"I think the most interesting thing about this whole enterprise is that there are over 200 people who have already put down $20k deposits for tickets, with a final ticket price of $200k each - for a ride on in a vehicle of dubious safety (compared to a modern airline, anyway) that hasn't even been built yet! This seems to indicate that there is vast money to be made in the space tourism industry."
I make things for a niche industry, and there is always a big rush for the product, and then when the small market is quickly saturated, there is a huge drop off in sales. I'm going to guess the market for this is not as big as you think, and not nearly as easily sustainable.
I just need enough to be interested... the current trailers giving the plot, the story, the main action sequences, and the fricken ending are a bane.
Just a little setup, teases of the special effects maybe, action, or just the main problem the lead needs to overcome are enough for me. I'd rather get the plot in the theater.
While ledger did brilliantly, i was watching it thinking that this is exactly how I wanted the joker to be played, after seeing it done this way in Batman: Dead End brilliantly by Andrew Koenig.
Actually, if I remember it right, Lucius totally effed up. The accountant only said that he knew that Wayne Enterprises had created the Batmobile; he hadn't necessarily concluded that Wayne was Batman! Obviously the script doesn't realize this. Or maybe I heard it wrong. =====
I think you're forgetting that he is blackmailing WAYNE enterprises. It could be that he is referring to balckmailing bruce wayne, as he is wayne enterprises for the most part, not blackmailing batman directly. Batman is just associated with wayne via the car, but may take exception to having his sources compromised.
Wow, it was quite a long time ago, but latches I sell, normally used on carbon fiber race hoods I manufacture were donated to the OSU team to latch the top and bottom halves of the car together.
I just got a msg on the 26th that they were heading for their first race, but forgot to follow up on it... I see it's on it's way... but they may have had battery problems:(
What this article seems to overlook is that they DONT WANT new computers and new operating systems, new languages. They want older, stable, rpedictable, thoroughly vetted technologies.
They dont need a super computer to fly these, but what they do need os to know every quirk, every instability, and already have dealt with it so that NOTHING even remotely suprises them.
Thats why moving to C is a big step.
it may seem silly to us because we run all sorts of new stuff on our computers designed to run many things we may never use; These are VERY purpose built, need very little flexibility outside its designated purpose, and doesnt need to be overdone.
I may buy a PC system anticipating programs down the road that might be expanded, but for an aircraft, missiles, sattelites, even the space shuttle which runs EVRY old code, they just need it to do exactly what it needs too, and if that works fine with 256k, then thats what it will get, as long as its stable as all hell.
"Once again, "Someone is going to try to do something" is not a headline!"
Sure its a headline.
But, for you, when people are doing something huge, you apparently dont want to know till its done. Many news stories are worthy just that someone i undertaking the challenge, usually because of the scope of the challenge and implications. Some things take longer. Like USA decides to go to the moon was pretty big back in the day. That certainly is/was news to even try the feat. You seriously wouldn't be interested to know Iran is trying to build a nuke? Or do you just say "yawn, let me know when they have a nuke... its not news they are trying...".
Your ideal newspaper would read "2020: The USA successfully set up their base mars yesterday after 12 years of work on the project"?
I was told that the reason space craft run on very old perating systems is not because of the ideas you're thinking, but because old operating systems have basically no unknown quirks. They are having anything unknown pop out.
the actions the have to undertake are just fine on old tech, because OLD = PROVEN in alot of cases.
basically, its because the code is part of a space vehicle regulated by international arms and trafficking laws. That means Joe Blow doesnt get it.
Sorry dude, you're Joe Blow. Unless you're reading this from a JPL/NASA'ish sort of place. Then you're just smirking.
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FTA: Sort of on a different topic, I have a quote here. One of our editors talked to Frank Hecker from the Mozilla Foundation the other day.
Okay.
In that talk, he suggested that all software developed by the Federal Government should be released to the public domain or a very, very liberal open-source license. That's not even a copyleft license. Does the American public have any access to the source code currently on the Phoenix? Are there plans to make some of the source code available?
Well, no. There are no plans to make that available. And one of the issues that we have is that our spacecraft are designated as subject to international trafficking and arms regulations. So even --
Crypto regulations in exporting and such?
Yeah. Yeah. I mean even though these are not military spacecraft, the technology used in them is space technology. And so the State Department does not allow us to release anything that we've done in terms of technical details to foreign scrutiny. Now, in fact as I said, we have a team of Canadians. The Canadians delivered our meteorology instruments, and we had to be very careful about our relationship with them and how much we could disclose to them.
Really?
Yeah. Yeah.
I can see that in applying control software, but how about the payload software?
Even the payload software -- in this particular case, remember that the payload software operates within the confines of the RAD 6000 that contains the spacecraft software. And although the newer versions of real-time operating systems allow you to compartmentalize better, the older ones are just global name space. So there really wasn't any way to allow them to provide software for the MET instruments. So we had to define an interface and build the software at JPL, and then do our integration testing. And we worked closely with the Canadians in terms of the integration testing and making sure that the software was going to do what they needed it to do.
Right.
But we could not actually release the source code to them.
"Why can't people recognize that "God" is a metaphorical reference to the universe which science is dedicated to studying?"
I'd be all for an easy to use metaphor, but I don't think metaphors get worshipped all that often. So, since you're obviously onto something but GOD os already sort of soiled, lets go with TROGDOR as the metaphor name.
It's not already corrupted, has a ring to it, and has consumate V's.
I'm sure they thought it was a good idea, and sometimes good companies make bad moves.... I got AVG because leo laporte reccomended it, and dammit, i like leo.
But things change over time... is AVG still a good free AVG prog? And I dont mean just because of this controversy, they made good on it and responded. I mean the long haul.
Was reading wikipedia because I have no idea why this is important, but need to know enough to impress my friends (and by that I mean, alienate).
But I noticed this is such a big deal, theres a cool million waiting for the person that proves it. John Nash in "beautiful Mind" tries to prove this one too. Sorry gladiator... not today!
So yeah, Check it out, notice the offer at the end, after all the completely unintelligible mathematicrap:
Riemann hypothesis
The Riemann hypothesis (also called the Riemann zeta-hypothesis), first formulated by Bernhard Riemann in 1859, is one of the most famous and important unsolved problems in mathematics. It has been an open question for almost 150 years, despite attracting concentrated efforts from many outstanding mathematicians. Unlike some other celebrated problems, it is more attractive to professionals in the field than to amateurs.
The Riemann hypothesis (RH) is a conjecture about the distribution of the zeros of the Riemann zeta-function (s). The Riemann zeta-function is defined for all complex numbers s 1. It has zeros at the negative even integers (i.e. at s = 2, s = 4, s = 6,...). These are called the trivial zeros. The Riemann hypothesis is concerned with the non-trivial zeros, and states that:
The real part of any non-trivial zero of the Riemann zeta function is ½. Thus the non-trivial zeros should lie on the so-called critical line, ½ + it, where t is a real number and i is the imaginary unit. The Riemann zeta-function along the critical line is sometimes studied in terms of the Z-function, whose real zeros correspond to the zeros of the zeta-function on the critical line.
The Riemann hypothesis is one of the most important open problems of contemporary mathematics, mainly because a large number of deep and important other results have been proven under the condition that it holds. Most mathematicians believe the Riemann hypothesis to be true.[1] A $1,000,000 prize has been offered by the Clay Mathematics Institute for the first correct proof.[2]
...to NOT name your group on a torrent site something that allows information about structure to be gleaned.
Sure, uploaders may be only uploading only legal content blah blah blah, but there's no reason to publicize your role in the organization unless you can sure as hell sheild yourself while these lawsuits are bounding about.
Even the mob knows to call people "freinds of ours", not money launderers, assasins, gun runners etc. Please don't flame me because this is "security through obscurity".... because sometimes it works i.e, I still don't know where angelina jolie lives. Well played angelina, you hot little baby collector.
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There's a BIG difference bwteen holding it a few inches off the ground as a demonstration, and not being able to go a few inches off the ground.
Wait, are you the the old guy from the muppet show balcony?
"I think the most interesting thing about this whole enterprise is that there are over 200 people who have already put down $20k deposits for tickets, with a final ticket price of $200k each - for a ride on in a vehicle of dubious safety (compared to a modern airline, anyway) that hasn't even been built yet! This seems to indicate that there is vast money to be made in the space tourism industry."
I make things for a niche industry, and there is always a big rush for the product, and then when the small market is quickly saturated, there is a huge drop off in sales. I'm going to guess the market for this is not as big as you think, and not nearly as easily sustainable.
Wow, thats almost older than the earth!
But only with the people you dont want to talk too.
The same way text messages and IM's do... and that's pretty useful.
I just need enough to be interested... the current trailers giving the plot, the story, the main action sequences, and the fricken ending are a bane.
Just a little setup, teases of the special effects maybe, action, or just the main problem the lead needs to overcome are enough for me. I'd rather get the plot in the theater.
I dont know if anyone else felt this way.
While ledger did brilliantly, i was watching it thinking that this is exactly how I wanted the joker to be played, after seeing it done this way in Batman: Dead End brilliantly by Andrew Koenig.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjp0I_okX0w
If you're a batman fan, or an aliens fan, you've probably already seen this. He did great though.
Actually, if I remember it right, Lucius totally effed up. The accountant only said that he knew that Wayne Enterprises had created the Batmobile; he hadn't necessarily concluded that Wayne was Batman! Obviously the script doesn't realize this. Or maybe I heard it wrong.
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I think you're forgetting that he is blackmailing WAYNE enterprises. It could be that he is referring to balckmailing bruce wayne, as he is wayne enterprises for the most part, not blackmailing batman directly. Batman is just associated with wayne via the car, but may take exception to having his sources compromised.
Wow, it was quite a long time ago, but latches I sell, normally used on carbon fiber race hoods I manufacture were donated to the OSU team to latch the top and bottom halves of the car together.
If you are curious, it's these:
http://deftracing.com/aerocatch_hood_pins/index.htm
I just got a msg on the 26th that they were heading for their first race, but forgot to follow up on it... I see it's on it's way... but they may have had battery problems :(
here's the OSU blog with up to date info:
http://oregonstate.edu/groups/solar/
So, you're saying security through obscurity is working against you?
Damn that failed methodology :)
Sure, i want to be in a tank during a fire fight, but id much rather be in a -hidden- tank during a fire fight, even if it's temporary.
I assure you, that was pilot error.
now where do you live? GPS coordinates will be fine.
What this article seems to overlook is that they DONT WANT new computers and new operating systems, new languages. They want older, stable, rpedictable, thoroughly vetted technologies.
They dont need a super computer to fly these, but what they do need os to know every quirk, every instability, and already have dealt with it so that NOTHING even remotely suprises them.
Thats why moving to C is a big step.
it may seem silly to us because we run all sorts of new stuff on our computers designed to run many things we may never use; These are VERY purpose built, need very little flexibility outside its designated purpose, and doesnt need to be overdone.
I may buy a PC system anticipating programs down the road that might be expanded, but for an aircraft, missiles, sattelites, even the space shuttle which runs EVRY old code, they just need it to do exactly what it needs too, and if that works fine with 256k, then thats what it will get, as long as its stable as all hell.
"Once again, "Someone is going to try to do something" is not a headline!"
Sure its a headline.
But, for you, when people are doing something huge, you apparently dont want to know till its done. Many news stories are worthy just that someone i undertaking the challenge, usually because of the scope of the challenge and implications. Some things take longer. Like USA decides to go to the moon was pretty big back in the day. That certainly is/was news to even try the feat. You seriously wouldn't be interested to know Iran is trying to build a nuke? Or do you just say "yawn, let me know when they have a nuke... its not news they are trying...".
Your ideal newspaper would read "2020: The USA successfully set up their base mars yesterday after 12 years of work on the project"?
HE runs linux... not the spacecraft.
but thanks for the report on what he uses to send email and surf youtube. I was speaking about the spacecraft.
I was told that the reason space craft run on very old perating systems is not because of the ideas you're thinking, but because old operating systems have basically no unknown quirks. They are having anything unknown pop out.
the actions the have to undertake are just fine on old tech, because OLD = PROVEN in alot of cases.
But you didnt read the article, you were more just hoping for a slashdot linux rally cry or something, werent you.
But if someone crys in a dark basement creepily lit by a monitor, does anyone here it?
Damn, i guess I did.
basically, its because the code is part of a space vehicle regulated by international arms and trafficking laws. That means Joe Blow doesnt get it.
Sorry dude, you're Joe Blow. Unless you're reading this from a JPL/NASA'ish sort of place. Then you're just smirking.
===================
FTA:
Sort of on a different topic, I have a quote here. One of our editors talked to Frank Hecker from the Mozilla Foundation the other day.
Okay.
In that talk, he suggested that all software developed by the Federal Government should be released to the public domain or a very, very liberal open-source license. That's not even a copyleft license. Does the American public have any access to the source code currently on the Phoenix? Are there plans to make some of the source code available?
Well, no. There are no plans to make that available. And one of the issues that we have is that our spacecraft are designated as subject to international trafficking and arms regulations. So even --
Crypto regulations in exporting and such?
Yeah. Yeah. I mean even though these are not military spacecraft, the technology used in them is space technology. And so the State Department does not allow us to release anything that we've done in terms of technical details to foreign scrutiny. Now, in fact as I said, we have a team of Canadians. The Canadians delivered our meteorology instruments, and we had to be very careful about our relationship with them and how much we could disclose to them.
Really?
Yeah. Yeah.
I can see that in applying control software, but how about the payload software?
Even the payload software -- in this particular case, remember that the payload software operates within the confines of the RAD 6000 that contains the spacecraft software. And although the newer versions of real-time operating systems allow you to compartmentalize better, the older ones are just global name space. So there really wasn't any way to allow them to provide software for the MET instruments. So we had to define an interface and build the software at JPL, and then do our integration testing. And we worked closely with the Canadians in terms of the integration testing and making sure that the software was going to do what they needed it to do.
Right.
But we could not actually release the source code to them.
"Why can't people recognize that "God" is a metaphorical reference to the universe which science is dedicated to studying?"
I'd be all for an easy to use metaphor, but I don't think metaphors get worshipped all that often. So, since you're obviously onto something but GOD os already sort of soiled, lets go with TROGDOR as the metaphor name.
It's not already corrupted, has a ring to it, and has consumate V's.
all the people from LA.
last time I saw that sort of hopeful thinking it was kobe and people saying he didnt cheat on his wife. And he did. We all love our heros, dont we?
Well, heros are usually only good at the one thing they are touted for... im not asking kobe to fix my car for sure.
With all the smart people around here, why would anyone think that a computer programmer is any less suceptible to violent acts than any other?
I mean, is it just because computer geeks are well known as the most well adjusted people on the planet? :)
I use AVG... and was watching this.
I'm sure they thought it was a good idea, and sometimes good companies make bad moves.... I got AVG because leo laporte reccomended it, and dammit, i like leo.
But things change over time... is AVG still a good free AVG prog? And I dont mean just because of this controversy, they made good on it and responded. I mean the long haul.
Was reading wikipedia because I have no idea why this is important, but need to know enough to impress my friends (and by that I mean, alienate).
But I noticed this is such a big deal, theres a cool million waiting for the person that proves it. John Nash in "beautiful Mind" tries to prove this one too. Sorry gladiator... not today!
So yeah, Check it out, notice the offer at the end, after all the completely unintelligible mathematicrap:
Riemann hypothesis
The Riemann hypothesis (also called the Riemann zeta-hypothesis), first formulated by Bernhard Riemann in 1859, is one of the most famous and important unsolved problems in mathematics. It has been an open question for almost 150 years, despite attracting concentrated efforts from many outstanding mathematicians. Unlike some other celebrated problems, it is more attractive to professionals in the field than to amateurs.
The Riemann hypothesis (RH) is a conjecture about the distribution of the zeros of the Riemann zeta-function (s). The Riemann zeta-function is defined for all complex numbers s 1. It has zeros at the negative even integers (i.e. at s = 2, s = 4, s = 6, ...). These are called the trivial zeros. The Riemann hypothesis is concerned with the non-trivial zeros, and states that:
The real part of any non-trivial zero of the Riemann zeta function is ½.
Thus the non-trivial zeros should lie on the so-called critical line, ½ + it, where t is a real number and i is the imaginary unit. The Riemann zeta-function along the critical line is sometimes studied in terms of the Z-function, whose real zeros correspond to the zeros of the zeta-function on the critical line.
The Riemann hypothesis is one of the most important open problems of contemporary mathematics, mainly because a large number of deep and important other results have been proven under the condition that it holds. Most mathematicians believe the Riemann hypothesis to be true.[1] A $1,000,000 prize has been offered by the Clay Mathematics Institute for the first correct proof.[2]
I just said it worked for me... not for those with likely a pre-exsiting restraining order. For people like you, she has real guards as well.
maybe everyone should just have the title "ascii art guy".
that'll show em.
...to NOT name your group on a torrent site something that allows information about structure to be gleaned.
Sure, uploaders may be only uploading only legal content blah blah blah, but there's no reason to publicize your role in the organization unless you can sure as hell sheild yourself while these lawsuits are bounding about.
Even the mob knows to call people "freinds of ours", not money launderers, assasins, gun runners etc. Please don't flame me because this is "security through obscurity".... because sometimes it works i.e, I still don't know where angelina jolie lives. Well played angelina, you hot little baby collector.
In other news, I'll go ahead and try to figure out of it's 6 or six.
Is to figure out if it's six or 7.... article says 7, summary says 6.