits the "dictionary definition." Whoopee. It's still misleading, and annoying, and despite how *technically* correct its name is, the San Jose Tech "Museum" of Innovation can still kiss my ass.

    22. Re:Wait, what? by jafac · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, in most cases, physical demonstrations == budget.

      A lot of public schools are slashing their science class budgets.

      Of course, money for sports often seems to always be plentiful . . .

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    23. Re:Wait, what? by cptdondo · · Score: 2, Funny

      And that, my friends, is what the OP asked for.

      "How do you get a high schooler interested in science?"

      I present to you the butt experiment.

    24. Re:Wait, what? by jank1887 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As an engineer, I can selfishly say that at that age you don't was to teach them science, you want to teach them engineering. You want them to take a small piece of science and do something physical and visual. Something they can touch. something they can make or change, and then see how they're changes affect it. But the key difference between that and a lab exercise, is that you have to let them play.

      Another suggestion, let them make things. I recommend checking out something like RepRap. For $500 have the kids build a rapid prototyping machine, let them make parts, try different build materials, show them how it ticks. Here's a 1-page description of the RepRap concept (fully GPL i believe) http://reprap.org/pub/Main/WebHome/one-page.pdf Another similar project is Fab@Home, but that will run you $2-3000.

    25. Re:Wait, what? by cheesewire · · Score: 2, Informative

      Heck yes.
      The year I began my A-levels coincided with the schools introduction of a new "practical physics" syllabus. That alone led to many more people choosing to study the subject.

      So we embarked on something of an adventure involving high velocity projectiles, lasers, electronics, some minor explosions and fire. We were presented problems to solve and/or relatively open-ended projects. We made things, learned the physics, encountered real-world problems, learned more physics, solved the problems and then worked out what our results meant and why. It was a learning experience for the teachers too that 1st year - there was definite surprise when our brief to build the best elasticity driven marble launcher possible led to the results achieved.

      The end result was that not only did we learn a lot, but we enjoyed it. Plus the uptake of physics rose *dramatically*. A far cry from seeing previous 4-strong A-level class constantly working from a gargantuan tome. Funnily enough the teachers said they liked things better the new way too.

    26. Re:Wait, what? by roystgnr · · Score: 1

      the ball landed on the X (within experimental error)

      Was it just experimental error? These calculations often leave out rotational energy - a sphere's moment of inertia is .4mr^2, so when rolling its rotational energy is .2mv^2. So if you're calculating a ball's velocity from the E=.5mv^2 of a non-rotating mass, you'll overestimate it by sqrt(1.4).

      I'm not sure what the best way around that is. Wait for the kids to have enough calculus to integrate and understand moments of inertia? Give them "2/5 m r^2" as a magic-algebraic-formula to memorize? Pretend that your velocity overestimation was purely friction and experimental error?

      Personally I'm a big proponent of making the kids all learn their calculus and get off my lawn, but I'm not sure that's the right philosophy to get youngsters enthused about science.

    27. Re:Wait, what? by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what the best way around that is. Wait for the kids to have enough calculus to integrate and understand moments of inertia? Give them "2/5 m r^2" as a magic-algebraic-formula to memorize? Pretend that your velocity overestimation was purely friction and experimental error?

      This was actually "Advanced Physics" for high school seniors, and the first couple of weeks was a crash course in practical calculus (it chopped out a lot of the derivations and focused on a "toolkit" approach). I had actually had a year of calculus the previous year as a junior (I took it at the two-year college across the street), so I was already up to speed more-or-less on calculus.

      But actually, in thinking about it after my post, I remembered exactly what we did. You're right that a true calculation would've been a bear to make accurate, considering all the variables. We actually cheated a little bit. We had a laser timer that measured the speed of the ball as it left the ramp (two lasers, and it timed the interval between breaking the beams). Given the speed, then I calculated the expected trajectory, and then I measured out the distance and put down an "X" on the floor, along with some carbon paper. The steel ball hit the carbon paper and left a mark, and then I was able to do a bunch of runs to get a visual graph of the error. I just remember that it was remarkably close, like within half-an-inch. Of course, the laser timer was key to getting such precision.

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    28. Re:Wait, what? by ultranova · · Score: 1

      You want to get students interested in "real science", then as your examples you cite some computer programs? And they learn what from this?

      Overtime is no longer exceptional but rather a regular and required component to get a decent (w/gr)age. Of course, to really make this similar to the marketplace, you shouldn't give extra credit but rather simply fail/fire anyone who doesn't participate.

      Seriously, the whole article was posted by some shithead on a power trip, trying to use his position of petty power to advance his personal goals. There's no reason why you should get extra credit for helping the teacher's pet project; and since grading is relative - you get graded relative to others - anyone who doesn't do it will have their grade lowered, making this blackmail. It's abuse of power, plain and simple.

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    29. Re:Wait, what? by spikedvodka · · Score: 1

      That would have been the Natural History museum... right across from the art history museum.

      Good times, good times

      Were you just visiting Vienna? or living/going to school there?

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    30. Re:Wait, what? by Stratocastr · · Score: 1

      That's just cos different people learn differently.

      I hated the outdoors as a high schooler, most exciting time was spent writing C code.What helped most was that they gave me free access to the lab whenever there wasn't a class going on.

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    31. Re:Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure what the best way around that is.

      Is there some reason you didn't include telling them about this and saying they math was too hard for the class. It seems like the truth is pretty obviously the best answer.

    32. Re:Wait, what? by EEBaum · · Score: 1

      Was visiting, there three weeks. Have lots of family in Vienna and some surrounding areas.

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    33. Re:Wait, what? by roystgnr · · Score: 1

      Is there some reason you didn't include telling them about this and saying they math was too hard for the class.

      That was the "magic-algebraic-formula" option: give them the results of the calculus without trying to teach them why those results are what they are. (Not because the calculus is "too hard", just because odds are the whole class hasn't learned it yet)

  11. Prepared May Be Better than Involved by LeafOnTheWind · · Score: 4, Informative

    When I was in high school in my chem AP class, my teacher had set it up so that at the end of the year we all had to read a timely chemistry research paper that had been published in a major journal and prepare a presentation on it for the class. This may not be what you want to hear but from what I remember of my chem. AP curriculum, I was grossly underprepared to do any serious research. However, I definitely remember than dealing with both a research subject and the academic publishing style gave a lot of background for my future.

    That said, I'm computer science not chemistry, so I guess I don't know how that would have turned out in the long run. Even though I'm not chem, I know that the experience in reading real research papers definitely prepared me for graduate and research coursework in college more than anything else in my time in high school.

    That said, my minor is physics, so I do know a little bit about that as well. If you've done electromagnetism/electronics, I would encourage maybe giving your students an electronics project. It was nice to have a little practical lab after all that theory. An infinite field of one ohm resisters is one thing - rewiring your coffee maker with a job server is another (btw if any of your students actually manage to do this, send me an email). That said, many of your students (I was one) may really like theory and Maxwell's equations and vector calculus, so don't make the course too EE based.

    1. Re:Prepared May Be Better than Involved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      rewiring your coffee maker with a java server

      There, fixed that for you.

    2. Re:Prepared May Be Better than Involved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You were unprepared to do serious research after high school chemistry? Shocking.

  12. Am I the only one who read the title like by szo · · Score: 2, Funny

    How To Get High - Schoolers Involved In Real Science?

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    1. Re:Am I the only one who read the title like by dimeglio · · Score: 1

      IQ pills would help. Wait, is there such a thing? Are Google and Wikipedia getting into pharmaceuticals?

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    2. Re:Am I the only one who read the title like by Patch86 · · Score: 1

      Yes- Google has enough data that they can actually diagnose any problems you have and mail you the proscription without any user input - for free! As long as you don't mind occasionally hallucinating adverts for local businesses, it's win-win.

    3. Re:Am I the only one who read the title like by nametaken · · Score: 1

      You'd let them study hydroponics, I suppose.

    4. Re:Am I the only one who read the title like by MrEricSir · · Score: 1

      I opened this link in a new tab. It said "How To Get High..."

      Too bad TOTSE is dead.

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    5. Re:Am I the only one who read the title like by mqduck · · Score: 1

      And how to extract and purify DMT from phalaris grass, or LSAs from morning glory seeds, or morphine and codeine from poppy seeds, or...

      (good times)

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  13. Funny that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I'm a physics student, and I got my *teachers* involved in real science last year in my senior year of high school :P The school was smack-dab next to a prominent research university, so all we had to do was ask. A professor even hired me...as a physicist...in high school! Professors are always willing to do cool stuff for kids to show off what they do - send a few emails around and see if you get any bites! ^_^

  14. Gee.. How long have you been a physics teacher? by ewenix · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know I've been out of school for a while, but I believe what you're looking for is called a SCIENCE FAIR.

    1. Re:Gee.. How long have you been a physics teacher? by slapout · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nope. When I was in school, I liked science, but most kids hated doing science fair projects. I wanted to do projects that were interesting, like show how something worked. But the school imposed the rule that every project had to be based on the idea of answering some question.

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    2. Re:Gee.. How long have you been a physics teacher? by geekoid · · Score: 3, Informative

      That just means you didn't like the rules for that science fair.

      Besides your answers the question:"hey, how does this work?"~

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    3. Re:Gee.. How long have you been a physics teacher? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you misunderstand the difference between science and engineering (or reverse engineering). Don't worry, it's a common error.

    4. Re:Gee.. How long have you been a physics teacher? by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Yes, because it really is as simple as assigning students a project to "do an elaborate science project on your own within the confines of arbitrary rules and with no useful direction from your teacher."

      Given how well that works at spurring student interest, why did the submitter even bother asking?

    5. Re:Gee.. How long have you been a physics teacher? by jd · · Score: 1

      Oh, that's easy. Always have the question be: "Why is this an interesting experiment?"

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    6. Re:Gee.. How long have you been a physics teacher? by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      I'm with you. Science fairs are uselessly limited by the venue and students experiences, as well as the primarily solitary work. You need someone to come up with a group/team project which does something cool. These types of projects rarely prove some fundamental science question, but they all use scientific principles (which can be weaved into the activity). For every student that comes up with a neat project, 99 will spend an entire weekend bored, trying to put together a diorama that will get them at least a B for the assignment.

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    7. Re:Gee.. How long have you been a physics teacher? by apoc.famine · · Score: 2, Informative

      DING! You win the prize!
       
      As a science teacher, I can confirm this. 99% of students lack the background knowledge to do a minimal experiment, and lack the ambition to obtain that knowledge on their own. We patrol our (mandated, although we're not allowed to spend any major amount of time on it, due to our standardized state test content guidelines) Science Fair and look for the "least worst" projects to send to the state science fair. It's rare that we send a great project. Mostly, we aim for "doesn't suck too much, and won't completely embarrass the school".
       
      For me to get students involved in real science, I'd need 3 things:
       
      1) Freedom from "teaching to the test".
      2) Money.
      3) The ability for uninterested students to do something else.
       
      At the moment, my school lacks the balls for #1, the tax base for #2, and is hogtied by the phrase "free and equal education" in regards to #3.

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    8. Re:Gee.. How long have you been a physics teacher? by EEBaum · · Score: 1

      Worked well for me, but I had a microbiologist mom and civil engineer dad. If I was on my own for the science fair, I'd probably have tested Duracell vs. Energizer like 80% of the projects.

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    9. Re:Gee.. How long have you been a physics teacher? by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      My local HS seems to be afraid of letting adults in to help for fear of...things that make adults scary, I guess. I can kind of see the paranoia, but this is a college town with a major brainy population and yet there's no way for a non-student to try and help. I'm a local practicing engineer (main street address consulting firm bearing my name) and a former NASA engineer but when I contacted the principal about offering to help organize/mentor a TARC team (http://www.rocketcontest.com), if there was student interest, I was sent a terse letter stating that any student clubs/activities must be requested by petition of a current student prior to April of the preceding academic year, with a faculty sponsor, and approved by the administration. My daughter is only 6, and I don't exactly run in the 14-17 year old set, so I'm not normally in the position to suggest clubs to random local teenagers. I can see where this has merit, don't get me wrong - they are crazy people out there, but it means that nobody from the outside can offer to help (if nobody knows there's a rocket contest, how can they form a group to participate?). To limit the possibilities more, seniors can't form a club (they won't be back after April) and incoming freshmen can't form a club (they aren't students yet). I started too late last year, but I think I'm going to see about visiting the science teachers in the next week or two, when the standardized tests are over, and see if I can get some inside help.

      I hear your pain on (1); I think we'd be better off, overall, without them - or with some reduced scope and pressure. (2) is always an issue, but around me the parents can be leaned on a little bit - it is a college town and the professors make money even in a down economy. (3) is a tough one - some kids just don't care, though I put some (if not most) of that back on the parents. After two years in the "system" I'm amazed at how many kids parents equate "school" with "free daycare" and just don't give a rat's ass what goes on. And these are the grades when the parental involvement is the highest - it only goes downhill from here. While the elementary schools couldn't function without parent volunteers (I see them about 15-20% understaffed), the middle school, from what I understand, is downright hostile towards parent volunteers.

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    10. Re:Gee.. How long have you been a physics teacher? by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      I feel your pain. The fear of "not fingerprinted and had a background check on them done" adults in school is pervasive through this country now. It kills me that we throw away valuable resources such as yourself, on the 1,000,000/1 chance that the person in question is a Bad Person.
       
      At least in my district, it all comes down to a fear of lawsuits. Our Superintendent/School Board will do ANYTHING to avoid any chance of a lawsuit. Despite the fact that we're in a very face-to-face, everybody-knows-everybody rural area, our school has the doors locked throughout the day, and a camera outside the door in the office with a buzzer. We practice lockdown drills in the case someone storms the building with a gun, despite the fact that in my state, there's been ONE school gun fatality in 20 years.
       
      With a million benefits of allowing people like yourself to help out, the Administration is afraid of the one-in-a-million chance you might cause a lawsuit.
       
      It's one of the reasons I'm on the verge of leaving public education. The second lies within your sig, and my responsibility to educate EVERY STUDENT, equally.

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    11. Re:Gee.. How long have you been a physics teacher? by DeadChobi · · Score: 1

      Agree. Most people don't do well without at least some kind of direction and a way to get there. In fact, there was a study done a few years back linked on Slashdot which demonstrated that people were more creative when they were faced with some kind of box or challenge to think around. So enter Problem-Based Learning which seeks to provide students with a challenge and test their ability to reason about it and provide a solution. There is no correct solution, so the exercise is divergent rather than convergent.

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    12. Re:Gee.. How long have you been a physics teacher? by Henry+Pate · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When I was in school you had to choose a question as well (circa 2000). My friend and I did a project on whether it would be possible to create a Connect 4 program that was unbeatable. Turns out it is possible but I over-estimated my coding abilities and looking back on it now it was horribly written software but I did learn about hash tables, minimax, alpha-beta pruning and a bunch of other stuff I might never have looked at.

      We made it to State science fair and then International Science fair out in California. The County paid for the entry fee and my amazing Biology teacher who had a doctorate in Genetics and encouraged us all the way paid for our plane tickets with her frequent flier miles (I think she went into teaching because she loved it). My parents only had to cover partial hotel costs and food costs. I was in the IB program and the Science fair happened to be at the same time as IB testing so I was forced to take two IB tests in between rounds of judging and it didn't go so well.

      Sinbad was the host of the science fair and even did about 45 minutes of stand-up, it was God awful. I met a lot of really smart people, one kid made a glove that translated sign language to text. We brought large chess boards and clocks to challenge people to speed games, it was a lot of fun. My senior year I had learned a lot more and did a much better project but the County wouldn't pay the entry fees for us so we only made it to state.

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    13. Re:Gee.. How long have you been a physics teacher? by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      We practice lockdown drills in the case someone storms the building with a gun, despite the fact that in my state, there's been ONE school gun fatality in 20 years.

      I live near Virginia Tech, I know all about over-reaction* to astronomical odds after the fact. Heck, I just peer reviewed a high school renovation in the next county over that what amounts to a "sally-port" at the entrance, just like we do in jails.

      *I'm not minimizing the tragedy; I'm a Hokie, and my daughter's daycare was about 1200 yards from the initial murder - it's very close to my heart. But the reaction by some has been really out of proportion to the actual threat of a repeat.

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    14. Re:Gee.. How long have you been a physics teacher? by nametaken · · Score: 1

      What's a science fair?

      Seriously, K-12, never had one. I went to all "blue ribbon" schools.

      Embarrassing, huh?

    15. Re:Gee.. How long have you been a physics teacher? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I had a microbiologist mom and civil engineer dad.

      With that background I'd expect you to brew your own beer, in a brewery that you designed & built yourself.

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    16. Re:Gee.. How long have you been a physics teacher? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looking for a local science fair. Check out http://www.societyforscience.org/. the Society for Science and the Public runs the Intel International Science and Engineering Fair. There are state, regional and local fairs that feed into this. It covers all the science and engineering areas. There is probably one in your local area. I run one in New Jersey and it is still surprising how many local students never hear about it because the teachers don't know or don't tell them about it. Giving extra credit or foregoing a final is a great way to support the student's effort without having to put in a lot of extra time. In fact, it often means telling the student about the fair and signing a form that indicates where they attend school.

    17. Re:Gee.. How long have you been a physics teacher? by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Supposedly Yoda was only a tiny little man because they couldn't figure out how to do the special effects to make a realistic looking giant. Yoda was originally supposed to be 10 feet tall, but that just didn't work.

      That probably sounds random, but I think it's a decent example of what you're talking about. When faced with problems/obstacles, people are forced to get creative. Often enough, they end up coming up with something better than if the obstacle wasn't there. Lucas's movies certainly haven't gotten better now that he can use CGI to create whatever he can imagine.

  15. Great documentary by Chairboy · · Score: 4, Funny

    There's a great documentary on a teacher who faced the same challenges and found innovating ways to overcome them. He needed to give his students some projects that would have real-world results that could be measured. In the end, he helped a classroom of very talented kids construct some world-class devices that made breakthroughs in the areas of lasers, inertial guidance, optics, and more.

    Very inspiration stuff, I highly recommend watching. Professor J. Hathaway should be commended for his innovative approach to this exact situation. More information on the documentary can be found here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089886/

    1. Re:Great documentary by AeiwiMaster · · Score: 1

      I think you linked to the wrong movie.
      The movie you linked to is a comedy.

    2. Re:Great documentary by zymurgy_cat · · Score: 1

      To this day, I still credit that experiment where we punched a spike through a board for making me become an engineer....and a successful part time actor in a niche movie industry.

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  16. Explain the science behind "miracles"? by Sybert42 · · Score: 1

    How carbon cannot come from water (so-called water-into-wine). How horses can't fly. How seas can't just rise up.

    1. Re:Explain the science behind "miracles"? by Gyga · · Score: 0

      What the hell is it with some people always trying to put down Christianity. We get it you're an atheist. Shut up already you're not contributing to anything (article/discussion/your own argument).

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    2. Re:Explain the science behind "miracles"? by hobbit · · Score: 1

      Sybert42's comment was entirely on-topic, whereas yours was not.

      We get it you're bitter that you can't square your faith with your reason. Shut up already.

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    3. Re:Explain the science behind "miracles"? by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

      Ironically, that's exactly why those that believe they happened believe they are miracles. Because they "can't" happen...

    4. Re:Explain the science behind "miracles"? by Gyga · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      First how do you know I'm a Christian, I just hate how some people also turn a discussion in that direction (either way). Second how was he on topic, he said "explain science behind "miracles"" Then basically said state that biblical miracles are impossible. Science Teachers need to focus on subjects that are actually provable (evolution, gravity, ...) , you can't prove/disprove something that can't be tested/observed.

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    5. Re:Explain the science behind "miracles"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What the hell is it with some people always trying to put down Christianity. We get it you're an atheist. Shut up already you're not contributing to anything (article/discussion/your own argument).

      The people who make comments that offend you fall into two categories: Those who enjoy seeing you (over)react, and those who believe that they are contributing to the discussion by being funny or insightful.

      Your hypersensitivity only feeds trolls. Yelling at people to shut up makes you look like one. Cursing in every sentence almost guarantees that the post you are responding to is funnier and more insightful then the content you are responding to, no matter how unfunny or insightful it actually is.

    6. Re:Explain the science behind "miracles"? by Gyga · · Score: 1

      Actually posts that offend me fall into far more categories, i just don't react to them. These particular post are annoying in that there seems to be a surge in them. Ironically digg seems to have the opposite, a bunch of Christians "preaching" (for extremely loose definitions of preaching) to people they have no hope of converting.

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    7. Re:Explain the science behind "miracles"? by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      Shut up ya bitter atheist. There is no science behind miracles; that's what makes them miracles. You can never scientifically prove that water cannot turn into wine; science can never prove universal negative statements. You can only show that you ran a very large number of trials in which it failed to do so.

      And taking school funding and class time to run large numbers of trials that will only show that an utterly unexpected event fails to happen due to lack of any rational cause isn't really productive science of any sort.

    8. Re:Explain the science behind "miracles"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut the fuck up and go cannibalize your god. And maybe molest an alter boy while you're at it.

      Someone needs to put the jesus freaks back in the arena.

    9. Re:Explain the science behind "miracles"? by treeves · · Score: 1

      How seas can't just rise up.
      Cool. an experiment to disprove global warming. That should pique some interest. (It's a joke - don't get all riled up)

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    10. Re:Explain the science behind "miracles"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First part, my faith doesn't do communion, second we don't have alter boys ... or alters. As for the arenas, only if we can have a good old fashion atheist witch hunt and burning afterwards.

    11. Re:Explain the science behind "miracles"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      What the hell is it with some people always trying to put down Christianity. We get it you're an atheist. Shut up already you're not contributing to anything (article/discussion/your own argument).

      Wow.
      I put your post through Google's translator and got:

      Wahhh! Wahhh! You made fun of my invisible man! Waahh! Waaahh!! Don't shatter my myths! Waahhh Waahhhh!! Don't talk to me rationally! Waaahh! Help me, Jesus! Waaaahhhhh!!!

    12. Re:Explain the science behind "miracles"? by hobbit · · Score: 1

      First how do you know I'm a Christian

      I think it's likely, based on your lack of critical thinking. So, am I right? (Remember, denying your faith is not cool in the eyes of God.)

      Second how was he on topic, he said "explain science behind "miracles"" Then basically said state that biblical miracles are impossible

      Do you have any direct experience of any such miracles? Or are you relying on hearsay in your evaluation?

      Science Teachers need to focus on subjects that are actually provable (evolution, gravity, ...) , you can't prove/disprove something that can't be tested/observed.

      We can test whether it's possible for water to be turned into wine. It can't. If you have evidence to the contrary, I'd love to see it (it would turn science on its head).

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    13. Re:Explain the science behind "miracles"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A branch of Buddhism, tyvm. Not that it matters.

      I have no proof for or against these miracles, and miracles by there definition can't be disproven, therefore it is a waste of time for a teacher to even bother talking about them. For the OP to suggest thus is merely for trolling purposes.

      Have you tried every single possible method of turning water into wine? Until you do you can't say it is impossible, just very very very^(inf-1) unlikely.

    14. Re:Explain the science behind "miracles"? by hobbit · · Score: 1

      I have no proof for or against these miracles

      And therefore you consider the evidence for and against the miracles to have equal weight? Like I said: lack of critical thinking.

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  17. FIRST Robotics by wirelessjb · · Score: 2, Informative

    Form a FIRST robotics team. One of their goals is to get a FIRST team in every high school.

    1. Re:FIRST Robotics by bradgoodman · · Score: 1
      I strongly Concur! A first robotics team. If not, there are a ton of other FIRST teams, from the Jr. Lego League (7 year olds I beleive) way on up. The do Lego leagues, Vex leagues, and the collosal ones for the "First Robotics League".

      It doesn't matter if your a high school, or an elementary school Brownie troupe - there's a league for you!

      Check it out!

    2. Re:FIRST Robotics by robinesque · · Score: 1

      Team 675 represent! My high school's robotics team was equivalent to any other school's football team. If it hadn't been for that, school would've been another order of magnitude of suckage.

    3. Re:FIRST Robotics by fastest+fascist · · Score: 1

      What about a FIRST post team?

    4. Re:FIRST Robotics by Kranerian · · Score: 1

      I really wish that I had mod points for the parent here. Having been on a FIRST team myself, I cannot possibly overestimate the value of everything I learned and experienced there. The organization not only teaches students how to use science and technology, but also makes it extremely enjoyable.

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  18. Why? by Hao+Wu · · Score: 1

    I want my airbags tested by an enthusiastic teenager, not some beaten down engineer with years of backbreaking experience.

    All they need is the desire to succeed, in order to do bridge building or aeronautical design. Surgery too.

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    1. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want my airbags tested by an enthusiastic teenager

      I'm more enthusiastic about testing teenagers' airbags...

    2. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks, asshole.

  19. Get them to learn something new. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    The problem with high school science is that it is learning what has already been learned. You should try some experiments that you yourself and the rest of the world doesn't know what the outcome will be. So you have them run the experiments document them and try to get it published.

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    1. Re:Get them to learn something new. by dimeglio · · Score: 1

      In high school was convinced I could build a flying saucer just from a magazine article. The only thing I was missing was a terawatt laser. Don't aim too low. That being said, I also thought that the COBOL statement MOVE INVENTORY-IN TO INVENTORY-OUT involved robotics.

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    2. Re:Get them to learn something new. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Care to make some suggestions about experiments that will have unknown results but don't require exotic materials or something like a particle accelerator or DNA sequencing equipment that a high school is unlikely to have?

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    3. Re:Get them to learn something new. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      No I am an MBA I come up with the big picture it is up to others to get the details.

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    4. Re:Get them to learn something new. by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

      Don't aim too low.

      Especially with that terawatt laser. :)

    5. Re:Get them to learn something new. by Fallingcow · · Score: 1

      My wife's an elementary school teacher, and I've been toying with an idea a science lesson (or series of lessons) for her class: you create an artificial system based to one degree or another on natural systems that have already been dealt with by science, then present it to the kids and task them with finding things out about it from what they can sense.

      The point of all this is to have the kids do all the major parts of real science, rather than just data collection or setting up some pre-determined experiment or running a technology demonstration. Those things have their place, but I think it'd be valuable for the kids to see what actual science is, and to have to reason through and struggle with their problem to solve it, or at the very least research and apply the methods that were devised to tackle the real-life version of the problem.

      The only one I've come up with so far (and I haven't really developed it) is to put a spot on the floor in a gym or some other big space, and have that be the kids' "home planet", where they will stand to take measurements. Then, stick dots on stands some distance out, representing their sun and other celestial bodies. Move these around at set intervals (possibly over several days) to represent the passage of time, and have the kids determine things like the distance of these bodies from theirs, etc.

      The same thing could be done at a higher difficulty level (but with potential for more learning, and with higher fidelity to the real-life problems) using dots projected on a sheet across the room from them.

      I'm hoping to come up with some way to have them make their own instruments, too.

      Other lessons with the same basic premise could be made even more abstract from reality, to make them easier, or have physical laws modified to make truly fictional and alien systems (higher difficulty).

      Someone has to have done something like this before, but I haven't been able to find anything. Seems like a good alternative to finding honest-to-god real cutting-edge science for them to do, which I'd imagine is difficult to impossible (certainly would be for me) and is potentially a bit more interesting than many of the small-scale experiments they can do in a classroom (which, again, often turn in to scripted programs or technology demonstrations anyway)

    6. Re:Get them to learn something new. by Nyeerrmm · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately I think coming up with something truly new to do with high-school level equipment and a teacher's who doesn't spend a lot of their time doing research might be difficult.

      That said, rather than trying to do new science, contributing to experiments and observations in a way thats more involved than Folding@Home would be easier. My recommendation, because it's something I'm working on right now, is asteroid hunting. A decent robotic observatory with a ~3-4" scope can do it quite well. If you could find a local person who has a respectable setup and would be willing to donate a few nights on their equipment, it would be pretty straightforward.

      During the day you'd have the students pick out a dozen or two dozen sky segments, submit plans to the robotic site to image each section a couple of times, an hour apart. You get the pictures back the next day in class, compare the results and see if there are any moving objects in the field of view. If so, you've found yourself an asteroid. After this you can pick out its angular location from the known picture location, and with the time you can pick out its trajectory and compare it to databases that are out there, chances are good you'll have found something new. I know there are some articles on the internet that give better information, I'm still looking to set it up for a scope I'm working with. Also the chance of finding an asteroid is supposedly about 1 in 6 from any particular sky region.

  20. Extra Credit? by NickyGotz22 · · Score: 0

    As im sure your student will ask, what will I get for this "Extra Credit" and is it exchangeable for cash?

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  21. LOL LOL LOL by Bastard+of+Subhumani · · Score: 0, Troll

    LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL!

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    1. Re:LOL LOL LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hehe

  22. Get a boinc team going by pavelthesecond · · Score: 1

    Get them to join your team on Boinc and see how far up you can climb in rankings. Also, maybe give credit for students that earn most boinc credits?

    1. Re:Get a boinc team going by cos(0) · · Score: 1

      Also, maybe give credit for students that earn most boinc credits?

      That's dangerously close to discrimination based on socio-economic status. Those students with newest, fastest, and/or largest number of computers will get the highest credit.

  23. motivation by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

    If you want to motivate kids to learn computer science, show them that the computer can locate porn.

    If you want to motivate kids to learn chemistry, show them how to make meth.

    By the way, I am willing to consult for your educational system. My rates are quite reasonable.

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  24. HTINK / R&Diy / makenyc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is a new group in NYC, htink (www.htink.net) with a charter to assist in exactly this kind of thing. We recently had our first major event that helped 40 people bootstrap on electronics by providing freeduino build kits (an arduino clone) and then 2 workshops using the arduinos to run electrical components to produce pretty lights.

    We have found through makenyc (www.makenyc.org) that people learn best when:

    1) They are in a team of 3-5 people
    2) They feel like there is little or no competition
    3) They know that on completion of the project, they will have something to take home.

    For makenyc for instance, our recent project of building boats and racing them taught composite building techniques, hydrodynamic concepts, and participants left with a practical feel for how different boat designs and materials work.

    -Eric Moore - www.htink.net

  25. How? by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let them blow up stuff. Really. They still may not like science afterward, but they'll have fun and it will weed out the stupid.

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    That is all.
    1. Re:How? by jd · · Score: 1

      There may still be some videos on YouTube of a chemistry lecture series done by the late Dr. John Salthouse from the University of Manchester. He ran a series of lectures which demonstrated all kinds of ways to blow things up. Liquid oxygen on rich tea biscuits (a UK cookie) was one of his favourites. Igniting steel wool with a 9v battery was another. There might be something that could be used in a high school that would be impressive enough and still legal.

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    2. Re:How? by electrosoccertux · · Score: 1

      I'll second that. Electrolyzing water is easy and makes a minor ex/implosion; we used a 100mL beaker. Was plenty of fun to entertain us 6th graders
      Other stuff we did:
      -we were put in groups and learned about flux, magnets, etc; and created a DC motor. The length of the rotating armature, and the number of windings we used was up to us.
      -had to research and build our own electrostatic generator. Only about half of the groups' generators worked, the best one was able to produce 1/2" sparks.

  26. Model Rocketry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I did a rocketry project one year in physics and found out later that my teacher included it in his curriculum every year thereafter.

  27. There was a program in my high school by nine-times · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When I was in high school, there was some kind of pilot program that I participated in where we helped do actual scientific research.

    Now I have no idea how they set it up or whether our work was ever actually taken seriously by anyone, since I was just a student at the time. I didn't have insight into that sort of thing. But the setup was that the teacher was put in touch with an organization that did research regarding weather patterns. We were given access to collect remote data from various weather stations, and even helped set up a few weather stations ourselves.

    So at the beginning of the year, the organization and the teacher worked out some projects which involved a fair amount of grunt work and not a lot of expertise (i.e. something a group of students might have some hope of doing) but that might possibly be helpful to the organization (at least supposedly). We were given a few options of different questions we might pursue, and then started collecting data under the supervision of the teacher, who I believe was something of a meteorologist to begin with.

    After a semester or year, whichever it was, we tried to pull together everything we'd done all year, analyze the data, and come up with a report to send to this organization, attempting to answer the question they asked us to research.

    Looking back, I would be very surprised if our work was at all useful to anyone. In fact, I have no doubt that the report very quickly found its way into the circular file, though they may have kept some of the data we collected for their own purposes. But at the time, that really didn't matter. It was kind of thrilling anyway.

    I don't think it was thrilling because of the science itself. Weather was far less interesting to me than something like relativity or quantum mechanics. What was thrilling about it was:

    1. We were trying to find an actual answer to a question where no one knew the answer. This wasn't one of those experiments where they have you mix NaOH and HCl and at the end the teacher tells you that the correct answer was "you made salt water". It was something where the teacher himself couldn't say what we were going to find before we started.
    2. It was (theoretically) actually useful research. We weren't just spinning our wheels doing busy work. Most of the time, me and my friends would make a bond fire at the end of each school year and throw all of our papers and homework on it because none of that stuff mattered or meant anything. But with this program, we were given the impression that the report would be stored someplace as real research that might actually be useful to someone at some point.
    1. Re:There was a program in my high school by Bowling+Moses · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I happen to be on the other end of this. The lab I work in participates in a youth apprenticeship program with the local school district, and one of the options for the gifted and talented students that get into the program is biotechnology. For the last year and a half I've had a high school student assisting me (16 hours a week, full time in summer) on some of the research projects I'm working on (I'm a postdoctoral research associate in entomology). Through his lab work and a weekly 4 hour lab course he's learned quite a few skills. Cloning techniques, site-directed mutagenesis, how to do SDS-PAGE and acrylamide gel electrophoresis (non-bio people: put gene of interest into vector and then into bacteria, make specific mutation in gene, separate out proteins and DNA fragments by size), how to make up solutions, sterile technique, a bit of raising insects, and other basic molecular biology techniques. That and of course fill tip boxes and wash and autoclave labware, which is just as fun as it sounds. I try to keep it non-repetitive and introduce new things when he's mastered old, and his doing of more grunt work gives me time to do other things once I'm sure he's okay on his own for a given technique. Not many high school students are capable of operating at the level he's at. However the lab's been doing this for quite a few years now and all of the students leave with at least a good introduction to basic molecular biology techniques and what science is really like: if you only had to do it once it'd be search, not REsearch. I don't think they've ended up as authors on papers as of yet, but they do help keep the lab running. Some have been given mini-projects that have been of backburner project interest level, some of which now are being pursued by graduate students. So yes in the right environment high school students can make a contribution to real research.

    2. Re:There was a program in my high school by nine-times · · Score: 1

      That sounds terrific.

      Part of the reason for my post is that I'm generally of the opinion that teenagers would do better if we made better use of them. To some people that might sound opportunistic or something, like I'm advocating taking advantage of teenagers for slave labor, but I just mean we should probably stop treating them like useless idiots. If you're constantly treating young adults like they can't possibly do anything right or have anything useful to offer, then they might just live up to those expectations.

      I bet your apprenticeship program really helps those students.

    3. Re:There was a program in my high school by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Not many high school students are capable of operating at the level he's at."

      In my experience not many grad students, post-docs or professional lab engineers are capable of that. Especially the filling up tip boxes part... =)

  28. Cross disciplinary approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Show them how to brew up some explosives. Extra bonus points if they use them to bomb Federal buildings. With that approach you combine science and government. Your colleagues will love you for fostering a cross discplinary approach to education.

  29. Adam Savage's View by Nos. · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Adam Savage (from Mythbusters), wrote an article in Popular Mechanics a few months ago talking about science the US education system.

    1. Re:Adam Savage's View by petes_PoV · · Score: 1
      'cept these guys are not scientists - they're 90% entertainers and 10% engineers. They don't do experiments (despite what the shows might say), they produce demonstrations where the main criterion is to have an outcome that is "camera friendly".

      I can tell they don't do any science as none of their work is every repeated - they do something once, then call that the result. They usually know beforehand what the outcome will be. They never account for all the variables in a situation and almost never produce numerical answers.

      While it's entertaining enough (apart from the loud, grating guy and the other one with the dumb facial hair), don't let anyone persuade you that it's what scientists do.

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    2. Re:Adam Savage's View by wdsci · · Score: 1

      They do follow the basic principle of science, though, namely that if you want to find out how the world works, you try stuff out, rather than believing whatever you hear from people. Which, given the way a lot of people seem to think, may be an improvement. (Also, ever seen the episode on tenderizing meat? That was a lot more scientific than most of the stuff on the show... numerical results and repetition and all that.)

    3. Re:Adam Savage's View by hack++slash · · Score: 1

      Mythbusters? pfff, everyone knows Smash Lab is where the real science is at!

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    4. Re:Adam Savage's View by WastedMeat · · Score: 1
      The Mythbusters have no room to talk. It is better that children are watching this sort of stuff instead of whatever the current Fox rotation is, but you cannot call it science nor them scientists.

      They once were attempting to blow up a port-a-john with methane, and were amazed that a 10% mix with air worked best. Eleventh grade chemistry says CH_4 + 2 O_2 = CO_2 + 2 H_2 O, and O_2 is about 21% of the atmosphere. They make no attempt whatsoever to reason through a hypothesis, and jump straight to the explosions. Science is about understanding the underlying principles, not just cataloging the observations.

      In the article to which the parent linked, they mention that a kid pointed out that they should try comparing a vehicle's open-windows vs. AC efficiencies at a faster speed. It says in the user's manual of my car that the AC is more efficient at speeds over 55 mph. It is certainly ok to reinvent the wheel for educational purposes, but these guys rarely do any research in advance, and don't even try to understand what they are testing.

      They just try something, see what happens, and learn nothing aside from the fact that something happened. This is the worst kind of science. It is analogous to having tables of empirical accelerations for tested masses and forces in place of F=ma.

  30. Start much earlier by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    I have been thinking about this and have realized that I grew up with science and math being pushed. Today, it is legal, Liberal Arts, and business "real world" garbage that is pushed. Our society needs to go back to the 40's, 50's, and 60's when kids learned science/math in a real fashion.

    I have also thought about the fact that we had real science kits. Over the last 8 years, we have been turned into a nation of cheerleaders and flag wavers (literally). We need to get past this fear garbage and bring back science kits. That includes chemistry, electronics, etc.

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    1. Re:Start much earlier by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      I hate the idea that everyone is cut out for science, math, or even graduation. Even in your idealized 50's (which is fiction) there was no shortage of drop-outs, brain dead curriculum, cheating, home economics, etc.

      The direction the modern world has taken is for the best. There are tons of electronics kits out there and those who want them can get them. There's tons of great programs like FIRST robotics. Computer Science is alive and well. Math is doing fine, thanks for asking. Those who care will find their way to them.

      Dont blame school because 50% of humanity is mostly ignorant dullards. They will eventually find their way into low level bureaucratic positions, government jobs, or manual labor. Schools cant teach character, drive, compassion, or smarts.

      What people who idealize the past are afraid of is a society that is actually a meritocracy. Sorry, but its here and its not going away. Dont blame society because your son is an idiot.

    2. Re:Start much earlier by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Let me guess, you are a product of the current generation.

      First, my 2 y.o. is VERY advanced for his age. The fact that you would take potshots at a child speaks a lot about you and your upbringing. Basically, you are a coward.

      Second, the 50's REQUIRED ALL STUDENTS TO TAKE A CERTAIN LEVEL. Yes, there were drop outs. But it was to support the family, not because the kids were lazy. In addition, even back then, the schools PUSHED excellence and rewarded those teachers that pushed it.Now, the unions put all teachers on same level. There is NO WHERE the diversity in electronics, electricity, chem, or even physics kits that we had back in the 60's and 70's, let alone even in the 80's. And when I see what has happened to chem kits over the last 8 years, I am disgusted. Math is doing fine? You kidding? I had algebra back in 8th grade and college Calc in high school sophomore year. Most of the kids in my school had algebra as sophomores. NOW, kids are lucky to exit high school with algebra. Up to par? Give me a break.

      Finally, as to competition, there was plenty of competition through time. In fact, to be honest, I would say that there is less competition today then ever before. The reason is that nations such as China and India have fixed their money against dollars (ultimately all western currencies) and pull jobs away predicated on low costs. If it was really competitive, the world would handle things in similar fashion as the west does; open borders and freely traded money. The west is not fully open, but more than most will admit.

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    3. Re:Start much earlier by abbyful · · Score: 1

      Schools are not adequately providing education for students.

      We need to stop blindly passing all students up through the grades, regardless if they have learned the material or not. Some ideas to improve education actually would condone/reward this behavior. For example, if teachers were paid based on how their students performed on standardized tests that year, and if they have slow students that should be held back a year, they aren't going to want to do it.

      And we also need to concentrate on gifted students and teaching styles that benefit them. I'm all for having a "slow" class and a "fast" class. Yes, there are AP classes in high school, but in junior high and grade school, everyone is kept at the same level. The lack of challenges for gifted students often contributes to them lacking drive and motivation.

  31. How about Foldit? by modemboy · · Score: 1

    There is a 3d protein folding game called Foldit that would be appropriate:
    http://fold.it/portal/info/science

    It is an experiment to see if human problem and puzzle solving can be superior in ways to the existing protein folding projects like Rosetta@Home, Folding@home, etc.
    But besides that you get to learn in a visual way about proteins and solve real problems.

  32. Or you could not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you want them to actually learn something and apply themselves, recommend interactive science software like Fold It (http://fold.it/). Otherwise, how about not encouraging them to waste so much power.

    Or at least have a classroom discussion on the relative merits of using things like BOINC, vs the fossil fuels that ultimately power them. Ethics in science is virtually untouched in the schools I've attended.

  33. Well Duh by JumpDrive · · Score: 1

    Show them a salary survey for Scientists and Engineers.
    Compare these salaries to the ones that are obtained working at Mac Donalds.
    Don't mention MBA salaries.

    1. Re:Well Duh by petes_PoV · · Score: 1

      But don't show them the success rate for graduates applying for science jobs

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  34. Real Science by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

    I've always been interested in Real Science. How do I code up my own perfect, obedient, all-powerful chick with great tits and a great ass?

  35. My high school... by Panaflex · · Score: 1

    At my high school there was a normal Physics class, but a separate after school lab. Our teacher lured us in with free computers, and challenged us with experiments while we were there. The lab has oscilloscopes, a/d converters, lasers, electronics - basically a physics funhouse.

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    I said no... but I missed and it came out yes.
  36. Here you go by geekoid · · Score: 1

    have them build a wiki for the express purpose of getting science information being used in high schools all around the world.
    Break it up in a manner that looks at each topic scientifically, and easy enough to read for the grade
    That way they need to learn about how science works.

    Done correctly, and kids could be adding there own experiment and finding things they like in science for years to come.
    In fact, it could be used to generate a curriculum for science classes..a FREE curriculum.
    Freshmen could be tasked with picking a subject and fact checking it. A very powerful skill.

    This could improve US high school dramatically, and you could start it.

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  37. 3 step solution by Nicolas+MONNET · · Score: 1

    Step 1: have them sign a statement to the effect that they donate their body to science
    Step 2: shoot them
    Step 3: if necessary, shoot them again

    Mission accomplished!

    1. Re:3 step solution by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Please disregard this advice. Bullets do a lot of damage to otherwise-useful organs.

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  38. Golf clap by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    Very nice reference - obscure; appropriate. Hadn't thought about Weird Science in many years.

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  39. Scientific Progress Goes "BOINC"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah... I got nothing.

    1. Re:Scientific Progress Goes "BOINC"? by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 1

      Damn, you beat me to it - that was the very first thing I thought of when I RTFA.

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  40. ONE "WORD" by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Funny

    Pr0n

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    Never been known to fail..."
  41. Prime numbers by Mini-Geek · · Score: 1

    This is a bit more mathematics than general science, but I'd suggest GIMPS for a chance to find a huge prime or, if they're more interested in actually finding a prime than searching for an enormous one, I'd suggest No Prime Left Behind (NPLB).

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    do {print "Mini-Geek Rules!\n";}
    until ($TheEndOfTheWorld);
  42. You are teaching them science is boring. Stop it! by tlambert · · Score: 5, Informative

    You are teaching them science is boring. Stop it!

    BOINC is interesting if your machine finds the aliens, and actually told you it did.

    Galaxy Zoo is for when there is no fresh paint to watch dry.

    In my physics classes in high school we DID things, and then we explained the math behind them, and why that was physics. Most interesting physics demonstrations involve statics, harmonic oscillation, analytical mechanics - physical motion - or at least the interesting ones do.

    Sometimes we'd just start the week with letting people ask questions about things that made them curious that might be related to physics.

    Here's a list of projects we did, and which your students could do:

    - build bridges out of balsa wood to demonstrate statics principles and the ability to bear loads (by loading them up until they break)
    - build water balloon catapults and see who throws the balloons farthest
    - build ping-pong ball alcohol canons
    - launch model rockets, preferably with instrument payloads
    - build hover crafts using vacuum cleaner motors and race them down the hallway past the principals office
    - build a Focault's pendulum to demonstrate rotation of the earth
    - put a bowing ball on the end of a rope and show it doesn't smack you in the face because you let it go and it doesn't get energy added to the system on its way back
    - demonstrate the coefficient of sliding friction with a triangle block, a square block with a hile drilled through it, some twine tied through the hole, and a fishing scale
    - build a model roller coaster
    - build a tesla coil and use it to shoot aluminum rings cut from the ends of pipes up in the air
    - build a blower box with an orange traffic cone glued on top and float a ball there to demonstrate Bernoulli's principle
    - dig out the switch/relay/light boxes from the 1960's classes and wire them all together to build an adder
    - use a Van de Graff generator to make people's hair stand out straight from their heads
    - show them a Newton's Cradle execu-toy
    - put grapes in a microwave oven to demonstrate plasmas
    - make little boats with wedges in their backs, stick pieces of soap there, and race them to demonstrate surface tension
    - spin buckets of water without the water falling out
    - shock people with Leyden jars
    - build a Wimshurst generator
    - build a Sterling cycle engine with a bicycle wheel and rubber bands

    And that is just stuff we DID, off the top of my head, 20+ years ago -- stuff I still REMEMBER to this day, in my day job as a SCIENTIST -- because I had a great physics teacher in High School.

    -- Terry

  43. And of course.. by bADlOGIN · · Score: 1

    Don't show them all the bad offshore outsourcing news either...

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  44. Three words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Science Friday Videos".

    They do a great job of explaining.

  45. protein folding puzzle video game by pplusk · · Score: 1

    Have them play a puzzle game that solves protein folding problems that can't be solved by computer algorithms. http://fold.it/portal/

  46. Duh: Just teach them the basics: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the DIY physics of how to create life, food, fire, weapons, mobility, money, sanctuary, security and how to hack anon free Wi-Fi...
    The will love you their everlasting lives, forever!!!

  47. Re:Model Rocketry - TARC by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    http://www.rocketcontest.org/

    It's an annual competition, and it geared towards getting 11-18 year olds into aerospace sciences. Many vendors in the model rocketry business give discounts to TARC teams, including building supplies, engines, design software, and flight electronics. There's a whole range of participation from the most simple to very complex. There may even be a local rocketeer, NAR (http://www.nar.org/) section, or Tripoli (http://www.tripoli.org/) prefecture close by who can help with the technical details. Membership in one of the national clubs brings a 1M+ insurance policy and a helpful intro magazine.

    There's all sorts of ways to gauge progress, and lots of intermediate steps that can be used for credit (calc the launch profile by hand; code a basic simulator; determine Isp of the engines you use; design the rocket with cp and cg calcs; design a shock mount and test it). The involvement can be quite wide if you want to involve lots of disciplines -chemistry, physics, history are easy ones, but you can grab english if you add Vernesque literature, biology if you want to discuss spaceflight limitations, government if you want to get in to political treaties and regulation.

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  48. beware of real science by fermion · · Score: 1
    The first bit of real science I was involved in, as were most of the science people I know, involved cleaning up after the the real real scientists. The as time progressed I was allowed to do other exciting tasks such as putting lugging and putting together equipment, and sitting next to a machine making sure it was working correctly and collecting data. Other real scientists I know weighed hundred of small rocks, or went to the library and copied dozens of articles. In other words, if you want to get students involved in real science, try to get them to a real lab as gophers. This is the same for students who wants to do real art, or real business. They will hear genuine chatter, see genuine methodology, and learn from genuine mistakes. If the find this boring, they will learn that science is not for them. I myself helped in a lab as a small tyke and thought it was the most wonderful place in the world. Summer interns or courses are available for most of that age range at many universities.

    But that may not be answer wanted. Real science involves curious observation of something that does not comply with known assumption, systematic study to verify the validity of the observation, and, if valid, further observations to relate the disparate fact to the broader laws, resulting in modified or restructured laws. So to do real science all a student has to do is go out into the world, write down things he or she does not understand, and the research the topic until some degree of understanding emerges. Extra credit will of course be given for any observations made, as long as the description is detailed and accurate. In science observation is half the battle, that is why it was so important for scientists to learn how to draw. More extra credit is given for real research using secondary sources, and then primary experimentation. For an 11 year old, the question would be why does the hot water run out. For a older girl, why does some makeup make me break out. Perhaps a new driver might want to know why we have school zones.

    This may not be an answer either. So we have applied science where we take emerging technologies and use them in practice to help establish validity and create new stuff, or to find new phenomenon. This is what the question seems to be alluding to. For instance, so cleaver person realized that we would see a drop in light when a planet passes in front of the sun. Know any scientist can apply that insight to postulate new planets. We have the technology to look for non-random signals from space that we would postulate indicate life forms. We can take accessible robotics to create new structures. The galaxy zoo is fun because it teaches kids organization. Other examples of this are organizations that over a few years has kids build suborbital rockets, or design and build other projects. These tend to be sexy and attract those that want something they can hold in their hands.

    Science is also about becoming an expert in a field. An 11 year old that knows everything about dinosaurs, or galaxies has experienced the joy of being an expert. A senior who can work through newtons laws or work in vapour pressure tables has experienced such joy. One thing we can do as teachers, which is seldom emphasized, is allow a student to delve deeply into a single area and become an expert. Like the middle school student who has learned dinosaurs, the knowledge may never be applied to a real problem, but the experience of learning, developing, and categorizing the knowledge is important in itself.

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  49. Build pollution detectors by anphilip · · Score: 2, Informative

    GPS chips, arduinos, and sensors that can detect pollution are cheap. http://www.instructables.com/id/How-To-Smell-Pollutants/ Get students to create a mash-up map of their local environmental pollution hotspots by wearing a portable detector around.

  50. Re:You are teaching them science is boring. Stop i by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

    use a Van de Graff generator to make people's hair stand out straight from their heads

    My physics teacher didn't have hair, so we used the Van de Graff generator to make sparks jump from my finger to his head. Much more fun...

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  51. Research in Labs for the Future Scientists by vortex2.71 · · Score: 1

    I think that while the average student should just learn the science as best they can. There are often good research opportunities for the superstars. Most university and industry labs would be happy to mentor smart high school students in research projects. There are lots of summer programs set up for high school students to do research. Simply search for them in your locality or consider contacting local universities and companies doing research. They need to be willing to do some grunt work in exchange for the experience, though. Its worth noting that many of these pay wages that are much better than the average highschooler usually gets. Its still worthwhile to the company because $10 per hour is still a lot less than the $25 an hour that most postdocs get or $50 an hour that professionals get.

  52. Science in the real world is NOT that interesting by petes_PoV · · Score: 4, Funny
    It mostly involves attending meetings to try and get funding for your next year, or your research students (they're the people who actually *do* the work) or that piece of equipment you want/need. To do this you have to sell your case and make it appear better, more cost-effective, likely to bring credit, than all the other scientists who are after the same money and are therefore trying to discredit your proposal.

    When you're not doing that, you are desperately trying to find a new angle on old data to write a paper for publication. You need to do this in order to keep your reputation (and therefore pay and ability to get funding) hot. Once written, you'll spend more time trying to get it published somewhere, or peer-reviewing some other guy's paper.

    Almost never will you get into the lab, and even when you do most of your time will be spent setting up, calibrating, tweaking, debugging and modifying your equipment. The chances of you making a discovery that will be named after you are infinitesimally small, as all the good ones are already taken. Even then, you'll probably be dead before anyone recognises the contribution you have made - or the true value of your work.

    You best bet, if you want your children to become successful scientists, is to teach them how to stay awake in meetings, diss their colleagues while appearing to be friendly, engaging in office politics, learning to recognise who to scmooze and kiss up to and marketing old ideas with a new spin - every year for the rest of their careers.

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  53. Hey teacher, leave them kids alone! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just teach the the basics of science eg physics. Leave research projects to those who have their own original ideas (like the weather balloon experiment) or those on the cutting edge of science. Too much research done in science is bs to pad resumes and academic careers. Besides research is extremely boring (unless you are the PI).

  54. this was pretty neat and teaches too by grand601 · · Score: 1
  55. Blow shit up by Ronald+Dumsfeld · · Score: 1

    Seriously, blow shit up. NOTHING gets a bored teenager more interested in science of any kind than an explosion.

    Don't worry about the smart kids, unless - like me - they figure out how to make something like silver acetelide, con the lab assistant into handing out the needed chemicals, and then sprinkle the aforementioned unstable compound all over your desk.

    If you really want to push the physics aspect of it, start something like a model rocketry club/group. Hell, you can even start out with a 2-litre coke bottle with water and pumping air into it. There's a lot of science in doing something as simple as that and seeing how high the bottle flies.

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    1. Re:Blow shit up by godrik · · Score: 1

      good idea, send them to visit the LHC when it will be up again.

    2. Re:Blow shit up by knarfling · · Score: 1

      No, no, no, no.
      Remember, he wants to INVOLVE the kids. I see three options.

      1. Blow up the kids. They can't get more involved than that. Start with the trouble makers. Extra points for making it look like an accident or for making it look like one of the other kids tried to make it look like an accident.

      2. ASSIGN the kids to blow things up. Make sure that the instructions on what to blow up cannot be traced back to you. Track their progress by the number and size of the explosions.

      3. (Advanced class) Assign the kids to make big breakthroughs like energy blasters, working lightsabers, working anti-gravity generators, working fusion reactor and so on. Make sure that they sign all rights to you before they start. Again, track progress by number and size of explosions.

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  56. Ok, I'll bite. by jd · · Score: 1
    • Great Egg Race projects. Easy to establish a problem in physics and engineering that students can solve that are hard enough to be challenging and which do something that is obviously interesting.
    • Astronomy. There's plenty of Open Source code for creating images for amateur astronomy. What there isn't (at least, as far as I know) is any software for doing visible light interferometry. Set up a cluster of telescopes (they're cheap enough) and get the students to link them together as a single interferometry array. Also gives them something to show on a website, as space pics are (as others have noted) always popular.
    • Chaos Theory. Always good for some fun. Lorenz Waterwheels can be built for real, they are not just theoretical. But can you take a specific mathematical model and translate it into the corresponding physical model?
    • Archaic physics. Also always good for some fun. It turns out to be quite difficult to build a simple A-Frame and pulley system to lift 50 tonne stones. Most attempts have failed, although the correct technique must be close to what is being tried. Can the students fix the bugs before they get squished like bugs?
    • There is currently no physical or chemical model which can tell you what colour a pottery glaze will produce when fired, either in a modern kiln (which is oxidizing) or in an archaic kiln (which is reducing). By simulating the physics of what is taking place and the physics of optics, see if it is possible to produce some sort of a model, even if not universal or terribly accurate, that is better than the try-and-see method that potters currently use.
    • Semiconductors. We know that it's possible to make graphene with nothing more than pencil lead and lors of scotch tape. But what, exactly, ARE the semiconductor properties of graphene? How do these change with temperature? (Liquid nitrogen isn't hard to get hold of.)
    • High-Energy Physics. Once you're done with graphene, we know that scotch tape is an excellent source of X-Rays - when in a partial vaccuum. What energies can be produced? Do these change with a change in the level of vaccuum? What other factors might change the energies?
    • We all know about building a paper structure that can contain a raw egg, be dropped off a building, and have the egg intact at the end. But paper isn't terribly rigid. How far can you scale such models? Which models scale the best? How many eggs can you pack in in any given model?
    • Fluid Dynamics. There are well over 1,500 "commonly used" aerofoils published. It's not hard to make these and attach them to springs to measure forces, and if the Wright Brothers could make a wind tunnel using a bicycle and fan blades, so can a student. Compare the observations with what you'd expect based on different mathematical models (eg: the Bernouli Effect).
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  57. Safe science is gay by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let them use proper explosives, and let them make their own thermites, black powder or napalms. They'll develop an aptitude for chemistry (and perhaps an appreciation of medicine).
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napalm
    Let them play with a decently-sized ballista, trebuchet, or onager. They'll learn all about dynamics and ballistics, wind resistance, action-reaction (the onager kicks a bit), and the delivery of kinetic energy via projectile.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballista
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trebuchet
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onager_(siege_weapon)
    However, if they combine the explosives with the projectiles, their neighbours will study the law.
    [Yes, I had a dangerously mis-spent childhood, and turned into a chemical engineer]

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    1. Re:Safe science is gay by LavaDog · · Score: 1

      Why is this getting modded as funny? It's true, safe science really is gay.

      Unless you really really like math then science isn't very interesting unless you get hooked on it some how.

    2. Re:Safe science is gay by nitroamos · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Perhaps ironically since now i do computation, what made the most difference in my life as far as getting me interested in science was:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Anarchist_Cookbook

      which i could find online. i didn't care about hacking phones or whatever. but i used this to help me understand all the chemicals i could get my hands on at the local drug stores. fortunately, i couldn't hurt myself too much, since where I lived it is illegal to sell nitric acid to people without a license or something. however, i was able to get my hands on or make two highly exciting substances:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_carbide
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_triiodide
      sodium metal

    3. Re:Safe science is gay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I know there are some people that think making explosives is not a good idea, and they have some valid points.
      However, as the only person in my chemistry class who practiced chemistry at all (making lots of things, including explosives) out of the classroom, I had a major advantage over my classmates who had only experience reading from a book when it came time for lab work.

      I don't think this only applies to explosives though, that just happens to be what most boys like. The problem as I see it is applying what is done in class to the real world. Sure, measuring the heat of enthalpy of a reaction is great, and it is done in the real world, but it's not quite the same as synthesizing asprin or esters or soap. Getting something tangible out of careful scientific measurements and experiments is far more rewarding than just good data and grades. This is especially true for memorizing what certain lab equipment and chemicals do. It's hard to forget what a Florence flask or Vigreux column do when you have tried fractional distillation without them, and seen how difficult it was.

      The same applies in other areas too, in physics for instance; building bridges can teach a lot more about statics than just calculations. Or, as you said, building small scale siege weapons. They'll have fun, and learn a whole different set of skills than they can from a book.
      (posting anonymous because I modded the parent up)

    4. Re:Safe science is gay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Just because they are explosives doesn't mean that it's unsafe. In high school, our science club went around to the elementary schools to show off different science principles. A lot of them involved explosions and fire. Examples include: blowing up hydrogen gas balloons, exploding paint-can methane candles, showing gas densities by pouring methanol gas down a ramp onto fire, blowing up corn starch, etc. We wouldn't have been able to do all of those if we didn't keep it under control and keep it safe.

      Also, other demonstrations that definitely capture kids' attentions are: bed of nails, breaking cinder blocks with your chest and a sledgehammer, tesla coil in one hand and a fluorescent bulb in another, cornstarch and water goop, playing with dry ice.

    5. Re:Safe science is gay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      True. Story. We made thermite in physics class and blew up a microwave. Also, we're building a sustainable heating economy for the entire state, and have done the research to back our proposals (some of which have already resulted in legislation).

    6. Re:Safe science is gay by joh6nn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      i would seriously appreciate it if you could find a different pejorative.

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    7. Re:Safe science is gay by dprovine · · Score: 1

      I'm not crazy about your pejorative, but I agree that experiments should be attention-getting.

      If you want something impressive, then you should get Backyard Ballistics, an entire book about stuff you can build (tennis ball mortars, potato cannons, etc).

      But I'm not sure this is really what the questioner is asking about: he wants "real science", which seems to mean "ongoing science problems that are actually being researched right now", not "science demonstrations that show stuff we all already know".

      Is there "open source science" that high school kids can be part of?

    8. Re:Safe science is gay by ILuvRamen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I second that one! I specifically took what I learned in chemistry and did this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMITFo66qWg and no, the grass still hasn't grown back lol

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    9. Re:Safe science is gay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you forgotten all the knuckleheads back in high school?

    10. Re:Safe science is gay by Secret+Rabbit · · Score: 1

      And lets not worry about liability at all.

      And yes, I made gun/black-powder among other things when I was young too. But, expecting that to be endorsed by the educational institution is somewhat stupid.

    11. Re:Safe science is gay by supernova_hq · · Score: 2, Funny

      We made thermite in physics class and blew up a microwave. Also, we're building a sustainable heating economy for the entire state...

      Just how much thermite did you PUT in that microwave?!?

    12. Re:Safe science is gay by Andypcguy · · Score: 1

      While Marlowe make be making a joke...he does have a good point. High school science is too low risk and unexciting. Have the kids work out force vectors, combustion rate and all the science behind explosives. You will undoubtedly find some very interested participants.

    13. Re:Safe science is gay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you the person who also decided that we could only have safe, non-offensive or scary experiments in science classes?

    14. Re:Safe science is gay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, he's a turd burglar.

    15. Re:Safe science is gay by snarfies · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Sorry!

      Safe science is homosexual.

      I hope you feel better now.

    16. Re:Safe science is gay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i would seriously appreciate it if you could find a different pejorative.

      we'd all seriously appretiate it if you'd stop being such a fagg0t..

    17. Re:Safe science is gay by tnk1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm with you on that one. I find that there is absolutely nothing joyous or happy about safe science.

    18. Re:Safe science is gay by Rogue974 · · Score: 1

      HEY! You stole my life story! Grow up blowing things up, breaking things, making things to more efficently break things, make bombs that break the things that you made to break things to hide the evidence of the illegal activities...I may have said too much! ;P

      And voila, out comes a Chemical Engineer! I have said it many time, if a Chemical Engineer tells you he has never blown things up and lit things on fire, he is lieing to you.

      Just had to say hello to a fellow former delinquent now turned Chem Eng.

    19. Re:Safe science is gay by mqduck · · Score: 1

      FYI, IIRC, The Anarchist Cookbook contains a few recipes that are flawed and can kill you if followed. The author has asked it to be taken out of publication for this reason. There are persistent rumors that the CIA or whoever wrote the book in order to kill potential revolutionaries (AKA bored 14-year-old).

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    20. Re:Safe science is gay by mqduck · · Score: 1

      Political correctness is *so* Jewish.

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    21. Re:Safe science is gay by ROU+Nuisance+Value · · Score: 1

      we'd all seriously appretiate it if you'd stop being such a fagg0t..

      We'd all seriously appreciate it if you'd stop being an anonymous slack-jawed yokel Nazi bitch who can't spell. If it wouldn't be too much trouble.

    22. Re:Safe science is gay by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      hmmm. I was going to suggest a meth lab followed by a field trip to Amsterdam to spend the earnings but your idea is probably safer.

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    23. Re:Safe science is gay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      don't forget model rockets

    24. Re:Safe science is gay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is not the place for you over sensitive types. That being said, that's so gay

    25. Re:Safe science is gay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I totally agree... I realized how cool Chemistry was the day I watched my 7th grade science teacher use HCl + zinc to fill a balloon with hydrogen and blow it up = )

  58. Video games, foo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would think that as a physics teacher, you could foster some motivation by explaining the amount of physics used in many types of video games. This could be used to create interest in mathematics, as in order to get anywhere with computer programming a strong math foundation is essential, and many children (not just the boys anymore) spend at least some time playing video games. If kids knew how much math was needed to actually make video games, they may become more interested and we may even see a rise in the number of math and computer science majors...

  59. Get them involved first by meridoc · · Score: 1

    Running computer programs is nice, and might help out someone else (if they're watching). Chances are that the kids won't get much from it.

    Instead, have them do something they want to do. When I was in high school, there was a program for chemistry and physics (over two years), and the fourth quarter of Year #2 you did independent work on whatever you wanted in the chem/phys realm.

    Of course there were rules and regulations. At the beginning of Year #2, we had to submit a list of possible topics, then submit somewhat fleshed-out versions of 5, then finally pick one (with instructor approval, of course). During Year #2, each quarter we had to submit a reading list of possible sources for our projects (10-20 per quarter, I think). If you changed subjects, you had to re-do the reading list. During class, you could do whatever you needed to (read stuff, work on tests, pick the instructor's brain). At the end of the year, you had to submit your write up (with appropriate citations), along with some sort of physical object (model airplanes and the wings you shaped, rusted and cleaned metal plates, videotape of the giant jello pool you were studying for wave actions, etc.) to go with your project.

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  60. Astronomy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are several astronomy-related organizations that do exactly this:

    Variable star observations:
    http://www.aavso.org/

    Occultation timings:
    http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/objects/occultations/3304051.html

    Radio astronomy:
    http://www.radio-astronomy.org/projects

    Projects coordinated by the Astronomy League:
    http://www.astroleague.org/al/news/proam/proam2.html

    Transitsearch:
    http://aas.org/archives/BAAS/v36n2/aas204/44.htm

    Ideas from Pennsylvania JAS:
    http://www.astro.psu.edu/~kluhman/pjas/projectexamples.html

    And don't forget the IYA initiatives:
    http://astronomy2009.us/projects/

  61. Mod Parent Up. by maillemaker · · Score: 1

    To me, one of the biggest downers of doing experiments in any science class was that I knew that what I was doing was trivial and had been done before. There was no real reason to do the experiment as the outcome was already known. Since I was quite willing to believe the peer-reviewed and much-previously-repeated scientific material at face value, I did not feel I needed to waste my time rubbing my nose in the hard experimental evidence. Yes, Virginia, I really do believe that if I mix this goo with this other goo a precipitate will form, just as it has for everyone else who's done it since the mid 1800's or so.

    If we are going to do some experimentation, let's experiment with stuff where the answer isn't known! Now THAT would be interesting.

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    1. Re:Mod Parent Up. by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 1
      While I agree with the sentiment, the reality is that students need to develop understanding of the fundamental principles of science before they can advance to the cutting edge.

      More subtlely, though, is that by demonstrating directly to the student each major facet of scientific knowledge you free them from 'faith' knowledge. Science students don't need to take our word for it that water is polarised - they can see with their own eyes that an electric charge will deflect a water stream. The veil must be torn so that science does not merely become another religion.

      Ask yourself, how many people who use a microwave everyday actually understand the principles on which it operates?

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  62. Incentive to work on Science by TW+Burger · · Score: 2

    Lie to the students and convince them that scientists get huge paychecks, huge bonuses, huge respect, and girl/boy friends with huge (place favorite body part here) just like Wall street traders that destroy World economies or rap/hip hop "artists" that preach (and often preform) misogyny and violence.

    Sadly, science is a road to becoming an underpaid lab rat or high school instructor. I gave up designing computer systems and portable devices to pursue systems analysis and programming. The opportunity, hours, and money are better.

  63. I suggest... by Anenome · · Score: 2

    I suggest: Explosion Club

    First rule of Explosion Club: You do not talk about Explosion Club.

    Second rule of Explosion Club: YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT EXPLOSION CLUB.

    The last rule of Explosion Club: If it's your first time, you mix the chemicals yourself and will blow something up.

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  64. Model Rockets Anyone? by ukemike · · Score: 1

    High school science tends to be rather basic. Here is a way you can make F=ma really fun. You can buy model rocket kits in bulk for education from many vendors. I like the people at this site a lot: http://www.apogeerockets.com/

    Get a kit for each kid, or one for each team of two, and make them go home and build them. They can handle it. These kits are easy enough for a 4 year old with little testors and a little elmers. (I know because my son assembled one at that age (except for the parachute)) Then teach some of the physics... calculate how high, how fast, etc, and then go launch them! Use of an appropriately small motor will allow you launch on the football field. Actually the site above has a whole education section, with educational materials, technical info, newsletters, rocket kits in bulk, etc.

    I know it's not free, but I bet you could get a local hobby shop to sponsor the activity, or even hit up us /.ers. $10 each from 20 people would get you enough for 24 rockets!

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  65. Faraday Lectures by cashman73 · · Score: 1

    Last fall, I attended a Faraday Lecture. This is a lecture consisting of really cool science demonstrations and things that teachers can use in their classrooms to really blow students away -- think of things that blow up and other nifty demos. This was done in Pittsburgh, but a quick google search on the topic indicates that perhaps Rutgers does this as well.

  66. How About,,, by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

    How about talking to the government about giving NASA a big funding boost (hey, why not as long as we're going into debt for trillions for bankers and stock-traders anyway?) and getting some serious and ambitious manned missions planned?

    Nothing gets kids fired up about science as much as the thought of growing up to be an astronaut. Back during the space programs' heydays of the '60s and '70s, it was actually *cool* to do well in school, science in particular.

    Since the rollback of manned space exploration missions public enthusiasm for science & research along with technical education, particularly among children, has dwindled. It's not so much a matter of motivating individual students as it is giving the generation a goal to push for other than becoming some anonymous corporate cog in some corporate lab researching cereal sugar-coatings or lower-cost hairbrush manufacturing methods.

    Strat

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  67. Local University? by gregbaker · · Score: 1

    There's a reasonable chance that there's somebody at your local university that would be interested in working with some interested high school students. Finding that person could be the tricky part: I'd suggest going to the relevant department's web site and see if you can find somebody who does outreach/recruiting/admissions.

  68. Avoid Foldit by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

    I actually spent some time with Foldit. I learned very very little. Then they introduced awful music that was like fingernails on the chalkboard to me. Requests to provide a feature to disable the "music" without completely muting the program were ignored and unresponded to (muting was not a solution since audio feedback for some operations is critical). It drove me to kick the cat, beat the wife and abuse the children. I can no longer run foldit, and suggest that for the sake of world peace others avoid it too.

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  69. No replacement for close mentoring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The summer before my senior year in high school, my physics teacher took me and two other students under his wing for the summer to work on real X-ray astrophysics data. The next two summers I worked with him as a teaching/research assistant and helped about 20 students total work on real data analysis projects.

    As a result I got three papers published in professional journals (two as first author) and won a scholarship that paid my entire way through college.

    I know most schoolteachers don't usually have the resources to do programs like this (or the education - my mentor had a PhD in astrophysics), but there's really no substitute.

  70. Check Out Maker Media by Dan+Woods · · Score: 1

    Check out Make: Magazine at your local library or newsstand. We didn't actually create Make: as a classroom text (and it definitely isn't), but we've received hundreds of letters from teachers who suddenly discovered that kids love its hands-on project-based approach to science and tech. Kids like that we're not afraid to have a some raucous fun with tech and that we don't talk down to them. And you don't have to spend a dime to check it out. Just camp out on http://makezine.com/ for a few days. If you happen to be in the Bay Area May 30th, 31st, bring your students to Maker Faire at the San Mateo Expo Center. Students (13 - 20) can spend an entire day at Maker Faire for $10 if tickets are purchased in advance. Compare that to Six Flags. And MakerShed.com has some awesome DIY tech kits for middle schoolers and teens as well. Good Luck!

  71. LHC and Cosmic Rays by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There is an outreach "master class" scheme involving the LHC where your students can get their hands on data (simulated at the moment but real eventually!). While the tools are simplified compared to what we actually use for an analysis you do get to look at and study real data. You could try talking to CERN to find out if this is available in whatever part of the world you are. We also have a video conference scheme which I've taken part in before where someone from your local university will come and visit and set up a video conference with other people at CERN to discuss the LHC and the physics we do.

    There are also various cosmic ray projects that your school can get involved in. If you are in Alberta then your local one is ALTA which is run by a colleague of mine. There are others in various parts of the world as well. These link together multiple schools in a region to build a large air shower array.

  72. Have them look at clouds for NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, really:

    http://science-edu.larc.nasa.gov/SCOOL/index.html

  73. Great artists steal... by stonewolf · · Score: 1

    Engineering week has been creating and running really fun to do, cheap to do, hands on, creative, projects since I was in college in the '70s. Dig into their archives and have your students do the projects. Create a list of 5 or so projects. Have the students in the class vote on the projects and everyone does that one. Then, for extra credit, you let them do as many more as they want over the school year. Allocate time in class for people to demo their projects and require a nicely formatted report as part of the project. (That last is so you can maybe work a deal with the English teacher for extra credit there too. Even students appreciate a multi-bird stone. :-)

    If you can't deal with that, then try writing games. Yes, writing games. Getting a good animation going requires vector math, lots of good dx, dy, dz stuff leading into calculus and the physics of motion and interactions. Just getting a realistic ball bouncing in a cubical room can illustrate tons of physics. Yeah, what I'm saying is don't have them run simulations, have them write them. Call it writing video games and 90% of the kids will be all over it. OTOH, there will be parents waiting for you with pitch forks and torches, so be prepared.

    Yeah, I've used writing video games to teach programming, math, and some physics and I've been involved with engineering week. Best fun I ever had was getting a bunch of blase science teachers up in the aisles nearly dancing just by getting them to actually *make* a Mobius strip and cut it down the middle instead of just talking about it and pointing a picture in a book. Kids love it too.

    Very few science teachers know shit about their subject. They know shit because they really couldn't give a shit about it.

    Stonewolf

  74. Well well . . . by NicknamesAreStupid · · Score: 1

    This is like asking Dilbert how to get management excited about a fast Fourier transform. You would be better off posting this on Facebook.

  75. No extra credit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You shouldn't give extra credit for work on this. It would create an economic bias towards students who have money for faster or multiple computers.

  76. Ideally .... by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    it should tie back to the real world. Show kids how to make hydrogen to fill balloons (either via electrolysis (carbon rods are east to get) or using strips of alumnium and sodium hydroxide. Likewise, how to make batteries. Heck, teach them how to make firecrackers. Once kids realize that they CAN make useful things, they will.

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  77. 16 explosions and counting by plopez · · Score: 1

    the word explosion keeps coming up. This would seem to appeal to most young males. But I wonder what would appeal to young females. Assuming any exists on slashdot (as rare as unicorns they be around here), what would appeal to young females? Explosions? Or something different?

    Please let us know.

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    1. Re:16 explosions and counting by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Pretty colours.

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  78. Galazy Zoo has Plans for you! by Pamela_StarStryder · · Score: 2, Informative

    Coming this fall, Galaxy Zoo has plans to add the ability for teachers to create logins for a classroom of students that are linked such that the teacher can see all the students classifications. We are also looking to add more educational content, and to set up an "Educators Zone" for sharing activities and ideas. We still in the building phase. Tell us your ideas and we'll do what we can to make the best ideas real! Learn more here.

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  79. Physical stuff by theurge14 · · Score: 1

    My high school physics teacher had us make rockets out of 2-liter soda bottles. We made our own fins and customizations and he placed them on a high-pressure water launcher and fired them off. We got points for height, multi-stages, parachute landings, etc.

  80. Re:Science in the real world is NOT that interesti by karllark · · Score: 1

    Very sad. While some of what you say is true, most of what I enjoy as a scientist is the parts where I get to actually try and answer a question that no one knows the answer to. There is some part of what you say to being a scientist, but it is not nearly as important as you make it out to be. Being a scientist is fun! It can be boring at times (what job isn't), but it has very fun parts that keep me going to work.

  81. Re:You are teaching them science is boring. Stop i by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

    From my classes, also:
    * Pop balloons full of hydrogen, to demonstrate the coolness of things exploding. (I guess? I don't remember the point of that, really.)
    * I had a chemistry teacher who had some chemical concoction he called the "flaming snowball." It was a whiteish, gel-like material he rolled into a ball and lit on fire, but the cool thing was that it's combustion point was so low that it was perfectly safe to handle while flaming. We'd throw it around the classroom and such. A little googling, here's a "flaming snowball" lecture: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0CUZ94lXYM

  82. FIRST Robotics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FIRST Robotics

    www.usfirst.org

    It's a wonderful organization that encourages Teamwork, setting and obtaining goals, engineering, programing, electrical, machining, resource gathering, entrepreneurship, fund allocation and gracious professionalism.

    A team of High Schoolers gets 6 weeks (starting early January) to design, build, program, and test a robot with the purpose of playing a different game each year ... check out the site .. it's fascinating

  83. Re:You are teaching them science is boring. Stop i by spanklin · · Score: 1

    Sorry, but I think you and many of the others here need to go back and read his question. He didn't say he wanted ideas for labs, he said he wanted his students to contribute to real science, as in, do things that lead to publications by professional physicists. While I did many of the experiments that you did and found them interesting and learned a lot from them, none of those produced publishable results. You made fun of Galaxy Zoo, but the work that the thousands of people did who participated in that experiment led to real publications in the astronomical literature. Astronomy in particular is a science where amateurs can contribute and I think he cited Galaxy Zoo not because he thought it was better than building a Foucault Pendulum, but because it has a different goal -- it is getting his students to put in their time as essentially free labor on science projects much larger than they could do in class. Although, maybe you know of a high school building a 3.5 meter telescope with a drift scan camera and multi-object spectrograph that is recording images and spectra for a million galaxies. Because at that school, kids could get the same experience the ones in his class got by participating in Galaxy Zoo.

  84. stop bribing people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if people dont like science, there is probably a good reason for it. why dont you try asking them?

    science in the classroom is all about beauty and elegance and wonder and bettering humanity.

    science in the real world is about Dilbert, greed, profit, creating fantastic new weapons, destroying the planet, and destroying civil liberties.

  85. alan turing was also gay and decoded enigma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but i guess defeating nazi germany is 'safe' in your book

  86. Observe and Catalogue the Campus by EEBaum · · Score: 1
    Just a thought... you might have them observe and catalogue every aspect of campus, especially those which may change over time. Granted, this would probably be much more interesting for a bio class than for physics, but still...

    Some things that could be tracked:
    • Length of grass in different parts of campus (different patches of a field, between classrooms, growing in cracks)
    • Where shadows hit at different times of day throughout the year
    • Weather conditions -- temperature, rainfall, wind
    • Electromagnetic spectral characteristics (e.g. UV radiation, strength of different radio frequencies) at different locations
    • Soil Samples
    • Biological samples, both macro and micro, in different areas at different times of year
    • How high different types of things bounce at different places from different heights
    • Where birds hang out, when they hang out, how many of them there are and of what types
    • What all sorts of items are made of... how heavy, how dense, how it reacts to water, heat, impact, wind.
    • How fast the teacher's hair grows
    • What color different parts of different buildings are (to track fading)

    In essence, have the students create an extensive longitudinal almanac on every last corner of campus. Then you might take it a step further by seeing if they notice correlations by comparing one set of data to another, both with different data sets over the same time, and in comparison to previous years.

    It would demonstrate that science is relevant to everything around them all the time, not just what's on the science shelf in a classroom. Could also bring up interesting discussions, e.g. causation vs. correlation. Also, they'd be studying and taking data on a particular location that otherwise isn't. Not relevant to the big picture? Perhaps. Perhaps not. Someone might indeed wish to use the data points at some time in the future, or you may stumble upon surprising results yourself, or find ways that something on campus could be improved. Could be extra cool if you collaborated with other schools in the area or in different parts of the world.

    If you want to get all scientific-methody about it, you could have everyone brainstorm a bunch of hypotheses at the start of the year, then see which hold up with the aggregation of all the data collected.

    Don't know how well this would go over with very STAY IN YOUR CLASSROOMS high schools, but it's a thought.

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  87. Buy their beer by Mishotaki · · Score: 1

    If you offer to buy their beer, they'll come in packs to do whatever you want..... they might even listen too!

  88. Guaranteed Attention-Getter..... by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 1

    One Word:

    Explosives.

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  89. Re:You are teaching them science is boring. Stop i by Manywele · · Score: 1

    Could you provide a little more info on the Sterling engine from a bike wheel and rubber bands? I'm a high school physics teacher (done most of what you mention) and I've tried two different hand made Sterling engine models, including the one from Make magazine two years ago or so. Couldn't get either one even close to working.

    Yeah, I realize 20 years makes the memory a little hazy.

  90. Try the previous story in /. by Neanderthal+Ninny · · Score: 1

    Here are some high schoolers that made their weather balloon with camera and sensors.
    http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/18/1645216
    There are many fields in science but finding what turns on the "light bulb" to get them interested that any field in science.
    However, most of the time the "hands on" approach will get most interest because they actually experience what you see in book. Lecture and book knowledge are one thing, getting to do something interesting is another and most kids love to see the action of what they learned from books or heard from the teacher.

  91. An example of how it's done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was involved with a club in high school, here's their website. We designed, funded, and built a radio telescope and several people did research projects for science fairs. There is a lot of work that goes into doing real science, but the benefit of a group like this is obvious when you consider how many people in our club went/go on to science/engineering careers.

    http://staff.gpschools.org/herrola/RATs/rats2.0/home.htm

  92. That's not real science by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

    Well, if participating in those projects is what you consider "teaching real science", then maybe you should think again. If you are teaching high-school physics, you should be covering ... physics.

    I had a wonderful physics teacher when I was in high school, but that seems to be a rare thing (these days, anyway). I'm very disappointed with the assignments my son brings home from his high school senior physics class. I have been teaching him some concepts instead, and many of his classmates tell him that he explains the topics are much better than the teacher!

    Having students learn the parts of the eardrum (and take a quiz on it) doesn't really teach them anything about waves and particles. Although I guess if you don't understand it yourself it may be a way to claim to have "covered it". Also, calculating specific heat does *not* require *7 steps* !!

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  93. Anyone else misread the headline? by mu-sly · · Score: 1

    Did anyone else misread the headline of this piece as follows... "How To Get High: Schoolers Involved In Real Science?" ... and imagine a bunch of school kids conducting "science experiments" ;-) ;-) with marijuana?

  94. But the point is.... by maillemaker · · Score: 1

    >Ask yourself, how many people who use a microwave everyday actually understand the principles on which it operates?

    I agree, you don't want to teach kids to take things on faith. Which is why I specifically said, "Since I was quite willing to believe the peer-reviewed and much-previously-repeated scientific material at face value...".

    When you read that water can be polarized, and you read that it is a reproducible experiment that has been reproduced for a hundred years or so, you can be pretty sure it's not a hoax or an act of faith to believe it.

    Many people don't know how a microwave operates. But this does not mean you can't learn how they operate without building one.

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    1. Re:But the point is.... by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 1
      Indeed. While I don't advocate having kids build a microwave to learn how they work (but that would be so cool!) I think it is valuable to teach by doing. One of my greatest regrets about my engineering degree was that too much emphasis was based on 'running the numbers', rather than actually building stuff and finding out what does (and doesn't) work. In the same vein, I would say that one of the towering testaments to the success (and validity) of science is that its practical application, engineering, -works-.

      XKCD tells us "Science: It works, Bitches", but in truth, it's engineering that proves it to us day by day.

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  95. find a lonely scientist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try to find a real research lab, or university group and see if they are interested in working with some students. You might be surprised.

    Most scientists are so enthusiastic about their work they will jump at the opportunity to tell somebody about their work and encourage the next generation.

    check out this :

    http://www.lightsource.ca/education/lloydminster.php

    A group of highschool students got to do x-ray analysis of honey to determine chemical composition using a synchrotron lightsource.

  96. Big tank of liquid nitrogen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lock the classroom door and cryogenically freeze their heads. Voila. Involved in real science.

  97. Re:Science in the real world is NOT that interesti by DancesWithBlowTorch · · Score: 1

    You are bitter.

    I'm a scientist, and I love my job. There's no job in the world that could be more exciting. Yes, you do have to deal with the administrative side. It's not like a corporate job is any different at that.

    Every morning I wake up with a question in my head I want to answer by the end of the day. Nobody is allowed to tell me what to do, I do whatever I find interesting. Sometimes (rarely), I even simply decide to stay in bed, and nobody cares! Tell me of another job like that! Also, I love working with my students: I am surrounded by a group of people who are enthusiastic about questions that I am enthralled by myself. What better working environment could you imagine?

    Yes, I could earn an order of magnitude more in a corporate environment. Yes, I waste a lot of time on grant applications and administrative rubbish. Who cares? I love this job. It gives me the chance to spend every single day of my live thinking about problems I care about. I find it awesome that society is willing to pay me money for doing so, and I feel privileged that I am allowed to teach hundreds of students every year, about something that I genuinely find important.

  98. Re:You are teaching them science is boring. Stop i by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Convert a discarded van into a hitch with solar cells attached to all the side to produce necessary lighting etc. for the converted van. Try if the accumulated energy is used to run air-conditioner in the van. etc.
    This will teach physics, engineering, solar technology, aerodynamics, Environmental Science and create a new recycling industry for the discarded minivans as a camping trailer.

  99. volunteer in online cognitive science studies by cogSciGrad · · Score: 1

    ...such as those on

  100. Diginess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had an idea (I'm absolutely sure it's been done before as it doesn't seem too original, but cool nonetheless) - use a laser level and webcam with some simple software to create a seismic sensor. Suspend the laser level by a string, and point the web cam at a wall. Write a piece of software to look through the picture data and watch how the line moves around, log it to file over time.

  101. Multimedia Does Wonders by perlith · · Score: 2, Informative

    One of the best Comp. Sci courses I took in college was assembly. Why? The instructor kept it interesting. Try showing Three Stooges video at the beginning of class and then relate it to the lecture. Happened frequently. You want to keep folks interest to a reasonable degree, keep the content fresh and original. Bill Nye, Captain Planet, Daily Show, etc. Try retrojunk.com if you want to pull some old school commercials out of the hat.

  102. Don't treat them like children by Joebert · · Score: 1

    If you want them to get involved in "real" science, let them do "real" things with it. Practical things they would actually get paid for in the "real" world.

    Sure you learn a lot from disecting a frog, but I'm still waiting to see a job listing that has frog disection as a skill requirement.

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    1. Re:Don't treat them like children by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I'm still waiting to see a job listing that has frog disection as a skill requirement.

      French chef?

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    2. Re:Don't treat them like children by abbyful · · Score: 1

      Sure you learn a lot from disecting a frog, but I'm still waiting to see a job listing that has frog disection as a skill requirement.

      If the student is interested in being a doctor, veterinarian, biologist, etc., then dissecting a frog is an introduction to a "real-world" field. It may not be listed as a job requirement, but it's part of the knowledge that people in various professions need.

      We learn a large amount of information in school that we don't need for our jobs, but it's good to have an overview of how various things work and have some knowledge of the world. Do we really need to know how to write a sonnet? Or who was the general at battle X during war Y? Or how to calculate the speed of an object when it hits the group when dropped from Z feet? Maybe not necessarily for your job, but having general knowledge of the world around you is a good thing.

  103. Tried Stellarium? by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

    Have you tried giving them Stellarium? If you want to get kids interested in the universe and the tracking of planets and stellar bodies Stellarium is free, works on Linux, Mac and Windows, and with the added star packs you can pretty much check out any object in the sky, and even roll time forward and back thousands of years. Really cool. If you want to give them extra credit you could come up with some questions that will require them to use the software, such as locations of a given star or constellation in a given year, or have them look up how the stars were on the day they were born and have them write about it.

    If you shoot me an email to the above address I have a graphic artist buddy that designed a really nice CD/DVD cover for Stellarium which you could use. Just download the program and extra packs and burn it to a CD set or DVD and use the artwork to give them a nice case with it. That is what he did with the students at the local colleges Astronomy club that he has been helping out and according to him they are all using it and loving it. While of course this isn't the same as 11-18 with a little time and imagination you shouldn't have any trouble thinking of ways to engage them with the software. I have used it with a 1GHz Celeron so speed shouldn't be an issue either. Try it, I bet you'll like it.

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  104. Do not give away their parents computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would consider it unethical to recruit minors to give away their parents electricity, bandwidth, and computing resources for the gain of a third party. If you want to get kids interested in science... you could maybe do some in the classroom?

    Let go of the reins (and keep your hand surreptitiously on the bridle) and let the kids explore some of their own interests through a scientific lens. If you allow yourself to appear to be directing the whole thing, it will never be cool.

  105. Mythbusters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I always thought a good science course would be taking apart the psudo-science on mythbusters.

    You get the entertainment value from the show, then you can re-create some of their experiments in class and have students propose ways the experiments or testing methods could be improved.

  106. Teach that science is a PROCESS by snStarter · · Score: 1

    I believe the first goal is to teach that science is a process. Give students something to investigate: say sliding friction. Give them limited resources (nothing fancy) and then let them go through the process of investigating the properties of friction. Help them understand errors, how to keep notebooks, how to be truthful, how to work as a team with other student colleagues.

    By keeping things simple you don't overwhelmed students and you lay bare the essence of science.

    This will take some serious work on your part. Developing a way to grade the students and to work with them will be difficult. But you might really get kids to think about how to investigate what they think they already "know".

    They will have to do experiments, they'll have to deal with flakey results (welcome to the real world), they'll have to write about sources of error and they'll have to write a final report and hand it in along with their notebooks. Welcome to science!

  107. Bend the rules by equalwings · · Score: 1

    If your object is for them to learn, then reinforcing what they've been taught already is a great path. (1) Get them to survey others' understanding of physics principles. (Direct, like at the mall, school or street or indirectly by web site) (2) Get them to develop physics demonstrations suitable for kindergarten students. Select the best and then actually do it as a group. (They'll likely have tried them on neighbors' kids anyway) Keep it simple, safe and positive. Cheers Don Australia

  108. Rocketry Usually Works by this_is_art · · Score: 2, Informative

    Get them the model rocketry simulation program Rocksim from appogeerockets.com, or some equivalent. You can then have them build and fly virtual rocket models. If you can get permission for an outdoor lab exercise they can then build and fly their rockets to compare actual versus simulated performance. The good news is that Rocksim supports designs with standard low cost rocketry materials, but can also be used for fairly advanced custom projects. There is even a machine shop that will produce custom laser cut fins from Rocksim design files. I've used them before and was quite pleased, as it was a lot easier than shaping them by hand in my garage. Regards, Art

  109. f@H by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stanfords F@H project is a great project, and If each student chooses an unique UserId you can track progress based on individual Work Units, ro based on "points" as assigned by the F@H project.

  110. Re:You are teaching them science is boring. Stop i by bcohen5055 · · Score: 1

    Exactly, in high school I had an engineering physics class, it was two periods long. Each day we had one lecture followed by one lab, we also had 4 group projects during the year. We had a bridge competition, mousetrap race cars, a safety design project and a full size "survivor style" cardboard, duck tape, and trash bag boat race in the schools swimming pool. This class was one of my favorites, and now im a sophomore studying mechanical engineering. If it wasn't for that class I probably wouldn't have been nearly as excited about science.

  111. involvement in the science process by j1m+5n0w · · Score: 1

    I think one of the problems with high school science is that it's mostly about learning facts that other scientists have learned. I'm not saying that having a good foundation isn't important, but it doesn't teach students much about the actual process of science, or how to evaluate the claims made in a particular paper - in the realm where new science is being created, you can't always just look up the right answer in the textbook.

    Unfortunately, there isn't a whole lot of opportunity for a high-schooler to make a major discovery and get a paper accepted into a journal. However, I can think of two ways to introduce them to peer review system that many real scientists interact with.

    1) Have them do the sort of non-glamorous science that everyone wants done but no one has the time to do, such as evaluating products. For instance, verifying that the nutrition information on a food label matches up with the contents, or testing wireless routers to see which one uses the least electricity. They could then post their results on the school district's website, and/or peer-review each other's findings.

    2) Obtain a handful of research papers, some of which have been accepted by a major journal or conference, and some of which have been rejected. See if the students can figure out which ones were accepted and which ones were rejected and why.

  112. Robotics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Over the weekend I had a chance to see several High schools participate in a robotics contest. This is done with the participation of NASA and is a nationwide program.

    http://www.usfirst.org/

    Video of the event can be seen here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgOudjVS18o
    and
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ggEfBeTYYc

  113. Re:Science in the real world is NOT that interesti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You forgot to mention that if you do come up with something valuable, the university or company you work for will profit greatly, but you, more often than not, won't. So you must teach them to function without the profit motive.

  114. Definitely something different. by Fallingcow · · Score: 1

    If my wife's play style in The Sims 2 is any indication of the sort of science that interests women, then it's Eugenics.

    She's the Sims 2 Hitler. It's kind of disturbing.

  115. forensics? by TimFenn · · Score: 1

    I'm surprised no one has suggested forensics yet. If you're not able to get the students into an actual lab, its a great way to keep them interested in a physics problem:
    - given a ballistic pattern of a bullet OR
    - given a blood splatter pattern OR
    - a fall OR
    - from a position of a body:
    determine trajectories, velocities, etc. and likelihood a death is suicide or homicide.

    - use momentum to analyze a car crash, or any force-related accident, and reconstruct it.

    CSI is popular partly because of physics.

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  116. Sic Transit Gloria Mundi by ResidentSourcerer · · Score: 1

    My brother tells a story of a bio grad student who was hired to teach biology for the last half year when the original one quit.

    Because he didn't have a teaching degree, they moved all the 'real' students to to the other teacher, and he got all the students who 'needed a science to graduate before they go work in the mill'.

    Most of these kids took shop too.

    So he walks into his first class after spending all night going through dumpsters in town, gives each kid a large tin can and a mouse trap, with the assignment, "Build a live trap."

    They spend the rest of the period brainstorming approaches.

    Within a few days he has many live traps.

    "What do mice like to eat"

    Many answers.

    "How could we find out"

    Much discussion, but it boils down to, try an equal number with various food and see what you get.

    So they do that.

    Then he starts looking at where the traps were. And this leads into doubt about the first experiment. Some guys put their traps in the open, others by the wall. Some on the school property, some in their back yard.

    More discussion.

    More experiments.

    Then he asks for what results they got last week. Nobody is writting stuff down. This turns into the importance of record keeping.

    Then he asks, " Are you catching the same mouse over and over, or are you catching different mice?"

    Whole can of worms about identification. They figure out a way of marking small diameter aluminum tubing and gently crimping it as a bracelet. Now they can tell if a mouse has been caught before.

    "How big an area does a mouse forage?"

    So they took over wild section of land behind the school, and placed the traps in a fairly even distribution over several acres. Most of the kids had between 6 and 12 traps now, and were visiting them twice a day.

    Each kid recorded every mouse they caught, adding a new band when an untagged mouse fell into their clutches.

    By this time the weather started getting nasty, as fall gave way to winter.

    So the last few weeks to Christmas were spent analyizing the data. So he taught them about averages and means, and standard deviations, and regression testing. (This before calculators. All hand work.)

    Remember this is a class that 'can't learn much, we can only hope they will be good with their hands'

    Just before Christmas, the school imspector came in to observe. He looked at the neat notebooks, saw the earnest work the kids were doing, had to ask the teacher what a kid was talking about when mentioning mortality tables, and mean forage diameter differential between male and female mice.

    The grad student explained.

    The school inspector said that he wasn't following the curriculum, spoke to the principal, and had the grad student fired.

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  117. BBC show - Rocket Science by Denver_G · · Score: 0

    I am in the middle of watching this 3 part show on BBC2 in the UK. This show is exactly the kind of thing you are after. It follows a science teacher and his class as he introduces a project in order to get them interested in science. He uses fireworks as a hook and they follow through chemicals making light, watching a professional display (and helping the organisers) through to creating their own demonstration.

    These kids did not like science at all before the project started, but their faces when he was showing them stuff were complete fascination and they were extremely enthusiastic.

    The show is available on the BBC iPlayer but I am not sure if this can be used worldwide so you might have to look elsewhere in order to get the show. Hopefully you will get chance to watch this as it should give you some ideas.

    The url for the show microsite is http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00j5gmk

  118. Put Them In Charge by DynaSoar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Organize a working lab for them. They are to decide (within your specified field) what they find interesting and want to learn about. An example from my work, someone noted that the doors on the local Walmart had IN and OUT signs, that some people tended to ignore those, and that the IN and OUT were on opposite sides on the opposite ends of the building. They wanted to know why the sides were different, and depending on the answer, seeing if that answer had anything to do with the first.

    Make them responsible for the project by making yourself simply the most knowledgeable member of the lab team. Allow them every source they can think of, including any other teachers or yourself, because when people do real science they're not restricted to the one authority supervising them.

    When they pick what to study, help them develop the methodology/design. Describe why you chose one in terms they can understand.

    Set them collecting their data, tell them how best to analyze it, and let them go. Provide them with a template of how you want them to produce their results (APA paper format or a poster template).

    Let them make their own mistakes and try to correct them. If they ask for help, give it, because you're a lab member too.

    I've done this with undergrad labs, including one with 3 high school students among the 8 members. Two went to international conferences, two others got published. They were always done by a 1 hour per week, 16 week lab course, plus the necessary extra time of working in the lab.

    Oh, and let them tell you what their part will be. Some are not good at the science, but may be good at the writing. Let them write it up. The point is not to get each to accomplish some pre-determined hoop jumping, but to get the lab as an organization to produce one good result, just like other real labs do.

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  119. Science is for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Science is for the dumb kids.

    1. Re:Science is for... by mqduck · · Score: 1

      I know you're just a troll, but I'd love to hear you defend that statement.

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  120. FIRST Robotics by AddDad · · Score: 1

    I work in a big science and tech company and we sponsor quite a number of FIRST teams. The whole structure of the competition is intended to inspire high schoolers in math and science, and the stats are pretty impressive. Yes, it takes money to get started, but depending on your hometown, there may be an outpost of Nasa, Lockheed or BAE or my company that would offer funding and mentors. It genuinely does inspireâ"and help people get jobs. Virginia Commonwealth University and possibly others offers courses in which students mentor teams and get college credit for doing what is effectively community service, but also hones their engineering skills. I know of one engineer who set up an ISO 9001-based quality control system for their team. But there are countless ways this engages kids and gives them a leg up on the competition when it comes to going to college and getting good jobs.

  121. Re:Science in the real world is NOT that interesti by OutOfMyTree · · Score: 1

    You forgot the bit about the apprenticeship where your ideas are nicked by your supervisor/lead investigator and presented as his own.

  122. Two ideas by OutOfMyTree · · Score: 1

    Sorry, no time to read everything already posted. Two tried and tested ideas -- maybe for the younger end.

    Science notebooks -- encourage students to keep a notebook about all sorts of sciencey things they come across in everyday life. Very easy to review and mark using a sampling system rather than exhaustive reading.

    Encourage kids to become the local expert on a topic. Then use them to explain relevant items to the other students.

  123. A project involving data-logging ... by golodh · · Score: 1
    A single temperature measurement is boring, but a 48-hr timeseries of temperature, pressure, humidity, and light intensity measurements has lots of interesting features. And nowadays even the lowliest netbook is a datalogger of professional capability.

    Students can use these sensors to e.g. study the thermal characteristics of their own home or the school or perhaps a shop or restaurant and correlate them with outside temperature, sunlight, humidity, etc.. Rapid temperature changes can potentially identify inadequate insulation, and temperature fluctuations per se can point to substandard heating control.

    You can also build (or buy) a compact solid-state temperature and accelerometer logger and mail those around the country to see what the ambient conditions of mail and parcels are. Once you show that this works, students (even in the range of 14-18) could conceivably land an internship with a local company to introduce a system that tracks conditions of their shipments. You can get USB-key sized temperature and humidity dataloggers for about 60$ from http://www.signatrol.com/ Too expensive for a classroom project perhaps, but potentially very interesting for commercial use.

    There are electronic components (for about 2$ apiece) that act as sensors (for e.g. temperature, humidity, air pressure, light, CO2 concentrationt)(see e.g. http://martybugs.net/electronics/tempsensor/ , http://www.tempsensor.net/) .

    Attach those to a low-power radio transmitter, and add a transceiver to the USB port of a netbook and you get an interesting wireless sensor network.

    Basic ready-made dataloggers can be had for as little as $25 (see http://www.dataq.com/products/startkit/di194rs.htm) and you can get ready made chart display software for them plus APIs in Visual Basic, C++ etc.. They also give away one of those per month, but I consider that a publicity stunt I wouldn't want to expose kids to. An alternative is a microcontroller board can be found for $40 (see http://al-williams.com/app4kit.htm).

    Building and testing the sensors from components could be a 1-semester project. Dataloggers are a more complicated proposition, and require some more electronics knowhow, but even that can be done by 15-18 year olds in one semester. Otherwise writing the data-capture software is an option too, but I'd add a full semester for that.

    For giving credit I have no other suggestions than to ask for either a final report upon completion or (for additional credit) bi-weekly reports (for preference in Open Office of course, with photographs of the equipment, the measurement setup, and spreadsheet graphs showing the data) for which you provide a template.

    I'm a believer in letting students submit bi-weekly progress reports in memo form (so you can see what they're doing, help them where needed, and prevent them from wasting time on dead ends and blind alleys), and then asking them to use these memos when preparing a final report. That way students learn to what progress reports are, why it's important to be able to state clearly what you've done, and how such memos can be used to spread the burden of reporting across the project. Besides which, this is how it's done in professional practice too.

    As to the final report: if you provide, say, three templates with varying levels of complexity (from a 2-page leaflet to a full report with problem definition, background physics (with proper references), measurement setup, data description (data in an appendix of course), summary and conclusions, you can provide a different amount of credit for each type of report.

  124. How about this... by llManDrakell · · Score: 1
  125. Stardust by Marcus8675 · · Score: 1

    Stardust@home - very easy to track progress and classroom materials avaiable.

    USFIRST is always a great option

  126. Spark interest by elloGov · · Score: 0

    Stick to Newtonian physics. If you show the students in practice and application how something they are familiar with works with the knowledge/theories you have talked about, I think you will strike their curiosity, enthusiasm and understanding. This always works for me as a learner. Measuring pendulum motion is boring. Tie it to something they can relate to. Once they experience and observe this connection, the light bulb will go off for many and the possibilities are endless in their mind. Lastly, it always helps if you bring a element of mild competition into it by structuring the projects into games. What about bottle rockets?

  127. Physics by n122vu · · Score: 1

    Teach them real orbital mechanics based on Newtonian physics, using Orbiter Space Flight Simulator, available for free at www.orbitersim.com There is a large supporting community and many available addons, including several vessels from the sci-fi genre. You could teach them how ships really fly in space, as opposed to what they see on the movie screen

  128. Re:Science in the real world is NOT that interesti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I dissagree.

    I teach Technology Eduction in CT. This is my schools fuel cell car. We have built the whole thing from the ground up, and it teaches real world issues to our students.

    http://www.darienps.org/dhsfuelcell/welcome_fin.html

    Check it out, maybe we can inspire another school in the country, and we could race! best of luck!

  129. Astronomy during the day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://radiojove.gsfc.nasa.gov/ -- Build your own rudimentary radio telescopes and listen to the radio transmissions from the Clouds of Jupiter. This can be done in many variations, even using discarded mini satellite dishes -- http://www.gb.nrao.edu/epo/ibt.shtml

    Soldering experience, electronics, and real science during the school day.

  130. Teach religion and Arts by fish_in_the_c · · Score: 1

    To get someone involved you must first get them 'interested' to get the 'interested' they must see the activity as being a valuable way to use their time. Money is a poor motivator for science, greed makes for poor science and loss of objectivity. Objectivity is valuable, because it is a tool for seeking truth.

    Value, truth, interest are all non tangibles that come from a sense of aesthetics or desire to aid others (aka philosophy/religion).

    Teach people these things and then show them how science (aka the study of the world) is a useful tool in reaching these goals.

    Most people are motivated by relation, and love, they seek to be loved and to love others. That is what we are. Show them where the love is and everything else useful will follow.
    .

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    âoeTolerance applies only to persons, but never to truth. Intolerance applies only to truth, but never to persons.
  131. Re:Safe science is sometimes modified by meridoc · · Score: 1

    Be careful about explosives in today's society. While explosives are what got me into chemistry, they are now very regulated by local, state, and federal governments. Check your local laws (and your administration) regarding definitions of "bombs" and "explosives" before doing them in classroom settings.

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    "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -- Albert Einstein
  132. stereotypical b.s. by meridoc · · Score: 1

    I am female and explosives are what got me into chemistry. Just because girls often shriek or shy from explosives doesn't mean they're actually scared or unimpressed. Most of my female students are more into fire than my male students.

    Don't you dare dumb-down (girl-down?) chemistry for girls. We'll give you camo-colored knitting needles if that helps you get over it.

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    "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -- Albert Einstein
  133. ONE WORD: POTATO CANNONS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (simple arithmetic rocks)

    you can teach pneumatics, combustion, electricity (firing mechanisms and solenoids), pvc/abs engineering, ballistics, wind speed, velocity, arcs, and as for the extra credit, make them write out their ideas for a cannon pre-internet searching and score them on how different the end result is. you can also score them on the accuracy of predicting the landing spot of the spud.

  134. How To Get High --- Schoolers Involved in Science? by Funk_dat69 · · Score: 1

    I thought this article was about something totally different for second there!

    But..yeah. I'm all for schoolers and science and experimentation.

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  135. Re:You are teaching them science is boring. Stop i by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Brilliant list. Wish I had done 1/2 of these things when I was 16 in physics class, all memorable and great examples of real pheomena!

    I wrote a funding application yesterday, the guy who coaches me included all the real world pzaazz items on it that corresponended with what we are actually doing. Math, Vectors, eigenvalues, statistics, simulations, big papers names blah blah-- sure all necessary and yawn boring! If all that doesn't add up to a microscopic robot, preventing a reactor meltdown, a paradigmatic shift in how the world works, or a telsa coil which shoots aluminum rings, nobody will give a crap. In science when somebody shouts show me the money, they want to see something cool, something new, something that changes their world.

    If you are boring, not only will highschool students not care but neither will the rest of the world- and your career will be short and unfruitful. As you grind out the next best min max nonlinear optimizer, for the whoesit-I-never-heard-of-that-and-dont-care-about-it-project you'll wonder which statistics lecture you missed.

    There are a lot of way cool things happening in cutting edge research today, look around, if you aren't seeing them, you've got the wrong glasses on.

  136. Lots of research opertunies under our feet. by ChrisA90278 · · Score: 1

    Study something very close to home. I think the ecology of cracks in the side walk would make a graet topic. Where do nutrients come from? How to weeds compete for them and under what conditions do some win and loose.

    Have the weeds evolved to fit this new environment that people craeted only in the last century. Are the wild weeds geneticaly the same as those in urban areas. Theory says evolution can happen with new environments. are we seeing this?

  137. Make sure it works on an iPhone by midia · · Score: 1

    Whatever software it is, make sure it works anywhere they go: on the bus, in the yard, at Church, at the mall, etc.

  138. nerdz rulez !! by tkjtkj · · Score: 1

    This is a great site .. kids build cool stuff and show it off to teachers and friends alike! : they also learn at least the rudiments of programming processors! the kits are cheap and great fun ... www.nerdkits.com

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    "There are 11 kinds of people: those who know binary, those who don't, and those who could not care less!"
  139. Visual Physics by sweetser · · Score: 1
    Hello: I just launched the web site http://visualphysics.org/ last week. See if they can download the software, install it, and make animations of physics problems. The number of animations are countable. Anything with 3 spacial dimensions and time can be animated, no exceptions.

    Doug

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    Working on new views of old physics at http://VisualPhysics.org
  140. High Schoolers need a why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The team idea in here is good though you will have a few lug nuts who will ride along.
    Even in an internet age, physical projects are always stimulating for that age group. Present a set of complex projects that they can build to solve a problem (it is amazing how much high school kids get), help them with problem decomp. and process management (have them pick a manager?), and let them run from there, but enforce a regular set of reviews with you and peers (need to have a method to push the progress). One idea could be to make something to examine some image with a simple web cam, or make a rocket-anything, or build a sim for terraforming mars, etc. Make it big but provide athe message that big approximations are AOK. Designing a small fish/shrimp farm is another good project especially if a team has to make the automated feeders, filter system, temp/chemical monitoring,etc. from simple hardware store parts and controlers. This is the generation that will plant feet on Mars so you may as well get them thinking big :0)

  141. Re:Science in the real world is NOT that interesti by mqduck · · Score: 1

    I'm a scientist, and I love my job. There's no job in the world that could be more exciting.

    Rock star daredevil astronaut?

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    Property is theft.
  142. just do it by Goldsmith · · Score: 1

    You want to get them doing real science? Talk to your local university and get them summer research positions. Experience with real science is the best way to expose someone to real science.

    I'm a physicist. I've mentored a few high school students (sorry, all full for this summer already). Although the background theory is a bit beyond them, the hands on experimental techniques are well within the average high school student's video game honed dexterity. Their eyes are still good, their backs are still good, they're not bitter like most graduate students, and in some cases are more mature.

    There is one high school student who has had a paying job all year in my lab because he is very good at making graphene, something many graduate students, postdocs and professors have trouble with.

  143. Build HHO and Hydrogen Generators. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look on youtube for hydroxy HHO generator, H2O2 and Brown's gas. Also, check out the Yahoo tech group called "Water Car".

    There's tons of info, but many claim to exceed the theoretical maximum. BUT, the bottom line is that they say you can get better water electrolysis by using pulses of DC current instead of continuous. They also try to tie in Tesla and high voltage, high frequency. There is wide spread misconception and lots of snakeoil.... try investigating some of the claims.

    Anyway - The Yahoo "water Car" group has info on using an ARM microcontroller to generate the pulses and allow you to change things. You can construct plexiglass "fish tank" like containers and you can build a large toroid coil.

    Parts are relatively cheap or DIY. You get physical construction skills, electronic skills, and some chemistry. The gas you make is hydrogen (ie - look for some cool youtube videos on brown's gas torch) and it can make fire.

    Finally - efficiency and/or speed of production can be used to measure progress.

    You have all of the elements needed to hold interest from a wide variety of students. It also teaches that you should be skeptical is much of the material found on the internet.

  144. Check out Professor Higgins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This guy has had HS physics students building speakers for years

    http://ratch-h.com/

  145. Test subjects by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See if you can work out a deal with a local university so that your students can volunteer as test subjects. Lots of universities already use first-year psych students for psychology experiments, and I imagine there is lots of other human research going on as well.

    In the studies I was in, the grad student running the experiment would explain the purpose of the study once I'd finished. It was pretty neat to see how the experiments worked from the inside.

  146. Science orgs by nygma666 · · Score: 1

    As a educator and engineer I found that one of the ways to get kids interested in science, tech, engineering, & Math (STEM) fields is to concentrate on hands on activities, that dont necessairly need calculations and the 'tedius boring' parts of experiments. Many things like trebuchets, mouse trap cars, etc can be built via using imagination and trail & error methods. Granted, the nice thing about this approach is that you can always adjust the activities/challenges to meet the age group, as well as incorporate more traditional science elements (angles, data tables, etc). The main thing is to capture the kids with the fun hook, otherwise they'll see it as just more work. Look into the local universities, many of them have after school programs or can offer curriculum. The STEM departments are a great place to start. Also, your schoold district and county education board will have connections as well. Personally, I belong to MESA (mathematics, engineering, science achievement), there might be one in your area http://mesa.ucop.edu/about/mesausa.html Theres also things like Cosmos http://www.ucop.edu/cosmos/, Avid, and a variety of other programs that have people who do exactly what your looking for on a daily basis. Then theres also the national professional societies that usually have k-12 curriculm/programs, among these are IEEE, SWE, SHPE, NSBE, ASME, ASCE. Lastly don't under estimate local government. Most reasonably sizeable cities have programs that would fit your needs. Even your council members and other elected offcials tend to be well connected and help offer leads as well.

  147. Real Experimentation by javac · · Score: 1

    Science is asking a question and figuring out a solution. The best science projects are simple and provide answers to a good question.

    Example.
    Does Kellogs raisin bran really have more raisins than the store brand?
    Very easy to test

    How much caffeine is in different drinks

    Are people more likely to click on one type of website or another.

    I know this is basically marketing research, but that is what REAL science is.

    It is asking a question and then finding a way to answer it.

  148. Use the online DIY community by hevans66 · · Score: 1

    Getting kids excited about science can be quite a challenging task. I have been in the business of getting kids excited about science and electronics for several years now, and we have found the best way to inspire is to show them things that they could actually do (and understand) themselves. Our approach has been to be as thorough as possible as possible in explaining what happens in our projects, while still leaving some room for independent thought and creative thoughts. Striking that fine balance is key. The DIY community on the internet can be a great resource. My suggestion is to just point them at websites and give them credit for "expanding" on any project they find. Make sure you don't just give them credit for copying a project, they have to add something of their own. We have some ideas on our website which tkjtkj mentioned above (mostly microcontroller based) at http://www.nerdkits.com/videos/. A good friend of ours has more mechanical based projects at http://www.crazybuilders.com./ The Make blogs and Sparkfun have some good stuff too, but it tends to be a bit too advanced for the true beginner.

  149. Interactions in Understanding the Universe (I2U2) by Wormholio · · Score: 1

    I'm working on a science education project called I2U2, which is looking for teachers like you.

    The main idea of the project is to give students (and their teachers) direct access to data from major physics experiments, along with access to grid computing resources so that they can do interesting investigations with those data. We have access to data from the CMS test-beam, as well as Monte Carlo data simulating CMS itself. We will have real data from CMS once the LHC turns on. We have access to environmental data from LIGO, the gravitational wave detection experiment (not the gravitational wave data itself, I'm afraid; but there's still cool things you can do with the seismometers and other sensors). And we have an array of several hundred cosmic ray detectors in place in schools across the US (and a few abroad) from Fermilab's QuarkNet project (http://quarknet.fnal.gov)

    All this data can be used for inquiry-driven projects which the students design themselves, with guidance from their teachers and materials we are preparing for the teachers. These 'e-Labs' are not scripted labs (though we do provide a general structure for developing those investigations), they are an opportunity to do real inquiry with real data. And yes, this will include tools to let you track your students' contributions and progress.

    We will be doing some teacher workshops this summer, and we need some teachers to be beta testers. If you are interested in that, or in the project in general, check us out at http://www15.i2u2.org/ We are not set up for production yet, so please excuse that it's not very polished, but it should be possible to learn a bit more about the project from that site.

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    "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats
  150. real science != running an app by jayp00001 · · Score: 1

    Part of your issue is that you are equating "real science" with running a cpu sharing program. Try having them build something- almost anything can be used as an exercise. Build a robot- physics, electronics. Model rocket- chemistry, physics, electronics. The list goes on

  151. Do science directly, not as a pawn! by a-zA-Z0-9$_.+!*'(),x · · Score: 1

    Students should make up their own experiments and investigate their own questions with teachers/parents as support groups. What's important is encouraging curiosity and a careful, methodical approach to figuring something out. tOM

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  152. Ah, /engineering/... by maillemaker · · Score: 1

    Well now you are on to something.

    Engineering projects would indeed be cool. Even if a bridge has been designed before, demonstrating that you can build one is indeed a learning process.

    But nearly all of the "projects" or "laboratories" I had in school were not engineering projects, they were exercises. We did not set out to design a new polymer, for example, we simply mixed ingredients the same way they have been done by countless people for decades. We did not build a laser to burn a hole in a billboard, rather we shined one through a diffraction grating as has been done by countless students for years.

    So I guess the key element here is: the output should be an original work. That, indeed, would be fun.

    Our chemistry labs were so predictable at Georgia Tech we would work them backwards to make sure the numbers we got by experiment were correct. Booooring.

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  153. Re:You are teaching them science is boring. Stop i by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I taught high school physics and chemistry for two years and agree with Terry that the hands on projects are really the ones where students will learn the most. We did a lot of these projects and can give you lots more (building shoes to walk on a field of eggs to study force and pressure, a giant displacement tank to study human density rather than dropping a marble in a graduated cylinder, etc).

    I'm now working on my PhD in chemistry and can appreciate your desire for them to do "real science." Now, 3 years into my PhD, I'm just becoming capable of doing that independently. At the high school level, with science fair and other independent projects, the "new" science they're ready to do is variations on problems that are aleady "solved." But they take ownership of it because it's their own data. And if you want to monitor their progress, you have them write up progress reports and have a rubric on which you grade it.

    If you want something you can do over the internet that's not just letting calculations occur, the Bugscope is a great outreach project that lets your students send bugs in, then schedule time to look at them with remote control using an Environmental Scanning Electron Microscope in the basement of my building:

    http://bugscope.beckman.uiuc.edu/

  154. Its going to be tough... by Wakk013 · · Score: 1

    I think the biggest problems teachers of the current generation students have is that these students are constantly multitasking. They grew up in an environment where so much is constantly going on in their normal habitat (home, friends house's and so on) that attempting to teach in a normal classroom setting will drive them to utter boredom. These students need to be active on many levels, not just one particular focus. You'll lose them.

    Having text ongoing while presenting videos with active listening to get them involved maybe your best bet.

  155. rubber band heat engine + other search resources by tlambert · · Score: 1

    rubber band heat engine + other search resources

    Here is an example of the rubber band engine (near the bottom of the page):

    http://www.arborsci.com/CoolStuff/cool26.htm

    Here is a short video:

    http://www.arborsci.com/CoolStuff/RubberBandEngine.mpg

    And HERE is a search engine that lets you search 51 physics demonstration websites at once:

    http://physicslearning.colorado.edu:9999/vestris/PIRASearchBy.asp ...I hope you and your students have fun!

    -- Terry

  156. mythbusters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    perhaps try a Mythbusters approach to what they want to believe and what can be supported with science. OR see what they think about science and try to compare it to what science has provided society. Example: cell came from the evolution of physics ideas, there are physicist working to make computers smaller/faster/better, some of the games they play use physics engines. extra

  157. Biology, but still... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/03/birdmonitors.html

  158. Folding@Home by uberushaximus · · Score: 1

    In my high school chemistry class we can run folding@home for extra credit as long as we join the school's team. We are assigned credit based on participation and the highest ranked member gets extra points.

  159. Consider variable star observations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The American Association of Variable Star Observers is always looking for volunteers. It's a wonderful hobby for anyone with a telescope (and in many cases, even without one!), and the observations are scientifically useful. The field depends heavily upon amateur observations, because there are way too many variable stars for professional astronomers to observe continuously. It does not take expensive equipment or a college degree. It's not for everyone--it requires patience--but it's edifying for anyone to watch stars change over time.